Before Justin Smeja, There Was This Moose Hunter Named Peter [Bigfoot Shooting]
Justin Smeja is the hunter who shot and killed two Bigfoots near Gold Lake, CA in 2010. The account is widely known as the Sierra Kills event. To this day, Justin does not know why he did what he did.
According to our source, Justin's wife still cannot believe that out of all people to shoot a Sasquatch, it had to be her husband who killed a creature that wasn't suppose to exist. At the time, he thought they were monsters-- and as someone who's been hunting bears all his life, he's pretty sure they weren't bears. What was also racing through his mind at the time was the possibility that he might have killed a person, or a very strange looking hairy person at that. Looking back at what happened in hindsight, it is clear that state of mind played a role in his decision to shoot first and ask questions later.
Recently, the Frontiers Of Zoology blog posted an interesting interview about a moose hunter who claimed he shot a Bigfoot in 1941. After shooting the creature, and examining it, he could see its gigantic palm, and came to the realization that he was looking a giant hairy man. In his mind at the time, he thought that he might have killed some "hermit-type" person. "It was across or something, one of these hermit people, people used to talk about. I didn’t want to be charged with shooting a hermit, or something human," said the man.
It's an incredible story that was submitted by BFRO member, Curt Nelson back in October 16, 2004. The report is based on two visits and many phone conversations with the witness (Peter).
Read below:
YEAR: 1941
SEASON: Fall
MONTH: November
DATE: 16
PROVINCE: Manitoba
COUNTRY: Canada
LOCATION DETAILS: Approximately 15 miles west of Gypsumville, just southeast of Basket Lake.
NEAREST TOWN: Gypsumville
At the beginning of May of 2003 I took a trip into Manitoba to stay with a man with whom I’d been in telephone contact on and off for about a year. He was interested in sasquatch. Sasquatch in Manitoba, Canada, that province above western Minnesota and eastern North Dakota, which stretches north along Hudson Bay where polar bears make their living. It’s hundreds of miles of bush laced through with lakes – including the giants: Lakes Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Winnipegosis. In the winter it’s no place to be without a good plan, for keeping warm and fed and out of trouble, and the means to carry it out. Manitoba’s position in the upper middle of the North American land mass is too far from any reasonably warm winter grounds to imagine it as anything but the year-round home for animals found there, including sasquatch.
The man, “Peter,” had become interested in sasquatch because he told me he knew for certain they are real, and that they live there in Manitoba. He knew this for sure, he said, because he had a chance to look at one up close, after he’d shot and killed it: he flipped its hand over with the toe of his boot to have a look at its palm. It was very large and there were five fingers – one a thumb, like a man’s hand, he said.
The following account of the event came mainly from two visits I had with Peter: first in early May of 2003 when I stayed with him for three days, and in September of that year when he put me up again for two days. We also talked about the shooting incident several times by phone, before and since my visits. The word-for-word questions and Peter’s answers presented here were mostly from the May visit; we sat together in his home where he lives alone now. I taped our conversation. The reader will note a leading tendency in my questions. The prior discussions, I believe, are the cause of this.
It happened the first week of November, 1941, 62 years ago, when Peter was 17 years old. He’d gone hunting for moose with two friends around Basket Lake, a small lake about 15 miles west of Gypsumville, the town near where Peter grew up and has always lived. The two friends hunted the east side of Basket Lake; Peter wanted to go to the west side, which he knew was good for moose and elk. There was patchy snow on the ground and Peter found ambling moose tracks criss-crossing the area, indicating feeding animals.
The spotty snow made tracking difficult but he moved ahead: “…Sure enough, I did see one in the willows feeding with its head down, and it was a cow moose – no calf, I didn’t see a calf, and no horns, so I knew it was a cow. At that time the bulls still have their horns. But, in 1941 yet before the major fires, there were bush and willows so thick that you couldn’t believe it. So you had to shoot through willows, there’s not… you didn’t always have an open shot, so… take a chance. So I did shoot, because I knew… take one or two steps and… [It would be gone].”
Q: Where did you shoot, where did you try to hit her?
P: In the chest.
Q: Was she broadside to you?
P: Pretty well, but not fully broadside… and I did shoot, fired a shot… and I walked slowly and, yes, there was a little bit of blood on the right side, you know, as it’s running, you could see where it sprinkled a little. It didn’t look good; I could see I didn’t hit it properly. The bullet deviated from the brush. But I had no choice, then, and the blood made it a little easier to track it. There was blood here and there; you could tell you were on the right track. So I tracked her slowly, I’d say for a half hour, but very slowly.
And… I looked in the willows… again, and I could see all this hair, so I thought to myself ‘Well, I’ll slow you up,’ and I took a good aim and I fired. It disappeared… looked like I got it, so I walked up to it slowly… It wasn’t far, 45 yards, only – ‘cause that’s about as far as you could see in that stuff – if it was that far. But I took my time, because when you approach a big game animal you have to approach carefully. You carry your gun across your chest with your hand on the breach, ready to fire. If it wants to jump you, you have one good shot, point blank. Don’t raise the gun to your shoulder, just turn it and pull the trigger. That’s the last chance you got. Because a big game animal, he gets you, you’ve had it.
So I looked, I could see him… what the hell is this? Holy buckets! He’s lying there and one foot was up, you know… So I nudged him in the foot and slowly walked on this side, still hanging onto my rifle like I was supposed to, and I picked the hand up with my right foot, to see the bottom. And I walked around and I could see where I hit him, in the back, high in the back, between the shoulder blades, right in the back. It must have been bent over… because – to look at the moose track and the blood or something like that – I didn’t see a head.
I interrupted here, and to find out just how the thing was lying, I lay down on Peter’s kitchen floor and, according to his instructions, adjusted myself to match the creature’s position: I was on my right side with my right arm and hand pinned under my body. My left arm lay along my side and bent at the elbow so the hand was palm down on the ground in front of my belly. My face was pointed mostly at the ground but the left side showed fairly well. And my legs lay with the left foot’s sole showing (the foot was caught and held that way by brush, he said).
Peter explained that when he shot the animal he thought he was looking at the rear end of his moose (Peter's view of the animal: http://www.patbarker-art.com/1lores.html) and that, given that shot, he tried to put the bullet just above where the anus should be. He said it’s the only shot in that situation; the bullet travels above the gut just under the spine on up into the chest cavity where you want it. The creature had stood with its back to him; apparently it had been looking down (at the wounded moose’s trail?) because he didn’t see its head. And the big shoulders and back… he thought he was looking at the moose’s rump. His bullet, meant to enter and travel just below a moose’s back bone, had hit the animal between the shoulder blades, killing it on the spot. And this 1941-vintage 17-year-old who never heard of anything like a sasquatch looked upon the creature he had slain and wondered, and worried, and then became frightened. And he got out of there.
Q: What did you do then, did you literally run out of the woods?
P: No, I walked very fast… with three foot strides, I can tell you.
Q: What kind of gun were you using?
P: 38-55 Winchester.
Q: Oh, do you still have that gun?
P: No… in fact the RCMP man bought it for repairs because the barrel was wore out.
Q: An elk is real hard to turn over once it’s dead – to turn it over to skin it. It’s a lot of work. What about this creature, how big was it? Could you have turned it over?
P: Well, there’s a knack, like you say, about turning an animal over… It depends on how the brush is, but… I always carried a piece of stiff cord, good cord, where you could tie the leg up to a willow or a tree, one leg… and you could roll him over like nothing. In a half an hour I’ll dress a moose for you - not skin him, but ahh, gut him.
Q: So how big was this creature?
P: He was very… between… I would say… like, I’m a straight six feet, and he’d have been a foot and a half to two feet taller than I was – you know, just estimating.
Q: How about heaviness, I mean, could you have turned him over?
P: I didn’t try it – oh yeah, I could have turned him over but I’d have had to cut some willows to do that… See it’s very hard to estimate the weight when he’s covered with hair. I walked around him and thought, ‘Holy God, what the heck am I gonna do now? If there’s anymore of these things around I don’t want to be here.’ And I just got the heck out of there so fast you wouldn’t believe it. I don’t think I spent more than, maybe, eight minutes with him.
Q: You’ve seen a picture of the Patterson creature; do you think it looked about like that?
P: Very much so… well, I can describe his body. He has a big round chest. Huge! He’s got a big chest – really big.
Q: And there’s no skin showing?
P: No, I didn’t see any bare skin except a little on his face, on the side.
Q: What about the palms of his hands?
P: They were bare.
Q: And the bottoms of his feet?
P: Yeah [they were bare]… but they weren’t white… well, let’s see… he’s not a very hygienic creature, you know, he doesn’t wash or anything, so his skin is dirty and a little brown, but white like my dirty hands. Not only a little dirty… and heavy fingers, and big palms, and… opposed thumb. And a big palm, like… when I close my hand like this and cover my face…
Q: Really, so his palm was proportionately bigger than a human’s palm? That’s what you’re saying?
P: Yeah, it’s longer and deeper like it’s a big palm.
Q: What about the foot, does it match the footprints people have been casting?
P: Absolutely. The foot had five toes… on it, and the foot looks very flat foot, like, I have a high arch, you know, and his is completely very flat. And the foot… well I’m pretty good at estimating the lengths of different things – or at least I was – because when you’re a carpenter you get used to that. And I’d say his foot was around fifteen inches, fifteen and a half.
Q: So, did his coat look warm, his fur coat, was there a thick, dense, good undercoat?
P: Most animals have a underfur… and I didn’t notice that on that animal… that he had short fur underneath – of course I wasn’t… didn’t touch him and didn’t look at that.
Q: Witnesses always say, whenever they talk about it they say, ‘it was covered in hair,’ and I think, well you’d never describe a bear as being covered in hair, you’d never say that. You’d say it had fur. So why do people always describe bigfoot as being covered with hair?
P: Because it looks like hair.
Q: Well, that’s what I’m trying to get at… is why people say that, because it’s an animal, it’s covered in… fur, and yet for some reason, I don’t know, because it’s shaped like a man or something, they describe it as hair. And, you know, one of the characteristics of fur that makes it fur is that undercoat, that makes it dense. And if it didn’t have that undercoat you maybe would refer to it as just hair.
P: Well… it looks like hair, not like fur.
Q: I think that’s curious, that a northern animal like that, that has to survive here wouldn’t have a coat that was essentially like a bear’s, you know, with a good undercoat… that’s good and thick.
P: Well… you know what? You’re talking about a humanoid animal… But, all I can say, it looks like hair… not fur. You know, like a man lets his hair grow straggly and… you know, long… well that’s what it looks like, a hair. That’s why I say it’s hair, because it looks like hair.
Q: I think you told me before that the hair was about eight inches. Is that right? Maybe you can just tell me something about the general appearance of the fur – or hair, as you describe it.
