Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Tyler Huggins and Bart Cutino Share Statements & First Forensic Lab Report On Sierra Kills Sample


Tyler Huggins' statement:

Click Here to Download Full DNA findings report

On October 8, 2010, Justin Smeja and a friend claim to have encountered three animals with characteristics that match typical eyewitness descriptions of Bigfoots or Sasquatch.  Smeja claims to have shot two of the three subjects. Numerous lines of reasoning and corroborating evidence have caused me to believe him (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.ca/2012/08/tyler-huggins-why-i-believed-justin.html). Smeja claims to have left the site with neither a body nor physical evidence of what he had shot, but a few weeks later he was compelled to return to the site in an effort to retrieve evidence of his claims. The landscape of the site had changed appreciably due to abundant snowfall and change of season, but at the location where they felt one of the animals had expired, Smeja and friend recovered a substantial amount of tissue with hair attached. They were very confident that characteristics of the recovered hide scrap matched the animal that Smeja shot. Smeja then submitted some of this tissue to Dr. Melba Ketchum through Derek Randles, and in a separate undertaking, provided samples to me (Tyler Huggins) and then to Bart Cutino.[1]

In April of 2012, I contracted one of Canada’s most respected forensic DNA labs at Trent University to determine the samples’ species of origin.[2]  Director Dr. Bradley White (Canada Research Chair in Genetics), who has authored papers related to both human and non-human mammalian genomes, became personally involved in the efforts to genetically identify the tissue, and was very indulgent of my questions and challenges to his lab’s work.  My hope was for the results to indicate that the tissue came from an uncatalogued primate (including potential hominids). In November 2012, after a prolonged effort and after withstanding my many challenges to their conclusions (as well as challenges from many other concerned parties, including Justin Smeja), Trent University provided me with their final report. (Between these two dates, there are volumes of data and dialogue which we are attempting to make available for public consideration).  Bart Cutino’s American lab has now corroborated Trent University’s results, and we are finally ready to make a statement regarding the data.

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Each lab independently identified only two contributors (the presence of DNA from only two animals). They identified the primary contributor as Ursus americanus (Black Bear), and the secondary contributor as Homo sapiens (Human). Download full report here.

When forensic results indicate the presence of ‘human-looking’ DNA, the first thing to do is to test the “chain of custody” – in other words, compare the human DNA of the sample against the DNA of all humans who have handled the sample. As the submitter, Justin Smeja would logically be first on that list. We subsequently obtained and compared Smeja’s own DNA against that of the human DNA found in the sample. 

*The only human DNA present in the sample was found to be a match for Justin Smeja’s own DNA.[3]

It should be noted that Trent University was able to obtain only mitochondrial DNA from the human contribution in the sample. Apparently the human DNA in the sample came from a source that does not provide much nuclear (genomic) DNA (nDNA), or it was too degraded or too scant to provide viable nDNA.[4] As such, the lab was able to compare only the mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) of the tissue sample to that of Justin Smeja. Smeja’s mDNA showed no divergence from any of the 423bp that were compared against the mDNA present in the sample.  While the mDNA of the technician working on the sample was also tested and did show divergence from the mDNA of the sample, this test is not precise enough to conclusively rule out every other human as a potential source for the contaminant human DNA that was present in the sample. Fortunately, the work done by the American lab that Bart Cutino contracted was able to provide augmenting data that makes us very confident (though very disappointed) that the only human DNA present in the tissue sample is in fact that of Justin Smeja.[5]

As disappointing as this is, we must keep a few points in mind:
  • There are many strong reasons to believe Smeja’s account other than just the expectations surrounding this tissue (including a passed polygraph that established a pristine absence of any deceit). (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.ca/2012/08/tyler-huggins-why-i-believed-justin.html
  • We knew from the start that this tissue may not have originated from the subjects he claims to have shot.  No claims were ever made about this tissue other than that it seemed to be good circumstantial evidence. 
  • Bart Cutino is in possession of boots from Justin Smeja, which Smeja claims one of the animals bled onto after he shot it. This boot evidence then, is direct and not circumstantial.  We will be pursuing testing of these boots. However, these boots have been exposed to contamination from other animals and Justin himself. Additionally, the boots were exposed to the elements for many months, so degradation is sure to add complexity to any efforts at DNA retrieval. Once we are confident of the best lab to perform this work, and once we are confident that testing methods are advanced enough to give us optimal chances of identifying all DNA present, those efforts can begin. This undertaking may be a “one-shot” affair, so we need to get it right the first time.

