Here's The Breakdown From ThinkerThunker You've Been Waiting For: Siberian Bigfoot
While M.K. Davis has finally run the course with his breakdowns on the Siberian Bigfoot (a total of 3 breakdowns), it's now time for ThinkerThunker to jump in on the action. Like always, the breakdown expert takes things to another level: Animation! It's awesome to see this thing come to life. Whether or not it's real, we'll leave it up to you:
For sho
ReplyDeleteWhat a treat to wake up to!! TT has just confirmed MK's work!! I will now incorporate this footage into my list that ultimately sends psuedoskeptics wild with hate.
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How about the red ethiquette on the neck area?
Deleteyeah, that's the kind of ethiquette you usually find attached to clothes when you buy them
Deleteyep. case closed.
DeleteWhat other blogs do you muff divers frequent? Must be an active one.
DeleteCase closed? It's a braid... Quite clearly.
DeleteDan! Ha ha ha ha!!
DeleteThough I kinda disagree om that being a braid, still that would prove the figure is a suit
DeleteEasily it's top much of a red flag to ne ignored
Delete*too much to be
DeleteNot when, after watching two breakdowns now... The hair is clearly being tied back.
DeleteFresh tree snaps and all.
A great video with an enormous red flag doesn't make the video valid. That red thing is clearly some sort of stuff that a real bigfoot or any animal shall not have attached to his fur
DeleteNope! The red flag is 100% subjective. How do you know that Sasquatch, another type/tribe of humans with culture (language, burials) wouldn't have a braid to keep it's hair out of it's face?
DeleteWhen the 'zipper' CLEARLY is at the route of some long twisted hair, then you only have to open your eyes.
Fresh tree breaks and all.
Kinda doubt they would fabricate plastic, cotton or teflon to make that ethiquette. Tree breaks can be made by humans. Woman's reaction sounds too much cast.
DeleteIt's big,it's furry,it's hair is tied back and it's a bigfoot !!
DeleteAnother great breakdown from ThinkerThunker xx
2:45... That's cool, but Sasquatch braiding ain't anything new. In line with the intelligence of these creatures, they could quite easily get their hands on various materials, in line with what eve come to expect from Sasquatch rummaging through waste produce areas.
DeleteScream sounds legit to me.
Well still lacks something in your guessing though. You need a strongly red material like the one in the video that can be found and be available in that part of Siberia. It must be not degradable, so inorganic.
DeleteCan't be anything from plants or wood that red
DeleteJoe got smoked even today. Come on bro take a break from your smoked routine at least on weekends.
DeleteJoe?! Argument for your smoking?! Hello? Last chance going...
Delete...gone!!!!! Ahahahah what a loser!
DeleteWhat about that premeditated scream from the actress in the video? 100% PROOF this is a HOAX
DeleteYou talking about the Ketchum sasquatch horse braiding bullcrap? You do know that horses will groom each other and the results will often look like a braid right?
DeleteThe actress had to take a deeper breath than normal to produce a scream that long. If she was truly startled the scream would have been shorter. The scream was premeditated.
DeleteAnd there are no communities in Siberia for Sasquatch to rummage through waste produce? Why would the material have to be 'not degradable'?? The matrial could quite easily be utilised to ensure the hair matted or dreaded and once serving that purpose would be free to do what ever it likes... We see plenty of hippies and bums with the exact same thing.
DeleteAnswer me this... Why would someone take the time to hoax tree breaks, when the only way you can see these is with ellaborate softwear fro close ups and breakdowns?
The chuchunaa, is the Siberian wildman and has been reported many times through history as even wearing animal skins, so using material of this sort to help get hair out of the way of the face is not unrealistic.
The scream does not appear fake to me, sorry.
Patty appears to have what is loosely theorised as a braid, whilst alleged Sasquatch braiding was not spawned off the back of anything Ketchum has claimed.
Going? Nargh... Phone went dead.
4:55... Are you an expert on screaming? In fact... If the woman was merely not engaged in conversation at the point of seeing the creature, then she could quite easily have taken wnoihj air in to scream for that length.
