Robert Lindsay: List of purported samples accepted by Dr. Melba Ketchum's Bigfoot DNA Lab
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| Photo of the purported Bigfoot toenail found by Larry Jenkins near the Grand Canyon. |
With all the purported Bigfoot samples being submitted to Dr. Melba Ketchum's lab for DNA testing, it's difficult to keep track of where the samples came from. Robert Lindsay, in "Bigfoot News January 16, 2012", compiled a list of samples that were sent to Dr. Ketchum, along with information about where they came from.
We've re-posted a portion of the article here with images and videos from our archive. Read below.
Breakdown on Ketchum report purported Bigfoot samples.
Samples submitted: Over 100
Samples presumptive for Bigfoot: 28
# of Bigfoot creatures represented: At least 20
Which samples made it in?
5 hair samples from Golden Ears Provincial Park in British Colombia, representing 5 separate creatures, gathered by Erickson Project.
1 toenail from Larry Jenkins in Arizona.
1 blood sample from JC Johnson in the 4 Corners area of New Mexico (skunk in a drainpipe sample).
Update: This sample has been confirmed by Lon of Phantoms and Monsters. Click here to read the article.
1 blood sample from Crittenden, Kentucky, gathered by Erickson Project. Sample was obtained by gluing glass shards on a feeding plate.
1 hair sample from David Paulides NABS known as the Ulibarri sample from Hoopa Valley, California.
1 hair sample from Larry Surface in southern Ohio. Surface shot the controversial nighttime Bigfoot video that was pulled from the web recently.
1 slice of Bigfoot flesh from Sierra Buttes, California from the adult Bigfoot shot dead by Justin Smeja.
That’s only 11 of the 28 samples. I don’t have any information on the other 17.
Samples submitted: Over 100
Samples presumptive for Bigfoot: 28
# of Bigfoot creatures represented: At least 20
Which samples made it in?
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| Bigfoot hair from the Erickson Project gathered in Canada in 2008. |
5 hair samples from Golden Ears Provincial Park in British Colombia, representing 5 separate creatures, gathered by Erickson Project.
1 toenail from Larry Jenkins in Arizona.
1 blood sample from JC Johnson in the 4 Corners area of New Mexico (skunk in a drainpipe sample).
Update: This sample has been confirmed by Lon of Phantoms and Monsters. Click here to read the article.
This information has been known by me for over a year but since it was recently leaked as 'purported' I decided to confirm it. This is the original collection of the evidence post from 8/31/2010...Lon
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| Bigfoot blood tissue on a plate. (Note: Robert Lindsay was originally asked by Adrian Erickson's wife to remove photo, but it's now back up again) |
1 blood sample from Crittenden, Kentucky, gathered by Erickson Project. Sample was obtained by gluing glass shards on a feeding plate.
1 hair sample from David Paulides NABS known as the Ulibarri sample from Hoopa Valley, California.
1 hair sample from Larry Surface in southern Ohio. Surface shot the controversial nighttime Bigfoot video that was pulled from the web recently.
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| Justin Smeja was introduced to Derek Randles after an encounter with a Sasquatch in the mountains of Northern Ca. Texas native, he now makes his home near Sacramento California and works in the construction trade. Avid hunter, tracker and fisherman, Justin specializes in scent control and camera set up. |
1 slice of Bigfoot flesh from Sierra Buttes, California from the adult Bigfoot shot dead by Justin Smeja.
That’s only 11 of the 28 samples. I don’t have any information on the other 17.
You can read the full Bigfoot News update on Robert Lindsay's blog.
Fantastic post! Wow! I won't even comment on the samples because the video was intriguing. Something big and strong enough to punch through the pipe and use teeth--BEAR. I don't see BF using his teeth. That'd be freaky awkward. I'm, of course, waiting for results. So far as punching through it, it's entirely possible there were already weak spots or holes there that made access easier. Out in the open for a skunk in a pipe? Doesn't sound very squatchy.
ReplyDeleteI believe YouTube researcher joebblack1963 has submitted hair samples to Melba Ketchum for her DNA study. He gives subtle hints to a DNA study in his most recent video upload and that he is "not allowed to mention at this time". He also says that he has successfully obtained positive bigfoot hair samples.
ReplyDeleteTHEY CAN'T FOOL ME! THIS IS ALL A HOAX! HOW DO I KNOW? IF IT EXISTED WE WOULD HAVE FOUND IT ALREADY! WE ARE REALLY SMART! WE KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW!!
ReplyDeleteI'll stop shouting now.
-Dogsqueezins
Ya know its people like you that think they know it all, look at all the things in this world that are newly discovered in science each year, we don't know the extent of every living thing on this planet and probably never will.Thank You.