I would like to thank the following people for their support and efforts in so many different ways:

Justin Smeja, Gary Cronin and Bart Cutino. Dr. Bradley White, Tasnova Khan and Dr. Martyn Obbard of Trent University. Additional input was provided by Ken Walker, Dr. D. Jeffrey Meldrum, John Green, Dr. Henner Fahrenbach, Dr. Craig Newton, Wally Hersom, Todd Prescott and others.


Authored by Tyler Huggins

[1] In a polygraph which showed absolutely no evidence of deceit, Smeja has asserted that the samples I received from him originate from the exact same source (the same piece of hide and flesh) as the samples he provided to Melba Ketchum.
[2] I also sought opinions regarding the morphology of the hair on the sample, from three knowledgeable PhD’s. While opinions derived from visual hair analysis have some subjective elements, several characteristics caused all three analysts to conclude that this hair was not consistent with primate hair. Dr. D. Jeffrey Meldrum will be providing a more thorough hair analysis report soon.
[3] To Smeja’s knowledge, Ketchum has none of Smeja’s own DNA to use as a control sample to compare against in order to rule him out as the source of the human DNA which she claims is present in her samples.
[4] Tissue, blood, bone, saliva, hair and sweat all have differing ratios of mDNA and nDNA. Additionally, nDNA is typically less abundant and is therefore less readily available in samples where degradation has occurred.
[5] Melba Ketchum claims that the tissue recovered and submitted to her by Justin Smeja is from a Sasquatch and that this animal is in fact genetically “human” in almost every sense of the word. Our labs achieved species identification for only the samples that Smeja submitted to our team. While Smeja claims (and has confirmed under a polygraph) that the samples he provided to Melba Ketchum are the same as the samples he provided to us, Ketchum disputes this and asserts that her samples are visually distinct from ours. The Ketchum team has expressed concern about our results and their subsequent release. In an effort to avoid any confusion for the general public, the scientific community and/or the “Bigfoot/Sasquatch community”, I complied with requests to consider any sort of alleged contrary evidence from the Ketchum camp that could cast doubt on the results of our labs, prior to releasing our data. After weeks of opportunity and requests, Ketchum has provided no such evidence (outside of personal assurances), nor any corroborating statements from any other scientific source allegedly involved in her study.


Bart Cutino's Statement: 


From the beginning, our objective and responsibility to the public, fellow researchers, the hunter/submitters and frankly, ourselves, was to independently contract multiple labs to screen the Sierras tissue sample as a precautionary measure and hopefully rule out “all” potential North American mammalian candidate contributors. What precipitated a sense of urgency in us independently vetting this sample was largely due to a private exchange about a year ago between Justin Smeja and Dr. Melba Ketchum (overheard by multiple persons), resulting in an immediate distrust of Dr. Ketchum from Justin's standpoint. In addition to our concerns from that event, we decided to document this process with the intention of providing full transparency to set an example for other amateur researchers and provide them a roadmap to navigate and expedite the diagnostic process when working with labs they contract in the future. Those who take the time to read the email communications we'll be providing in the coming weeks, will see a very sophisticated and often frustrating process, as it unfolded. Initially our plan was to receive final determinations on both the circumstantial (tissue) and non-circumstantial (boots) evidence of the Sierras shooting event before sharing anything publicly; however, due to the nature of the current findings on this tissue, as well as the length of time this first phase took, we all agreed (myself, Tyler and Justin) it was imperative to immediately disclose this information to the public before testing of the boots is even initiated.

It’s important to note as well, that it’s not our job as amateur researchers to provide in-depth interpretations of the final determinations put forth by both lab directors as we appropriately defer to their expertise and accept their findings, which appear very clear and definitive. From a personal standpoint, to state there’s some disappointment on our end (Tyler and myself) with respect to the final lab determinations is an understatement, especially when you consider some of the initial and periodic, intriguing “difficulties” (if you will) encountered and documented by Trent University in their thorough examinations of the tissue over the course of many months. However, when you consider the timing (tissue found almost a full 5 weeks after purported shooting), the odd exchange with Dr. Ketchum reported to us by Justin, coupled with the recognition state of the tissue when collected and even, admitted uncertainty of origin by the hunters/submitters themselves (who never claimed the tissue was from the subject shot, just that they suspected it was), we had very tempered and realistic expectations going in and that is reflected in both our communications internally as well as my public statements of caution throughout the last year with respect to the bigfoot community. It’s also important to remember as well that the hunters were unable to confirm, that the larger subject shot (which they suspected was a likely tissue match) was actually deceased as the last contact was about a minute after shooting impact when they heard a subsequent large, powerful “crash” uphill (60-70 yards estimated from location of purported tissue find 5 weeks later) in dense secondary growth.