P: I would say it wasn’t that long all over. But the hair hangin’ from his head, you know, and down his shoulders… and down his arms were quite long. You know when he was laying, like, sideways, well the hair from his head kind of covered the side of his face right down to his shoulders, you know.
Q: So how long would you say that that longer hair was?
P: Well, I would say it has to be six to eight inches long. I didn’t measure nothing… but it looked fairly long. You couldn’t see an ear of any kind, you know, but I still could see part of his face on one side.
Q: And then describe the hair on the rest of the body, was it uniform in length?
P: Well, no, not really. It seemed to be kinda long on the arms, you know? It was hair down the top of his hands, you know, and partly down his fingers, but shorter, you know, half inch to one inch, I would say roughly, but not right to the very tips, you know… But the top of the hand was covered… But… it was fairly long hair down the arm, too, you know, four, five, six inches, you know.
Q: Do you think it was also four, five, six inches along the legs and the torso of the animal?
P: Yeah, down the legs, too, you know, it was fairly long, about five to six inches, and it was… I noticed on the, the one leg that was up a little, you know, well, it was right down low, you know, to the bottom of his foot, the hair.
Q: And the color, the color of the hair… I think you told me was, ah, was reddish, didn’t you?
P: No, it was a dark brown.
Q: Dark brown. Okay.
P: Yeah, a dirty dark brown, I can’t say, but a dark brown, and it seemed to be a little… had some… the tops… well, I can’t remember exactly where… ah, had a, like a reddish overtone, you know?
Q: Oh yeah, okay. I understand.
P: Top of the hair in places, not all over, but in areas, you know, it was... looked to me it was kinda reddish.
Q: I need you to comment, again, about your thinking in not telling anybody about it. I mean that’s a very important point, and it’s an obvious question that everybody has.
P: Well, for one, I was very shocked… to see this thing. And, it was during the war years – World War II – and the thing was, people can be very funny, if you talk about something that’s out of line… right away you’re crazy, you’re not all there, you know. And I did a lot of thinking – myself, I could not place an animal in my brain, like that. Was it half human, half ape, or something like that?... The thing is, just a year or two ago people were calling me stupid in believing in such a thing… ‘you’re crazy to believe in those things’… Today! Never mind sixty years ago.
Here Peter told me how for a while he’d worked aboard an aircraft outfitted with skis, and traveled all over northern Manitoba where he talked with a lot of aboriginal people. From them he heard stories about something they saw, something that sounded like what he’d shot (“…and from their stories… they were seeing this thing, too, what I shot, I could make out…”).
Q: Okay, go back, though, to immediately after the killing occurred. Were you, ah, somewhat afraid of being prosecuted for killing something like that, or was it mostly a matter of, um, being thought crazy for?…
P: Not only that…
Q: But of course, Peter, also you have to… anyone would say that anybody that would have called you crazy… you could have brought them to the animal and proved that you really did it, that you weren’t crazy. So I need you to discuss why you didn’t do that.
P: Well, in the first place, I was with two older people. They were hunting going in a different – in the opposite direction. And it was not easy to do at that time, (Peter means it would not have been easy to show his hunting partners – or anyone – the animal since it was far from where the other two had gone, in a very remote spot). But, for one, I was hunting illegally. Do you know what I’m talkin’ about?
Q: No. In what way were you hunting illegally?
P: Well I had no license to hunt for moose.
Q: Oh, uh-huh.
P: I had no license… I may have had, I don’t remember, a deer license. But I didn’t… wasn’t fussy about shooting deer because they’re a small animal and you don’t get very much meat for a day’s work. You know what I mean?
Q: Sure, yes.
P: So I go… as long as I could get in the bush – well there was days I’d get two-three. Well, for a large family (Peter had 10 brothers and sisters) it was enough to supply meat for the winter... But I was strictly hunting illegally.
Q: So you didn’t want to reveal that fact by…
P: No, that fact alone. But, another thing, you hear these weird stories, especially in old days, about these guys living in hermits in the bush and… all that stuff. So you don’t really know what to think.
Q: So you thought, in some corner of your mind, you considered the possibility that it was one of these… one of these hermit-type people and you might have killed a…
P: It was a, a cross or something, one of these hermit people, people used to talk about. I didn’t want to be charged with shooting a hermit, or something human.
Q: So you thought that it was a possibility that it was something like that and that you could be in legal trouble for revealing it, is that right?
P: That’s right. See, because, at those days nobody talked about a Sasquatch or… or a, a Bigfoot.
Q: So when you walked up on that animal and you were looking it over and stuff, did you determine where its tracks came from, whether it had been tracking your moose?
P: No. It would be hard to see tracks, because there were small amounts of snow – hay and everything… and I didn’t look. I was too scared.
Q: And so… it was done breathing, it was not alive?
P: Oh no, it took me…
Q: Do you think you shot it through the heart?
P: Well, the bullet didn’t enter the body at a ninety degree angle… He had to be bent over because when you hit a animal on a angle it will shear part of the fur before it will enter. And that’s what it looked like to me, of course it was so much hair it was so much harder to tell.
During a recent phone call Peter said: “The bullet had to go through the spine, because it was dead center in the back. And when a bullet hits bone like that it expands and it would have gone into the chest and done tremendous damage.” The creature was “stone dead,” lying crumpled where it had been standing when he fired.
(How the creature looked: http://www.patbarker-art.com/2lores.html)
Q: Can you still go back in your mind and remember that scene in your mind’s eye; is that memory still vivid for you?
P: Oh… certain things in your memory – it coulda happened yesterday. You don’t forget things like that. The most shocking part about it is the sheer size of the animal.
Q: Really?
P: Yes. It’s just unbelievable because anything that big should have been seen and reported and in books and everything. You think you’re on a different planet or something.
Q: Was it a male, do you know?
P: Yes, it would be a male, because I’d have seen the breasts.
Q: Did you see genitals?
P: No, because the way he was laying on the side, kind of folded up.
(Front view of creature: http://www.patbarker-art.com/3lores.html)
Q: So tell me a little bit more about the appearance of it, you said it had a real big chest, barrel chest…
P: Big barrel chest. A human body, like yours, the chest, you know, well it’s flat in front to back. But theirs is big, round, barrel chest…
Peter was just shy of his 79th birthday (he’s just 80 at this writing) when I visited him. The next two days he took me around to show me places where others have had bigfoot (or windigo, as some of the natives call it) sightings. Two of the witnesses were women, residents of the Fairford Reserve, who had had recent sightings – one just two days prior to my arrival and the other about three weeks before that.
In the late sixties/early seventies, after the Patterson-Gimlin film brought bigfoot into the public consciousness – and into Peter’s consciousness – he realized what the animal was that he had shot. When he saw the hair covered creature in that film he immediately knew that what he killed in 1941 was the same kind of animal. It was not some strange hybrid person, a thought that had occurred to him as he looked, puzzled, worried, and then frightened over the huge man-like creature his bullet had cut down. No, it was the same kind of animal as the one in the film taken by Roger Patterson in northern California. That’s what it was! A bigfoot.
After Peter’s life loosened up some, when the children had gone and he’d cut back on his work and had a little time, his interest in sasquatch developed. He talked freely about the 1941 incident around his community. Others offered their own stories of sightings of such a creature or its tracks.
I’d asked Peter if that early life incident, the killing of such a thing, as frightening and upsetting as that must have been, had troubled him during his subsequent life before he’d come to realize what it was. No, he said. He got married, they had eight children, he worked hard as a farmer, carpenter, and commercial fisherman on Lake Winnipeg; he just didn’t have time to worry, he explained. So for about 30 years Peter lived his life and told no one about the 1941 killing. But he didn’t forget. And when he saw the Patterson-Gimlin film and knew what a bigfoot, a sasquatch – a windigo – was, he knew they were not just in the Pacific Northwest; they were there in the Manitoba bush, too.
We’ve gone over it many times and I’m convinced Peter did what he said he did: he shot a good-sized male sasquatch to death in 1941 when he was just 17. There has been no hint of untruthfulness or indication that he was or is not thinking clearly about that event. If anything, Peter has been understated and overcautious in his statements to me about that day. At first I had a hard time getting him to tell me about it. Instead he has wanted to talk about recent sightings. He just wasn’t interested in it anymore; it’s old news to him. And he has told a lot of people about it (local people, mostly), and the response he’s gotten from them has been pretty negative; he’s been called stupid, crazy, and a liar. That is how it goes for people like Peter who have had a close encounter with a sasquatch – and talked about it. It’s punishing.
Beyond that Peter has the attitude that since he can’t prove it happened, his story isn’t really worth telling, that it’s just another unsupportable claim. (Undoubtedly he has come to that conclusion over the years – because he has talked about it, told the story, and instead of being believed he has gotten grief for it.) So Peter doesn’t care whether or not his story is told because he doesn’t think it matters. What matters to him now are the current sightings, the ones that could yield evidence to prove sasquatches are there, have always been there, in the Manitoba bush.
And recently, when I commented to him on what a remarkable experience it was, how fortunate, (obviously apart from the fact that it involved the killing of such a creature), he was to have seen a sasquatch close up… he said, not really, that it wasn’t a situation where he could appreciate it, and that he was scared. He wishes he’d seen it alive and moving, like the William Roe sighting, he said. But in the more than sixty years since, with all the hunting and time in the bush he’s spent, he hasn’t seen another one. He has seen a track, one good track, however.
That was in association with a 1979 sighting in which several other people saw the creature when it moved through the area. It was near where Peter lived and he got onto it and was able to track the animal’s movements through a strip of bush and out into a hay field where it stepped on an ant mound and left a good impression of the front part of its foot, toes and all (he didn’t cast or photograph it). He tracked the creature to a stack of big, circular hay bales – the rolled type, which weigh about 1000 pounds. Peter surmised that the creature had rested there inside the stack of bales: two bales had been pushed apart and one showed a clear compressed area, as if an enormous back had leaned into it.
The only explanation I have for what Peter says happened is that it did happen. At one point during a conversation about “the sasquatch problem,” when we were particularly struggling with its difficulty, I blurted in exasperation, “Did that really happen?”
Peter replied emphatically, “Yes, it really did.”
I pushed further; “Was there any possibility at all that it was a bear… a man?”
“No.” He was certain it was some other kind of animal, the same kind as what’s on the Patterson-Gimlin film, “a bigfoot,” he said.
In Canada during the period from WWI through WWII there was, and still lingers today, an open prejudice against immigrants from the Ukraine, Germany, and Austria. Under the 1914 War Measures Act Ukrainian Canadians were held in internment camps (1914 – 1920) as "enemy aliens,” as the United States government held people of Japanese descent during WWII. The First World War prompted racist attitudes against Germans and Austrians by some Canadians who saw the war as a defense of Anglo-Saxon “civilization” against German and Austrian aggression and militarism. And Peter’s father was an Austrian immigrant. Therefore Peter’s family fell under this prevailing negative gaze.
