Kelly Shaw Report: Northern California Bigfoot Encounter By a Logging Crew, Mid 70s
This story was sent in to Kelly Shaw by Nanc in Northern California. Nanc is related to the loggers in the following story. She believes most are now deceased.
Bigfoot injured by a forest fire was taken away and hidden by the authorities, not even Robert Lindsay can top this story
This story was circulating the internet way back in 2004, or maybe as far back as 1999. Back when everybody was on 56k dial-up modems and a "Facebook" was just a regular book with directory listing of names and headshots. This story was so disturbing and so shocking that nobody believed it at the time. It was the Robert Lindsay " Bear Hunter: Two Bigfoots Shot and DNA Samples Taken " story of the time. And like Robert's Bear Hunter story , this witness didn't have a name. The only thing known about the witness is that this person was a government employee, anonymous of course. The author of the story was a science teacher named Thom Powell who believe it really happened and that the whole story was an elaborate cover-up. Powell said the anonymous government employee alerted the BFRO about a 7.5 feet long/tall burn victim with "multiple burns on hands, feet, legs and body; some 2nd and 3rd degree burns". Sadly, there was no DNA samples taken from...
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ReplyDeletecongrats.dead here tonight
DeleteListen all enthusiasts...
DeleteThis isn't conventional but I would seriously recommend everyone go back to this blog page;
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/melba-ketchum-tells-dean-cain-shes.html?m=0
... And read what Tzieth has to say particularly about cover-ups; some of the best stuff I have ever read and if I was Shawn, I'd be putting this stuff as a blog page.
I can't stress highly enough how good this shit is to read, enthusiasts get all over it.
Lol.
DeleteAll woo topics end up with "the government is covering it up". This is the inevitable eventuality when looking for something that doesn't exist.
SORRY BOUT THAT EARLIER, JOE!
DeleteALL CAPS
Doesn't matter if there is a cover up or not, that wouldn't stop someone from shooting one and only telling 1 or 2 of their closest friends or family to 'get the atv, Harry! We got us a biggun!' Then showing up at their local media outlet (face it, if there is a precious cover up, your local @5 isn't in on it) and still shocking the world.
DeleteIt's not like you're dealing with UFO and ET's, you're dealing with a flesh and blood creature (supposedly) that are numbered in the thousands (breeding population) and in all continental states (rhode island, really?) in The United States.
There's absolutely no reason for it and all logic behind it is flawed.
Name the rarest animal in the world and people still find them and kill them, sell them, eat them, skin them, stuff them, hell...there's even freaks out there that'll f*8K them...
But not bigfoot. You know why? Because it's not a flesh and blood creature, it's a phenomena.
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DeleteOh and no worried ALL CAPS, you're a star bro!
DeleteAnd how typical it is for you to cherry pick one sentence, twist it out of context, attach emotional stigma to it, all while completely ignoring the main point of the post.
DeleteFurthermore, you have Dan Shirley yesterday claiming that not only was his submitted hair sample that came back bear, attained during hibernation, but his SD cards went missing... This is just another instance where eye brows can be raised.
DeleteLook at the Smithsonian for crying out loud! Do you know how much of a paper trail there is of giant skeletons being sent there? It's laughable how many people dismiss this stuff when it's there in front of your very eyes... Furthermore, there are more and more researchers jumping all over this because there is so much information out there... Not Bigdoot researchers but impartial authors who aren't in denial!
Check out some 411. Hundreds of missing people in national forests up and down the country and not so much a piece of disclosure by the forestry commissions as to details and not even lists drawn up of these people? Yeah, right. Why would special forces be drafted in on a couple of ocassions and kept from the general public, and why would these soldiers then proceed up mountains into various other valleys of wilderness areas? These missing people are sadly predominantly children that falls in like with ten thousand years of native culture and understanding of such behaviour.
You do know that bears don't truly hibernate, right? That means they still get up and out, they don't go to sleep on Tuesday the 27th of December and wake up one day in May.
DeleteIt's all buulllllllsshhhiitttt, just like it always has been.
Phenomena.
*Black Bears...
DeleteI cannot speak for the biological actions of bears from different countries and subspecies.
Blonde black bears are one of the most evasive and least known about. They are also resident to Canada and British Columbia... Is it plausible to claim that one would travel to the Sierra's during hibernation?
DeleteWrong again Bobby Boucher.
Delete"Approximately 70% of all black bears are black, though only 50% of black bears in the Rocky Mountains are black.[34] Many black bears in Northwestern North America are cinnamon, blond or light brown in color, and thus may sometimes be mistaken for grizzly bears."
Am I? You still don't account for how a blonde black bear can travel from Canada so the Sierra's during hibernation.
