Saturday, December 7, 2013

If Patty Was a Costume, Why Can't They Recreate It?


When Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin filmed the Bigfoot walking across the sandbar back 1967, little did they know that their film would be scrutinized by skeptics trying to debunk it. To this day, no one has been able to duplicate the creature they caught on film. The BFRO gives us an example of one colossal failed attempt by a TV network to recreate the "costume":

Q: Why can't it be done? Why can't anyone accurately recreate the "costume" used in the Patterson footage?

A: It's not a man in a costume ...

The image on the right is from a scene in an episode of X-Creatures. X-Creatures was a wildlife documentary series made by the BBC's (British Broadcasting Corporation) Natural History Unit. The episode was filmed around 1995 or later.

In this program the BBC sought to debunk the Patterson footage by recreating the "hoax."

In order to have the most exacting re-enactment possible, the BBC hired the best monster costume designer in Hollywood and even took the costume to the same location where the Patterson incident occurred in Northern California.

How could the BBC have missed the mark so badly with their replica of the Patterson "costume"?

In the Patterson footage, the figure's muscles are flexing noticeably as the figure walks away. To simulate that, the BBC's costume designers in Hollywood had to create a costume that would show the same effect of flexing muscles.

Remote controlled soft-tissue prosthetics were not invented until well after 1967, so they could not be used in an honest replica of a 1967 costume. The costume had to allow the actor's own muscles to flex the outermost surface of the costume.

247 comments:

  1. Regardless if the film is real or not, more evidence is needed.

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    1. They both look like piece of shit costumes. Next.

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    2. anon 9:29,

      But you get Shawn's meaning, right? It it's a costume - prove it, show it, repeat it.

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    3. Who cares about some suit or video, give me the damn Squatch!

      Until the Squatch is laying on a slab of cold table, it doesn't exist.

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  2. Sweet 150 plus posts of joe say nothing. this should suck.

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    1. Just ignore it. Don't even acknowledge his posts.

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    2. I'll ignore yours skeptard.

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    3. Agreed. He brings absolutely nothing new to any conversation.

      His cutting and pasting should all be deleted by the mod. He shoulld only post a LINK, so the source can be verified.

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    4. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

      Sir Winston Churchill

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    5. Ignore Joe Fitzgerald's posts. Your life will be better.

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    7. Will Big Ginger please just ban this spammer already, pretty please? A week ban for every copy and paste in this thread alone will add up to a couple months.

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    8. WAS ALL OF JOE'S GARBAGE JUST DELETED?


      Thank you Sir! The world is a much, much brighter and happier place.

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    9. Please, for the love of all that is good and decent in this world, will Shawn or Ginger BAN JOE. A week sentence for each copypaste spam in this thread.

      It's so obnoxious and petty, no amount of reasoning will solve it, everyone has asked nicely.

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    10. I think PJ needs to go to Squatchaholics Anonymous.

      "My name is PJ and I'm a Squatchaholic"
      "Hi, PJ"

      YGNALI

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    11. Well, we're at 200 now, at least 130 of them are Joe, 15 of those are copy pastes...

      Still nothing new reported.

      Ban Joe Fitzgerald for constant spamming.

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    1. The hallmark of a true researcher.

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    2. Mr. President, please, by executive order, ban Joe from Trollandia.

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  4. If Patty was a costume?yeah like Daniels really Santa,i don't think so lol xx

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  5. Let's get some facts straight here, yes it was a show made by the BBC but it was a half hour Wednesday night filler show with a very modest budget. Also, they didn't hire "the best costume designers in Hollywood" that's just bullshit and if they had then it would have cost them probably more than the budget for the whole series. Rick Baker isn't cheap guys and out of the budget of a fluff time slot filler.

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    1. (Sigh)

      Oh, I'm gonna have some fun with this one...

      Hackam was the best & biggest children's entertainer on TV at the time, employed to help children sleep easier at night (telling that Tardists should jump all over this eh?)... I seriously doubt that he was handed a modest budget. Furthermore, and this is classic... By all the Skeptical Tardist's version; Patterson was broke and requiring a 'big money making hoax'... You shouldn't require a big Hollywood costume designer, you should be able to knock a Patty suit in your garage??

      Oh dear... The schooling continues from yesterday it seems...

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    2. Not to mention every SFX designer worth a damn has concluded it was a suit. Only disgraced Bill Munns thinks it's real.

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    3. And what experts against Munns would they be exactly?

      Rick Baker - 'rumoured' to have made the costume (while he was 17) as he was 'apparently' working on movies at the time, whilst none of his representatives are willing to comment and verify those claims.
      Howard Berger - merely claimed that he heard that the PG film was a 'gag' and has yet to comment on why he thinks it's a suit and compares the PG creature to Harry and the Henderson's as 'proof' it's fake.
      Dave Kindlon - claims he 'overheard' PG was fake from Rick Baker - again, full of claims and rumors and speculates it's fake as opposed to offering any explanation why it's a 'suit'
      Verne Langdon - claims that 'the suit was advanced for the day' (opinionated I believe and again not offering an explanation how the suit was made)

      ... the list of these experts goes on with them all turning out to be close associates and none of them offering an explanation as to how the 'suit' was made... casting their opinion like all lazy uninterested-where-it-counts skeptics. Whereas, Bill Munns DOES actually look into the possibility of a suit being made and can't for the life of him replicate it & neither able to fit the dimensions of a human in it.

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    4. Once again Joe is talking shit without checking his facts sigh... Chris Packham at the time was no longer a children's tv presenter, he'd left the Really Wild Show 4 years previous in '95 and yes it was clearly very modestly budgeted you can tell by watching it for christsakes! Also the thing that idiots like Joe forget (or don't care to look into) is that Packham isn't just a tv presenter but has a degree in Zoology and only left his PhD studies because he decided he'd rather become a wildlife cameraman and still is a respected wildlife photographer today. He's been a naturalist since he was a kid and devoted bout 40 plus years of his life to studying wildlife and uneducated footers call this guy a hack??? Joe you're a moron and Dan you're right about most professionals thinking it's a suit and Munns is a hack for sure.

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    5. Oh and Rick Baker was never rumoured to have made the suit but he is rumoured to have started the John Chambers rumours so for the millionth time Joe get your facts straight

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    6. As much as i like Chris Packham having a degree in zoology dosen't mean he's right about bigfoot and his attempt at recreating Patty was the worst effort ever xx

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    7. Yeah, I've never heard of Rick Baker making the suit, only how he watched it thoroughly before and while making Harry.

      I've always heard John Chambers myself.

      Looks like a modified Gemora suit to me, complete with the big ol' diaper butt.

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    8. 'Left his PHD studies'... Hmmmmm, I don't see him on television anymore either? No, sorry... He tried his best and even had to edit a telephone call to Bob Gimlin in a sad effort to claw back some dignity after his BBC budget made him look like a clown. You can cry about it all you like, it's just another example of your attempts causing you to fall flat on your faces.