He described to me what it was like: You didn’t draw attention to yourself. “As long as you plowed and picked stones and kept your mouth shut, you were okay,” he said. And with regard to his shooting the creature: “You couldn’t talk about it. It was so out of place that… you couldn’t talk about it.” Implicit in Peter’s explanations on staying quiet: You did not announce that you had just shot to death a… man-like thing – not at that time when no one had heard of bigfoot (save the aboriginal population with their windigos, among other things). No, not when you’d been hunting moose without a license, and you were 17 years old. And certainly not when your father was Austrian.
And the other obvious question – Did I go to the spot where Peter shot the creature? – can be answered with a qualified yes. The first time I visited him, Peter told me that the country had changed a lot since that day. There had been big fires, and beavers had been re-introduced after a massive die off (contained in wooden boxes, they were dropped into lakes from helicopters, which they just chewed their way through, Peter explained). Years without their tree cutting and damming left the landscape and vegetation quite different from how it is now, with beavers. And the Interlake area is very flat; one acre looks much like the others. There were simply no landmarks for Peter to mark the spot by.
Of course I wanted to go “there” anyway, and asked Peter about it. “I don’t want to go into the bush anymore,” was his reply. He meant he’d had enough of the bush, that he was feeling too old for it. He said he thought it would be easier to find a new bigfoot than to locate his from 1941. That might have been so; it was really a matter of symbolism for me to go there, at least approximately (maybe exactly), where the thing had fallen – for the feeling of being in such a significant place.
When I visited him again that fall (when he was a few months older), I persuaded him to take me. And we did go… as far down the trail as his four-wheel-drive pick-up could make it, and on foot from there... deep into crazy-thick willows, aspen, black spruce, and cane near the lake: bush the type of which Peter had had his fill. We worked our way to the south-west “shore” of Basket Lake, (a low-water, tall-cane morass, frightening for its clear potential to hopelessly swallow any person who might go a little too far into it – and to imagine it on fire), then southwest a good half mile – about a half mile, give or take in most directions, Peter thought, from the spot. It was the best he could place us.
This is about the area, he said. And of course I looked at the ground, walked ahead and looked some more… for the skull, the foot bones, the jaw – all of it – any of it. No. I didn’t really expect to find anything, for the bones to even still be there. And I saw that if any of it did still exist that it would be impossible to find… under the forest duff, where ever it was within that square mile or so (or maybe not, maybe further this or that way) of monstrously thick bush. And, yes, I did feel a little bit bad pushing Peter into that, into making him take me there. I fixed him a fabulous roast beef dinner that evening, and he loved it.
Actually we had a terrific time together. One night we stayed up until 1:00 AM talking about bigfoot. Peter is a wonderful old guy: generous, intelligent, and well informed – the kind of person who in different circumstances might have gone far. But Peter has had a successful life by any measure. To feed his family he always grew a big garden (and still does), and for meat they had moose, deer, elk, and woodland caribou, which he provided with his gun. Now Peter is working on getting another 100,000 miles out of his 200,000 mile Chevy truck. I’m betting they’ll both make it.
Thanks to Michelle Baril, who lives not too far from Peter and introduced me to him. Michelle is a dedicated collector of Manitoba bigfoot sighting stories and continues to help me by generously sharing all that she has learned.
And thanks to Pat Barker, the Canadian artist who made the painting of the creature Peter shot, which are included in this report. Pat traveled a long way with her husband to visit Peter at his home, where they spent the day while Pat made sketches with Peter’s feedback to try and produce an accurate picture of the slain creature. Pat and I compared notes and discussed our impressions of the scene, and both Pat and I had follow-up phone conversations with Peter about things we wanted to understand correctly. I must say that Pat extracted many details about the creature’s appearance that I did not. Those are conveyed by the exquisite paintings she made in which she endeavored to accurately depict all she gathered.
Thanks to K.C. Charnes for introducing me to Pat Barker and for his help in preparing her painting images for display.
And finally, thanks to Peter; my friend. Thanks for telling your story, for enduring all the scornful treatment it has caused you, and for keeping your enthusiasm for this mysterious creature despite it.
The included photograph is of Peter showing me construction detail on a shed built by his father.
SEASON: Fall
MONTH: November
DATE: 16
PROVINCE: Manitoba
COUNTRY: Canada
LOCATION DETAILS: Approximately 15 miles west of Gypsumville, just southeast of Basket Lake.
NEAREST TOWN: Gypsumville
At the beginning of May of 2003 I took a trip into Manitoba to stay with a man with whom I’d been in telephone contact on and off for about a year. He was interested in sasquatch. Sasquatch in Manitoba, Canada, that province above western Minnesota and eastern North Dakota, which stretches north along Hudson Bay where polar bears make their living. It’s hundreds of miles of bush laced through with lakes – including the giants: Lakes Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Winnipegosis. In the winter it’s no place to be without a good plan, for keeping warm and fed and out of trouble, and the means to carry it out. Manitoba’s position in the upper middle of the North American land mass is too far from any reasonably warm winter grounds to imagine it as anything but the year-round home for animals found there, including sasquatch.
The man, “Peter,” had become interested in sasquatch because he told me he knew for certain they are real, and that they live there in Manitoba. He knew this for sure, he said, because he had a chance to look at one up close, after he’d shot and killed it: he flipped its hand over with the toe of his boot to have a look at its palm. It was very large and there were five fingers – one a thumb, like a man’s hand, he said.
The following account of the event came mainly from two visits I had with Peter: first in early May of 2003 when I stayed with him for three days, and in September of that year when he put me up again for two days. We also talked about the shooting incident several times by phone, before and since my visits. The word-for-word questions and Peter’s answers presented here were mostly from the May visit; we sat together in his home where he lives alone now. I taped our conversation. The reader will note a leading tendency in my questions. The prior discussions, I believe, are the cause of this.
It happened the first week of November, 1941, 62 years ago, when Peter was 17 years old. He’d gone hunting for moose with two friends around Basket Lake, a small lake about 15 miles west of Gypsumville, the town near where Peter grew up and has always lived. The two friends hunted the east side of Basket Lake; Peter wanted to go to the west side, which he knew was good for moose and elk. There was patchy snow on the ground and Peter found ambling moose tracks criss-crossing the area, indicating feeding animals.
The spotty snow made tracking difficult but he moved ahead: “…Sure enough, I did see one in the willows feeding with its head down, and it was a cow moose – no calf, I didn’t see a calf, and no horns, so I knew it was a cow. At that time the bulls still have their horns. But, in 1941 yet before the major fires, there were bush and willows so thick that you couldn’t believe it. So you had to shoot through willows, there’s not… you didn’t always have an open shot, so… take a chance. So I did shoot, because I knew… take one or two steps and… [It would be gone].”
Q: Where did you shoot, where did you try to hit her?
P: In the chest.
Q: Was she broadside to you?
P: Pretty well, but not fully broadside… and I did shoot, fired a shot… and I walked slowly and, yes, there was a little bit of blood on the right side, you know, as it’s running, you could see where it sprinkled a little. It didn’t look good; I could see I didn’t hit it properly. The bullet deviated from the brush. But I had no choice, then, and the blood made it a little easier to track it. There was blood here and there; you could tell you were on the right track. So I tracked her slowly, I’d say for a half hour, but very slowly.
And… I looked in the willows… again, and I could see all this hair, so I thought to myself ‘Well, I’ll slow you up,’ and I took a good aim and I fired. It disappeared… looked like I got it, so I walked up to it slowly… It wasn’t far, 45 yards, only – ‘cause that’s about as far as you could see in that stuff – if it was that far. But I took my time, because when you approach a big game animal you have to approach carefully. You carry your gun across your chest with your hand on the breach, ready to fire. If it wants to jump you, you have one good shot, point blank. Don’t raise the gun to your shoulder, just turn it and pull the trigger. That’s the last chance you got. Because a big game animal, he gets you, you’ve had it.
So I looked, I could see him… what the hell is this? Holy buckets! He’s lying there and one foot was up, you know… So I nudged him in the foot and slowly walked on this side, still hanging onto my rifle like I was supposed to, and I picked the hand up with my right foot, to see the bottom. And I walked around and I could see where I hit him, in the back, high in the back, between the shoulder blades, right in the back. It must have been bent over… because – to look at the moose track and the blood or something like that – I didn’t see a head.
I interrupted here, and to find out just how the thing was lying, I lay down on Peter’s kitchen floor and, according to his instructions, adjusted myself to match the creature’s position: I was on my right side with my right arm and hand pinned under my body. My left arm lay along my side and bent at the elbow so the hand was palm down on the ground in front of my belly. My face was pointed mostly at the ground but the left side showed fairly well. And my legs lay with the left foot’s sole showing (the foot was caught and held that way by brush, he said).
Peter explained that when he shot the animal he thought he was looking at the rear end of his moose (Peter's view of the animal: http://www.patbarker-art.com/1lores.html) and that, given that shot, he tried to put the bullet just above where the anus should be. He said it’s the only shot in that situation; the bullet travels above the gut just under the spine on up into the chest cavity where you want it. The creature had stood with its back to him; apparently it had been looking down (at the wounded moose’s trail?) because he didn’t see its head. And the big shoulders and back… he thought he was looking at the moose’s rump. His bullet, meant to enter and travel just below a moose’s back bone, had hit the animal between the shoulder blades, killing it on the spot. And this 1941-vintage 17-year-old who never heard of anything like a sasquatch looked upon the creature he had slain and wondered, and worried, and then became frightened. And he got out of there.
Q: What did you do then, did you literally run out of the woods?
P: No, I walked very fast… with three foot strides, I can tell you.
Q: What kind of gun were you using?
P: 38-55 Winchester.
Q: Oh, do you still have that gun?
P: No… in fact the RCMP man bought it for repairs because the barrel was wore out.
Q: An elk is real hard to turn over once it’s dead – to turn it over to skin it. It’s a lot of work. What about this creature, how big was it? Could you have turned it over?
P: Well, there’s a knack, like you say, about turning an animal over… It depends on how the brush is, but… I always carried a piece of stiff cord, good cord, where you could tie the leg up to a willow or a tree, one leg… and you could roll him over like nothing. In a half an hour I’ll dress a moose for you - not skin him, but ahh, gut him.
Q: So how big was this creature?
P: He was very… between… I would say… like, I’m a straight six feet, and he’d have been a foot and a half to two feet taller than I was – you know, just estimating.
Q: How about heaviness, I mean, could you have turned him over?