Delete"The Chuchunaa which are sometimes referred to as the "Siberian Snowman" or “Tjutjuna“, are unique among their kind for numerous reasons not the least of which being their purported penchant for appearing before eyewitnesses clothed in animal skins. Their name translates to (outcasts or fugitives) which many of the eyewitnesses declared them. This fact that the Chuchunaa are said to wear animal skins has led some researchers to believe that these creatures may have less in common with Gigantopithecus-like creatures such as BIGFOOT or the YETI, and may possibly be a part of what some have speculated are a relic population of paleo-asiatic aborigines or possibly even Neanderthals."
DeleteSuddenly... A piece of material to ensure the hair matts out from the face isn't so unbelievable.
Also... We have different customs of different braiding methods in indegenous people's, for example;
Delete"Kiowa Indians wore their hair braided. Men wearing two long braids often wrapped in fur, while the women wore either two braids or let their hair loose. The Indian men cut a piece of their hair short just over their right ear as a tradition in the Kiowa tribe. Delaware and Lenapes Indian women wore their hair in very long braids, often believed to never have had a haircut. While men wore their hair in a mohawk or shaved their heads while leaving just a lock of hair at their forehead."
the listed pointed above includes materials not that strongly reddish and whose colour would degrade rapidly, becoming actually less and less reddish. I'm a firm believer in Bigfoot, I strongly believe in PGF, but here there are too many red flags. When you gather all the things together, you have an highly probable explanation (suit) and you have an highly, highly improbable explanation to defeat the red flags in the video. Too many guessings in my opinion, too many things that are not right.
Deleteit's not the braid the red flag, it's the color and the material of the braid. those indians had braids made from plants or soft wood, there's no such thing that red in nature, let alone in Siberia.
DeleteYes, I noticed you listed them, but why would you have to have a non degradable material?
DeleteYour points revolve around the assumption that a Sasquatch would require a non degradable material to help matt it's hair (when we have examples of indegenous peoples doing the contrary), an alleged fake scream that I will try and find you similar instances of, a claim that it looks like a costume without any suit indicators other than a red zipper that clearly looks at the root of a long piece of matted hair, and tree breaks that nobody would have noticed if it wasn't for softwear close ups (rendering the effort pointless).
It's not so much guessing, it's trying to support your reasons sufficiently with no countering logical, and so far your answers do not do that for me, in my opinion.
Look, I'm just as easily hoaxed as anyone else, but I respectfully disagree this time around, sir.
"Both men and women (Native Americans) gave a lot of attention to their hair. Bear fat was a favorite dressing and men sometimes mixed it with soot to make the hair blacker. Those of the eastern tribes usually cut their hair close on the sides of their heads, leaving a ridge from the forehead to the back of the neck. The top part was trimmed like a pompadour, but the scalp lock was allowed to grow long, and was braided down the back and decorated with shells, or metal or stone ornaments. The ridge on top often contained a roach of deer bristles, dyed red."
DeleteAs was put to you previously, Sasquatch are very regularly seen around waste produce. This is not a leap of Faith considering he amount of anecdotal references there are regarding their behaviour.
"Natural Plant DyesIt may be hard to fathom, but we didn’t always use chemicals to dye fabrics. For millennia, people used plants, roots and berries to color cotton, muslin, linen, silk and other fabrics.
DeleteWhat Can Be Used as Natural Dyes? The coolest thing about natural dyeing is that the ingredients you need are likely right in your backyard, or at the grocery store – especially when summer rolls around.
Here are just a few materials you can use (and the colors you’ll get with each).
Onion skins (yellow/orange)
Lilac twigs (yellow/orange)
Butternut squash husks (yellow/orange)
Dandelion roots (brown)
Coffee grounds/tea (brown)
Walnut hulls (brown)
Boiled acorns (brown)
Strawberries/cherries (pink)
Roses (pink)
Lavender (pink)
Red cabbage (blue/purple)
Red maple tree bark (blue/purple)
Black iris (dark blue/purple)
Hyacinth flowers (blue)
Beets (deep red)
Crab apple bark (red/yellow)
Any red leaf (reddish brown)
Iris roots (gray/black)
Daylily blooms (red/purple)
Artichokes (green)
Red clover (gold)
Queen Anne’s lace (yellow)
Celery leaves (yellow)"
JOE. Can I use any of these on my hair instead of just for men? I prefer light brown.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
DeleteWhen I say degradeable, I mean in the sense of losing its color. Any non-artificial substance exposed to open air loses color rapidly. So you have to find:
Delete1. A material available in Siberia's wilderness with that color so strongly reddish.
