It's never nice to see someone duped by a hoaxer, but if you open the link below you'll notice at the bottom a comparison of Wallace's "stomper" with the best track casings from Northern California in the 50's & 60's; http://sasquatchresearch.net/billmiller.html
... You'll notice that none match. In fact, I've yet to see one track casting that actually does. Greg Long has made money lying to people like you. Ironic really, eh?
I can claim that some frequency of track impressions are authentic because some have forensic data in them. Though I can't prove they're authentic, I can however stake a major claim that those tracks from the 50's and 60's are genuine because it was prior to pop culture of the topic, and again, there are examples of forensic sign in casts similar to those.
But that's not what's being discussed here... You stated that the tracks up top are "probably stompers because Wallcae used stompers in the 60's". Where are these examples?? Please, be responsible for your claims...
I'm sorry, I don't believe that Sasquatch use any type of bags whilst doing their groceries, they do Internet shopping and get it delivered. They may use black bags to put out the trash.
Actually, those are clear comparisons to recognised scat samples. You as well as anyone else could do a lot with those comparisons to substantiate your stance, whilst the site was Short's, not the research in the article.
"The other case of which I have first hand knowledge is a quantity of which was shipped in a plastic container with dry ice to me in New York, for trans-shipment to Professor W. C. Osman Hill, then senior scientist at the London Zoological Society. This specimen shook up the scientist. I wish we had space to give you their report in full. It is quite amazing. The points of significance in it are as follows: In general, this fecal mass did not in any way resemble that of any known North American animal. On the other hand, it did look humanoid, but it had some peculiar features, as if the lower bowel had a spiral twist. But above all, it was composed exclusively of vegetable matter and this as far as could be identified of local California fresh water plants. The real clincher, however was that it contained the eggs and desiccated remains of certain larvae otherwise known only in (a) some North American Indian tribal groups in the Northwest, (b) pigs imported from south China, (c) human beings in country districts in southwest China and (d) in pigs in that same area."
Ivan T Sanderson Argosy Magazine, April Issue, 1968
In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded. Your extraordinary claim is that there is nothing to thousands of years of cultural and contemporary reports, that have physical evidence to support. If a critic asserts that there is evidence for disproof, he is making a claim and therefore also has to bear a burden of proof.
Yes, I'm sure you're wetting your shorts whilst having your special pleading pointed out.
What's been determined is there is physical evidence in track impressions that points to a creature with the same widely reported anatomy leaving its sign on the environment of the US. The data extrapolated from that evidence over a 40 year period, gives the creature leaving that evidence an average height of 7.5 feet tall.
Oh... And yes, claiming that "humans and other animals" are responsible for that frequency of evidence, and not coming close to substatiating that drivel is pretty hilarious.
It seems you are trying to equate thousands of year old myths with popular culture over the last fifty years and claim they have to be connected and have more weight. I don't think so.
"Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but no one has a right to be wrong about the facts. Without the facts, your opinion is of no value.” - Rene Dahinden, August 1999.
One of the native names for this creature is Shoonshoonootr, one of the few native words to literally translate as “big foot”? There is a ridiculous consistency in what's been reported as physical evidence for a ridiculously long time. If there was no transition into what can be measured by modern scienific means, then fair enough. But you simply can't hoax forensic evidence.
For my extraordinary claim, I have a level of reliable physical evidence for something with the same widely reported anatomy... It is in fact very extraordinary to claim that all the cultural and contemporary reports that are supported by three times the amount of evidence the Bili Ape had at this stage, is merely down to hoaxing and mistakes.
mythical apes don't leave tracks nor are they seen by thousands of people over centuries including native tribes who knew about them before Europeans first came here. Or were there people using stompers thousands of years ago or were they all three legged bears ? it is beyond ridiculous to even suggest it's all been a big hoax when you look at the big picture but that seems to be lost with so many of the cement heads who come on here whist on a sortie from their ISF home bunch of silly tossers really
"For my extraordinary claim, I have a level of reliable physical evidence for something with the same widely reported anatomy... It is in fact very extraordinary to claim that all the cultural and contemporary reports that are supported by three times the amount of evidence the Bili Ape had at this stage, is merely down to hoaxing and mistakes."