      Nope, I hear all you Tards use Rick Baker all the time and it makes me scream laughing, none of your experts have studied this 'suit' of yours and you are left totally, utterly schooled by your own logic.

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    9. No one is crying over anything, not everyone believes Patty is real, that's all.

      No reason to call people tards just because they don't believe everything you do.

      Don't be so presumptuous please.

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    10. Gemora suit!!

      Scraping the bottom of there Daniel. Ha ha ha!!

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    11. Rick Baker studied it whilst making the Harry suit along with Howard Berger who said it looked like a shitty fun fur suit. Packham is still on TV Joe on BBC doing Springwatch, Autumnwatch, Winterwatch and specials like the excellent Burrowers series from Easter this year. When he isn't doing these shows he's working with animal conservation groups or his main hobby of photography. This guy's forgotten more bout animals than you'll ever know think biology and knowledge of film an tv is something you're deeply lacking in knowledge on Joe. Always best to keep yer gob shut on things you know little about

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    12. I think you'll find the only ones crying are the ones frequenting a Bigfoot blog preaching that their biggest obstacle is a suit... Without proving their claims.

      BOO HOO - SCHOOLED!

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    13. Yet Packham didn't see through his PHD? Hmmmmm, suspect.

      Look, it's pretty simple, I'm not the one doing acrobats around facts. Packham failed, edited a phone call.

      Got monkey suit? No?? Go cry about it on a ghost blog.

      Ha ha ha ha ha!!

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    14. "Packham knows what he's talking about Joe! Even if he failed miserably on a BBC budget and had to edit a phone call to prop up his propaganda and isn't as qualified as 95% of the other experts in his field! Packham the Hack knows!!!"

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    15. "Anything but explain the actual footage Joe! You're always right Joe... It's not that I can't back up my claims with anything other than hearsay, rumors and lies!"

      (Sigh)

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    16. Matt Moneymaker never saw his law degree through the whole way either, does that discredit every single thing he's ever done?

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    17. Chris Packham can't possibly know anything about bigfoot according to some because he lives on the wrong side of the pond xx

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    18. Hmmm, if Matt made major judgements in the field of law and then had to resort to propaganda; then it would yes.

      We're talking about Bigfoot here old boy.

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    19. Not really suspect he decided that he wanted to pursue camera work instead! He's still the guy that everyone looks to for a comment on anything to do with conservation and nature and also still busy on the BBC. If anything was edited it wasn't by Packham if you knew anything bout tv shows you'd know they have directors that produce the final product so they'd be the ones doing that. As for the suit, there were hundreds of ape suits in Hollywood at the time all on racks at studios or even in private collections of make up artists. The Charlie Gemora style suit was probably spot on with water bags in the right places which Gemora came up with back in the 30s. The whole got suit argument doesn't work as footers are making the extraordinary claim here where's a real body or any good footage since 67?

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    20. Packham believes in Orangpendek so you can't call him close minded either

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    21. Why does he believe in one but not the other? xx

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    22. Because a 3 foot primate in the deep jungle, much of it protected for tiger conservation is statistically much more plausible than a 9ft 800lb part human running around Ohio and Maine.

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    23. ^ Only because he wants to get jiggy with a certain UK prof...

      50 years on and the skeptically minded are still clinging on to water bags and faint possibilities.

      And I thought these guys operated strictly under rules of fact and science.

      MMG

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    24. If there was any real physical evidence of bigfoot, you folks could actually talk about something other than an 8mm film from 46 years ago.

      If only.

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    25. And the fact is 50 years on and no type specimen or any footage of good quality and only Meldrum to speak out in favour of it

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    26. Ok then, so if Packham now wasn't responsible for this blundering mess, why preach him here?! Acrobats? It's pretty obvious the entire phone call interview was edited, because you don't hear the entire exchange... You do not hear Gimlin explain himself as well as he probably would have liked and from this snippet of an interview, Packham focuses on a small statement, a rational reflectance on Bob's part (to which anyone would in thinking over an incident so life changing and profound time and time again)... And twists that as his main reason to denounce the footage as a hoax. Implying further that Gimlin has let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Gimlin's statement, to anyone who is impartial, would suggest merely he has nothing to hide and like he said... It would have been a pretty risky prank considering he had a rifle loaded and pointed at Patty. I have also worked in editing and know how easy it is the manipulate the viewer.

      The Gemora suit is pretty desperate, and if there was an as abundance of these suits in supply, why can't you show me one? You're digging your home bigger by the comment.

      There is a massive requiremt for you to back up your claim, because if you can't, our claim that Patty is real stands up, especially when we have a costume expert of 30 years batting our corner.

      Extraordinary claims require expert backed opinion... Munns is your nightmare and I am the vehicle that transmits the pain. Your biological evidence is in the Smithsonian by the way, give me an inquiry and tell me I said 'hi'!

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    27. Hey Daniel, you mean like the fact that a buddy and I saw one stand up in the road and take two steps and then jump off what was effectively a cliff. Is that what you mean.

      I saw one. What proof do you have that prooves you know shit from wild honey!

      You couldn't be more irrelevent!

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    28. An anecdote doesn't validate a species, TBP.

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    29. Claiming Patty is a real living creature is equally as moot as claiming it's a suit.

      46 years since filming, zero bigfeet substantiated.

      46 years since filming, no legitimate suit is present.

      Only a fool clings to such things with hope. It may as well not exist because with a lack of type specimen and a lack of a suit, an 8mm minute long film clip is not the smoking gun you wish.

      PGF is moot. Anything else WORTH talking about?

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    30. Claiming Patty is a real organic creature when you have an expert applying his trade to which has not been countered, is significant because he should be in your camp. This is how debates are won and lost, Especially because in 46 years years you have tens of thousands of of accounts, much of which are multiple person and who are also just the too of the iceberg. You have a matching specimen in the Russian Yeti and you have a further accumulation of the abundance of other sources of evidence to back up the footage and make it legitimate.

      If you cannot provide a suit in 46 years, baring in mind the materials for such a suit would not have even been available in the late 60's... Then to merely state that there has been no Bigfoot specimen since, post industrial revolution, and when the country is covered in wilderness the way it is (leaving them with a considerable space to conceal these remains), we're back to the debate of cover ups, to which there is so much evidence for.

      Let's not go down that road, I've cooked your heads way too often for you to cope any longer.

      Got monkey suit?