2. A material available in Siberia's wilderness that doesn't lose fast that strong color.
There aren't in my opinion. I know many natives of the US and know their costumes, they have no such things.
If the hair is being tied back like a ponytail, then this material could quite easily be replaced at any time should it break down.
DeleteThe strong red colour is due to the footage being brightened, and at the end of the day there are methods of making red out of natural sources.
The example I gave you up top states that deer bristles can be dyed red under some native customs.
Not so of an intense red. actually deer bristles are dark red, not light intense red. This theory doesn't stand.
DeleteImagination is a good thing, but it has to not be mixed up with fantasy.
PGF has not red flags, this video has at least a couple and cannot be trusted. Period.
Respectfully... I'll repeat; the footage has been brightened, therefore there are various colours in that footage that appear stronger then what they would appear under natural conditions... So yes, the theory does stand. A dark red hair dyed even more red would look even redder under higher lighting contrast... That requires very little imagination to foresee, let alone delving into any realms of fantasy.
DeleteLike I said... I'm as subsceptible to hoaxing as anyone else, and have retracted some of my claims in the past when more information regarding a particular source has come to light, I have no issue with doing that... But as of yet, I have yet to come across a point of view that sways me towards yours.
Is there any possibility that the Subject had a young one draped across his shoulders with an injured elbow? If it was it was not very large and fairly emaciated with a wound similar to what we would call a cherry or rub or in college carpet burns.
DeleteIt's massive. It rises without the use of its hands. Good Stuff
Delete7:19... I very much appreciate the conversation and your opinion is very much respected as an obvious enthusiast. Some very good and important points you raised.
DeleteTrashed as one can only expect.
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Let me bring my 2 cents. If this video is not a hoax, we are maybe in front of one of the most interesting behavior in anthropological matter. This "red flag" or "siberian zipper" on this creature seems to be nothing else than a distinctive sign regarding social organization. How they learn how to use this piece of fabric could come from observations on human beings but the most interesting question is the purpose of. The color is important because red is flashy and distinctive .
DeleteNote that this piece of fabric is wear by a really massive creature, mighty, and impressive. I don't believe that this piece of fabric is worn simply to keep hairs together. The use seems to mark a place in a group, a hierachy. We are maybe in front of clan chief. I have difficulties to explain my point of view in English but, this is the first time I observe this singular behavior and if the purpose of this fabric is related to a form of social organization or a mark of hierarchy, bigfoot and almasty is nearer humans than animals. Some will argue that hierarchy is a natural way of life in nature, I agree but difference here come from the fact that the "bigfoot" is using something else, artificial, as a distinctive marker. It's not like feathers for birds or tail for wolve. In my sense, this is a great observation from TT and M.K. Davis.
I agree, this phenomen is unique and cannot be considered like a general rule. We need others observations before establish as a rule but each time new observations are brought like this one, bigfoot appears less animal and more humans.
^ comment of the day!!!! Where are you from sir?
DeleteSeriously?
DeleteYes.
DeleteÎm from Quebec City area.
DeleteThinker thunker .. for the love of God help us find the golden slaw,the coleslaw recipe like no other
ReplyDeleteWrinkles located around elbow area clearly illustrate this is a contrived costume. No animal skin/fur or hair combination will wrinkle and fold this way.
ReplyDeleteWell then obviously bigfoots do.
DeleteFurthermore, the head area affords no "ear"?
ReplyDeleteas a n9n bleever [ one who would love not to be] im glad thinker thiunker has become the premier break down BF researcher,taking over form para breakdown.
ReplyDeleteApart from the fact he is ex law enforcement[ I would question cops in the last 50years for joining a racist/fascist organisation who seek out people of low intel so they wont question anything] ] and only broke down the most obviouse fakes and didn't have the skill set to pull out anything new etc...from films
thinker thunker does this well. Even as a non bleever I have been question some of the films he's broke down because he does find things and highlight new evidence in films
he and MK davis[who does have strange theories] are skilled in film researching. They give credibility to a genre that badly needs it
10ft 800 ape people walking about undetected in North America ,leaving no evidence is a stretch
There is physical and biological evidence of an unknown primate in North America.