Delete"Bears do not go into a true state of hibernation. Instead they go into what is called "torpor". A state of reduced activity accompanied by lowered metabolism, heart rate and respiration. They typically do this as a result of lower food availability. When in torpor bears may be in deep sleep in their den and might not wake at all even when entered by people etc. but they may also stir, go out, feed, walk about etc."
... Not travel from Canada to the Sierra's.
"Approximately 70% of all black bears are black, though only 50% of black bears in the Rocky Mountains are black.[34] Many black bears in Northwestern North America are cinnamon, blond or light brown in color, and thus may sometimes be mistaken for grizzly bears."
DeleteWhere do you get off stating that color is only native to BC?
We had a cinnamon and a blonde checked in a few weeks ago in my state on the eastern side of the country. We always have several color varieties killed every year.
But what do I know, I only live in America and hunt the species, fuck me right?
Hell last time I was inside the actual office of our local Game Commission (not just the weigh station) they had a full body mount of a blonde black bear that was hit by a car.
DeleteJoe, you of all people should not be shocked nor stating anything about bears after what Sykes did to your Yeti.
DeleteOr did you block out those results?
Hello Crampz... You have a nerve asking me to stop harassing you when you now resort to anonimaty.
DeleteI get off stating that because Dan Shirley said that. Also..,
"Two rare color phases are found in coastal British Columbia and southeastern Alaska where populations are isolated by mountains. The Kermode bear, a subspecies of black bear (Ursus americanus kermodei), lives on a few islands along the coast of British Columbia. Most of them are black, but in some areas up to 20% are creamy white and called Spirit Bears."
Through history the people to that region have used the name Yeti for a couple of different creatures all categorised under the label of what the word translates to 'that thing' or 'that creature'.
DeleteThree supposed Yeti samples for someone with closure desperation would seem conclusive... Three samples to even an impartial viewpoint would suggest that three samples; are three samples.
Think how little an amount that is. To suggest that these samples were 'the best the world has to offer' is quite a claim and one from a viewpoint that does not consider how big a region that place is, to which ironically for the skeptic... With the discovery of a new bear begs the question; 'what else is hidden out here.
The footprints example taken of the grizzly bear in America simply does not account for prints with dermals, scaring and toe bending.
Are you paranoid?
DeleteDan Shirley and Dan Campbell can say what they want but unless it's backed by science, it doesn't mean diddly.
We're not talking about a subspecies of bear or black bear, it's an anomaly in genetics not a subspecies. It happens nationwide in their habitat, uncommon but not unheard of.
Notice all those ticks and fidgeting that Dan Shirley showed off too? Psychological issue, perhaps PTSD from Vietnam. Perhaps Neurological.
Him and Matt Moneymaker are the last two people I'd trust with anything.
And still... You elude to the point I'm making, blonde black bears, not by my opinion but my many other sources, wouldn't travel from Canada to the Sierra's during hibernation.
DeleteI know it's Daniel because he's using bold. I really don't see why we can't have a civil debate, but what makes me laugh is he suggested I was harassing him the other day and them goes under anonimaty at me?
Dan Shirley provided one of the most comprehensive examples ever recorded on footage of wood knocking communication. This was completely forgotten about when they tried going down the same disgusting labeling tactics of mental illness and religious ideals that skeptics use regularly when they have nothing else. The fact that he is a Vietnam vet is merely convenient for such a reason. Dan isn't a professional in front of camera but a nice, everyday guy, probably quite nervous in trying to articulate his feelings.
PS - Anybody with half a brain can use HTML tags in their posts. Do you think Dan magically does it? Here's a hint...since google is your #1 tool, go look up some HTML tags.
DeleteYou keep referencing a subspecies an not addressing the facts that any black bear population, no matter the location, can have blonde and cinnamon phase black bears. It's a genetic anomaly, not an evolutionary outcome.
The bear wouldn't have to walk about from BC to the Sierra's...it was in the Sierra's to begin with.
Your friend John W. Jones preachers that wood knocks and howls are pure garbage, as well as preaches about the nocturnal statements are garbage...yet you always want to praise him.
It's like bigfoot is some all-encompassing superman figure to you.
News flash: Somebody is lying...is it John, is it Dan, is it Joe, or is it all of you?
I'll go with option C, Alex.
I'd just like to say isn't it a bit peculiar how often things are 'convenient' in the footer realm?
DeleteKooky researchers, crazy eyewitnesses, cover up cop-outs, paranormal claims...
All ends up with one end result...lack of physical hard evidence.
Speaking of eluding points, Joe, you have been eluding anon2:20 this whole time. You cherry picked one sentence and went on a tirade.
DeleteTry ingesting the message of the post before glossing over it.
^that is exactly what you would expect to occur when dealing with a creature that doesn't exist. Exactly what is expected happens every single time. No bigfoot.