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    31. I'm not preaching anything bout Packham I just respect the guy for his body of work and his commitment to natural history and acknowledge the fact that he knows what he's talking about. As for his education just google it, he achieved 12 O levels some he did in only a year and in biology he passed getting 98%. He got A levels in biology, chemistry, maths and maths with statistics but failed art as his punk rock art pieces were not appreciated back in the mid 70s. He got a 2.1 from Southampton University in Zoology which he chose to go to as it didn't interfere with the work he was doing for the Nature Conservancy Council in the New Forest studying badgers. He was pissed as he despite getting mostly As and giving a lecture at Oxford he didn't get a first (only one person got a first in his department that year) and so didn't go an collect his degree. So he's pretty qualified to comment on animal biology and his opinion on the existence of Bigfoot is based on this vast knowledge of natural history.
      Bill Munns is no expert in the field of SFX or costume design look up William Munns on IMDB and see his film credits! His last makeup department credit was for Return of the Living Dead in 1985 which he was fired from for making a shitty headless man suit! That's fired from his most high profile job for making a shitty suit! I repeat fired from his most high profile film job in the mid 80s(!) for making a bad costume! It's documented on the excellent 90 min making of documentary on the bluray of Return of the Living Dead which does also include recent interview footage with Munns so it's not one sided against him. Even the Squatcher's Lounge podcast with SFX artist and Bigfoot suit maker Doug Hudson about the fake Ericson footage Doug says he disagrees with Munns over the claim about Patty's head size and also comments that there were suits like Patty's around at the time but would have been out of Patterson's price range.

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    32. Oh, untill you find a real body you're not schooling anyone Joe and didn't Bandini say his wife's an anthropologist and has had access to the Smithsonian and not seen any of the bones you claim are there?

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    33. I'd like to know why everything has to be an argument or a debate, it seems someone can't accept the fact people have differing viewpoints and must get his kicks on berating passerby's from his stoop.

      "WHY WON'T YOU DEBATE ME???rawr"

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    34. It dosen't have to be an argument,i believe in bigfoot ,some people don't but i don't mind xx

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    35. If there were suits like Patty where are they,why has nobody ever been able to reproduce the Patty footage? xx

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    36. Maybe not to you but it does to someone else posting above. Can't make a single post without calling people tards and crying about why people won't debate him.

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    37. http://www.billmunnscreaturegallery.com/bmcgsite_036.htm

      Heres's Bill's resume... Now don't make me post large extracts from it and make you look silly. It might be news to you, but Bill Munns was denied the sufficient funds during the making of that film and in a business that is notoriously opinionated and competitive, I think getting fired once in 30 years is a pretty good return?

      As for Packham... You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself. For all his elaborate qualifications (no PHD by the way), he should be able to have put the PGF to bed without the requirement of Goebbels type editing and a ridiculously bad monkey suit that probably had the producers of his show wondering what happened. I respect Packham, I'm sure if be able to have a great chat about The Buzzcocks and The Stranglers with him... But using him to debunk Patty is desperate old boy, as is suggesting that Bill Munns' isn't qualified to comment on Patty.

      Here's that resume again; just for good measure...

      http://www.billmunnscreaturegallery.com/bmcgsite_036.htm

      Now... Got monkey suit?

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    38. Why should anyone even try in the long run? Even if every participant in the hoax stepped forward with the original suit, telling step for step how it was done there would still be people like Joe who wouldn't accept it. Munns even stated that.

      The only people clamoring about the film are fringe to start with and the only people within that group who hoorah about a faithful reproduction are even more fringe than the fringe.

      No one in their right mind would attempt it because it doesn't matter.

      It truly doesn't matter.

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    39. 4:32... Man up and stop crying about it, take a look at the abuse posted on here from tour theory group from time to time.

      4:20... Do you understand how many miles worth of storage the Smithsonian has? The people working there probably don't know what's locked away there, especially when most of the remains were discovered during the industrial revolution.

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    40. I would say the main reason why no body has been able to replicate the PGF is because no one's paid them to do it! If you want a good special effects artist to create something they're gonna want to be paid, it's their job! If Patty was a costume it could be anywhere as it was most likely a loaner from someone and could be in a land fill in Burbank, a dusty dank corner of a film studio warehouse if it's in storage without the mask or feet who would recognise it? Plus, if Gimlin did have a loaded gun on Patty he had already agreed with Patterson that he would shoot, strange that Patterson would ask that right?

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    41. You're always right. Even when you're wrong, you're always right.

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    42. Footers need a new spokesman on this blog! Joe is constantly getting schooled and has turned in to a baby as a result. Someone else, please step up!!

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    43. 4:48... Bro, you're missing the point. If what the reports suggest of Patterson from the skeptical side of the argument are true (that he was broke and needed money, hence the hoax), then this should have been replicated in someone's shed with very basic materials, materials that were only available in the late 60's... Which brings me to your second point. The BBC had this money at their disposal.

      I'm not buying this crap that Packham wouldn't have had the budget, my best friend is a BBC producer and I know for a fact the amounts of money that are thrown around in production.

      Your last point I couldn't make out, but you only have to ask yourself that if Patterson was hoaxing Bob, it would have been extremely dangerous considering Bob had a loaded weapon.

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    44. 4:57...

      Look at the people crying on this blog page and see from what their group they are from. I'm having the time of my life, sitting back watching them hit every other avenue except explains how a suit that can defy 45 years of technology could be made by a broke cowboy.

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    45. First of all Bill Munns wasn't denied funds he was given a budget to work with the same budget that his successor was given who was not an SFX artist but someone in the production design team and whose work was a lot better than Munns. Munns got fired for not being good enough end of it's all documented including his shitty work. If Munns had spent the past 30 years actively working in movie SFX not making animatronics for theme parks or doing computer design work then I would listen. Truth is plain and simple that Munns was shit at SFX, he had no talent and it is a huge thing to be fired mid-production from a film so dependent on FX work that's why he's remembered! Dan O Bannon was making a huge gamble in firing him that could have resulted in the movie not being finished and millions of dollars being pissed away! Luckily, he was easily replaced by someone with less experience and more talent and one of the best zombie movies ever was the result, winner.
      Bill Munns is not qualified to comment on Patty, he has not got the talent or the experience in makeup effects, he is qualified to give an opinion on taxidermy with his award and all. I'm sure Rick Baker would swap an Oscar or two for a taxidermy award. I'd say a biologist with any degree would be more qualified than a failed makeup artist telling footers what they want to hear. You should Packham in Springwatch just for the game he plays in hiding song titles in his monologues, this year was the Clash my favourite

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    46. Sounds pathetic if that's the time of your life.

      I'm glad you care about old motion captures so much.

      Ever think about postin in the PGF section of BFF and in the Bill Munns thread? You could really lose yourself in there.

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    47. Here we go... You asked for it...

      Bill Munns -

      "
      Beginning with a few basics, I was born in Los Angeles, in 1948 and grew up in the San Fernando Valley. I attended Hollywood High, and got my first taste of filmmaking in my senior year, when I made a Super 8 film satire of the Teen Dance Shows popular on TV at the time. I then went on to Los Angeles Valley College, taking courses in theater arts and filmmaking.

      I learned the basics of theater makeup there, as well as all general film skills (camera, lighting, editing, etc), and then I took an Advanced Stage Makeup course offered by Mike Westmore. The instruction included making prosthetics. During that class, Mike announced that there was an opening at Universal Studios, for a makeup artist for the Studio Tour, and I applied and was accepted.Thus began my career as makeup artist at Universal Studios, 1969, doing the Makeup Show.