DeleteDo not think that the guys who post these breakdowns don't an agenda.
DeleteIn the world of bf make up your own mind. Don't be led by pseudo researchers.
MMG
Respectfully, everyone can be labeled as a "pseudo researcher" by another researcher who has a differing opinion. Even DNA experts will argue over results based on the techniques used to obtain the results. As for law enforcement officers being racist, fascist, blah, blah, blah. In my many years of work as a professional law enforcement officer I learned through experience that those who generally disliked me simply because of my job (WV State Trooper) were usually on the other side of the law and did not want to adhere to the laws of our society. Our country has laws in place for a reason; to protect the public (usually from themselves.) Yes, the rich and influential do seem to evade justice most of the time but not because of law enforcement. This is usually because of the elected judge or elected prosecutor who oversees their case. As for ignorant people confessing to crimes, etc. You must remember this, no criminal ever looks at themselves as being a bad person. If they thought that what they were doing was truly immoral they would not do it. Every criminal finds a way to justify their crimes. Once they have made peace with their criminal behavior it no longer seems illegal or immoral to them. A well trained investigator seeks to find common ground with the suspect in order to attempt to discover their justification for committing their illegal act. Once you discover this, anyone will talk. By the way, I have personally had an encounter with a Sasquatch and I have enough college degrees to wallpaper my bedroom with.
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Am going to look now, just got up. Seems excitement is brewing about this. I highly doubt that MK is done with this.
ReplyDeleteChuck
This was quickly put together and did not solve much for me. Mr. Thunker usually takes a lot of time and I assume he will with these also like looking for triggers in individual frames. JOE, EVA, Others, what did you see that you like.
ReplyDeleteChuck
They see what they want to see and only take into consideration the views of those that see the same thing.
DeleteWhat? Like seeing a 'red zipper' that's at the root of what's clearly a lot piece of matted fur? The audacity is rather incredible.
DeleteChuck... I thooght it was good as a means of confirming MK's findings.
4:44...
Delete"Cognitive Biases are systematic errors that predispose one's thinking in favor of a certain viewpoint over other viewpoints. The scientific method developed, among other reasons, to counteract these biases in order to derive objective knowledge.
Biases are often result from using shortcuts in thinking called heuristics. Such shortcuts allow us to make quick decisions about otherwise complex problems by following instinctive rules of thumb. Although useful in many situations (such as rapidly determining the mood of someone you just met), heuristics can lead us astray. Many problems should be thought through with intention and deliberation. When we settle for quick heuristics in our thinking, we often end up with biases."
One back at ya!
I very much enjoy TT's work.
DeleteHe knows however I do don't always agree with with his conclusions.
MMG
So is this guy trying to be the new FB/FB? He confirms every single obvious hoax he comes across.
ReplyDeleteAt the time John Travolta was doing the movie Blow Out I was playing craps at the Aladdin in Las Vegas with Gabe Kaplan. John was at the early stages of becoming a star and saving his money to become a pilot and buy expensive planes and Gabe was betting his earnings on the roll of the dice. Come 7 come 11.
ReplyDeleteChuck
Hello Chuck,
ReplyDeleteThere's a few things in this breakdown as well as MK Davis' that i like,for one the size a shape is convincing as well as shine to the hair and i agree with ThinkerThunker,i would expect bigfoot have clean hair and the hair being tied back matches the hair of it's beard and of course there was a really good image of what looks like it's eye on MKs' breakdown.So far this to me look's like the real thing xx
To me it kind of looks like he has a dead animal (perhaps a baby goat) slung over it's shoulder there. Then again it also looks like it could even be a drawing
ReplyDeleteNow that is interesting. A baby goat with its tounge hanging out. Just may be and that might be causing the lighter colored hair.
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Thanks EVA R. I have looked at these and can find nothing fake. The more I see the more I like. Yesterday when MK posted the still where you mention the eye I also say a gray nose and slight part of a possible ear sticking out from the hair. Now many times these guys are matted and dirty and other times they are clean and shiny. I suspect in this environment you would expect a shine to the hair. The longest hair on a bigfoot is its head hair and is very often described as flowing back and if one tied it or most likely had its mate do this I certainly would not be surprised. We know these folks are crafty weavers. Also the creature looks massive and seems to have definition in the bicep area. If indeed that is a tree break ( analysis needs to be done on it ) it is far to large a diameter to be done by a human. I think there is still much to discover in these pics.