DeleteIt is widely accepted that woodknocking is a means for the Sasquatch to communicate to each other about the presence of us. This is something both myself and John agree on, however there are plenty of results of which would contradict that notion. The fact that Dan got a woodblock back could quite easily have been for warning reasons. Either way, he got it on tape and this was conveniently left out when they judged him.
DeleteI can and have, referenced countless sources where biological evidence has been documented. That's not kooky, paranormal... That's anthropological & archeological studies from some of the longest standing universities in the the country. It makes me laugh that you can avoid that and maintain that Bigfoot is outside of the realms of scientific possibilities when you have everything to counter that in the libraries up and down your country.
Sure, sure, whatever desperate measures you have to go to to keep yourself convinced.
DeleteIf you ever decide to venture back into reality, be sure and let us know.
Fin
Fin, you leant something today and you were welcome.
DeleteFin = End. Finished. Done.
DeleteYou nincompoop.
If breathing wasn't an involuntary action, you would have died long ago.
Fin is an actual name.
DeleteSorry to have ruined your day.
Check out this video by Dan Shirley:
DeleteTHIS COULD BE AN UNKNOWN SUBSPECIES OF BIGFOOT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVjyaSLa_a4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUpO20_fIp98XQ33P8ZM0UXg
You can clearly see paws and a pointed ear on top of its head.
And here is his explanation on why it isn't a bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhTNAIRaaHQ&list=UUpO20_fIp98XQ33P8ZM0UXg
There is no way in hell this is a primate of any kind. Yet I guarantee the conspiracy nut jobs would be crying "COVER UP!!!!!!!" if dna from this came back as bear.
You act like children pissing and moaning and making excuses when you are wrong and something doesn't go your way.
For the record I WANT bigfoot to be real. I don't NEED bigfoot to be real. The need for these creatures to exist is what makes people to lose objectivity.
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DeleteDespite their name, black bears range in color from blond through various shades of brown to black. About 95% of bears in the Sierra are some shade of brown and only about 5% are truly black. Color changes through the year are common in bears. Guard hairs start bleaching immediately after the molt, which occurs sometime between May and September. Molting is signaled by the appearance of new guard hairs, which are shorter and darker. They first emerge around the eyes and lower limbs, and then extend up the limbs and down the face and flanks, finishing along the spine.
Deletehttp://www.sierrawild.gov/bears/biology
Schooled.
Here is an American Black Bear photographed In Yosemite National Park, California. Not British Columbia.
DeleteNote the color
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwolf/8722256260/
Yeah, you can have your blonde bears in California thing, I did my own research and found the same conclusions... I was merely reiterating what Dan Shirley claimed on the video posted yesterday.
DeleteBlonde bears in California don't debunk a cover up, blonde bears in California don't debunk Bigfoot.
Understandable you should jump all over that, cause I don't see you countering subject matter that is the reason I logged on here today though... To show you a thing or two about what's really going on.
I think it is more than fair to question someones claims when they call an obvious bear a bigfoot. Their need to prove bigfoot so badly clouds there judgement.
Delete*their judgement
DeleteKing of Nothing. Sounds legit.
DeleteJoe. I don't know if you're linked into this thread. But I went back and read Tsieths Macro Evolution Government agenda commentary and found much of it compelling. Problem. Tzieth espouses a premise early on that troubles me. Sasquatch are nocturnal. It is said as of it were scientifically predetermined. Like Dan C watching the new Ancient Aliens broadcast I was disheartened. Look. I engaged Tzieth personally only once. Just long enough to understand that whomever they are they are certainly Intelligent and Resourceful. I have engaged John Jones many times and find him to be experienced and enlightened. But presupposing a Sasquatch is primarily nocturnal or vegetarian troubles me. I have personally seen evidence of predation I have personally seen and heard and experienced daylight activity. As you can tell from the Dam Shirley thread, I believe whole heartedly in the failings of agenda driven scientific research as it pertains to this phenomenon. I find the same troubling truths arise from agenda driven footers believers or enthusiasts who seek to enlighten or inform after they have made a Conclusory statement. Please follow up by email. M
DeleteOf course because I disagree with these beliefs in no way makes them any less valid or the people whom espouse them any less correct. Much Respect. M
DeleteSometimes I espouse them menstrual cramps real hard.
DeleteKEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KELLY SHAW!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThese reports are excellent!
Reports are not evidence
DeleteWhen you have the frequency there is of reports... Then yes, it can quite easily be touted as evidence.
DeleteAnecdotal evidence, yes.
DeleteAnecdotes don't find, classify, categorize, recognize, and validate species.
Ten thousand years worth with tracks and video footage should do.
DeleteI wasn't aware the Clovis civilization possessed that technology.
DeleteTen million trillion anecdotes do not find, classify, recognize, or validate species.