DeleteOk, I just realized something absolutely astounding. I was reading the article about Oliver The Chimp on The Cryto Crew's sight, and it was talking about cross breeding species in the introduction. Did you realize that a Liger, cross between a lion and tiger, is the biggest feline. Could that be why Sasquatch is so big? Could the cross breeding be the reason for such a large creature? Isn't that insane! Someone please write an article on the subject. Research it, please! This could be the answer! Please look into it Autumn Forest!
ReplyDelete-Dorothy, Age 14
I read that one as well,but aren't hybrid offspring unable to reproduce?
DeleteI'm surprised that Dorothy felt the need to share her age. Most adolescents don't provide that info. She is very bright for her age. So far as crossbreeding, it's something I've brought up before, but yes crossbred animals like ligers and mules are sterile. And, to create such a large animal--what would man have to be mating with to create a Bigfoot?
DeleteYou're right Autumn,I had no idea the post was from a 14 year old,but it's a good question nonetheless.
DeleteThere are cases of crossbred animals being able to reproduce. This is extremely rare though.
DeleteI'm not science guy but I will try to organize my thoughts for this one.
DeleteLets take a look at the K-9 species. They have many breeds, but are all from the same "species." You could take a Minature Dashund (weiner dog), breed it with a St. Bernard (as long as the St.Bernard was the female so she could carry the puppies) and the off-spring would still be able to reproduce, because they are from the same species.
So in that sense, could that not work for Gigantapithacus? Could that "breed of the species" not have cross bread even with a human or maybe neandrathal, and the off-spring still be able to reproduce. You would have size and hair in this case.
But, if I'm not mistaken, (please correct me) science teaches evolution of the human species in one line, not different breeds of one species. Maybe we, as in human, cro-magnon, neandralthal, gigantapithacus, are all part of the same species, but just different breeds, and its always been the strongest and smartest that have surrvived, which would be humans for sure, and maybe one other "breed"?
I am way off in this theory? I want to get more into evolution, but I would be speaking on terms of that image (we all see) on how humans evolved over time, and that would be the extend of my evolution knowlage. So if Im on the right track I go into it more........maybe a little bit more. I always get the impression that human evolution seems to always go in a straight line, when maybe it should go more into a tree shape?
Again please correct me if need be. This is kind of how I've been thinking, and if Im wrong I would like to know.
Thanks
Gigantopithecus probably doesn't work here man. Not a man really, so your k9 correlation doesn't work. They did find recently that homo sapiens bred with neanderthal though. Who knows what kind of recessive genes were turned on during this period. Always possible. I tend to think that if the big guy turns out to be real, they will determine he is not an ape in the sense that we normally think of the word. But only ape in the same way that we are apes.
Delete@BM- I wish you and I could chat over a cold one! There are documented theories out there (names of scientists not coming to mind- I'll post if I have time to search), but none make the leap that all/most homo sapien could interbreed/hybridize. There's no basis for it. However, at least three homo sapien species could. sapien (us), neandertal, denisova... why there is no basis, I'll never know. Seems logical given the trend. I became interested in this after learning of the viable wolf/coyote hybrids in the NE, so your K9 theory is right up my alley.
Delete@Anon- giganto is no more than a piece of jaw with some teeth. Teeth who's morphology is more consistent with homo of the era than apes. How's that for straddling the 'giganto vs homo sapien' bigfoot divide. ;) Bottom line... who knows? Maybe we will have a better understanding with a more revealing fossil.
-Dave from the PAC/NW
Would love to have a cold one Dave. I just had two while I was shoveling that dam snow that hit the PAC/NW. :( But it was tasty shoveling! We've got about 16" already and more to come!
DeleteThe wolf/coyote hybrids are very intersting too. From a couple specials I've seen on TV, they seem be be holding there own very well over in the NE, actually procreating at a rapid pace, and actually having tendencies to prey on humans as well........quite frequently from what I hear.
Anyways, nice to hear someone say I may not be out to lunch. Evolution has always intrigued me. It's an interesting concept that humans have, by estimates, been here for more than 200,000 years, but our accepted "theory" of evolution is only 150 years old. But, thats what science is, theory to start, and then evidence collection to back the best "theories" out there........or should I say accepted theories. Lets not forget back in the 1800's science seemed to be a rich mans hobby.
By saying this I am not discrediting any science that has been done to date. Science is great, but can also seem very political. I just like thinking outside the box on the fact that evolutionary science is such a relatively new science, and it will be interesting if or how things may change when new discoveries are made. I just hope that if discoveries are made, that all the politics and white collars in science can put aside ego's and dignities to accept something that may be different.
We shall see what the future shall hold.