      I continued experimenting with prosthetic makeups, and did Freelance Prosthetic Makeup work creating prosthetics for the Blackenstein monster in the movie “Blackenstein” 1970
      I worked on the ABC TV "Lil Abner" special, doing appliance makeups. Also did "Dating Game", "Newlywed Game", "Lawrence Welk Show" and 11O'Clock newscasters makeups.

      Some independent features I worked on included:Timber Tramp, Snatch, Richard Petty Story, and a Purina Catfood Commercial.

      I started teaching makeup in 1971 and promoted to director and supervising instructor of Elegance International, the first professional makeup artist school. I was the director from 1973 to 1979. I taught salon, theater, film makeup, prosthetics, and high fashion.

      1980 returned to private practice as makeup/prosthetics artist.

      My film credits in the 80’s include:
      Doc R&D
      Savage Harvest
      The Boogins (a minor horror cult classic)
      Dead and Buried
      Swamp Thing (first one)
      Brainstorm
      Witch
      Beastmaster (first one)
      New Kids
      Quest for Fire
      Better Off Dead
      No Man's Land
      Return of the Living Dead
      Where the Boys are 1984 (custom “love doll” called inflatable Dave)
      Baby
      Blind Date (Mechanically animated erotic sculptures for art gallery scene)
      Micki & Maude (custom props)
      The Man who Loved Women (dog stunt double)
      Heaven and Earth (Dian Fossey Bio) prototype work only, on making real chimpanzees look like gorillas. My work isn’t in the actual film, but it’s impressive experience none the less.
      ABC TV show Orang Suit
      1985 - Alchemy 2, working with Ken Forsee, inventor of the Teddy Ruxpin doll, for the ABC TV special on Teddy that Ken’s company produced. I was a foam latex suit specialist among the costume fabrication crew.
      1987 - The Munsters Today - prosthetic designer and key makeup/wig designer on the pilot episode and first show of the series.
      AST Computers - parody of 2001 Dawn of man sequence, with me designing five ape suits and servo motor animation of heads for facial expressions.
      Kraft Macaroni & Cheese “Alice in Wonderland” parody (I did the prosthetics for the Mad Hatter character, faithful to the Tenniel illustrations).
      Goolab Toys aliens
      Gold Elephant
      What Waits Below
      Hugga Bunch
      Three Breasted Chicken
      Quest for Burger
      Chevy Metamorphous
      Foam Latex Puppet Fabricator - working for puppeteer Tony Urbano, molding and casting foam latex puppet heads for numerous jobs for him over 15 years."

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    48. I resumed teaching makeup part time at a vocational school called "Learning Tree", where I started courses on makeup and prosthetics from 1987 to 1994

      Transition to Other Media - Having grown weary of doing zombies and swamp monsters, desiring to prove my skills were up to the challenge of excellence and realism, I started creating superbly realistic wildlife sculptures of full scale animal figures and museum quality prehistoric human ancestor models. In 1988, I took the “Best in World Recreation” award at the world taxidermy championships (and won again in 1992).

      1998 Started working at Creative Presentations, Inc, Valencia CA, hired to help them develop a capability to enter the museum market and compete with Dinamation and Kokoro. While there, I designed, sculpted and figure finished a Gigantopithecus figure as a museum showcase figure (and photos of me beside it now populate many Bigfoot websites), was project manager on the LA County Natural History Museum Bird exhibit, was designing sculptor and project manager on the T Rex for Knotts Kingdom of the Dinosaurs upgrade. I was designer of a realistic bald eagle figure for an Indian Heritage Visitor Center in Vancouver, worked on an ET stroller costume for Universal Studios (that later got replaced with an animatronic figure), and oversaw the refitting of the Gigantopithecus figure into a “Bigfoot” figure for the IAAPA trade show in 1989.

      I was promoted to VP (one of four) in 1989, when John March moved up to President and Gene Bullard moved up to Chairman. I left CPI in August 1990 to resume my career as independent artist.

      1991 Commissioned by the French National Museum of Natural History to create two animatronic models of Archaeopteryx, for their renovation of the Grand Gallerie of Zoology.

      1992 - returned to CPI as freelance artist for the Fuji/San Rio dinosaur show, sculpting the 23’ Tarchia dinosaur.

      1992 - returned to World Taxidermy Competitions to take home my second “Best In World Recreation” award.

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    49. During this year I also teamed up with the San Diego Museum of Man to create a joint venture exhibit “Faces on Fossils” , that showed both the evolution of humans and how the appearance of these ancestral forms is created. It debuted in San Diego successfully, and then went on a five year exhibit rental tour across America. The figures I created are now part of a permanent installation at that museum.

      1993 - Started working at AVG as contract sculptor and figure finisher, doing numerous tigers for a theme park job of theirs, and then helping them get the bid for the 1993 Fuji/San Rio dinosaur show. I was AVG project manager as well as figure designer, lead sculptor and figure finishing lead.

      While there, I also helped sculpt and design the 65’ dragon for the Excallibur Hotel in Las Vegas.

      While working at AVG, one of my innovations in molding technology so impressed Alvaro Villa that he applied for a patent for the technology, with me principle inventor. As I understand, a sudden lack of business and revenues about that time caused him to “tighten the belt” and cut non-essential costs, and the patent attorney fees were non essential, so the application was suspended.

      AVG hired me as animatronic skin technician and sent me to Taiwan (with two mechanical technicians) to help open a dinosaur exhibit based on both the 1992 Fuji/San Rio dinosaur exhibit (that CPI did) and the 1993 exhibit AVG did. I was the only person who had worked on both parts, and was invaluable in all the visual repairs (the exhibits had been in storage containers for several years) as well as the general assembly of the larger elements and creatures (including a 45’ sauropod).


      In 1993 and 1994, I received a contract to outfit a new Archaeological Theme Park in Holland (Archeon, in the town of Alphen Rhine) with a full set of prehistoric wildlife figures showing the evolution of life first in the sea, then on land, and finally human evolution. Sadly, this enterprise never reached profitability, and closed a few years later.

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    50. Other museum projects included;
      Chimps for Educational exhibit, Japan
      A commission for a Natural History Museum in Kyoto, Japan was for creating three prehistoric cats, the small Dinictus, the classic Saber-Toothed Cat, and the giant Cave Lion.
      Potomac Museum Group Mammoths
      A commission for the Tokyo Broadcasting Commission and the World T Rex Expo was for showing the evolution of flight with three figures, the small dinosaur Compsognathus, the proto bird Archaeopteryx, and finally a modern Peregrine Falcon.
      A commission for the Ashland Oregon Museum of Natural History was for two bald eagles.
      Gorilla Rentals - Buddy, Disney animation, San Bernardino Museum, Maryland Museum
      Film industry work in the mid 90’s included an animatronic bear for a Hostess Twinkie commercial,
      Extensive makeup, wigs and prosthetics for the TBS TV series “The Chimp Channel”.
      Working with Animal Makers in 1996 and 1997, I created chimpanzee figures for the HBO Jane Goodall promo spot that won a Cleo, green wing macaws for a Texaco commercial, a bald eagle for a Anhiser Busch commercial, and some dog prosthetics for a Pepsi commercial.