Unfortunately, due to definitive evidential claims with respect to this tissue sample made by other parties without visible substantiation, the “circumstantial” aspect of this particular piece of evidence has unfortunately been lost on many persons following this claimed shooting event. The only “non-circumstantial” evidence collected from this event to potentially corroborate it as described by those involved, are the boots worn by Smeja that day that “may,” contain a significant amount of blood from the juvenile subject shot. The boots have been in my custody since August 2011 and are being appropriately stored until we undertake processing and should not be considered as transient evidence (further degradation extremely unlikely). There’s been multiple reasons and circumstances for the delay in testing them, especially and including a significant anticipated expense, which Tyler and myself will be absorbing personally at this point, unless circumstances change. It should be noted that because the boots were worn several times after the shooting, environmental contamination and mold degradation is a likely reality that will have to be contended with by the eventual testing lab/facility. We also believe we’re only going to get one good attempt for successful processing, but are confident there’s a viable and realistic opportunity from a forensic standpoint considering the leather material the boots are comprised of and the degree of saturation (blood) described by Smeja.

In about two weeks, we’ll receive and share a final lab report from the second North American (Mid-West) lab I contracted which processed both the salted piece of tissue, and another unsalted frozen piece of Sierras tissue (for second opinion identification and comparison purposes).

I want to thank my partner, Canadian researcher Tyler Huggins, for all his work as the diagnostic liason with Trent University of Ontario, Canada, as you’ll see through the email communications we'll be providing soon (current consolidation), he spent a significant amount of time and effort doing a “yeoman’s” job quarterbacking the communications with that institution.

Bart Cutino

To join in the discussion and ask questions on this report, visit:
http://s2.excoboard.com/BFRO/124725/2382081

For more information regarding the Sierra Kills, visit the Sierra Site Project at http://www.sierrasiteproject.com/

Justin Smeja's Polygraph Examination Video:


277 comments:

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    1. Did he? We have a major lab, with large fresh samples, claiming they can't separate his DNA contamination off the surface of flesh samples? Not buying it guys, and I don't think Justin should either. Think about it, if they were that bad at DNA forensics....???

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    2. Bart and Tyler and Justin. Thank -you.

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    3. Hey Anon 4:56,

      If you don't believe it then call them and ask them you retarded douchebag. A real lab stands behind their results.

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    4. ^Hit a nerve, feel your objections on the other side now? lol.
      Something is odd here if you think about it and have any knowledge of DNA testing.
      Justin is coughing up what he has now, and he's the only one doing so, not sounding like a hoaxer to me at all.

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    5. ^^^^
      Did you call them? NO? Then shut the fuck up you retarded douchebag. You made an accusation, now back it up or shut up.

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    6. Lab tests back in on the pice of squatch justin shot:

      Its a bear.

      Oh so polygraphs are ok now? Cool. Bob H. Passed 2 (TWO) with FLYING COLORS and NO evidence of deciet;) so that puts patty rest huh?

      BEAR.



      BEAR.

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    7. Theory: Justin has freaked out about prison time for shooting several species homo sapien hybrid (may be ruled murder at worst or illegal untagged kill by state of Calif at minimum) and has submitted some of his freezer bear meat for a secondary test to confuse the situation.

      Time to think about secondary motives.

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    8. Actually it's time for you to shut the fuck up and eat a crow.

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    9. Doublespeak comes in many forms, from the popular buzzwords that everyone uses but no one really understands - "glocalization," "competitive dynamics," "re-equitizing" and "empowerment" - to language that tries to hide meaning: "re-engineering," "synergy," "adjustment," "restructure" and "force management program."

      With doublespeak, no truck driver is the worst driver, just the "least-best" driver, and bribes and kickbacks are called "rebates" or "fees for product testing." Even robbery can be magically transformed with doublespeak, as a bank in Texas did when it declared a robbery of an ATM to be an "authorized transaction." Willie Sutton would have loved to have heard that.