They do when you have the frequency that this subject has, accumilated with the physical evidence there is also. Tracks, anecdotes and footage were good enough for western science to investigate the Bili Ape, and when there was finally a collective effort; it was recognised.
DeleteAnd the transition of accounts from ten thousand years worth of native culture into modern day mediums is what I suggested previously.
DeleteAnimalism and personification, with a spice of cultural 'spook' stories so the budding teens wouldn't sneak away to pork.
DeleteActually, the Bili Ape was already highly speculated about because of poachers, pictures, and bones before it was ever studied.
Plus they aren't 9ft 800lb human like creatures...they are big chimps.
Anecdotes don't mean jack diddly in terms of hard evidence, they are just good yarns told from person to person.
For years and years the Bili Ape was denied by science after the natives to the region had told accounts of it. For decades people indigenous to certain parts of the Congo region in Central Africa spoke of apes they refered to as “lion killers.” Said to be chimpanzees the size of gorillas, these apes were the subject of a Michael Crichton book Congo which was considered to be fiction when it was made into a film. Starting in 2009 a team of scientists had studies them for two years.
DeleteThe civil war started in 1998 and finished in 2003, the natives had spoken of these chimps for a ridiculous amount of time, plus... Any physical evidence attained was after science acknowledged it; pretty telling considering there hasn't been such an effort from mainstream science for Sasquatch.
Whether they are chimps the size of gorillas, or giant hairy bipeds, the principle is the same.
To go with the ten's of thousands of eye witness testimony (a lot of which multiple person), we have thousands of years of Native American culture. Thousands... wall paintings some 8 feet tall true to size and if you know anything about indigenous culture, you would know that ceremonies, dances, utensil designs like baskets, all these things indigenous people do to pass down historical events, identity and culture because, as some may claim; written texts can be manipulated and missinterpreted. There is an easily attainable timeline of Native American culture by the determining the age of settlement sites. Burnt wood and other means have been used to carbon date areas where indigenous peoples who maintain the Bigfoot culture have resided.
You just can't be concise, can you? Longwinded copy pasting shmuck.
DeleteNot being actively studied by science doesn't mean it's being denied, you pood.
I see you're back to pseudo logic again, well if A is true, maybe B is true and if B is true that means C is true, for C to be true, D has to be true...
Before you know it Jesus is bigfoot delivering presents to needy children across the globe while building stone megaliths and causing chemtrails in Los Angeles.
AHAHAHHAHA JOE I HAVE NO MORE WORDS!
DeleteNow a certain number of anectodal evidence should validate a species? Well, sorry to ruin your day, but science does not work this way, physical evidence validate a species. Again, we do have bones from 65+ million years ago of monster creatures and still we do not have a single bone from a living species roaming half of the world. And do not talk of acidic rainforests, because in Cretaceous the climate and so the environment was far far far more acidic than now! Go to study and then come back please, poor ignorant!
Let's validate dragons, elves, trolls, unicorns etc. because there are anectodal evidence also for them!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
DO NOT INTERACT WITH JOE
Delete"“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”"
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DeleteSame tired and droll copy n pastes crap as usual, I see. ^
DeleteHow about some original thoughts with hard evidence for once?
Schooled, now boo-hoo somewhere else.
DeleteOnly person I've seen schooled here today is CopyJoe FitzPaste. He's still eluding all the points above that shit him up, his shoddy claims about black bears, glossing over the fact local news stations and journalists aren't under a study conspiracy, how he pushes claims from every different camp of footers but won't align himself with any of his own thoughts, the defensive copy pastes...
DeleteWe know your game, kid, and your game just like your biological knowledge is weak.
Fin
Read my posts and weep boy... The only reason you got upset is cause you can't counter what I write. YOU elude to every other point I have made on this blog thread, and I can post article upon article that backs up my claims...
DeleteUpset? Go go cry somewhere else about it.
Ah, the daily moan of no one engaging you to your liking. Sorry, Mr. All About Me, but not everything is about you or about what you want -- to any degree.
DeleteYou got logically destroyed this morning and you cry and moan about debates?
Weak, weak as your game.
I hear Narnia is nice this time of year though!
LOL
Ha!
DeleteYou have not presented me with anything to back up your claims that there is not a conspiracy going on in the face of so many examples, let alone to lies about Bili Apes, etc. When you can debunk 150 years of printed news media, university studies 200 years of missing people's cases... Then you can suggest someone has been 'destroyed'.
Yes, it certainly is all about me ss far as you are concerned... Your focus is totally on me, but just because you can elude to such lists of things that back up my points, doesn't mean anyone is weak other than you old boy.
Schooled.
I'd like to interject with boisterous laughter at the "you can't prove it's NOT a conspiracy!!!" line.
DeleteThat's just comedy gold.
I think even someone as agenda driven as you can read take from the comment what was implied. It would require something very special to debunk printed news media.