      1997 I went digital, beginning my work in computer graphics.

      My work with Bryce was so unique that MetaCreations (Bryce’s developer) hired me to create graphics for a product promotional campaign, “Bryce, the Eighth Wonder of the World (Because with it, you can create the other Seven)!” With that commission, I created all seven ancient wonders of the world using only the Bryce software, nothing else. 1998-1999

      2000 Computer Graphics World magazine ran a four page portfolio of my Seven Wonders artwork. Then in 2002, in their 25 year retrospective of milestones in computer graphics, my portfolio of work was recognized as one such milestone.

      2000-2001 - Hired by Jester.com to create VRML scenes of the Great Pyramids, the Lighthouse of Alexandria, an NFL stadium, and the Great Wall of China where website visitors could move through the scene while chatting with others online. I used 3D Studio Max, exporting my files to VRML 1 formats for Jester to use. Like many internet ventures, this one folded a while back."

      ... Somebody claim Munns wasn't 'qualified to comment on Patty'?

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    51. List of famous people who were fired at one stage...

      Henry Ford
      R. H. Macy
      F. W. Woolworth
      Soichiro Honda
      Akio Morita (Sony)
      Bill Gates
      Harland David Sanders (KFC)
      Walt Disney
      Albert Einstein
      Charles Darwin
      Robert Goddard (rocket researcher)
      Isaac Newton
      Socrates
      Robert Sternberg (President of APA)
      Thomas Edison
      Orville and Wilbur Wright
      Winston Churchill
      Abraham Lincoln
      Oprah Winfrey
      Harry S. Truman
      Dick Cheney
      Jerry Seinfeld
      Fred Astaire
      Sidney Poitier
      Jeanne Moreau (actress)
      Charlie Chaplin
      Lucille Ball
      Harrison Ford
      Marilyn Monroe
      Oliver Stone
      Vincent Van Gogh
      Emily Dickinson
      Theodore Seuss Giesel (Dr. Seuss)
      Charles Schulz
      Steven Spielberg
      Stephen King
      Zane Grey
      J. K. Rowling
      Monet
      Jack London
      Louisa May Alcott
      Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
      Elvis Presley
      Ludwig van Beethoven
      Igor Stravinsky
      The Beatles
      Michael Jordan
      Stan Smith
      Babe Ruth
      Tom Landry

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    52. ... And look how many experts their are in that list.

      Peace.

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    53. Only Bill Munns says it couldn't be made in 67 so that technology argument is based on what you think of Munns, I think he's a hack. It was risky as Gimlin was armed but Patterson strangely got him to aware he wouldn't shoot, why if it was real it'd be worth a fortune dead wouldn't it?
      I'm not saying two Brokeback Mountain boys made it in their garage, what I am suggesting is that it could have been leant or hired to them

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    54. Please stop spamming up this place with barrages of copy + pastes.

      A simple link to the material will suffice.

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    55. Joe, he's not qualified, he couldn't cut it in SFX because he's untalented and only having actually worked in the movie business for a short time which ended with being fired for making a shitty suit. How many of those people were fired for a from a career they claim to be experts in and how many were fired from other jobs?

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    56. Michael Jordan was fired from summer job in high school, therefore bigfoot exists.

      Solid logic.

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    57. He can't debate without trying to cut and paste his opponent into angry submission especially when they prove he's full of shit

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    58. reference
      ˈrɛf(ə)r(ə)ns/
      noun
      noun: reference; plural noun: references
      1.
      the action of mentioning or alluding to something.
      "he made reference to the enormous power of the mass media"
      synonyms: mention of, allusion to, comment on, remark about; More
      a mention or citation of a source of information in a book or article.
      "each chapter should have references to books covering the subject in greater depth"
      a source of information cited in a book or article.
      synonyms: source, information source, citation, authority, credit; More
      2.
      the use of a source of information in order to ascertain something.
      "popular works of reference"
      the sending of a matter to an authority for decision or consideration.
      "the publishers reprinted and sold the work without reference to the author"
      synonyms: referral, transfer, passing on, handover, direction, remission More
      3.
      a letter from a previous employer testifying to someone's ability or reliability, used when applying for a new job.
      "I was dismissed from the library, but with a good reference"
      synonyms: testimonial, character reference, recommendation, good word, backing; More
      verb
      verb: reference; 3rd person present: references; past tense: referenced; past participle: referenced; gerund or present participle: referencing
      1.
      provide (a book or article) with citations of sources of information.
      "each chapter is referenced, citing literature up to 1990"
      2.
      mention or refer to.
      "the media referenced our association in almost 40 articles"

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    59. Let me explain something to you... If you are gonna repeatedly ignore facts and references and maintain lies, then for the sake of debate; I will use them here where there are no rules to say you can't.

      I'm pretty much bored now, so. See ya later all!

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    60. Please stop spamming your copy + pastes.

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    61. Just read through this whole conversation, skipping all of Joe's posts. It was really nice. I feel like I just had a big nasty wart removed.

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    62. Joe the problem is the things you cut and paste on here are tall stories of finding giant skeletons and newspaper stories and a failed SFX artist's resume and conspiracy theories! When you have any evidence to back any of this up with we'd love to see it instead you'll just spew drivel about government cover ups and the evil Smithsonian hiding the truth from us.

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    63. Resume's that detail the 30 year professional career of a costume expert you deny; are not tall tales.

      Archeological and anthropological studies that have been documented by major institutions and universities; are not tall tales.

      You'd be quick enough to deny claims based on my opinion, it's a behaviour trait of your theory group that now that I should back up my claims with reliable sources, that you should call them mere tall tails.

      No taller tail than a monkey suit so elusive it can't be replicated after 46 years.

      Sorry to have ruined your day.

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    64. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

      Sir Winston Churchill

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    65. To be a costume expert he'd have to work in the film industry and he hasn't since the mid 80s Joe at some point the rational thing would be to go "I was wrong bout him" and move on to find another "expert"

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    66. Munns is an expert... Sorry bro, deny it all you like, you got schooled.

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    67. Anyone who makes extraordinary claims should have extraordinary evidence to back it up Joe and you don't have anything concrete, where are these giant bodies, proof of a government conspiracy, good unquestionable footage, audio that doesn't sound like a guy making crazy noises or a pair of porcupines, DNA that hasn't been refuted, a good photo, anything ???

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    68. You're not schooling anyone just looking silly

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    69. Hello, I'm in search of an expert attorney to handle my personal injury case. Since it's 2014, I'm going to look for someone who was fired from their only high profile case mid-trial in 1984 because that is the sure sign of a winner. This lawyer must not have worked a case since 1984, although occasional taxidermy awards do not hurt. I will ignore everybody else, including every active lawyer in the business whom are recognized by critics and peers as being the cream of the crop....

      See how idiotic that sounds? Replace lawyer with SFX artist and that's Bill Munns.