      Automobile junkyards, junk and used car parts have become "auto dismantlers and recyclers" who sell "predismantled, previously owned parts." Don't want people to know you're in the business of disposing of radioactive and chemical wastes? Then call your company "U.S. Ecology Inc."

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      With doublespeak, banks don't have "bad loans" or "bad debts"; they have "nonperforming assets" or "nonperforming credits" which are "rolled over" or "rescheduled." Corporations never lose money; they just experience "negative cash flow," "deficit enhancement," "net profit revenue deficiencies," or "negative contributions to profits."

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    10. During the 1960s and ’70s particle physicists discovered that matter is composed of two types of basic building block—the fundamental particles known as quarks and leptons. The quarks are always bound together within larger observable particles, such as protons and neutrons. They are bound by the short-range strong force, which overwhelms electromagnetism at subnuclear distances. The leptons, which include the electron, do not “feel” the strong force. However, quarks and leptons both experience a second nuclear force, the weak force. This force, which is responsible for certain types of radioactivity classed together as beta decay, is feeble in comparison with electromagnetism.

      At the same time that the picture of quarks and leptons began to crystallize, major advances led to the possibility of developing a unified theory. Theorists began to invoke the concept of local gauge invariance, which postulates symmetries of the basic field equations at each point in space and time (see gauge theory). Both electromagnetism and general relativity already involved such symmetries, but the important step was the discovery that a gauge-invariant quantum field theory of the weak force had to include an additional interaction—namely, the electromagnetic interaction. Sheldon Glashow, Abdus Salam, and Steven Weinberg independently proposed a unified “electroweak” theory of these forces based on the exchange of four particles: the photon for electromagnetic interactions, and two charged W particles and a neutral Z particle for weak interactions.

      During the 1970s a similar quantum field theory for the strong force, called quantum chromodynamics (QCD), was developed. In QCD, quarks interact through the exchange of particles called gluons. The aim of researchers now is to discover whether the strong force can be unified with the electroweak force in a grand unified theory (GUT). There is evidence that the strengths of the different forces vary with energy in such a way that they converge at high energies. However, the energies involved are extremely high, more than a million million times as great as the energy scale of electroweak unification, which has already been verified by many experiments.

      Grand unified theories describe the interactions of quarks and leptons within the same theoretical structure. This gives rise to the possibility that quarks can decay to leptons and specifically that the proton can decay. Early attempts at a GUT predicted that the proton’s lifetime must be in the region of 1032 years. This prediction has been tested in experiments that monitor large amounts of matter containing on the order of 1032 protons, but there is no evidence that protons decay. If they do in fact decay, they must do so with a lifetime greater than that predicted by the simplest GUTs. There is also evidence to suggest that the strengths of the forces do not converge exactly unless new effects come into play at higher energies. One such effect could be a new symmetry called “supersymmetry.”

      A successful GUT will still not include gravity. The problem here is that theorists do not yet know how to formulate a workable quantum field theory of gravity based on the exchange of a hypothesized graviton. See also quantum field theory.

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    11. Two demerits for irrelevancy

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    12. That's the Cryptozoologist sharing the articles he's plagiarizing for his homework next week. This news popped a circuit.

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    13. I would also like to note, that this report would not pass peer review as valid scientific method. Was it double blind with many testing companies? Is their well documented chain of custody from creature shot to lab? Does Justin have ulterior motives to cover the potential crime of shooting a hybrid human? Why was one lab unable to make sense of Justin's nuclear DNA sequence for comparision? It's all terribly flawed and suspect.

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    14. Oh, and one more follow up about beefs between Ketchum and Smeja. In her last interview, Dr. Ketchum said she believed killing one of these is murder as they are a type of human according to part of the DNA (paraphrasing). Could this be what freaked Justin out to concoct some confusion, after he provided Dr. Ketchum with real sample from his real kill?

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    15. ^^^^
      It's over dude. Smeja's finished. Ketchum's finished. It's time for you to go kill yourself now.

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    16. I THINK BEAR ATE BIGFOOT AND BEAR DNA IS FROM SALIVA FROM BEAR ON BIGFOOT FLEAH

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    17. Bears can only eat things which exist.

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    18. All total bullshit! This proves Ketchum, Robert Lindsay, Smeja Erickson all LIARS!!!

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    19. They have over 100 samples they considered viable and came to these conclusions. Smeja's was just a few of the samples.You cant discount that bigfoot is real and is pretty damn smart. Hard to believe but until 1950, many people worldwide thought mountain gorillas of africa were a myth.