P: I didn’t try it – oh yeah, I could have turned him over but I’d have had to cut some willows to do that… See it’s very hard to estimate the weight when he’s covered with hair. I walked around him and thought, ‘Holy God, what the heck am I gonna do now? If there’s anymore of these things around I don’t want to be here.’ And I just got the heck out of there so fast you wouldn’t believe it. I don’t think I spent more than, maybe, eight minutes with him.
Q: You’ve seen a picture of the Patterson creature; do you think it looked about like that?
P: Very much so… well, I can describe his body. He has a big round chest. Huge! He’s got a big chest – really big.
Q: And there’s no skin showing?
P: No, I didn’t see any bare skin except a little on his face, on the side.
Q: What about the palms of his hands?
P: They were bare.
Q: And the bottoms of his feet?
P: Yeah [they were bare]… but they weren’t white… well, let’s see… he’s not a very hygienic creature, you know, he doesn’t wash or anything, so his skin is dirty and a little brown, but white like my dirty hands. Not only a little dirty… and heavy fingers, and big palms, and… opposed thumb. And a big palm, like… when I close my hand like this and cover my face…
Q: Really, so his palm was proportionately bigger than a human’s palm? That’s what you’re saying?
P: Yeah, it’s longer and deeper like it’s a big palm.
Q: What about the foot, does it match the footprints people have been casting?
P: Absolutely. The foot had five toes… on it, and the foot looks very flat foot, like, I have a high arch, you know, and his is completely very flat. And the foot… well I’m pretty good at estimating the lengths of different things – or at least I was – because when you’re a carpenter you get used to that. And I’d say his foot was around fifteen inches, fifteen and a half.
Q: So, did his coat look warm, his fur coat, was there a thick, dense, good undercoat?
P: Most animals have a underfur… and I didn’t notice that on that animal… that he had short fur underneath – of course I wasn’t… didn’t touch him and didn’t look at that.
Q: Witnesses always say, whenever they talk about it they say, ‘it was covered in hair,’ and I think, well you’d never describe a bear as being covered in hair, you’d never say that. You’d say it had fur. So why do people always describe bigfoot as being covered with hair?
P: Because it looks like hair.
Q: Well, that’s what I’m trying to get at… is why people say that, because it’s an animal, it’s covered in… fur, and yet for some reason, I don’t know, because it’s shaped like a man or something, they describe it as hair. And, you know, one of the characteristics of fur that makes it fur is that undercoat, that makes it dense. And if it didn’t have that undercoat you maybe would refer to it as just hair.
P: Well… it looks like hair, not like fur.
Q: I think that’s curious, that a northern animal like that, that has to survive here wouldn’t have a coat that was essentially like a bear’s, you know, with a good undercoat… that’s good and thick.
P: Well… you know what? You’re talking about a humanoid animal… But, all I can say, it looks like hair… not fur. You know, like a man lets his hair grow straggly and… you know, long… well that’s what it looks like, a hair. That’s why I say it’s hair, because it looks like hair.
Q: I think you told me before that the hair was about eight inches. Is that right? Maybe you can just tell me something about the general appearance of the fur – or hair, as you describe it.
P: I would say it wasn’t that long all over. But the hair hangin’ from his head, you know, and down his shoulders… and down his arms were quite long. You know when he was laying, like, sideways, well the hair from his head kind of covered the side of his face right down to his shoulders, you know.
Q: So how long would you say that that longer hair was?
P: Well, I would say it has to be six to eight inches long. I didn’t measure nothing… but it looked fairly long. You couldn’t see an ear of any kind, you know, but I still could see part of his face on one side.
Q: And then describe the hair on the rest of the body, was it uniform in length?
P: Well, no, not really. It seemed to be kinda long on the arms, you know? It was hair down the top of his hands, you know, and partly down his fingers, but shorter, you know, half inch to one inch, I would say roughly, but not right to the very tips, you know… But the top of the hand was covered… But… it was fairly long hair down the arm, too, you know, four, five, six inches, you know.
Q: Do you think it was also four, five, six inches along the legs and the torso of the animal?
P: Yeah, down the legs, too, you know, it was fairly long, about five to six inches, and it was… I noticed on the, the one leg that was up a little, you know, well, it was right down low, you know, to the bottom of his foot, the hair.
Q: And the color, the color of the hair… I think you told me was, ah, was reddish, didn’t you?
P: No, it was a dark brown.
Q: Dark brown. Okay.
P: Yeah, a dirty dark brown, I can’t say, but a dark brown, and it seemed to be a little… had some… the tops… well, I can’t remember exactly where… ah, had a, like a reddish overtone, you know?
Q: Oh yeah, okay. I understand.
P: Top of the hair in places, not all over, but in areas, you know, it was... looked to me it was kinda reddish.
Q: I need you to comment, again, about your thinking in not telling anybody about it. I mean that’s a very important point, and it’s an obvious question that everybody has.
P: Well, for one, I was very shocked… to see this thing. And, it was during the war years – World War II – and the thing was, people can be very funny, if you talk about something that’s out of line… right away you’re crazy, you’re not all there, you know. And I did a lot of thinking – myself, I could not place an animal in my brain, like that. Was it half human, half ape, or something like that?... The thing is, just a year or two ago people were calling me stupid in believing in such a thing… ‘you’re crazy to believe in those things’… Today! Never mind sixty years ago.
Here Peter told me how for a while he’d worked aboard an aircraft outfitted with skis, and traveled all over northern Manitoba where he talked with a lot of aboriginal people. From them he heard stories about something they saw, something that sounded like what he’d shot (“…and from their stories… they were seeing this thing, too, what I shot, I could make out…”).
Q: Okay, go back, though, to immediately after the killing occurred. Were you, ah, somewhat afraid of being prosecuted for killing something like that, or was it mostly a matter of, um, being thought crazy for?…
P: Not only that…
Q: But of course, Peter, also you have to… anyone would say that anybody that would have called you crazy… you could have brought them to the animal and proved that you really did it, that you weren’t crazy. So I need you to discuss why you didn’t do that.
P: Well, in the first place, I was with two older people. They were hunting going in a different – in the opposite direction. And it was not easy to do at that time, (Peter means it would not have been easy to show his hunting partners – or anyone – the animal since it was far from where the other two had gone, in a very remote spot). But, for one, I was hunting illegally. Do you know what I’m talkin’ about?
Q: No. In what way were you hunting illegally?
P: Well I had no license to hunt for moose.
Q: Oh, uh-huh.
P: I had no license… I may have had, I don’t remember, a deer license. But I didn’t… wasn’t fussy about shooting deer because they’re a small animal and you don’t get very much meat for a day’s work. You know what I mean?
Q: Sure, yes.
P: So I go… as long as I could get in the bush – well there was days I’d get two-three. Well, for a large family (Peter had 10 brothers and sisters) it was enough to supply meat for the winter... But I was strictly hunting illegally.
Q: So you didn’t want to reveal that fact by…
P: No, that fact alone. But, another thing, you hear these weird stories, especially in old days, about these guys living in hermits in the bush and… all that stuff. So you don’t really know what to think.
Q: So you thought, in some corner of your mind, you considered the possibility that it was one of these… one of these hermit-type people and you might have killed a…
P: It was a, a cross or something, one of these hermit people, people used to talk about. I didn’t want to be charged with shooting a hermit, or something human.
Q: So you thought that it was a possibility that it was something like that and that you could be in legal trouble for revealing it, is that right?
P: That’s right. See, because, at those days nobody talked about a Sasquatch or… or a, a Bigfoot.
Q: So when you walked up on that animal and you were looking it over and stuff, did you determine where its tracks came from, whether it had been tracking your moose?
P: No. It would be hard to see tracks, because there were small amounts of snow – hay and everything… and I didn’t look. I was too scared.
Q: And so… it was done breathing, it was not alive?
P: Oh no, it took me…
Q: Do you think you shot it through the heart?
P: Well, the bullet didn’t enter the body at a ninety degree angle… He had to be bent over because when you hit a animal on a angle it will shear part of the fur before it will enter. And that’s what it looked like to me, of course it was so much hair it was so much harder to tell.
During a recent phone call Peter said: “The bullet had to go through the spine, because it was dead center in the back. And when a bullet hits bone like that it expands and it would have gone into the chest and done tremendous damage.” The creature was “stone dead,” lying crumpled where it had been standing when he fired.
(How the creature looked: http://www.patbarker-art.com/2lores.html)
Q: Can you still go back in your mind and remember that scene in your mind’s eye; is that memory still vivid for you?
P: Oh… certain things in your memory – it coulda happened yesterday. You don’t forget things like that. The most shocking part about it is the sheer size of the animal.
Q: Really?
P: Yes. It’s just unbelievable because anything that big should have been seen and reported and in books and everything. You think you’re on a different planet or something.
Q: Was it a male, do you know?
P: Yes, it would be a male, because I’d have seen the breasts.
Q: Did you see genitals?
P: No, because the way he was laying on the side, kind of folded up.
(Front view of creature: http://www.patbarker-art.com/3lores.html)
Q: So tell me a little bit more about the appearance of it, you said it had a real big chest, barrel chest…
P: Big barrel chest. A human body, like yours, the chest, you know, well it’s flat in front to back. But theirs is big, round, barrel chest…
Peter was just shy of his 79th birthday (he’s just 80 at this writing) when I visited him. The next two days he took me around to show me places where others have had bigfoot (or windigo, as some of the natives call it) sightings. Two of the witnesses were women, residents of the Fairford Reserve, who had had recent sightings – one just two days prior to my arrival and the other about three weeks before that.
In the late sixties/early seventies, after the Patterson-Gimlin film brought bigfoot into the public consciousness – and into Peter’s consciousness – he realized what the animal was that he had shot. When he saw the hair covered creature in that film he immediately knew that what he killed in 1941 was the same kind of animal. It was not some strange hybrid person, a thought that had occurred to him as he looked, puzzled, worried, and then frightened over the huge man-like creature his bullet had cut down. No, it was the same kind of animal as the one in the film taken by Roger Patterson in northern California. That’s what it was! A bigfoot.
After Peter’s life loosened up some, when the children had gone and he’d cut back on his work and had a little time, his interest in sasquatch developed. He talked freely about the 1941 incident around his community. Others offered their own stories of sightings of such a creature or its tracks.
I’d asked Peter if that early life incident, the killing of such a thing, as frightening and upsetting as that must have been, had troubled him during his subsequent life before he’d come to realize what it was. No, he said. He got married, they had eight children, he worked hard as a farmer, carpenter, and commercial fisherman on Lake Winnipeg; he just didn’t have time to worry, he explained. So for about 30 years Peter lived his life and told no one about the 1941 killing. But he didn’t forget. And when he saw the Patterson-Gimlin film and knew what a bigfoot, a sasquatch – a windigo – was, he knew they were not just in the Pacific Northwest; they were there in the Manitoba bush, too.