Who has been swayed by that argument Joetomi? Run that by some experts and see what type of reaction you get.
What mainstream experts recognises or are even aware of means little. If there's scientific evidence that not one from that mainstream can explain away, and it is substantiated with consistent scientific means, it falls into the bracket of pioneering which has always been in the minority.
The evidence I reference HAS been run by experts, and that's why it's rubbed in your face.
Well i'm using skeptics wild imaginative theories on who is making the tracks. You berks claim they are all hoaxes and i'm saying where they also hoaxes thousands of years ago when the first nations had encounters with the wild men of the forest ? Go to sleep 10:53 . Maybe you'll have pleasant dreams instead of the miserable rot you spew on this world
Why doesn't someone take that knife and follow the tracks to the squatch and then knife it in the gut and kill it? That will prove it exists.
If Iktomi put his money where his big mouth is, he'd be over here in the USA looking for sasquatches instead of posting on an American bigfoot site from his mom's basement in Wales.
Rumors abound on whether or not Finding Bigfoot will continue, but hopeful news is on the horizon. Snake Oil Productions, the production company responsible for Finding Bigfoot, is seeking a permit for filming in the Monterey, Virginia area. Monterey lies between the Monongahela and George Washington National Forests. Definitely a good place to look for bigfoot. We can only speculate if this means Finding Bigfoot has been signed on for additional seasons, or if perhaps a new bigfoot show is in the works. We'll keep you updated on any further announcements for sure.
Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Suzie M., a sasquatch enthusiast. Crypto-linguists believe that the species known Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Yowie ect speak and understand a complex language, which by all accounts seems to stem from Asia. When one listens to it there is definitely a sense of it being Chinese or Japanese. It is a very odd mix of sounds, clicks and what could be actual words. This is the reason some experts are looking into the Asian dialect theory, some have said it could be a lost dialect, which was carried from Asia by the Bigfoot species that colonised America.
This story was circulating the internet way back in 2004, or maybe as far back as 1999. Back when everybody was on 56k dial-up modems and a "Facebook" was just a regular book with directory listing of names and headshots. This story was so disturbing and so shocking that nobody believed it at the time. It was the Robert Lindsay " Bear Hunter: Two Bigfoots Shot and DNA Samples Taken " story of the time. And like Robert's Bear Hunter story , this witness didn't have a name. The only thing known about the witness is that this person was a government employee, anonymous of course. The author of the story was a science teacher named Thom Powell who believe it really happened and that the whole story was an elaborate cover-up. Powell said the anonymous government employee alerted the BFRO about a 7.5 feet long/tall burn victim with "multiple burns on hands, feet, legs and body; some 2nd and 3rd degree burns". Sadly, there was no DNA samples taken from
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ReplyDelete'sup weasel?
DeleteWhat's your latest wobbly?
DeleteJust taking a look at your latest bullsh*t. It seems you've been laying it on extra thick lately.
DeleteI have a question for you Iktomi. Do the Bigfoot ever go away from using blue and switch to white or black bags?
DeleteBS doesn't usually cause the type of reaction you're enduring... That unless you have anger issues to go with those self esteem blips.
Delete^ pipsqueaker
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DeleteWHAT THE ...
It's as close as he will ever get to being president.
DeleteProbably made by stompers, a technique pioneered by wallace in the 60s, who was a friend of another hoaxer roger patterson incidently.
ReplyDeleteIt's never nice to see someone duped by a hoaxer, but if you open the link below you'll notice at the bottom a comparison of Wallace's "stomper" with the best track casings from Northern California in the 50's & 60's;
Deletehttp://sasquatchresearch.net/billmiller.html
... You'll notice that none match. In fact, I've yet to see one track casting that actually does. Greg Long has made money lying to people like you. Ironic really, eh?
correct
DeleteStompers don't have to match, and some can certainly be better than others.