DeleteWhat's hilarious is your show piece sensitive side and then anonymous trolling. You must have an ego if you think people wouldn't have recognised your bold writing.
Oh dear...
I stole the bold and italics idea from anon. Probably same anon.
DeleteStop being so accusatory.
"Stop harassing me... I repeat!"
DeleteOh dear Danny Boy...
And since you want to act like a little prick, I'm out. Obnoxious fuck.
DeleteMade a mistake even posting one word.
And you wonder why more and more people post anonymously, it's because of pricks like you.
Keep it up, you'll get banned, mark my words.
Mark your words? Ha ha ha ha!!!!
DeleteSMOKE+TARD=JOE
DeleteJoe is a maroon
ReplyDeleteDon't interact with him.
DeleteReally though, if he was half of what he thought he was then he wouldn't be posting on here so much when he could be on the BFF with footers famous and infamous, the delusional and occasionally rational, those skeptics that don't troll and the footers that actually chronicle their expeditions.
DeleteInstead he mucks the trenches, spamming the place up, and acting like a big fish in a small pond.
That either screams troll or psychological disorder... I haven't been able to decide which.
12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891
Delete(published in 1894)
(Pike County, Illinois)
No. 11 is now 35 by 40 feet at the base and 4 feet high. In the center, 3 feet below the surface, was a vault 8 feet long and 3 feet wide. In the bottom of this, among the decayed fragments of bark wrappings, lay a skeleton fully seven feet long, extended at full length on the back, head west. Lying in a circle above the hips were fifty-two perforated shell disks about an inch in diameter and one-eighth of an inch thick.
12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891
(published in 1894)
(Kanawha County, West Virginia)
Spring Hill Inclosure, Kanawha County, West Virginia. In the bottom of Mound 11 (upper left) was found a skeleton "fully seven feet long."
Largest in the collective series of mounds, the Great Smith Mound yielded at least two large skeletons, but at different levels of its deconstruction by Thomas' agents. It was 35 feet in height and 175 feet in diameter, and was constructed in at least two stages, according to the report. The larger of the two skeletons represented a man conceivably approaching eight feet in height when living.
At a depth of 14 feet, a rather large human skeleton was found, which was in a partially upright position with the back against a hard clay wall...All the bones were badly decayed, except those of the left wrist, which had been preserved by two heavy copper bracelets...
Nineteen feet from the top the bottom of this debris was reached, where, in the remains of a bark coffin, a skeleton measuring 7½ feet in length and 19 inches across the shoulders, was discovered. It lay on the bottom of the vault stretched horizontally on the back, head east, arms by the sides... Each wrist was encircled by six heavy copper bracelets...Upon the breast was a copper gorget...length, 3½ inches; greatest width 3¾ inches...
... And you know summin? I have yet to repeat the same post of evidence about the Smithsonian yet! That's how much is out there.
DeleteThe more you cry, the more I will bring you what you hate me for the... The truth.
Schooled.
Actually yes you have. No matter how many cut n pastes, it's always the 12th Annual blah blah blah.
DeleteYou have yet to realize that's exactly what we're trying to get you to do, get yourself banned.
The truth is no bigfoot
DeleteAnd how does a Tard, who trolls a Bigfoot blog get an enthusiast banned for posting facts, literature and documented anthropologal & archeological studies?
DeleteIf you want a social life, either go and get friends in the real world, or join a dating site or something. Hell knows you sound like you need to get laid.
That's the difference between you and me... I use this blog as it should be because I don't need friends on a blog, and you quite clearly are getting rattled because your social deficiencies are being highlighted.
Grow up and get some friends, cause I'm not going anywhere.
Just because you're fanatical and obsessive about a topic doesn't mean you are impervious to ban hammers, plenty of hardcore bleevers get banned over at BFF all the time.
DeleteI have to hand it to you though, it's been a while since I've seen someone go full ethos, pathos, logos in one goddamned paragraph.
Can you decide on one mode o persuasion next time?
Kthanxbye
Keep wishing Tard! Notice you don't debate me but bed for my removal instead?
DeletePretty pathetic.
Since you are unfamiliar with Aristotle and philosophy, Joe, let me show you how your last comment was portrayed:
Delete"Pathos (plural: pathe) is an appeal to the audience’s emotions, and the terms pathetic and empathy are derived from it. It can be in the form of metaphor, simile, a passionate delivery, or even a simple claim that a matter is unjust. Pathos can be particularly powerful if used well, but most speeches do not solely rely on pathos. Pathos is most effective when the author or speaker demonstrates agreement with an underlying value of the reader or listener.
In addition, the speaker may use pathos to appeal to fear, in order to sway the audience. Pathos may also include appeals to audience imagination and hopes; done when the speaker paints a scenario of positive future results of following the course of action proposed."