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    20. Smeja is worried he s going to prisonfor shooting an unidentified species, even if he believed it was a guy in a suit, he still shot. Its called reckless endangerment 1st deg. in NY where i live and you do time for it.

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    21. AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

      You footer put EVERYTHING into this guys story and guess what? Just like eveeeeeeeryone figured, he shot a bear.

      Now what footers? You gonna bs some new excuse, or find some new ridiculous story to bleeeve in? Hahahahaa cant wait to find out

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    1. Have you ever been to a painfully bad seminar with audience members murmuring to each other…?
      ■“What was that about?“
      ■“He was all over the place today.“
      ■“What was her point?“

      These are symptoms of a speech that had no clear objective and was not focused on achieving that objective.

      The third Toastmasters speech project stresses the importance of clearly identifying your target objective, and then maintaining precise focus to achieve it. This article of the Toastmasters Speech Series examines the primary goals of this project, provides tips and techniques, and links to numerous sample speeches.




      The Toastmasters Speech Series
      1.The Ice Breaker
      2.Organize Your Speech
      3.Get to the Point
      4.How To Say It
      5.Your Body Speaks
      6.Vocal Variety
      7.Research Your Topic
      8.Get Comfortable with Visual Aids (coming next)
      9.Persuade With Power
      10.Inspire Your Audience

      Why is This Speech Important?

      Your aims for this speech project revolve around being focused and precise:
      ■Determine your general purpose.
      ■Focus in on your specific purpose.
      ■Ensure that the entire speech maintains focus on your objective.

      The Easy Part: Get to the Point

      Your first task is to get to the point. Before you generate an outline or your first draft, be sure you know your purpose precisely. Make sure you can state it in a single simple sentence.

      A common pitfall is to choose topics which are too broad; remember that your time is limited. This can be challenging, but if you adopt the practice of determining your purpose before writing anything else, you will find this to be the easy part. (Read an earlier article about selecting a speech topic.)

      The Harder Part: Stay Focused On the Point

      The much harder part — and the part that many speakers struggle badly with — is staying focused on the point.

      No speaker intends to stray from their purpose; rather, it happens quite accidentally. Somewhere between getting to the point and writing the first draft, a collection of off topic elements are inserted into the speech.
      ■It might be an off-topic opening anecdote which is “too good not to share”.
      ■It might be some jaw

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  3. Oh dear. What a calamity. You've been had by a hillbilly hoaxer. I'm sure no one will be surprised.

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    1. Oh heavens to Betsy! I most certainly did not see this coming. This was a totally unforeseeable turn of events. This has to be the most unexpected thing that has ever happened in the recorded history of humanity.

      -absolutely no one

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  4. This makes me a saaaaaad panda. :(

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    1. He was refering to me, like oubviously.

      -Princess Peach

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    2. the lie detector lady of course

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  6. My version of the events...

    - Smeja shot a bear & its cub that he didn't have a ticket for

    - concocted a fake story about shooting a bigfoot & its baby as an alibi

    - makes good friends with high profile bigfoot researchers

    - feels like he can't let new friends down and takes them to the spot where he shot the bear

    - keeps rolling with the lie - the longer you perpetuate a lie, the harder it is to come clean

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    1. The last point there gimlin is an excellent example

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    2. that's about the way i see it also

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    3. Sounds about right. Let's not forget, on the taxidermy board he even said "i shot 2 weird bears". Cmon folks. Sierra kills = hoax. And deep down inside, you knewit all along.

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    4. We've been over this months ago.

      Footers commonly see bears and, in their retarded religious zealotry, call them bigfoots (or bigfeets or sasquai or what-the-fuck-ever). Smeja kills two bears for fun, and in a moronic scheme to "plead idiocy" says that he thought he killed two magic apes. My personal guess is that he fled the scene immediately after the shooting, but when he realized that the shooting could be traced back to him (he was using a wildcat caliber, the slugs were still in the bears, and he may have been known to hunt in that area) concocted his bullshit scheme.

      At least that's one idea. But I suppose he could have done it all for attention. There was a woman (in Canada I think) who threw acid in her own face for attention, so I'm pretty sure Smeja could lie for attention.

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    5. Actually Smeja did have a bear tag so your first point doesn't make sense.

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    6. But he shot two, and one was a cub.