Delete"Stompers don't have to match"? Did you just type that?? So what evidence is there that Wallace has hoaxed anything if they don't match??
DeleteIs this classic special pleading??
DeleteHow do you know which are absolutely genuine and therfore not stompers?
DeleteWhat about the bag question above?
I can claim that some frequency of track impressions are authentic because some have forensic data in them. Though I can't prove they're authentic, I can however stake a major claim that those tracks from the 50's and 60's are genuine because it was prior to pop culture of the topic, and again, there are examples of forensic sign in casts similar to those.
DeleteBut that's not what's being discussed here... You stated that the tracks up top are "probably stompers because Wallcae used stompers in the 60's". Where are these examples?? Please, be responsible for your claims...
Not to put pressure on you son, but your next comment is pivotal to your stance...
DeleteThat wasn't me. What about the bags?
DeleteDo they use other colors?
DeleteWell?
DeleteI'm sorry, I don't believe that Sasquatch use any type of bags whilst doing their groceries, they do Internet shopping and get it delivered. They may use black bags to put out the trash.
DeleteNo dude I mean as a way to mark territory, not ordinary uses. You are an advocate of that theory.
DeleteI'm an advocate that Sasquatch probably recycle pretty well too... I've heard they're massive on helping he environment.
DeleteThey must be very hygienic as you NEVER find their poop.
Deletehttp://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/scat.htm
DeleteMeh, that's not very convincing and it's Bobby Short.
DeleteThat needs substantiating and that's ad hominem.
DeleteIt shows what is reported to be bigfoot scat with very little analysis. Bobby Short's judgement is not the best...take it however you want.
DeleteActually, those are clear comparisons to recognised scat samples. You as well as anyone else could do a lot with those comparisons to substantiate your stance, whilst the site was Short's, not the research in the article.
Delete"The other case of which I have first hand knowledge is a quantity of which was shipped in a plastic container with dry ice to me in New York, for trans-shipment to Professor W. C. Osman Hill, then senior scientist at the London Zoological Society. This specimen shook up the scientist. I wish we had space to give you their report in full. It is quite amazing. The points of significance in it are as follows: In general, this fecal mass did not in any way resemble that of any known North American animal. On the other hand, it did look humanoid, but it had some peculiar features, as if the lower bowel had a spiral twist. But above all, it was composed exclusively of vegetable matter and this as far as could be identified of local California fresh water plants. The real clincher, however was that it contained the eggs and desiccated remains of certain larvae otherwise known only in (a) some North American Indian tribal groups in the Northwest, (b) pigs imported from south China, (c) human beings in country districts in southwest China and (d) in pigs in that same area."
Ivan T Sanderson
Argosy Magazine, April Issue, 1968
^ hairy ass fa ggot
DeleteIve been in this world a long time but honestly there is nothing more funny than joe defending the existance of a mythical ape.
ReplyDeleteMyths don't leave tracks, old boy.
DeletePeople and other animals do.
DeleteAnd here in lies your burden... Prove it.
DeleteI think it's a given that people and animals leave tracks.
DeleteYour burden revolves around substantiating that these account for what is being accumulated as Sasquatch tracks.
DeleteSee what i mean? Hilarious. Thank you for bringing so much joy to so many people. Please never stop.
DeleteNo, I believe that burden of proving their authenticity belongs squarely upon you. I'm sure you disagree though.
DeleteIn science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded. Your extraordinary claim is that there is nothing to thousands of years of cultural and contemporary reports, that have physical evidence to support. If a critic asserts that there is evidence for disproof, he is making a claim and therefore also has to bear a burden of proof.
DeleteYes it's very hilarious 3:58.
DeleteSo there have been consistent tracks for thousands of years which are recorded accurately enough to make any type of determination?