Blah, blah, blah... Ha!! I'm not going anywhere Crampz, so go and cry where it counts.
DeleteHa ha ha ha!!
Don't thank me. I've been reading along myself.
DeleteYou ain't fooling anyone Crampz... I find it hilarious you'd cry harassment! Ha ha ha!
DeleteMerde de cheval complete!
DeleteGood morning ladies get up get out and get something don't spend all your time tryin to get high
ReplyDeleteOr good morning ladies you should be gettin it getting money I'm talkin bout you black don't laugh it ain't funny
Name those tunes fuckfaces you think I'd forget about you
DeleteMy friends brothers girlfriends uncles aunts kids stepfathers dads brothers next door neighbor saw a Bigfoot. I got the story first hand
ReplyDeleteMMC
Seems like the real deal
DeleteAnon 2:33, Good post. However I think the catch phrase should be. Acting like a big turd in a small toilet.
ReplyDeleteMaroons
ReplyDeleteJoe you moron. Stop talking about things you don't know anything about such as black bear color phases. Just STFU. Everything you post is riddled with BS. ALL OF IT. O.k., you are not fooling anybody. Except perhaps yourself.
ReplyDeleteYes, PJ should go climb up a brown phase taterhole and hibernate up there.
ReplyDeleteDid somebody say my name? I'm pretty sure someone said my name.
ReplyDeleteEyewitness accounts are NOT evidence. If it was then Elvis, Michael Jackson, the Virgin Mary, Jesus, lake monsters, aliens and ghosts would knocking on our doors. How many people claim they talk to the Virgin Mary?
ReplyDeleteWhy is it in a court of law, that a 1st account eye witness is the strongest kind of evidence in a case where a criminal is convicted? Can not ignore eye witness accounts. Especially group eye witnesses whom all make nearly the same statement.
DeleteStandards for evidence in law and biology are vastly different. Poor comparison.
Delete5:10anon nailed it.
DeleteBesides, most criminal cases have some type of hard evidence, ie. fingerprints, clear video or photo of subjects face or distinguishable features (tattoos, etc.), the footwear they were wearing having the same soil deposits as crime scene, cell phone tracking, credit card/ATM/debit card usage, monetary serial numbers, and most importantly DNA matches.
It's also argued on a basis of what the current interpretation of the law is, the judge, and the jury.
Law and biology are vastly different.
But hey, I heard Elvis is in Kalamazoo right now, might go and see if I can spot him.
Law has to convince 12 random people on a jury, Biology is repeatable, verifiable hard evidence that can be shown and explained.
DeleteThere's also court cases where murderers have been convicted without a body. Type in 'April Jones of Wales murder case' into Google search for this.
DeleteIn America those cases are because of technological advances for the most part.
DeleteStill doesn't make a difference, you still have to convince 12 random jurors in law. Biology is repeatable and verifiable facts, it's not up to interpretation.
Law is interpretable, bottom line.
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DeleteYet someone can be convicted of a murder without a body, based on anecdotal evidence.
DeleteAnd Kelly, great point!
DeleteI never, ever see any come back for multiple sightings being put to them... This is conveniently side stepped, avoided like the plague.
First take much when the guy confesses he was at least "partially responsible for her death."
DeleteHe confessed dude, no body needed. She suffered from Cerebral Palsy, not like she planned her own demise in some Eddie and The Cruisers movie, just to 'get away from it all.'
Historically convictions of murder without a body have been hard to prove, forcing the prosecution to rely on other kinds of evidence, usually circumstantial. Onciously, modern developments in forensic science have made it less likely that murderers go unpunished.
Deletehttp://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=95807
The link I provided you is the A-Z Guide to Murder Cases Without a Body.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." ^^
DeleteIf the existence of bigfoot were to be decided in a court of law do you honestly think 12 random people would be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that they are real?
DeleteIf the 12 people were impartial to all the facts, not in denial and agenda driven; I don't see why not.
DeleteJoe is a troll from jref pretending to be a dumb footer
ReplyDelete"We have lots of hearsay and conjecture, those are kinds of evidence" essentially joes argument for bigfoot. Joe is the Lionel Hutz of footery.
ReplyDeleteDermals
DeleteLanguage
Footage
100 years of printed news media
150 years of university studies
Ten thousand years of native acknowledgment
Tens of thousands of eyewitnesses (multiple person much of)
Unknown primate DNA
Thermals
That is essentially Joe's argument for Bigfoot.
1. Every animal has dermals, no species is ever been validated with dermals.
Delete2. "Language"? What the fuck that means? What argument is this?
3. All blurry and inconclusive. Inconclusive because you can't rule out the possibility of an hoax. No HD video ever made.