      Sorry but he's not an expert.

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    70. Been trying this all day anon 7:53 he won't accept it, he's lost the plot

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    71. An extraordinary claim like Bigfoot.

      Evidence? Footage.

      Verification? Costume expert.

      Counter claims?

      Counter claims?

      Counter claims? He's not an expert, he's been sacked once in a 30 year career!

      See how idiotic that sounds? Bill Munns is an expert, and not you, not anyone here is qualified to sell anything otherwise.

      Funny you should bring up law; there's also court cases where murderers have been convicted without a body. Type in 'April Jones of Wales murder case' into Google search for this.

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    72. Lost the plot?!!

      Oh dear...

      You have the gall to moan that I copy and paste, yet you cannot, refuse to look at the man's CV and claim that he is not an expert because he was fired once in a 30 year career?

      You people are desperate, stupid, and seriously hell bent on trying to claw back what little ounce of reassurance requirements have followed you around since you were little children scared of the boogey man.

      Reality check; you are not in control of the world around you. You are not in control of the truth, and you sure ass hell aren't selling to anyone that Bill Munns isn't an expert... You laughably dim characters you.

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    73. Joe he's not got a thirty year career in SFX you can see that from the resume you keep printing!!!! Is it that you don't understand the terminology? Do you not know the difference between a SFX artist and a sculptor is what are you missing here??? His career in SFX and make up effects ended with him being fired 30 years ago all the stuff after that is work in totally different fields

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    74. Advances in DNA technology, cell phone logs, credit transactions, surveillance cameras, and forensic analysis are the main reason for convictions without a body.

      None of that has to do with outlandish claims of human hybrids, which seem to not leave any physical and biological evidence, including feces and hair...

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    75. You have ten thousand years (the natives say 50) of acknowledgment of this creature. You have a transition from this into settler's diaries that had no link to one another geographically that told of the same consistencies. You have 150 years worth of archaeological and anthropological studies that have documented giant skeletal remains in libraries up and down your great country. You have a transition into that of modern accounts that tally the tens of thousands (that is of course just skimming the surface of those accounts), much of which are multiple person. You then have tracks with dermals that show scare tissue and toe bending, consistent with species traits from different States years apart, that are also found 50 miles into wilderness interiors. You have a transcribed language that was recorded from a similar description of the country. You have film footage that you cannot explain and you have science, in all the time it has had to debunk this subject and hasn't; asking the questions.

      You have a frequency of sightings that are in complete conjunction with what one would expect to see from a highly intelligent nocturnal creature that buries it's dead and evades in social groups. With DNA that is sure to be sequenced (not to mention the unknown matches of DNA we have already), you think it was do OK in a court of law?

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    76. Let me guess, another post that Munns isn't an expert?

      What a bunch of sad little people... You have them crying about spamming and then denying what's written in front of them.

      Pretty pathetic. Keep it up guys, I'm hysterical here at the way you're trying to claw back some face after that resume was posted.

      Oh... And I can go aaaaaaaaaaalllll day too.

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    77. You are incredibly obnoxious and ignorant. I really hope you get the banishment you deserve.

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    78. Ignorant would articulate the manner I which YOU are on a Bigfoot blog trying to claim BS.

      Nothing more ignorant and nothing more deservant of banishment.

      I can't decide whether it's ignorance or just plain stupidity that you can look at the resume and maintain a 30 year career in costume isn't sufficient to qualify on the 'suit'.

      Oh dear.

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    79. Actually Joe is says on the header that this website provides

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    80. Whoops! This website encourages people to come to their own conclusions from the evidence and arguments provided, my conclusions are based on logic and reason not tall tales

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    81. Joe he has not worked in costume design since the mid 80s it's there in the resume!!!! Everything else he has done since has noting to do with SFX or costume design! Jesus! He has not worked in Hollywood for 30 years you idiot!!!

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    82. Early settlers diaries spoke of getting nothing and liking it.

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    83. Yeah, yeah, so you keep saying... All experts must work in Hollywood for what length of time exactly??

      It's ok bro, let it go, you got smoked with the resume... Let it go, you're anonymous. No shame, leave it go bro.

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    84. Dismissive attitude and always wanting the last word...

      That's not proper etiquette.

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    85. Dismissive attitude would be to deny the mountains of evidence there is you numpty! Ha!!

      The 'suit' must be special because nobody can find one anywhere near as good and if they were ten a penny then like you skeptics think, then Pawn Stars or Storage Wars would have come across at least one, don't you think? If this suit is as easy as you maintain it is to replicate... It simply would have been done by now to shut up us Footers, would it not? This is a major contradiction by you people right the way through your comments... one minute it's easy, the next; if a major Hollywood professional had millions thrown at him he would accomplish it... Neither points, in all their contradictive nature even explain how the 'suit' can be debated for this long without another replica being manufactured.

      It's poor logic people, wake up!

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    86. PJ keeps himself in a jar of delusion.

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    87. 'Dismissive attitude'? Christ, that creased!

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    88. Think the criteria for an expert is someone who is skilled in said profession not someone who was fired from his most high profile job for being shit and not worked in that profession since a profession which is providing make up effects for the film industry not animatronics for French museums.

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    89. I think that if you have someone working in costumes for 30 years, you can be classed as an expert... That would be good enough for you in any other walk of life, but you are desperate and that makes you do silly claims.

      Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

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    90. There's no transcribed language Joe, no proof of existence yet alone that they bury their dead, where are all these giants? How many have been found and examined by reputable scientists this century? How many were discovered by people with a good grasp of human anatomy to judge what is out of human range? If these giants did exist what proof is there that they were Sasquatch? How do you know what the early settlers recorded seeing was Patty? How many eyewitnesses were liars? How many were mistaken ids? How many were hoaxed? If there are thousands of eye witnesses why no photos? Who mentioned millions of dollars to make a Patty suit? Where's the DNA evidence, there must be some right Joe? There isn't any concrete proof of existence is there?

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    91. "A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found
      in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during mound explorations by a Dr Everhart near Zanesville, Ohio. (American
      Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61).

      Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound
      at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883)
      A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that
      was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West
      Virginia, in 1884. (American Antiquarian, v6, 1884 133f. Cyrus Thomas,
      Report on Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology, 12th Annual Report,
      Smithsonian Bureau of Ethnology, 1890-91)

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    92. ... And that was just two of countless pieces of official documents that show a paper trail of biological evidence straight to some of the biggest institutes in the world...

      More to follow.

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    93. Joe he hasn't got 30 years experience in costume design it's all there in his resume !!!! Are you retarded seriously? Doing animatronics for museums and computer graphics work is not make up effects or costume design you idiot! You have nothing

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    95. 10:04...