DeleteYes, I'm sure you're wetting your shorts whilst having your special pleading pointed out.
DeleteWhat's been determined is there is physical evidence in track impressions that points to a creature with the same widely reported anatomy leaving its sign on the environment of the US. The data extrapolated from that evidence over a 40 year period, gives the creature leaving that evidence an average height of 7.5 feet tall.
Oh... And yes, claiming that "humans and other animals" are responsible for that frequency of evidence, and not coming close to substatiating that drivel is pretty hilarious.
DeleteIt seems you are trying to equate thousands of year old myths with popular culture over the last fifty years and claim they have to be connected and have more weight. I don't think so.
DeleteSorry the more extraordinary claim is yours. Good luck with that.
Delete"Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but no one has a right to be wrong about the facts. Without the facts, your opinion is of no value.”
Delete- Rene Dahinden, August 1999.
One of the native names for this creature is Shoonshoonootr, one of the few native words to literally translate as “big foot”? There is a ridiculous consistency in what's been reported as physical evidence for a ridiculously long time. If there was no transition into what can be measured by modern scienific means, then fair enough. But you simply can't hoax forensic evidence.
For my extraordinary claim, I have a level of reliable physical evidence for something with the same widely reported anatomy... It is in fact very extraordinary to claim that all the cultural and contemporary reports that are supported by three times the amount of evidence the Bili Ape had at this stage, is merely down to hoaxing and mistakes.
DeleteYour burden remains.
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DeleteJoe's troll on da porch
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Deletemythical apes don't leave tracks nor are they seen by thousands of people over centuries including native tribes who knew about them before Europeans first came here. Or were there people using stompers thousands of years ago or were they all three legged bears ?
Deleteit is beyond ridiculous to even suggest it's all been a big hoax when you look at the big picture but that seems to be lost with so many of the cement heads who come on here whist on a sortie from their ISF home
bunch of silly tossers really
Joe
Who said people were using stompers a thousand years ago? You can be a real dumbass mate.
Delete"For my extraordinary claim, I have a level of reliable physical evidence for something with the same widely reported anatomy... It is in fact very extraordinary to claim that all the cultural and contemporary reports that are supported by three times the amount of evidence the Bili Ape had at this stage, is merely down to hoaxing and mistakes."
DeleteWho has been swayed by that argument Joetomi? Run that by some experts and see what type of reaction you get.
What mainstream experts recognises or are even aware of means little. If there's scientific evidence that not one from that mainstream can explain away, and it is substantiated with consistent scientific means, it falls into the bracket of pioneering which has always been in the minority.
DeleteThe evidence I reference HAS been run by experts, and that's why it's rubbed in your face.
Well i'm using skeptics wild imaginative theories on who is making the tracks. You berks claim they are all hoaxes and i'm saying where they also hoaxes thousands of years ago when the first nations had encounters with the wild men of the forest ?
DeleteGo to sleep 10:53 . Maybe you'll have pleasant dreams instead of the miserable rot you spew on this world
Joe
Were the experts you were ^^ alluding to "WORLD BEATING"??
DeleteGAW FAW GAW FAW.
Got monkey, Joketomi?
ReplyDeletehttp://www2.isu.edu/rhi/pdf/Munns-%20Meldrum%20Final%20draft.pdf
DeleteWhy doesn't someone take that knife and follow the tracks to the squatch and then knife it in the gut and kill it? That will prove it exists.
ReplyDeleteIf Iktomi put his money where his big mouth is, he'd be over here in the USA looking for sasquatches instead of posting on an American bigfoot site from his mom's basement in Wales.
Good question sir ,iksissi
DeleteWould never have the guts to leave his Mommy's basement in Wales.
Yes,where would all his men-friends go for enjoyment and satisfaction if Joe was away?
DeleteOh how original, a basement reference from Haites. Typical of a failed researcher to be so bitter.
DeleteHow are you a researcher when your on this blog 24 hrs a day?
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