4. Oh well we all know that news media give always true and verified news, right?
5. Yeah and none of them coming to the conclusion "Bigfoot exists"
6. Natives had tellies of many other monsters or superior beings, nothing new there
7. We have tens of thousands of eyewitnesses of lake monsters, megalodons, mega-birds, chupacabras, aliens, wolfmen, etc. Again, nothing new here
8. Last time I checked one of the biggest expert in DNA came up with bears, racoons, beaver, horses and 100% homo sapiens sapiens DNA. Nothing unknown
9. See point 3
You know what is lacking? BONES
We have bones of monsters lived 65+ millions years ago, and still no bones of supposed living thousands of Bigfoot roaming half of the world. Again, you seem to evade this argument, don't come up with the "acidic forests" argument and that dead bodies decompose quickly, in Cretaceous and Triassic the atmosphere and the environment in general were far far far more acidic then now, CO2 concentrations were at least an order of magnitude higher.
UTTERLY DESTROYED, PWNED, SCHOOLED
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." ^^
DeleteOh God, is this the biggest schooling ever made to Joe? Seriously Joe, do you really like being ridiculed in this way?
Delete^ Yes, also to me this is the biggest.
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DeleteYou do understand Jeff Meldrum is the originator of that 'branch of classifying animals by tracks'?
DeleteIt's not an actual scientific thing.
Breaking news: according with a woman or with a "branch" doesn't make this thing as the scientific community way to ago,
DeleteAgain with that Smithsonian shit? Why people IN THE WORLD (take care, as you say Bigfoot is not only in America, and the Smithsonian is only in America) does not find bones NOW? As you sometimes find bear bones... or cougar bones... or even fossils... WHY?
My God how hopeless you are
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DeleteYeah. Smithsonian cover up, obviously.
DeleteAh, fossils are buried but we find them nonetheless
Has joe convinced any fence sitters that bigfoot is real? The answer is a resounding no.
ReplyDeleteWho's out to convince fence sitters? You are here trying to troll a Bigfoot blog... And getting upset cause I'm coming at you.
DeleteHey joe fitz Canadian guy!!! I got a couple questions for u and I think u will be interested so u care to talk for a second??
DeleteWell for past couple years I've been trying to get my ducks in a row here and not approaching my ace in the hole area without a good plan and I think the way everyone is going about this is wrong !!!! I've thought about this 100 ways to Sunday and proving they exsist is not going to work we now they exsist so big deal the govt doesn't won't to have it come out due to the impact on forestry industry !!! Bottom line just like the spotted owl everyone knows about that so I want to get payed $$$$ bottom line!! So if I can shoot one then I can film one and show who ever in the forestry industry , here it is now what do u want to do?? U want me to go back out shoot one and bring it to the news !!! Haha don't think they will let that happen so joe what are your thoughts???????? Have a good day buddy!!!
DeleteAlso joe fitz my choice to do it this way is cause I have a heart and to bring this public would cause so many people to loose there jobs, family's homes etc over this subject would be terrible and your name would be mudd to all those families and others!! These animals r perfectly fine on there own an will have no problem surving until maybee the day when land is over populated with people but that's just me take it for what it is! Canadian guy have a great Christmas !
DeletePrecisely, Joe. You post interesting information on this subject, on a site about this subject, and you get attacked...(?!?) Keep up the good work mate. Tim,U.K.
DeleteHey TTL and Tim, much respect guys!
DeleteThe Questions are:
ReplyDeleteWhat is a Big foot researcher?
How does one become a Big foot researcher?
What qualities, skills one must have to be a serious researcher?
Does a sighting/encounter, make you a researcher?
Does a story, one tells, make him a researcher?
How does a "City bred" researcher differ from a "Seasoned Outdoorsman"?
Is one a Big foot researcher, yet never goes out in the field?
Is one a researcher, who never gets out of his car?
Is one a researcher, if they don't go beyond a couple of hundred yards from a road?
Does a Big foot club, that goes out in the field only on weekends, qualify as researchers?
Can anyone answer 'Maturely" these questions?
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Sup dork.
DeleteJohn w jones it's Canadian guy what's with everyone beating up on joe f. What did he do on here?? And how is your book doing? Hope u have a good christmas sir !!
DeleteHey TTL, a hate campaign and it's basically the same two or three pretending trolling... nothing I can't handle bro! Hope all's well with you?
DeleteEnlighten me, What does a supdork mean? My IQ doesn't register that low, sounds like baby talk. goo-goo-gag-a stuff.
DeleteI also see you never leave your name, you hide, like a coward, behind an Anon listing.Got no balls huh!
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Hey Canadian Guy! There picking on Joe, because their SCARED of him! His level of intelligence, is far and above the mental retards that come on here.
DeleteNotice, they can never counter Jor's comments with mature intelligent remarks (maybe except Dan Campbell). They always ATTACK him with childish vile comments. That's what happens when their "H" brain can't hold the power of KNOWLEDGE!