ReplyDeleteChuck
I thought bigfeets only braid horse manes....wow this is ground breaking stuff...get Bill Munns and Dr. Meldrum on this maybe Melba as well or Justin could take shot at it!
ReplyDeleteThey trade tools, store rocks like obsidian that are precious to them. There is strong evidence they herd and corale ungulates. A braid should be no biggie.
DeleteUh Huh....sure they do...ya might want see your doctor about increasing your meds there :)
DeleteMike says the truth in line with ten thousand years of native agknowledgement.
DeleteYou're almost due a meltdown, aren't you?
Hey MIKE. Herd ungulates. You may be the first person I have heard say that. I might be able to corroborate a bit. Back in March of 2010 when I found the 20 foot tree pulled down and a 17 x 11 inch track next to it ( and I know exact day it was pulled down with in 8 hours ) there was a herd of deer on the outskirts of the small woods next to the tree. In the 14 years I had lived here up to then hardly a deer was seen in this agricultural area. I think I saw maybe two and never any hunters. That herd was there for only two days and was gone and never seen again in this area. Maybe you are right.
DeleteChuck
They also used to trade herbs and natural medicines with the natives.
Delete... And on some ocassions, protected native tribes from grizzlies.
DeleteKitakrazy!
ReplyDeleteSure that's not Bigfoots pet dragon taking a nap on its shoulder?
ReplyDelete:) xx
DeleteAll I can say about this is; OH BROTHER!
ReplyDeleteRed garment tag on back of neck. It says, "Made in Mother Russia".
ReplyDeletePatty had muscle definition that showed with every movement. This costume has no muscle definition, similar to every other Bigfoot costume.
ReplyDeleteThe only difference between Patty and this....is Patty was a costume Roger made for his Bigfoot movie and this could be a rug for all we know.
DeleteBut rest assured neither shows anything other than what imagination is capable of ;)
That's because Patty was filmed almost in direct sunlight... Therefore showing far greater detail.
Delete7:47... Got monkey suit? We'll soon see what imaginative excuse you come up with...
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It's the Freeman technique, cover everything with long hair and hope nobody notices. Sure cats groom themselves, but anyone with a long hair cat or dog knows they get horribly matted without brushing.
DeleteJoey,
DeleteGot dead Bigfoot that looks like a guy in a monkey suit?
8:00. I've seen national geographic specials with cinnamon black bears that have better hair than Warren Beatty. Get a copy of the full Freeman Footage. Watch him track those Subjects from a water source and you'll see how truly gifted he was.
Delete8:00... Imagination right on cue; there isn't enough pixelation quality to the Freeman footage to establish how long the hair is. Also... There's clearly matted hair on head that stems from the red object in question... Now apply that imagination again...
Delete8:03... Nope! But I've got several instances of documented giant skeletons with receding skulls being found in the US.
Gifted hoaxer LOL!
DeletePaul Freenab not only shot the second best footage ever by tracking them, he put Dr Meldrum onto a trackway that changed the genre. He was one of those men who could take you to them.
DeleteNah Joey ya got nothing but your imagination and your Patty pontifications.....but at least your consistent in your regurgitation of your unsupported up chuck!
DeleteAnd Meldrum only agreed to look at Freeman's evidence with the view to debunking it... He soon changed his mind.
Delete8:23... Your argument? That was where you should have applied a counter argument... You didn't I might add...
DeleteBob Titmus and, the late Rene Dahinden, Johhn Mioncynski, all knew or know where to look. Derek Randles ,Bart, Bobo and Cliff, Bob Garett, Justin and Stacy, Mitch Waite and Barb and Gabby, there are folks that can find them. Bear and Coonbo, Farlan Huff.....ah, they and many more like Gunnar are great. Michael Merchaht is excellent in the woods and JC Johnson is always in the hot zone. Great to see so many have that kind of skill. Joe D Gallo and Jimmy Hayes are up and coming. Someone will get the goods like Kelly Shaw or Tim Fasano. Persistence pays off, if skills are learned and repeated. I can't wait till someone does it.
DeleteJoey you poor deluded man there's nothing to argue about buddy :(
DeleteNot one shred of scientifically verifiable evidence exists that biggie ever lived!