      You're boring me now bro, Munns is an expert;

      expert
      ˈɛkspəːt/
      noun
      noun: expert; plural noun: experts
      1.
      a person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.
      "an expert in health care"
      synonyms: specialist, authority, pundit, oracle; More
      antonyms: inexpert, amateur
      adjective
      adjective: expert
      1.
      having or involving a great deal of knowledge or skill in a particular area.
      "he had received expert academic advice"
      synonyms: skilful, skilled, adept, accomplished, talented, fine;

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    96. For language, trot on over to YouTube and check out the Sierra Sounds, and as for suggesting everyone is lying... Even long standing cultures of ten thousand years...

      Is quite funny to me.

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  6. Santas coming do do do do do do do do oh yea oh yea,or did he,can't remember,i fell asleep xx

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    1. HELLO, EVA! HOW'VE YOU BEEN, FRIEND?



      ALL CAPS

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    2. Eva my darling, my precious, my angel who keeps her sweet smelling poop in perfume jars- would you please change your avatar? The colors in it are too close to a certain persons whose posts I can't read because they make me sad in my heart, and I don't want to click on one of their posts by accident.

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    3. You sound like you have a broken heart my sweet,it gets easier with time,i promise xx

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  7. Hello ALL CAPS, i'm fine thankyou,hope alls well where you are,great first the other day btw xx

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  8. For many years now, I've been reading here the debate over the P/G film. Even though i'm tired of this debate, since it is now posted here (again) I have to address it one last time.

    (Keep in mind that this one film has been constantly debated for over 50 years) With the hundreds of YOUTUBE videos presented, no one is debated them over the last 5-10 years! Why? because ALL OF THEM, are just not good enough to be debated! They all suck! Only the P/G film is THAT GOOD, that it has been debated for so long!

    I'm an Ex Bear hunting guide (for over 20 years). I think by now, I know what a bear looks like, sounds like, and how they run, move etc. So, there will be no mis-identification on my part, Ever, My team members, all hunted and shot Bears (5 so far this season). So they know Bears all to well, nobody can dispute that!

    When we go on our expeditions, for 3-4 weeks at a time, "We" are not chasing BEARS! "WE" know all about BEARS! So what the fuck are we seeing and chasing? Moose?
    No! only "City Bred" armchair experts? that never even go into the wilds, are telling me, and my team, we are mis-identifying these animals! Are you kidding me? "We" know what were doing, what we are chasing, what we are hearing, what we are seeing, and it's not BEARS! They're BIGFOOTS, plain and simple!

    Now about the P/G film, All of us (Me and my team members) are 100% convinced, that this is a video of a REAL BIG FOOT! Nothing else come close, no other video comes any where's near close to the P/G film. "We" know what "We" are seeing! Period!

    It's the Dan Campbell's of the world that are closed minded, convinced in their minds, that they don't exist! "I've been hunting for 40 years, and never saw a Big foot! therefore, they don't exist"! So says the Danny Campbell types.
    "I" know hunters, that's been hunting deer for 40 years, and never saw one"! That's my answer. Or. . . how about this: I live in the Catskill Highlands, in a county that has the highest amount of BEARS per mile, in New York state. There are people in my town and county, that have lived here all their lives, and never,ever saw a BEAR!

    Enough said, Got to go check my traps..............We got snow! Maybe now we will get them damn Wolves(Er, wild Dogs, Eh, Danny boy).

    John W. Jones Spoke

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    1. You really like me don't you? Almost every post you type up includes references of me.

      Spending all that time chasing down bigfeets, weeks and months at a clip, wearing burlap sacks and used feminine hygiene products, yet you still have zero to show for it.

      We can get DNA evidence from fecal matter, yet not even a fat Squatch turd has shown up. Plenty of cylindrical logs (here's looking at you Thom Powell) from bears though.

      PS - I never told you a thing about wild dogs. Stop attributing these statements to me.

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    2. Daniel, what is this sudden sensitive brovado you are trying to put on? There is no bigger scoundrel around here than you, can you remember the stuff you have posted on here in recent times about people, not to mention your embarrassing little exposé.

      You are the first to post at John when he comments, you are the first to insult him, why the sensitive crap? It's not you and nobody's falling for it.

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    3. Stop harassing me, Joe.

      I haven't changed, I'm just learning how to ignore you better and not let stupid crap rub me the wrong way.

      I repeat, stop harassing me.

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    4. Harassing you? Eva, get a loud of this! I'm quite happy to leave you alone.

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    5. For once, I'm speechless Eva. Hope your weekend is going ok darling.

      Peace.

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    6. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

      Sir Winston Churchill

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    7. Hey Daniel, Yes I have it in for you. Your posts are degrading and insulting. I don't think you realize that, at all. You blab on and on. The more you comment, the more it shows me how stupid you really are.

      How do you know what evidence we collected over the years! We're certainly not going to share them with you, or post them here. I may be stupid at times, but I am not that stupid. We have an un-official backing of a major Museum.

      We are grown mature men. We don't post here saying dumb things like "Taterhole' "First" "Scrotom" etc. You post that! That's your intelligent? comments! Are you a grown man, or are you a little kid?.

      Who the fuck are you, telling us what to do, or what not to do. If we're wasting our time in pursuit of this animal, we'll it's our time. You didn't (or couldn't, I'm being fair) come along on one of our expeditions (Which I offered to pay for) so you never got to experience, what we experience, yet you cicatrize us from afar.

      Yes! it's hard to prove they exist. If it were easy, then I wouldn't be commenting here. You don't know how frustrating it is, seeing them, hearing them, but unable to prove it. What were after is real! As stated earlier, we're not a bunch of nimrods! We know what BEARS look like!
      Could you offer to me, what animal that comes close to a Bear or a Big foot that we are mistaken them for? Answer me that, What animal?

      John W. Jones Spoke

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    8. Un-Official backing. That's just rich.LMAO......

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  9. Because ancient shape shifting ghost aliens made the suit, duh. And they can't be bothered to do it again.

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  10. That suit can be recreated. However you will have to find another Bigfoot to do it for you. Good luck with that. All other attempts have proven to be futile and always will be.

    Chuck

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  11. The guy who poses as 50 characters practically lives here

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    1. So what,want to fight about it?

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    2. he just cries about it. he hates conflict. that's why he liked it better when it was the same 6 people constantly agreeing with each other. He is a fascist, basically.

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  12. cheesus.. the guy in the suit already fess'ed up and said it was him. what more do you need. an old 8mm film is not going to give accurate size proportions due to lens and there is no references in the film. So a 5' 10'' guy could appear to be 300 lbs.

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    1. A short list of just some Bob Hilarious' contradictions:

      Did you feel comfortable and natural walking in the suit?; Oh yeah it was easy. Very simple: I had to practice it several times to get it the way Roger wanted it.

      The legs felt like hip boots, wading boots they went up to the waist.; They were irrigation boots about up to the knees.; Wading boots they came straight up to the hips.

      I think the feet were made out of old house slippers.; They weren't no slippers.
      I was walking in my stocking feet inside the costume.; I was wearing shoes.

      No metal parts.; It had a zipper.
      I had to wiggle into it kinda like a t-shirt.; It had a zipper up the back.

      There were numerous more contradictions , also about the location I couldn't be bothered to dig up, purely cause I'm embarrassed that you would use such a source if I'm honest and I'm bored of it.