We’ve gone over it many times and I’m convinced Peter did what he said he did: he shot a good-sized male sasquatch to death in 1941 when he was just 17. There has been no hint of untruthfulness or indication that he was or is not thinking clearly about that event. If anything, Peter has been understated and overcautious in his statements to me about that day. At first I had a hard time getting him to tell me about it. Instead he has wanted to talk about recent sightings. He just wasn’t interested in it anymore; it’s old news to him. And he has told a lot of people about it (local people, mostly), and the response he’s gotten from them has been pretty negative; he’s been called stupid, crazy, and a liar. That is how it goes for people like Peter who have had a close encounter with a sasquatch – and talked about it. It’s punishing.
Beyond that Peter has the attitude that since he can’t prove it happened, his story isn’t really worth telling, that it’s just another unsupportable claim. (Undoubtedly he has come to that conclusion over the years – because he has talked about it, told the story, and instead of being believed he has gotten grief for it.) So Peter doesn’t care whether or not his story is told because he doesn’t think it matters. What matters to him now are the current sightings, the ones that could yield evidence to prove sasquatches are there, have always been there, in the Manitoba bush.
And recently, when I commented to him on what a remarkable experience it was, how fortunate, (obviously apart from the fact that it involved the killing of such a creature), he was to have seen a sasquatch close up… he said, not really, that it wasn’t a situation where he could appreciate it, and that he was scared. He wishes he’d seen it alive and moving, like the William Roe sighting, he said. But in the more than sixty years since, with all the hunting and time in the bush he’s spent, he hasn’t seen another one. He has seen a track, one good track, however.
That was in association with a 1979 sighting in which several other people saw the creature when it moved through the area. It was near where Peter lived and he got onto it and was able to track the animal’s movements through a strip of bush and out into a hay field where it stepped on an ant mound and left a good impression of the front part of its foot, toes and all (he didn’t cast or photograph it). He tracked the creature to a stack of big, circular hay bales – the rolled type, which weigh about 1000 pounds. Peter surmised that the creature had rested there inside the stack of bales: two bales had been pushed apart and one showed a clear compressed area, as if an enormous back had leaned into it.
The only explanation I have for what Peter says happened is that it did happen. At one point during a conversation about “the sasquatch problem,” when we were particularly struggling with its difficulty, I blurted in exasperation, “Did that really happen?”
Peter replied emphatically, “Yes, it really did.”
I pushed further; “Was there any possibility at all that it was a bear… a man?”
“No.” He was certain it was some other kind of animal, the same kind as what’s on the Patterson-Gimlin film, “a bigfoot,” he said.
In Canada during the period from WWI through WWII there was, and still lingers today, an open prejudice against immigrants from the Ukraine, Germany, and Austria. Under the 1914 War Measures Act Ukrainian Canadians were held in internment camps (1914 – 1920) as "enemy aliens,” as the United States government held people of Japanese descent during WWII. The First World War prompted racist attitudes against Germans and Austrians by some Canadians who saw the war as a defense of Anglo-Saxon “civilization” against German and Austrian aggression and militarism. And Peter’s father was an Austrian immigrant. Therefore Peter’s family fell under this prevailing negative gaze.
He described to me what it was like: You didn’t draw attention to yourself. “As long as you plowed and picked stones and kept your mouth shut, you were okay,” he said. And with regard to his shooting the creature: “You couldn’t talk about it. It was so out of place that… you couldn’t talk about it.” Implicit in Peter’s explanations on staying quiet: You did not announce that you had just shot to death a… man-like thing – not at that time when no one had heard of bigfoot (save the aboriginal population with their windigos, among other things). No, not when you’d been hunting moose without a license, and you were 17 years old. And certainly not when your father was Austrian.
And the other obvious question – Did I go to the spot where Peter shot the creature? – can be answered with a qualified yes. The first time I visited him, Peter told me that the country had changed a lot since that day. There had been big fires, and beavers had been re-introduced after a massive die off (contained in wooden boxes, they were dropped into lakes from helicopters, which they just chewed their way through, Peter explained). Years without their tree cutting and damming left the landscape and vegetation quite different from how it is now, with beavers. And the Interlake area is very flat; one acre looks much like the others. There were simply no landmarks for Peter to mark the spot by.
Of course I wanted to go “there” anyway, and asked Peter about it. “I don’t want to go into the bush anymore,” was his reply. He meant he’d had enough of the bush, that he was feeling too old for it. He said he thought it would be easier to find a new bigfoot than to locate his from 1941. That might have been so; it was really a matter of symbolism for me to go there, at least approximately (maybe exactly), where the thing had fallen – for the feeling of being in such a significant place.
When I visited him again that fall (when he was a few months older), I persuaded him to take me. And we did go… as far down the trail as his four-wheel-drive pick-up could make it, and on foot from there... deep into crazy-thick willows, aspen, black spruce, and cane near the lake: bush the type of which Peter had had his fill. We worked our way to the south-west “shore” of Basket Lake, (a low-water, tall-cane morass, frightening for its clear potential to hopelessly swallow any person who might go a little too far into it – and to imagine it on fire), then southwest a good half mile – about a half mile, give or take in most directions, Peter thought, from the spot. It was the best he could place us.
This is about the area, he said. And of course I looked at the ground, walked ahead and looked some more… for the skull, the foot bones, the jaw – all of it – any of it. No. I didn’t really expect to find anything, for the bones to even still be there. And I saw that if any of it did still exist that it would be impossible to find… under the forest duff, where ever it was within that square mile or so (or maybe not, maybe further this or that way) of monstrously thick bush. And, yes, I did feel a little bit bad pushing Peter into that, into making him take me there. I fixed him a fabulous roast beef dinner that evening, and he loved it.
Actually we had a terrific time together. One night we stayed up until 1:00 AM talking about bigfoot. Peter is a wonderful old guy: generous, intelligent, and well informed – the kind of person who in different circumstances might have gone far. But Peter has had a successful life by any measure. To feed his family he always grew a big garden (and still does), and for meat they had moose, deer, elk, and woodland caribou, which he provided with his gun. Now Peter is working on getting another 100,000 miles out of his 200,000 mile Chevy truck. I’m betting they’ll both make it.
Thanks to Michelle Baril, who lives not too far from Peter and introduced me to him. Michelle is a dedicated collector of Manitoba bigfoot sighting stories and continues to help me by generously sharing all that she has learned.
And thanks to Pat Barker, the Canadian artist who made the painting of the creature Peter shot, which are included in this report. Pat traveled a long way with her husband to visit Peter at his home, where they spent the day while Pat made sketches with Peter’s feedback to try and produce an accurate picture of the slain creature. Pat and I compared notes and discussed our impressions of the scene, and both Pat and I had follow-up phone conversations with Peter about things we wanted to understand correctly. I must say that Pat extracted many details about the creature’s appearance that I did not. Those are conveyed by the exquisite paintings she made in which she endeavored to accurately depict all she gathered.
Thanks to K.C. Charnes for introducing me to Pat Barker and for his help in preparing her painting images for display.
And finally, thanks to Peter; my friend. Thanks for telling your story, for enduring all the scornful treatment it has caused you, and for keeping your enthusiasm for this mysterious creature despite it.
The included photograph is of Peter showing me construction detail on a shed built by his father.
Nother good post...Thank You Peter!!
ReplyDeleteIt is a man in a monkey suit.
DeleteYes, I agree. Definitely a painting of a guy in a monkey suit laying down.
Deletehey smeja, you are the f-ing monster my man! i ain't buying that B.S. one bit! that i used to think they were monsters at that time. i hope you get yours someday tool! i wonder if the monster shot your wife and her brother how you would feel. oh yea guys like you don't feel you just pull the trigger! hey smeja, in my neck of the woods they call super-tools like you "pure white trash"!
ReplyDeleteGo in the woods armed, see something youve never seen that looks like a giant monster, and see what the result will be. Seriously people, you werent there, stop passing judgement and saying how the guy shoudlve acted.
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DeleteYeah, I feel so sorry for his wife. This man can't make a decision with a gun in his hand and the ability to see if something lives or dies. What a freaking nightmare to sleep next to this lying monster.
DeleteNo Autumn i saw a recnt pic of you here and i must tell you it woud be a complete nightmare to sleep next to you. Youd need a strong stomach, an imagination and deep sea diving equip to make anything "happen." of all people you should talk.
DeleteThat was sort of uncalled for. What is it that makes you cowards hide behind anonymous S/N's and take cheap shots at people? Is this a result of Daddy touching your "No-No's" one too many times or some type of compensation for feeling insignificant?
Delete@Anon-8:07..Autumn is one BEAUTIFUL red head. You are a complete TOOL!! P.S. You are a Douche Bag on top of being a TOOL!!Bigdad!
DeleteThank y'all. No doubt it's just Smeja being the dickless wonder that he is.
DeleteThat's NOT Smeja autumn. Idk who that is. The sand paper comment from months back sure that was me. I have been minding my own business lately and not commenting at all. Even when its about me. I don't care to fight or through rocks or insult. I don't have energy for such things life's short..
DeleteI get online to enjoy myself make friends learn encourage and be encouraged. Lately this sites been a nameless aray of insults and jabs. Others constantly be littling strangers but not willing to own their words. Cowards.
Say what you will about me or my story. Ill live. Forgive me if I don't react or interact. I've heard it all by now.
I'm not going into defensive mode. Call me a phsyco liar whatever. Oh btw if I'm lying the whole DNA thing must be a joke. Right? I mean that or I just somehow found some bf sent in some bf flesh and made up a far fetched story. After all the good Dr confirmed its the real deal. Well nevermind really don't worry about it.
Justin
Anon @ 6:29am Dude he was in his truck! He wasn't back packing in the woods 8 miles deep with no options he was hunting from the road and shooting from a vehicle! (Which is illegal here in Cali)
DeleteAnon @ 8:07am Dude your a sad man. Why must you hate? I'm 30 and I would have no problem with Autumn in my bed she is gorgeous. So why your at home with your cock shaped pillow all alone crying at night wondering why no one loves you, and staring at your Star Wars poster wishing Princess Leia was real and how much fun you in the Ewolks would have, at least Autumn has options.
Be a man! It's St.Paddys day drink a black and tan and take a shot of Jameson while eating some corn beef (that will put hair on your peaches) after that go out and try to find a women that hot.
Bigfoots Broski
Justin, what's up buddy! Honestly you shot something and that can't be denied one bit. What you shot I just don't know, but as an outdoorsmen myself who hunts near where this incident occured I tend to believe hunters more than other people. Seems like we share the same blood if that makes sense, but as a conservationist (which most hunters are) why didn't you just get back in the truck and take a picture of it? I mean dude you broke a few laws there.
DeleteIt's a catch 22 you could have been the guy to prove Squatch is real, but you could also end up in jail or fined or lose your hunting privileges. I'm not hating at all I just wanna know what was racing through your mind.