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Hey John, hope all is well with you buddy... How's he book coming on?
DeleteFrom what I can tell, the qualifications for Bigfoot "researcher" are:
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Beer Belly
Cut off shirts
Unkempt beard
Plenty of Camo clothes
Grade 9 education
Baseball cap ( sometimes optional)
There are probably many others, but these seem to be the minimum requirements.
Hey Canadian Guy! Working on my book, as much as I can. Right now i'm busy trapping, and looking for a pack of Wolves, probably came from your country.
DeleteThey'r making a mess of things. We got their pattern figured out. Their hunt range, is almost a 60 mile circuit.
I was in a local paper that claimed i shot one, but their info was wrong. I shot a 75 Lb. Coyote near a ski range. Because "she" was so large, it was mistaken for a Wolf.
Writing this book is both hard and easy. I don't want to include all the BF history stuff, that's been written in over 40 books. I'm trying as much as possible to include Facts, but of course, what constitute Facts? It's all based on one's perception.
It will be a 2 part book. One is all about very detailed hunting and search methods (We use, as compared to others). The other part, is all about our 10 year adventure in trying to prove something, that most "City bred" or "armchair experts" say don't exist!
The last chapter will not be written until June. During our May 2014 expedition, we "will be" taking a true hardcore skeptic (No, not Danny boy) He's a Bear hunting guide from Maine. With 40 years of outdoor experience, under his belt. He's no pussy! It'll cost me about $2,,500.00 to bring him in. I pay, out of my own pocket!
My publisher wants it finished by October 2014. Joe F. and Mike B. will help me along.
Well anyway, have a merry Xmas. Contact me anytime. If you have any ideas, I would like to hear them Canadian Guy!
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Let's look at what qualifies a Tard shall we? Let's...
DeleteDependance of community to make up lack of belonging
Chronic denialism
A missunderstanding of skepticism
Fear
Anxiety of the unknown
Requirement of reassurance
Closure desperation
... How many of those do you tick Don?
John, give us just one little bit of proof that your story is true. How about showing us the article in the paper about you shooting a coyote?
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DeleteWoodknocking is nonsense - nothing more than a parlour trick. If you go into the woods and start knocking on different trees eventually you get an echo. So, don't buy the woodknocking BS - i believe in the big guy exists but this woodknocking game has gone too far.
ReplyDeleteExcellent post, and observation. Much respect.
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^John Jones complimenting himself. Merde de cheval complete!
DeleteOff topic for a second joe fitz but I got three deer sleeping in front of mere right now thought it was kind of funny and it's -39 today still can't belive how these animals live through r winter! Amazing!! Canadian guy!
ReplyDeleteJoe , forget your evidence arguments. We have enough to convict you of being stupid and delusional. Sentence: Banned
ReplyDeleteAnd we have enough evidence to convict you of just plain stupidity! Anon coward!
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^Leave my brother alone!
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Dear Santa,
ReplyDeleteFor Christmas I want a pony and a sled. And a self-aware disembodied taterhole fish. And I want Joe to get banned from BE.
^Yes, Shawn--give us all a wonderful Christmas present. Ban Joe! Joy to the World...
ReplyDeleteI agree with the above.
DeleteI love ponies!!!
DeleteJoe, read this link. It clearly states there are blonde bears in the Tahoe area. Which, in case you didn't know, is in the Sierras. Beautiful place. I spent a week hiking in the Desolation Wilderness area there last June. Hiked to the top of several peaks...good times.
Deletehttp://www.tahoewildbears.org/black_bear_facts.htm
Sup dork.
DeleteWas wondering where you were Sup dork guy.
DeleteYeah, you can have your blonde bears in California thing, I did my own research and found the same conclusions... I was merely reiterating what Dan Shirley claimed on the video posted yesterday.
DeleteYeah, why post an original thought when you can just reiterate someone else, huh Joe?
DeleteAsk your JREF friends... Weren't they the ones you had to turn to when you didn't have the brain to work out the link between Sykes' relict Homind migrations out of Africa and Nature Journal.
DeleteI saw that and laughed... No original thought processes there old boy.
My Christmas wish, is to have only mature intelligent people comment here, about Big Foots , whether they exist, or not!
DeleteAnd.... More information from Joe. He's holding back. Joe! Unleash your wealth of knowledge, show these mental midgets, their place.
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Thank god there is John W Jones in the world.
DeleteFor those here interested in alien abductions:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.stopabductions.com/
Listen up enthusiasts: ppppspppsssssshhhhhhssshhhhhhh plop. TEEE HHHH TTTTEhhhEEEEE....
ReplyDeleteSounds like a 5 or 6 on the Bristol scale!
DeleteYou bigfooters will fuckin' believe ANYTHING!
ReplyDeleteThird person video accounts of BF reports are not interesting.
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