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    2. yep this looks like a dead ringer.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCzRBzBmUjE

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    3. I have heard several popular radio personalities refer to PGF as a 'proven hoax'. Not C2C, but several mega-popular daytime shows. So it has gradually been proven, in the court of public opinion, to be a hoax, a stunt, or a one off freak show. Finding Bigfoot has solidified the hoax theory even further in the minds of millions and millions of environmental elitists. They're all about Whale Wars, and couldn't give half a squirt about bigfoot.

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    4. "So it has gradually been proven, in the court of public opinion, to be a hoax, a stunt, or a one off freak show."

      Oh dear.

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    5. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

      Sir Winston Churchill

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    6. context
      ˈkɒntɛkst/Submit
      noun
      noun: context; plural noun: contexts
      1.
      the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.
      "the proposals need to be considered in the context of new European directives"
      synonyms: circumstances, conditions, surroundings, factors, state of affairs; More
      frame of reference, contextual relationship;
      text, subject, theme, topic
      the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
      "skilled readers use context to construct meaning from words as they are read"

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  13. Ifn thar bez bigfoots abouts 12 gage shotgun used – dang critters, followed up shots – slugs rounds and take that thar bigfoot down. Thar beez bigfeets abouts for shure,

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    1. That's "Oxy".

      Oxy-MORON

      The moron - who tries to act like a moron.

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  14. anyway the ufo blogs might have the real deal.

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  15. I've read that the whole reason the film was considered a hoax is 3 after the film, a Hollywood costume designer claimed he made the suit to help his failing business and even though challenged, refused to show the suit, claimed he destroyed the suit and wouldn't make another.

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    1. Smallfoot is the perfect example of why links should be posted. Where did you read it? Was it in long, boring, techincal journal on primatology, or was it tattooed on a Thai ladyboy's ass? It makes a difference. So don't just stumble in here and say stupid shit. We've had enough of that to last us 46 years and a day.

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    2. I'll post anything I want, anytime I want!
      Sounds like you know lots about Ass so I won't challenge you there, Assnonymous

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    3. How old are you, Smallfoot? 12?

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    4. I made a stand alone comment, was attacked and made a reply worthy of the comment and now your stupid question.
      How old does one have to be?

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    5. I read that Smallfoot likes to smash his own scrotum with a ball peen hammer! How do you like that Mr. stand alone comment?

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  16. It's official the Canadian research team has hundreds of hours of bf footage and they will release it in 2014 can't wait! Finally

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    1. Sorry, I have to retract that. The bf referred to in the story does not refer to bigfoot, but, I am embarassed to say, the act of anal sex. My bad!

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    2. .....2009 2010 2011 2012 2013....

      2014 YEAR OF THE SQUATCH!!!!!!!!

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    3. Finally--the year of Bigfoot! Wait...

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  17. Ya and the best part about the Canadian research web site is u have to be a citizen to access it to even read what there studying its amazing stuff!

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    1. and you have to speak French, twirl your mustache and go Hunh Hunh Hunh after reading every sentence.

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    2. You'll get nothing and like it, eh?

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    1. Ellie saw a boogerman by the cement pond unca Jed!

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    2. .....Hi Jed!..You have the 2nd best theme song...love the line about "...shooting at some food, but up from the ground came a-bubblin' crude!"...Rednecks shoot their food!! Love it!!..

      Oh, the best one is "Moving on Up" from the Jeffersons...

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  19. Joe is completely useless. Just quit responding to his posts and he will go away.

    I've just searched every hospital and morgue in Texas for new admissions. I'm worried about Mikey B.

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    1. He said he had amazing evidence. I am sure he got it all on video.

      He can't be that stupid can he?

      Can he?

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  20. For 17,5000 I'll give you a bigfoot suit so awesome it'll make Rictor's taterhole pucker and pee dribble down the front of his designer jeans.

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    1. There you go again, Daniel, a grown man, using childish comments!

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    2. Wonder how John W Jones Spoke feels about Rictor then?

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    3. I don't know how many children come on here. But a grown man, should be aware that there on here reading all comments. There should no reason, to call each other childish, in-mature, vial names. There should be only intelligent discussions about the pro or cons about this Big foot Mythology. That's it!

      But our nation's morals are at an all time low. People just don't respect each other anymore. The Hate is everywhere! not just on this Big foot blog, but on other sites, like Ghosts, U.f.O.'s etc.
      When a grown man, uses vile, vulgar comments, it diminishes him who made the comments, it make him, look small foolish and un-intelligent!
      But, I'm just wasting my time. It doesn't matter anymore. I'll go out now hunting for those Wolves, because I am a delusional Redneck.

      John W. Jones Spoke

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    4. Pardon me, but a couple posts up you were vulgar and aggressive, so don't preach what you don't practice.

      If you want super serial bigfoot discussions, go to bigfootforums.com

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    1. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

      Sir Winston Churchill

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    2. His name is Daniel Campbell! I bet you he has Nazi flags, and a picture of Hitler in his room.

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    3. context
      ˈkɒntɛkst/Submit
      noun
      noun: context; plural noun: contexts
      1.
      the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.
      "the proposals need to be considered in the context of new European directives"
      synonyms: circumstances, conditions, surroundings, factors, state of affairs; More
      frame of reference, contextual relationship;
      text, subject, theme, topic
      the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
      "skilled readers use context to construct meaning from words as they are read"

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    4. How many people from Dresden can you fit in a Mini-Cooper?

      25000 if you bring a shovel.

      Smoked.

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    5. Patty looks a little like Mean Joe Greene.

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  22. I've been ignoring Joe for over twenty minutes now and my blood pressure has dropped almost one tenth of a point. It's just not worth it. I say, let assholes be assholes. Ignore Joe today!

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  23. HA HA. Very funny. The photo on the right is NOT an attempt to recreate Patty. It is in fact AutumnForest, a former contributor to this site.

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  24. No he's a 30 year costume expert... Is it that you don't understand and are desperately bitter that you got schooled about twenty comments back and are trying to save a little face...

    Don't worry, you're anonymous remember...

    How many times have you been fired? Lucky for you flippin' burgers ain't too hard a career to recycle over and over and over and over...

    You are stupid if you cannot read his resume and maintain he is not an expert.

    I'm bored.

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    1. Wow I'm Canadian and I just looked at this research that they did in Canada why don't they just release some of the pictures on there website that's the biggest scariest monster human thing I've ever seen! Holy f$&"k now that's leget proof! Go Canada !!

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    2. WTF are you talking about?

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    3. It's called the Canadian boreal research IBMS u have to be citizen to access main page and you'll see pictures of cougars huge bears and two sasqwatch pictures with red hair. Also the bears look different than any bears I've ever seen there all red fur with black fur top of there head and back? Check it out!

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  26. Do what da V.P. Joe Biden – or as he known in these parts as “shotgun Joe” getz U a shotgun – buy U a shotgun, takes a shotgun with U for protection.

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