Bigfoots Broski
@zabbo and Autumn
DeleteI generally I agree with you AUTUMN, but
1.you have no call to bring up the mans wife.
2. you obviously don't like hunting in any form, will i find beef or chicken in your fridge? Hunters fill them themselves. (i know that was not the case here, so save it) People KILL animals everyday to feed you!!
3. I doubt very seriously if either one of you have any clue as to the "tailspin" your brain goes into "during" a sighting. Cops mistakinly shoot PEOPLE. And you all want to pull "LORDSHIP OF THE PLANET" AND DECIDE FOR ALL! KISS MY ASS!
OR--- DON'T TREAD ON ME!!
4.I tangle pretty hard here and call people names, but after Autumn calling someone a "bag of dogshit" (EVEN RICK WHO I ALSO DON'T LIKE) yesterday, I'd say she has kinda givin up her "lady" statis AND DESERVES TO TAKE THE HIT.
5. you lib's really need to give up on the Idea that it's YOUR CALL ABOUT THE WORLD, IT AIN'T------- SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO HUNT!
6. WE have know freaking clue what the true nature of this animal is, 80 something posts yesterday about rights, reservations, protection.
----Absolute collection of IDIOTS.
7.How the hell do we protect what we can't even get a clear pic of?
8. In the name of sqatchery, no more blobsquatches!!!!
Autumn, please post a clear and CURRENT pic of yourself as your avitar.
Cause yours AV is kinda missleading huh, better days gone by!
9. Have all of you considered his kill maybe (i don't believe it was left on the hill) the one piece that truly helps the Melba project proove the point!
10 You libs argue all the time for sympathy and understanding of nature and to not hurt the poor animals, right befor your cheesburger lunch, you people have consumed the window pain and dropped down the rabbithole. You slaughter human rights everyday. You people say " I'd like to shoot someone who hurts one"
really------------
I dobt very seriuosly if Rick is Dickless, do you have proof???????????
I'll call the guy a DICK, and ASSHOLE, MOORON, IDIOT, BUT IT AINT YOUR PLACE TO CALL OUT HIS MANHOOD UNLESS YOU WANT TO PUT ON SOME PANTS, IN WHICH CASE, YOU MIGHT GET SMACKED IN THE MOUTH.
I DON'T LIKE COWARD ANON'S EITHER,
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THINK OF ANY WOMAN AS A "LADY" FIRST, AND I DO LIKE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR OPINIONS.
IT'S OK TO BE A NATURALIST / ENVIRONMENTALIST IF YOU WISH, OR WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE OF YOUR-SELF.
IT IS NOT OK TO IMPOSE YOUR VIEWS ON OTHERS CAUSE THIS IS THE "GOD BLESSED" U.S.A. WHERE WE HAVE FREEDOM AND RIGHTS TO PURSUE HAPPINESS, FOR SOME THATS HUNTING, GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!
BY THE WAY, I DON'T OWN A GUN OR HUNT ANYMORE! BUT I BELIEVE IN OTHERS RIGHTS TO DO SO.
As Justin tells it, I don't think I would have pulled the trigger!
BUT I WAS NOT THERE, UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!
I DON'T (AND YOU DON'T) KNOW WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH HIS HEAD!
It really amazes me how some can speculate how everyone should act when faced with terror or the unknown. You see all different kinds of reactions from people in different situations some people cry at weddings, some don't. Some people cry at funerals, some don't. Some people are afraid of the dark, some aren't. Some people get excited at fires or murder scenes, most don't.. So to say that you would of acted differently than Justin did is a bunch of hogwash. No one knows just how they will react when faced in a situation they don't live with from day to day..
Delete@ANON ABOVE----YES, ESACTLY!!!!!!!!!
Delete@ Leon...It would be just like Rick to hit a woman.Don't know you and wouldn't want to,but man,chill out.It's just the internet!lol!Bigdad.
DeleteEXACTLY----OH MY SPELLING
DeleteAnd you know Rick would hit a woman because ??????????
DeleteBroski. Feel free to contact me on Facebook or email. I would be more then willing to share my thoughts with you. I'd be interested in talkin to anyone who has spent time hunting in the seirras. I've posted my inner most thoughts about the shooting time and again only to have them mocked. Justin
DeleteLeon,
DeleteThank you for your rant. I wish that you would stop to consider that behind your computer there is a real person reading your words. I think that you (and others on this site) need to be more objective about adding to the discussion. I don't disagree with you that a death may be what it takes to save them. I do have a few points to make out.
1. First of all, about Autumn being sorry for his wife, at the beginning there is something about Justin's wife saying how hard it is, making Autumn's sympathy valid.
2. Regardless of your views, you have to agree that some parts of Justin's story are harsh, for instance killing the baby bigfoot. (And yes, although I don't hunt, I do own guns, and I am not against hunting.)
3. Even if you don't believe she deserves the epithet of lady, it still isn't an excuse to be rude. I, personally, think that you went overboard in the above post, but I am still willing to treat you like a gentleman.
4. I think there is nothing wrong with a polite anonymous, although I wish they'd give us a nickname or initials or something.
Are you seriously asking that question?Lets see,known hoaxer and still trying to get his 15 minutes in the limelight.This man has no shame at all.But I really don't know if he does or not.Man,no one has a sense of humor any more.Bigdad.
DeleteJustin will do. I'm not a Facebook guy at all. I will have to get your email address and we can chat about it.
DeleteBigfoots Broski
Where did you see that Justin's WIFE wrote anything?
DeleteZabo, makes comment about shooting justin's wife????????
Autumn makes comment about feeling sorry for his wife?
Please re-read original post.
@ Anon @ 1030 I'm assuming of course your talking about why I wondered why he did not just get back in the truck. Obviously instead of calling Justin names like coward or murderer I wondered why Justin wouldn't. I have no clue how I would react either. I have come across Grizzly and Moose while hunting and have always kept my cool, but if I came across a Squatch I may act different. Who knows
DeleteBigfoots Broski
Also, @ kittalia above on your point 3. What DOES give Autumn the right to be rude,
DeleteAnd what restrains my right to be rude?????
As i stated, i generally like Autumn.
If your going to step in the ring, you better be prepared!
Justin if you wanna BS about this maybe answer a few questions and talk about the hunting in the Sierras please hit me up bud. Thinkblue1688@yahoo.com
DeleteBigfoots Broski
I need to post a correction.
DeleteAutumn did not call rick a bag of shit.
It was about Fasano --- same priciple
She called him a,
"dogs but drag stain"--- same principle.
Although obviously this species shouldn't be hunted, if the shooting leads to the discovery of Bigfoot, and helps Ketchum's study, I believe the outcome will be good.
DeleteAll animals die. Is one death better than another? The end result is the same. However, a bullet is faster than the drawn-out deaths humans suffer because we do not take care of ourselves.
Good work, Justin!
--anonymous coward
Nice posts Leon, autumn aka sharon is mouthy & self-indignant.
DeleteI like how they write it as if the Sierra Kills story is factual.
ReplyDeletei LIKE HOW YOU THINK YOU KNOW BEST, AND YOU REALLY HAVE NO FU--ING IDEA WEATHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteSTUPID JACKASS!
Leon
DeleteListen to Justin's words on that youtube link I posted... He first thought it was a bear. He then saw it through his scope from the truck. Where was the "heat of the moment" here. How can you be that threatened by something that far away?
I understand what you are saying but the guys own testimony paints a pretty good picture. Even if it was a bear how he did it would have been illegal.
Because your brain can go into total overload when you see somthing that "DOES NOT COMPUTE!!"
DeleteOr, when you get screamed at by an animal so loud that "It does not compute!"
I know, I've had the experience!
Again, "in hindsight, in the calm and safety of my office chair, I don't think I would have shot."
But, I wasn't there and it isn't my call!
Nice post Shawn, noticed though his physical description contains no new information!
ReplyDeleteOh no it gets worse than that. Aside from shooting something that in his own words, was what he saw in his scope (And this threatened him.) he went on to say that the two juveniles looked like "Black kids" and yet he shot them anyway???
ReplyDeleteWhen I first heard of this Justin Smeja incident, I thought it was complete BS. But when I actually heard the guy on a talk radio show, my opinion changed. I don't think we was lying.
He kept stating that he wished he hadn't done it, but the tone of his voice was indifferent and at points in the convo there were hints of joy in his voice during his recollection as if he was reliving a fuzzy memory. That guy is a sociopath and I hope they do end up being a subspecies of human so he fries.
At least the guy mentioned in the story above is a simple idiot who was shooting at something without first identifying what he was shooting at. But Justin Smeja is the worst kind of douche-bag. To state that these things were talking to each other, say they looked like black kids and then shoot them anyway just proves that some people should be barred from getting a hunting license without a psych-eval.
No one will ever get the death penalty for shooting a Bigfoot. You are a Goon. John
DeleteYOUR MY BUD TZ, BUT YOU CAN'T IMPOSE YOUR THOUGHTS INTO A CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH YOU WERE NOT A PARTY.
DeleteiT'S LIKE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE, BEST DECISIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS MADE.
BUT YOU WANT TO FRY A "HUMAN"
FOR SHOOTINGT A SQUATCH?????
HITLER DECIDED WHAT WAS BEST FOR OTHER PEOPLE, AND HE FRIED THEM IN OVENS!!!!
iS THIS WHAT YOU LIBS WANT!!!!!
"AnonymousMar 17, 2012 10:20 AM
DeleteNo one will ever get the death penalty for shooting a Bigfoot. You are a Goon. John"
Depends on just how human it is. But that is besides the point. Basically he stated that he was not sure weather or not it was human, then says it looked like a minster and then fired. He could have just as easily been shooting a homeless guy for all he knew. Maybe next time he will?
@leon
DeleteIt was mostly venting lol... the part of how the young ones were looking for the parent and even talking to one another and then he shoots them, sort of got to me. yes i know he won't get the Death penalty for it. Even if they do turn out to be in the Homo Genus there would most likely be some sort of grandfather clause if they ever are scientifically proven to exist. No I am not no liberal tree hugger, I am as conservative as they come. But to kill creatures that show language capability and are obviously showing concern for their parent... Well that is as wrong as placing Michael Jackson's body in a Chucky-Cheese ball crawl...
TZ, in the story above, the "simple Idiot" as you call him was in the middle of freaking know-where, had been tracking a moose, had killed moose here before, and then sees what looks like the backend of a moose. So he shoots it!
Deleteto feed his family!!!!!!
WHY IS HE A SIMPLE IDIOT?????????
How? He was not 100% sure what it was. It was a mistake and we all do stupid things. But what if it were a guy in a fur coat? It was unfair of me to call the guy a "simple idiot" he made an idiotic move. Justin, however is another story.