It might show up in the next minute or so....you stand by and let us know when it does...until then enjoy your Bigfoot Fanasty with Friends!
Oooooooh there's nothing left for YOU to argue, boyo... That's why the insults come about. You've been shown plenty of physical and biological evidence, verified by anthropologists, primatologists, wildlife biologists, etc, and you've only ever resorted to meltdown mode as a counter stance, pretty funny.
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I'm sorry I called you a man...no meltdown on my part, just the facts nothing ever been scientifically proven to come from any such creature or is there any evidence to conclude it ever existed....fun to talk about sure but your very post above proves your either intentionally misinterpreting information or quite delusional in your thought process.
DeleteConsider yourself cerved, game, set, match!
Well this is where I contribute to your meltdown a little more, because no matter how much you stamp and kick and whine and cry... The same manner of consistent scientific method has been applied to this field; methods that have been tried and tested to have worked perfectly fine for the last few decades, and it is pointing towards an unknown primate leaving its sign. This has not only been verified by scientists, but some of the very best in their respected fields. To scientifically prove the existence of Sasquatch, you need a body, but that doesn't mean science hasn't been applied to identifying every source of evidence short of type specimen.
Delete: p
"Persistence pays off, if skills are learned and repeated. I can't wait till someone does it."
DeleteDoes what? What skills? I don't get it.
This TT breakdown is the first I have bothered to watch on this subject. I have not seen or heard the original video and I don't know the back story. But what I see is someone with long blond hair flowing out the front of a hood, except it's not a hood because their ponytail is also visible out the back of the 'hat'. The big furry jacket has a visible shoulder and sleeve and the hat/hood has an edge that frames the face, where the long hair is coming out. How on earth could anyone think this is a furry animal?
ReplyDeleteAn old battle scar or a tuma
ReplyDeleteMMC
Started watching that Ancient Aliens Debunked last night... Confirmed a lot of what I'd been thinking, especially after reading Sitchin Was Wrong a while back. Curiously though, it doesn't get around to answering all the questions, and it doesn't irradicate the idea in me that aliens have visited this planet over tens of thousands of years... A time span that has seen many different advanced civilisations come and go, who had methods of travel, masonry, etc, that we've merely forgotten over time.
DeleteWhat ya think MMC?
Along with what we've forgotten, are times in how distant past where we've shared these various civilisations with other biological entities that have obvious association with ancient building sites that were linked right around the world.
DeleteWatch this space with the Peruvian elongated skulls.
Ancient Aliens debunked. Must be a British show. Curious JOE. Sitchin was wrong. About what? He through so much stuff out there I imagine he was wrong about a lot of things but he helped guide a whole new way of thinking.
DeleteChuck
Hi guys
DeleteI have no doubt that aliens exist and have been around as long as we have. Really my only interest is there technology. With the level of technology that they exhibit they could have easily wiped us out a long time ago so I don't fear them. I just want my own flying saucer
MMC
It was pointed out to me via the Internet source 'Sitchin was Wrong' that the locations of Sitchin's references are never once pointed out in the actual texts and don't even appear to be present. I need to do a bit more digging... But the Ancient Aliens Debunked is very much worth a watch. The film maker used to be a total advocate of the ancient alien theory and still very much feels that there have been alien influences in times past... But it's really quite amazing how much readily accessible information is out there that outlines exactly how they constructed major ancient building sites.
DeleteThey don't address Angkor Wat though... Shame.
What if the reptilians are immune to Ebola?
DeleteMMC
What if Dinosaurs didn't go extinct, they evolved into what is perceived as reptilian humanoids and left the planet on technology they manufactured & developed over 165 million years, often visiting these days as 'aliens'? Pole shifts would have concealed all evidence of their existence under the deep oceans.
DeleteI am not a bleever in macrobiotic evolution Joe. But in a minute after I find a certain video I will link it here
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Not sure I agree with the video in the link. It's just a theory that maybe all this was accomplished prior to humans evolving.
DeleteThey are indeed! I've seen these before! Could Sasquatch have been on the planet the same time as Dinosaurs, giving them far greater evolved attributes over us?
DeleteThey have been around as long as we have Joe.