Precisely, Beer-Man. Keep up the "free-thinkin' & beer-drinkin'". I beer in Bellingham, BTW and next I order a Great Divide "Oak-Aged Yeti" for you! (not joking - totally on draught here!) We only have 5-6", but I fear the big flakes are coming my way. :(
Delete-Dave from the PAC/NW
It is entirely possible that it could be a crossbreed, but not likely. Here are a few facts:
Delete**FEMALE LIGERS CAN REPRODUCE** There are quite a few instances of 3/4 tigers or lions.
**LIGERS START OUT JUST LIKE OTHER BIG CATS, BUT THEY CONTINUE GROWING** Their life span is too short for them to get very big, though. This could be why the range has been from 6-12 feet, supposedly.
Every knucklehead out there is trying to put themselves in the limelight as being a part of or associated with the DNA study. Several of them of known hoaxers or associated with known hoaxers.
ReplyDeleteExample:
JC Johnson - Biscardi associate
Larry Surface - Sent in photoshopped bigfoot photo to Field and Stream magazine
Randy Brisson - Hoaxer of bigfoot head picture.
Nice observations. I have to admit that so far as the gathering of DNA, I suspect that a great deal of what Ketchum has had to study was totally explainable. I'm more curious about the ones that got past the BS test. I guess we'll know who got the genuine stuff when/if the study comes out.
DeleteWhen types like Dogsqueezins' getting nervous it's always a good sign, I like that. lol
ReplyDeleteI believe YouTube researcher joebblack1963 has submitted hair samples to Melba Ketchum for her DNA study. He gives subtle hints to a DNA study in his most recent video upload and that he is "not allowed to mention at this time". He also says that he has successfully obtained positive bigfoot hair samples.
ReplyDeleteupdate: joebblack1963 pulled his DNA video from YouTube. Possibly because he gave hints to the study when he should have not.
With the last weeks developments, this post may be problematic for the study and the peer report. Discretion should have been exercised MK the threshold has bee breached.
ReplyDeleteThis post problematic? Am i jumping in another conversation? All the information in this post, as far as I can tell, was provided by the study participants long ago and freely available on the net. Why this post, from a relatively new and selfconfessed "edutainment" site?
DeleteI feel like I missed an entire conversation for this conculsion Ed!? If problems on embargo occur the psrticipants must look internally for the source. As a poster points out, many of the plyers have histories that are less than altruistic and certainly selfserving. That seems the problem with the study from this side of the monitor.
Just noticed on Mr. Smeja's Facebook page that a taxidermist named Chris Sink (who's also "facebook friends" with Ketchum) posted this:
ReplyDelete"Thanks so much for the stuff Justin. Damn thats one ugly kid, lol"
Could he be talking about what I think he's talking about?
go to an earlier story here or on Lindsy's blog.. In November of 2010 "general/Justin" posted in Taxidermy.net seeking a taxidermist and a guy responded. From Indiana, and then the forum goes quiet...is it possible? Who knows, but that 'trail" pops up in the past as well.
DeleteEd Smith: I know a lot about embargoes on peer reviewed papers. Thing is, journalists are violating embargoes all the time now in an effort to get the scoop on competitors. What always happens is that the journalist gets a copy of the paper pre-publication and publishes a story based on the paper in front of him. No one's done that in this case.
ReplyDeleteTypically the journal just lifts the embargo early. One thing that is a major no no is for Ketchum herself to release any information prior to publication, and she has not really done so.
What news of the past week?
The news was forwarded last week to all it affected. As far as info blackouts they are not hard to maintain so long as you keep the right people out and that is how we have been working for a number of years.
DeleteUsually a ress embargo lasts not more thana week, and Lindsay is right, more than one embargo has been broken for the scoop. I don't think it ever resulted in a publication pulled. If this seemingly secret public conversation is understood, there is presently a press embargo on publication?
DeleteThe Facebook post was deleted, but I saw it too! Weird.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the deleted post?
DeletePeople as old as Melba need to rethink their entrance into social media. A dusty journal is better sutied in this case for those types of announcements. facebook seems juvenile.
I agree 1000%
Delete"Just noticed on Mr. Smeja's Facebook page that a taxidermist named Chris Sink (who's also "facebook friends" with Ketchum) posted this:
ReplyDelete"Thanks so much for the stuff Justin. Damn thats one ugly kid, lol"
Could he be talking about what I think he's talking about? "
Seems like he was referring to a picture of BF he may have gotten from Smeja.
Sink posted this on Dec. 29, one day before he posted on Smeja's wall:
"I now have in my possession a photo of an actual bigfoot. I just cant get over it."
"And its not anything anyone has ever seen before, but im not showing it. It will come out eventually. This is just amazing"