DeleteYes, I think the circumstances between the two stories are greatly different.
DeleteJustine, If you read here, Could you maybe just elaborate here about what the emotion was when you spotted it / them?
Where you experiencing some adrenaline?
I took a scream that gave the hardest adrenaline rush of my life and -----
i race motorcycles
i race cars
i skydive
i bridgejump
i have experienced numerous bad situations caused by people-- gangs!
i have walked into robberies.
i have been in the depest of woods completely alone at night, damn scarry!
Where you pounding inside??
Oh, TZ. I'm really, really, really sorry for calling you a lib / tree hugger. I made poor assumptions!
DeleteI believe you have served in law inforcement, thank you for service.
It's a vile, vile thing to be called a tree hugger as it imparts such a negative image of a complete emotional idiot, void of logic and understanding for mankind! Again, I apologize.
I must try not to use such nasty, vulgar discusting words like lib, tree-huggar, environmentalist.
The pitch , schwing, crack, four bases!!!
I see you THINKING, TZ. Good man!!
THATS ALL I CAN ASK FOR!
MY BUD!
Leon, didn't you used to be a regular poster to Robert Lindsay's blog?
Deleteno, don't care for him and never heard of him until i came here!
DeleteI remember this.
ReplyDeleteDidn't it turn out to be a hoax?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Justin Smeja or the posted thing?
DeleteI am not sure about what is posted but it would not be a hoax, just a lie if it isn't true.
As for the Justin Smeja incident, he never found the body after the kill. But later found some kind of dismembered corps and took pieces of the hide. (I am not sure how that turned out.)
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE HE GOT ALL THOSE PEOPLE UP ON THAT MOUNTAIN WITH ONLY A STORY?????????
DeleteWOULD YOU HAVE LEFT WITH NO PROOF????
I WOULD MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT A (HUMAN) BEFORE I SHOWED THE BODY???
YOU KNOW, GET SOME SCIENTIST ENVOLVED??
READ BETWEEN THE LINES?
uhhh You do realize this happened in 1941 right?
DeleteIf your asking me TZ, yes, I read the MOOSE story years ago and know that it happened in 41,
DeleteCome on folks. This whole Sierra Kills story is BS from top to bottom.
ReplyDeleteI thought so as well at first. But before getting into Law Enforcement I started out as a corrections Officer and then later a Correctional Drill Instructor. After a while, you sort of learn how to tell who the liars are. Normally they pause a-lot or stretch their words especially if it is about something that supposedly happened past tense. When filling out an incident report, the few that would tell the truth are snappy. You ask a question and it is instantly answered back. Sometimes while they are answering, they remember something important to their story and will talk over themselves. Justin Smeja does all that
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0GZ7K6Ih0
Please...Smeja has changed the facts of his story numerous times, his story does not add up the way he tells it and he certainly comes across as a liar. Any idiot can see that. I'd be willing to put up the money for a lie detector test to see if his so-called incident happened as he said. He'd never do it because he's lying. If he did shoot any bigfoot at all, it was probably done in the most underhanded poacher fashion like setting up a baiting station and sitting behind a blind as he shot the foot. That's the only way I could see Smeja doing it. On the interview he seemed to have admitted to bending the hunting rules (e.g. poaching) in the past. I don't trust that guy in the least. Anyone that does was merely seeking some ridiculous glory from his would-be horrible act.
DeleteFirst off, If he is a sociopath, he will pass a lie detector. As for his story, That feed is the only thing I heard him say. I know Robert Lindsay supposedly interviewed him, but I take those "quotes" with a grain of salt. But if you know of another interview, I would like to hear it. But as for this interview, I don't detect him lying. He is answering too fast and at time both him and his buddy will chime in at the same time. It could be rehearsed but he does not seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer.
DeleteI see people make that comment a lot. "His story has changed multiple times". I have been involved with this story way before most anyone else heard about it. I am also a bfro member and I have questioned many a witnesses. I would like to ask the above poster where exactly did SMEJA change his story?
DeleteI heard about the shooting far before many in the bf community did. I can tell you first hand he has NOT changed his story at all. Whatever BS Robert Lindsay's posts Justin can not control and I know he has corrected robert over a dozen times. Whether or not you believe his story is up to you. But please point out to me website and link where he changed his story. He has hardly told his story most people are telling it for him.
Smeja is lying, theres no flow to the story and at one point in the interview he refers to the little ones as cubs.
DeleteV.P.
If he had "Flow" to his story I would think he was lying. That is a sign of it being rehearsed. His behavior suggests that he is remembering.
DeleteHe has reffured to them several times as cubs when talking to me. He calls them kids or cubs. What difference does that make? I think its just how he sees them. Or he doesn't know how to spell juvenile.
DeleteTim
Not buying it guys, sorry. Smeja is lying point blank.
DeleteThis story is better but has it's own holes. You should think his first shot at the moose would have scared away the bf. Also did'nt his friends hear his shots and ask questions. He also stated that it was so hard to get to that he didnt want to take his buddies back in to see it. Well how was he planning to get the moose out? You dont pack out a moose by yourself. At least not all of it.
What would his lack of being able to spell juvenile have to do with telling the story orally. The audio version is what im talking about. It's pure crap.
DeleteV.P.
I really don't think he is lying at all. My degree is in Criminology, and its easy to see that a piece here and there may change but the descriptions, actions, and timelines all stay the same. As a story is told more its human nature to add or takeaway from stories. I don't think he went back for the.corpse later I think he took one of the kids bodies though. That is usually where he gets confused in the story.
DeleteOh and to Anon don't brag about the whole BFRO thing. Something I wouldn't really be that proud of. It'd like saying you are part of the NRA and your a weapons expert or the NAACP members who think they know all about human rights and freedoms. It's a title bought not earned.
Bigfoots Broski
This Sierra Kills story has zero evidence. Some of you people are taking it as truth based on someone's story.
DeleteThere are many people who can lie so convincingly that they can fool their own mother.
He is absolutely lying. Listen buddy, I was trained to pick up lies in voices and body for corporate negotiations. Not only does his voice flux in the negative during key questions but his story has changed. Initially, he talked about coming upon human like feces on the road and finally leading to this field where they saw the bigfoot. Now none of that story is discussed. He claimed that they never found the adult that was grey, yet the samplings that they both had in their possession and hid from DNR were supposedly the grey hair type that was turned over to the Ketchum project. The young were suppose to be cinammon. So many lies and inconsistencies. The guy comes across as a liar and no doubt his story is fabricated. My money say that hi did this in a poacher like fashion if it happened at all. It's his style and I can hear in his voice that he exudes no semblance of ethics. You Olympic guys can take that to the bank because your story and his story has tremendous inconsistencies.
DeleteLike I said I think you are wrong, but that is just my opinion. His timeline has stayed the same small things change which is normal in a story, but majority has stayed strong. I think he sounds like a guy who opened his mouth to quick and now realizes he broke the law. That is why he says he called CDFG and asked no charges be filed if he comes in. I just think he did something wrong and isn't sure how to handle it.
DeleteBigfoots Broski
WHERE THER IS SMOKE, THERES FIRE.
DeleteYOU PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT WETHER HIS STORY IS TRUE OR NOT!
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!
What smoke? What fire?
DeleteA guy claims to have shot two bigfoot and has zero evidence to support this story, and we're supposed to believe that it is true and not question it?
Hmmm? I would think that the vast majority of society would seriously question such a claim, and rightfully so.
This story is in the theoretical world anyway, cryptozoology. I don't know how to spell that ha ha ha.
DeleteSo we start from a stange premise anyway.
If you can't except that notion, you will find this a very fustrating endeavor and should probably move on to something more tangeble like fishing or golf or something!
It's total BS.
DeleteOne key factor in this story. The BFRO representative constantly keeps leading the man into saying it's an animal and that it has fur. For the most part, he keeps referring to the hair as hair and not fur. People have body hair and animals have fur. Big distinction. This guy is a true man and a hunter with ethics. Any hunter that would knowingly shoot anything on two feet has no ethics, is not a hunter but a worm of a poacher and should be shot himself.
ReplyDeleteIt's yet another bigfoot BS tall tale. Nothing on two feet was shot.
DeleteYet another BLOWHARD speaking of which,..... he know's nothing!
DeleteInteresting read and seems plausible. You can never really know a person's inclination for story telling until you are around them for awhile. The investigator seems to have that in mind.
ReplyDeleteGreat story. Well written. Thank you all for that.
ReplyDeleteVote on your opinion of Ketchum:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f64baece4b0427d6702fdbf
Leon, your caps lock is on. Just FYI...
ReplyDeleteGETS ATTENTION, HUH!
DeleteAnother story of a brave hunter out there without a license, and shooting something before identifying it? SHOCKING.
ReplyDeleteHey Justin, let me know when you go out there hunting again...a bunch of us want to meet you.
Hey Justin, let me know when you go Hunting again, I'll have your Back.
DeleteYou stupid asses better stay out of the forrest, you'll get lost and a hunter will have to come save you!
or, why don't you all where bigfoot costumn's when you come!
Hey Leon. It is "wear", not "where". As in "to wear a Bigfoot costume". Just trying to help you and Justin out with the use of our language.
DeleteWhere does this come from? Not having a hunting license? He is a hunting guide a trapper and licensed fishing guide in Alaska. Of course he has a hunting license...... Where do you get your info anon? He is basically a hunting celebrity well known for all the animals he has legally taken.
Delete@ anon 11;56, you are correct.
DeleteI'm just trying to help you out with your incredibly stupid logic!!!
A hunting "celebrity" huh? That is a good one... One persons celebrity is another persons poacher I suppose.
DeleteThe only thing you know about poaching has to do with a pot of water and a chicken egg, dipshit!
Delete"Justin Smeja is the hunter who shot and killed two Bigfoots near Gold Lake, CA in 2010"
ReplyDeleteYou are writing that as if it is a fact.
It is bullshit.
Yup. It's BS. What's surprising is that so many people seem to be falling for it.
DeleteProve it's B.S.
DeleteProve that everyone else around you isn't really an alien that originated from another planet?
DeleteThis story is about as true as that lying clown on the BFF who claims to have found the Patterson Bigfoot suit. I'm surprised this great site hasn't opened a discussion about that.
ReplyDeleteAre you refering to
Delete1. Peters story?
2. Justin's story?
In either case, you claim the story is BS, there by, you would be "de-bunking" or the "de-bunker" of story # 1 or 2.
In your second point in the first sentence, you are slamming a "de-bunker."
I'm not arguing the truth of the matter in either case, but the blending of two opposing theorums / ideas in one sentence makes the logic extremly hard to follow?
Some of us are simple hillbillies with no education and we come to this
WONDERFUL site,
not only for education, but humor, intrigue, dialog and DEBATE, news, insights good and bad, and association with others who believe!