DeleteMMC
Also Joe, neandratauls had big feet. I wonder if they were hair covered also
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All interesting stuff MMC indeed. If you get that flying saucer pop on down here in Darke County. Only 300 miles away so would take what 5 seconds. Then we can go have lunch on the moon Titan. Always wanted to see it. By the way lunch is on me.
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DeleteU betcha Chuck
DeleteAll We need to do is figure out how to project a gravity field and we r all set.
0 to 10,000 parcepts in a heartbeat. And all while sipping a cold one
MMC
According to Coonbo, one type of Sasquatch look exactly like Vendramini's take on Neanderthals, that are hair covered. The only exception is that Coonbo stated that they have hooded noses, check out 'Them and Us' it ever you're bored.
DeleteHEY MMC. Back in young days, before the mad mothers and when the speed limit was 55 Me and my buddies use to measure the road trip, not by time but by beers. A trip from Sterling Heights, MI to Midland was about 6 beers. Now a trip from here to Titan on your saucer would be about - a thimble. One thing for sure, the beer will not get warm.
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I haven't been waiting for this, nor will I ever. Thank you good day.
ReplyDeleteI was ready to write virtually the same thing, but I stupidly read through the hundred or so posts of inane drivel. Thank you, good day, and why do I bother?
DeleteIndeed.
DeleteLadies and gentlemen, let's hear it for "Last Word" Joe Fitz!
DeleteYou bother for love of science. Real scientists are ready to accept the null hypothesis when it slaps them like a cornered hooker.
DeleteThese 'real scientists' would have to statistically test the data first for that to happen... Funny that all that have, are now enthusiastic about the subject?
DeleteThe evidence is underwhelming. The recordings are a goat in heat. Most of the videos are stumps. Where is the scat? Where are the remains? Where is the forage?
DeleteScience must be replicable.
The evidence accounts for every source short of type specimen. The audio recordings have been published nothing of the sort. Some photographs are indeed stumps. Here's the scat;
Deletehttp://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/scat.htm
... Whilst there is 150 years worth of giant human skeletal remains documented in the US. Science must be replicable yes, like tracks, unknown primate hair. When scientists are restricted to participate, you get a major hold on the development of the progress of research.
LOL.. poop analysis. Still, its absurd to say that something could be Bigfoot scat when it could have very well been any other very large animal that had an abnormal crap. Unless you stood there and watched the crap fall out of the bigfoots butt then you dont really know. And therein lies the problem, you are studying the possible poop of an unknown animal, before you even bothered to prove the animal even exists first. Seems like a shitty way to waste your time to me.
DeleteAnd as for the giant bones, while I am glad you mentioned that because I am very intrigued by the subject now. But you never mention one very vital flaw in this theory that those are bigfoot bones. The reports say they had 6 fingers and 6 toes (and 2 rows of teeth oddly enough) Ive never seen a 6 toed Bigfoot track. So if these giant skeletons do exist I dont think you could really say its a bigfoot. Or do you have some kind of logic loophole to explain those discrepancies as well?
DeleteIt's simple... There are people who spend a lot of time in the outdoors of the US. These people have hunted animals for generations, and know what they're talking about. For example... Deer poop on the run when they're being tracked, so hunters are very tuned to such things. You need to know all about scat to detemine when the pooper was there last, and what the pooper was for reasons of safety. Anyway... The short of it is, there are very experienced, very professional people who have come across scat that can't be of any agknowledged creature;
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... And the problem is only as big as applying what information we already know about the creature in question to any new sources of evidence that's outside of the known animals' traits and behavior. The information and evidence for the existence of Sasquatch accounts for every source short of modern type specimen... By that basis we can apply a steady momentum of information around instances where sightings and track accumulation points to a bipedal subject... All this is what trackers and experienced hunters do for fun.
Grover Krantz; "There are many reports of fecal deposits that resemble those of humans, but which are said to have the volume of as much as an ordinary bucket – ten quarts. In some cases samples have been brought back for analysis, though only a few scientists are willing to look at such material when they are told its suspected source.” Dr. Vaughn Bryant, an Anthropologist at Texas A&M University studied two alleged samples. After examining them microscopically, Bryant was able to rule out humans, moose, elk, deer and bear. While he was unable to identify the scat, he admitted that he still could not positively identify it as coming from a Sasquatch. One of the most revealing studies was done by Dr. W. C. Osman Hill of the London Zoological Society. The results were astonishing. Writes researcher Ivan Sanderson, “This specimen shook up the scientists…this fecal mass did not in anyway resemble that of a known North American animal. On the other hand, it did look humanoid, but it had some peculiar features, as if the lower bowel had a spiral twist. But above all, it was composed exclusively of vegetable matter, and this, as far as could be identified, of local fresh-water plants.” The most exciting revelation, however, was that it contained a certain rare type of larval parasite which is not normally found in the feces of humans or the animals in the area.