Please tell us who you are and what you believe.
And please do it with more clerity so us dumb mountain folk can understand what you mean?
That's a great article and a good read. I had no idea this had happened.
ReplyDeleteIt didn't.
ReplyDeleteI know because I wasn't there!!!
Deletebigfoot believers get trolled so hard sometimes
ReplyDeleteI'm so sick of the simple minded trolls on here. Not one intelligent one in the lot.
ReplyDeleteI'm amazed that they can even form one coherent word, let alone structure a sentence with proper grammar.
Grammar: The difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you're shit.
I'm out of here.
Agreed! Pathetic
DeleteJustin from one hunter to another hunter , hunting is all about the meat ! They think it's easy to dress and then work your ass off carrying the kill out of those canyons so fat asses like Autum can have a good B.Q ! Keep up the good hunting . JV
ReplyDeletestfu, the guy's not only a poacher he's a murderer of two human beings of an unknown species as the DNA apparently is showing, I'm amazed he's so calm at the prospects of serious jail time some group and lawyer's gonna figure that indictment out.
Deleteand then, he will be brought to cort riding in a carriage pulled by two unicorns. the judge is a chupacabra and he hates people who shoot at non-existant creatures. and the jurry is going to be made up of
Delete7 lepricones--- i don;t know how to spell that. ha ha
2 ghosts
1 lockness monster
1 werewolf / dogman
1 living dinosoar
After the jurry of 12 convict him, he will be taken away on a spaceship to a prison in ATLANTIS were he will be held captive by the murmaids prison gaurds.
or if he gets the deth sentence, a giant will eat him!
Stupid hullucinary jackass!!!!!
court
DeleteNo one will ever go to jail for shooting a bigfoot.
ReplyDeleteRead above, sure will. Betcha ass.
DeleteNope not going to happen. Self defense.
DeleteSelf defense? LMAO God by his own verbal testimony had to use his scope to identify that it was not a bear. And it was waving it's arms telling the guy not to shoot while at the same time his friends were telling him not to shoot.
DeleteIf this scenario was a homeless guy doing this, good luck in pulling off a "self defense" plea lol. Hell, he could not even use that argument to avoid a poaching charge. His own witnesses would have condemned him.
To argue if it ever happened or not is one thing. But there is no argument as to if this was self defense or not.
Like it or not no charges will ever be brought againt Justin. Period. He was charged by a wild animal not a homeless guy.
DeleteNothing will become of this Sierra Kills story because it's another bigfoot hoax story. Just another in a very long line of hoaxed bigfoot stories.
ReplyDeleteWait and see, you'll soon change your tune when there's no saving face for your display of naivity here.
Deletewe are all waiting................ another year goes by, no bigfoot.
Deletebigfoot does not exist folks, get over it.
Why don't you get over it yourself then, instead of contradicting yourself with such hypocrisy and spending time commenting on it like the troll that you are.
DeleteOh yeah shite, gotta love these spineless trolls that somehow can't keep away from commenting on subjects they claim not to believe in, yet they obviously believe enough to care pretending not to.
DeleteLOL Somehow it's a threat to them and their troll status that others have this interest and they have none, they're only pretending indeed and somehow must attack others and what they don't (want to) understand. Bloody hilarious scene this is, they don't even realize we're observing them like ants.
DeleteWhy is anyone giving any creedence to this Sierra Kills story that has ZERO evidence? This supposedly happened when? 2010? It is now 2012? Here it is nearly 2 years later and there is still nothing but a story. There is still nothing to support this. Nothing but a story, which many have commented above has inconsistencies and evidence of probable lying. Yet some of you aggressively support this story as being factual.
DeleteWhy would or should anyone lean more toward this story being true rather than lean toward what it most likely is, another bigfoot hoax story.
Cause he has the single biggest piece of flesh hands down involved in a 3 year DNA study focused around proving the existence of Bigfoot
DeleteHave you actually seen this "single biggest piece of flesh hands down..."
DeleteWhat he has is a story.
I haven't but dereck randles and Bart and Dr ketchum have
DeleteIt really doesn't matter if many here don't believe Justin's story, I didn't either to begin with now I'm afraid I do since Bigfoots are in fact real and essentially people so obviously they can be killed. Yes it was wrong to do it, no question about that but done is done and hopefully it's not happened too often in the past either, it's Justin who must live with the consequences and memories in his own mind whatever they may be. It's a good thing he's working with a Bigfoot group now, showing genuine remorse by all account and trying to pay a little back in preventing it from ever happening again to himself or anyone else. Now let's just await the results of the study proof, so we can show the naysayers what ignorance looks like and protect this new species of perhaps fellow man by law.
ReplyDeleteThere will be no proof. I guarantee you that the best that will happen is that the mainstream scientific community will label the results as inconclusive. The only thing that will convince science is a specimen.
DeleteScience at large is not going to accept the existence of bigfoot based on this DNA study. There have already been bigfoot related DNA studies. The results showed
"unknown primate." Has the world at large accepted the existence of sasquatch based on these earlier DNA studies? No.
This recent bigfoot DNA study will be especially criticized by mainstream scientists when they find out that the scientist involved with this study believes that bigfoot braids her horses' hair.
That is wrong, if the DNA shows unknown human primate be my guest to remain a skeptical dork. LOL Mainstream science is the true mythmaker here and keepers of the status quo, they're the ones creating and labeling myths putting them on what they don't understand or others actually trying to discover new things and species.
DeleteYour basic mainstream scientist is basically a dork, if he wants a specimen he's a dork because DNA is a specimen essentially with a host body somewhere. You can't fake it. You have to touch everything before you believe it? Does Islamic gullibility rule modern science as well? That makes you sound like an old woman, not a scientist.
You can't touch air or space but it's still proven to be there, this is merely another primate and if DNA proves it's there we're practically guaranteed a body located someday. So why the resistance? The ignorance and reluctance of scientists always amazes me, and here we even have one with the proof in her hands and lab test tubes and what do other scientists do? Act like doubting Thomases of famed religion. LOL Yes, science is a funny business these days.
Everytime someone acts clever and says there will be no proof, you just know there will be. In this case it's even inevitable since quite a few of us know already. How could they know anyway there won't be proof when they haven't examined the evidence themselves, it's merely some absurd wishful thinking on their part. Miss Ketchum did already confirm there is such a species, I guess some male scientists have a hard time handling this situation sadly and now seem to be appearing from everywhere in the eleventh hour at five to twelve.
DeleteI heard he curb stomped a puppy too. That freaking sick sick man
ReplyDeleteThere are those of us who believe in the existence of sasquatch but are sick and tired of all of the hoaxing crap.
ReplyDeleteIf you didn't believe the story to begin with, what made you change your mind? There has been no new tangible evidence/proof of any kind linked with this story since this event was purported to have taken place in 2010. So, why did you change your mind about the truthfulness of this story?
ReplyDeleteI have to say I enjoy that people get branded Trolls or have their intelligence belittled because they don't swallow every unsubstantiated story they read about a creature that hasn't been proven to exist. Sound like fundamentalists.
ReplyDeleteIt's a lot more fundamentalist to me, to come here and blast the possibility of this unknown species.
DeleteHow did I blast it? My position, and I believe it is a reasonable one, is that I don't know the answer one way or the other. Since definitive proof is yet to be discovered, I don't see how a claim can be made in the affirmative. For what it is worth, questioning evidence and anecdote is about as far from fundamentalist as it is possible to get.
DeleteI can certainly understand belief if is based on incontrovertible first hand experience. Seeing is believing as they say. But for people who have not had such direct experience, a measured response to fantastic claims is in order. I agree that there is much evidence that is compelling. However, in order for there to be a consensus , the discovery of a new species must be established beyond question.
I have been fortunate enough to enjoy correspondence with Grover Krantz many years ago, Dr.Meldrum more recently, Mark Chovinsky and Mike Rugg on many occasions at his museum. I own a number of casts, and have read widely on the subject, so accusing me of ignorance is groundless.
He was in his truck right there and didn't take anything back with him, namely the dead baby squatch? Yeah right. Fake story. This would never happen. I don't care how much you try to make excuses for not doing this. No one would make the find of the century and not leave there with the thing in the back of the truck.
ReplyDeleteAlways a bridesmaid, never a bride.
DeleteI don't want to see it happen again, but if what was done proves the existence my hat's off JS. I cannot wait for the results show up in a respected scientific journal in the near future. Additional video evidence will hopefully follow. Until then, no time to argue, just time to wait patiently. I have no doubt that the truth will emerge....then it will be time for the skeptics to face the truth....
ReplyDeleteYes, you are correct. As a skeptic, I will gladly and even happily acknowledge Sasquatch as a real animal once testable, verifiable evidence is discovered. I like facing the truth. That's why I am a skeptic. Truth, not subjective "belief" is a firm foundation for life.
DeleteYou'll have to acknowledge Sasquatch as a real human because that's what they are, wait and see. Unless there's a conspiracy compromise being made to prove them real on one hand but keep them animals. Again, wait and see that they're not apes and that such shady deals could never last anyway.
DeleteAnd all of what is above is why this field of research is regarded as a joke
ReplyDeleteThis is research so you're the joke.
DeleteTo shoot at anything bipedal and humanlike, known or unknown is irrelevant, you'd have to be insane and bloodthirsty to do it. I don't buy the stunned monster excuse Smeja's pulling, to still shoot shows a simple and evil mind on his part.
ReplyDeleteI realize no one will read this as the insanity above has derailed the OP....
ReplyDeleteFWIW, this story seems far more believe able than the Sierra Shooting.
1. Teenage boy out poaching for his family of 10 in the late '40s in the middle of BFE Canada. While some would whine about it today, I'm sure this was very, very common in his area "back in the day".
2. While he shouldn't have, it does seem like he shot without seeing the whole body. But given his assumptions "big harry thing, so it must be a cow moose. What else could it be?", the shooting makes sense to me.
3. Obviously the 2nd shot was the kill shot. One of above posts reads like there were two animals shot. I think he hit the BF on the first, but finished him on with the 2nd shot.
4. The lake was large, while his buddies might have heard the shots, I'm sure they expected to hear shots. It would have been easy to dismiss the shots as "misses" if his buddies questioned him at all.
5. Fur vs Hair debate. Call them fuzzy. While there is a technical difference between Fur and Hair, 99% of us would use the terms interchangeably. Even after I read the difference, I'm still not sure how I would visual identify the difference.
6. For those that like to bring up the Sierra Shootings, the first shot bugs me (he and the driver both knew it wasn't a bear and wasn't being aggressive, yet he shot it). The 2nd shot make sense if you assume the first one occurred. As at that point in the story it is obvious everyone is stressed out and realized they had made bad choices. So, "fear" caused the 2nd shot.
Vengeance? What a bunch of whack-o's.......
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