Double rows of teeth? Yes. Six fingers and toes? Sometimes, but we also have examples of elongated skulls being documented in the US, to which we only have examples of such found in Peru today which have very recently been the subject of DNA testing. We can't account for how many fingers and toes those bad boys had. Apart from these finds, we have plenty of other morphological traits documented, plenty of which fall under the bracket to which we have room to theorize as Sasquatch skeletons, regardless of their giant size. The giant human skeletal remains that don't document six didgets greatly outnumber those that do, considering some of the burial mounds are thousands of years old, in respect to these types we may be looking at a long ago extinct type of being, much like the elongated subjects of Peru. Here's the only instance I can find on the internet regarding six didgets;
Delete"The Peterson brothers on Lake Lawn Farm in southwest Wisconsin exhibited several strange and freakish features. Their heights ranged between 7.6ft and 10 feet and their skulls “presumably those of men, are much larger than the heads of any race which inhabit America to-day.” They tend to have a double row of teeth, 6 fingers, 6 toes and like humans came in differant races. The teeth in the front of the jaw are regular molars. Heads usually found are elongated believed due to longer than normal life span."
Now if you can find me another one or two instances where these six didgets have been documented, then we might have two instances in the face of innumerable, newspaper reports, history of townships and science journals & publications that don't. Also... If you delve into the instances in history where we have documented tribes with six didgets, this becomes very clear how rare but easily acknowledged such a thing, which mirrors the rarity in frequency in relation to your the Wisconsin giants and the innumerable contrasting examples. The six fingers and toes phenomenon with the regards to the Waorani tribe, for example is very interesting as it occasionally shows up with other people all over the globe. It is not just limited to that one tribe. Actually you can stumbled on other tribe/family groups, which have the six digit phenomenon running through their genetic lines. There is a region near Efes (Ephesus), Turkey, called "AltI Parmak" where many of the people there have historically had six fingers. Although the six digit phenomenon runs in family lines, it also shows up randomly, when a normally recessive gene become dominant. A Waorani boy, from Songpo village in southern China's Hunan province was documented as having extra digits are absolutely normal were functioning. A Cuban man, Yoandri Hernandez Garrido, was documented having six perfectly formed fingers on each of his hands and the six impeccable toes on each foot. Tirso Furcal grew up in the Dominican Republic with six fingers on his left hand and six toes on both feet.
"Fourteen members of the Da Silva family who live near the capital, Brasilia, were born with six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot, thanks to a rare genetic condition called polydactyly. The family's sixth fingers function exactly as the others and don't hinder activities like cooking or guitar playing. Female family members with six toes have had their sixth removed in order to fit into feminine shoes, but the men have kept all six. The family are staunchly proud of their additional digits, and say they believe they can help the national team win their own sixth. "Yes, of course, because we are giving so much energy for Brazil to win the Cup, and I believe this energy will flow onto the pitch and they will play really well and win their sixth World Cup," said 28-year-old Ana Carolina Santos da Silva."
For further reading;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
I think an open wound, a fight laceration, or even a skin lesion draining should be considered regarding the red "zipper". Even Patty had a wound bulge on her thigh - living in the woods , even if you are a Sasquatch , would have inherent dangers.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. That would be a pretty good size wound to show up like that.
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PHIRST!!!
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Thanks for the great coverage Shawn. As always, this is my favorite blog :)
And Joe F ...
Thinker thunker can do things M.K can only dream about
ReplyDeleteThose arms look like they are blocking the sun from the room.. Draping all over the place.. that is fabric bud!
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Hmm I guess Siberian bigfoots look totally different than American bigfoots. Seeing how this majestic beast is big and shaggy and Patty's hair is short so you can make out that muscle movement happening all over the place. Best looking hoax since the PGF one, Ill give them that.
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