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  7. This is how it's done Ketchump

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    1. Bigfoot is Bullshit but Bears are RealWednesday, December 26, 2012 at 10:14:00 AM PST

      But, but, I just KNOW Bigfoot is real!!! LOL what a joke, house of cards comes crashing down....next is this Bullshit with Ketchum

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  8. Lol @ all the excuses.

    Face it footers, your mythical magic monkey don't exist.

    Crow time for the bleevers yet again!

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    1. Face it F*ck knob your following a site about the mythical monkey if that's what you believe Moron! Jerk Off!

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    2. In Soviet Russia incoherent rant spews you.

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    3. ^ went to see the doctor and the doctor said "You have to stop masturbating", and he said "Why doc?" and the doctor said "Because it's very distracting"

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  9. And boom goes the dynamite. And Ketchem's head!

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    1. Did you just make a personal threat to Melba anon 4:38? It's nice to get it in writing for police to use Dick Lips!

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    2. In Soviet Russia straws grasp for you.

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    3. I believe Anon 5:18 was trying to indicate that Anon 5:14s attempt to interpret Anon 4:38s comment as a threat when Anon 4:38s comment was clearly indicating that Ketchum would be frustrated was "grasping for straws".

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    4. Personal Threat. It's all in writing .Shawn can use it for evidence .

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    5. That's so retarded I can't tell if you're kidding, but I'm going to let Anon 4:38 have the pleasure of tearing you a new one. Maybe he can explain to you what a threat is.

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    6. Sounds like a threat to me.

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    7. A threat? If you are seriously that ignorant you should be catching that short bus for school, not hanging out at BF blogs.

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    8. ALL ABOARD

      -short bus driver

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    9. If you don't think it's a threat then call up your local bank or police station and say the same thing but just replace Melbas name with an employee's name. See How that works for you Moron.

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  10. What is the chances that Jesus was born on Christmas day that must be like 1 in a million

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    1. Come on there is like 400 different days in the year or whatever but Jesus was hactually born on the same day as Christmas day that is like 1 in a million or whatever.

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    1. That must of been the best Christmas present ever!!!

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  12. Wonder what Melba's report, if it is ever seen, had to say about the steak? Time for yet another re-write. Another bonus, the conspiracy theorists now have to deal with two countries working to keep things under wraps.

    Good for Bart and Tyler releasing this info.

    Yet another BF cluster F.

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    1. She said publicly it tested positive for BF. Where is Mulder to say she didn't say that.

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    2. Really? Where?

      Because at 1 hr 53 mins here she says the opposite:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FvLFAOabqs

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    3. Mulder is shaking in his paranormal WOO boots right now, probably over in his protective envirornment (BFF) trying to find ways of blaming Science for this result of BEAR. Skeptics called this from day one.

      For Mulder, ITS CROW TIME.

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    4. (Mulder) I never said that I knew one way or the other how Smeja's sample tested out. And it is ONE sample out of over 100 studied by Ketchum.

      So, it's a bear? So what? All that proves it that the sample was from a bear. The sample was never definitively linked to either purportedly killed BF, and the "bear" finding does not mean that Smeja did in fact NOT shoot two BF.

      All it means is that the "steak" apparently did not come from a BF.

      I applaud the researchers for their transparency regarding the analysis of the "steak:.

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    5. Melba knew the above results weeks before she did the C2C interview, me thinks that one was just damage control.

      Not inclined to waste time finding her steak is the real deal statement, but an after the fact flip flop does not count as a consistent dismissal of the steak.

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    6. "Melba knew the above results weeks before she did the C2C interview, 'ME THINKS' that one was just damage control."

      Middle School must be out for the holidays cause only a twelve year old would talk like that.

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    7. ^ Hadn't heard the common literary term in any of his video games.

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    8. Anon 9:13, me thinks you should read some Shakespeare.

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    9. and that's another demerit for advising someone to read Shakespeare.

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  13. I don't believe much that much from this site. Some idiots above believe everything on here like gospel truth. Next we will have another story to the contrary.

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  14. I don't understand Melba said this tested positive for a BF. Oh wait a minute I understand, she's looney tunes.

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    1. You already posted 4 times today? Addict ? ^

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    2. 5, times now. I'm making mad cash.

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  15. They will spin this off just well enough to keep the die hard idiots following it for another year or two. It keeps the simple minded folks busy, be thankful.

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  16. Same guy posted almost all of the comments on this today? Wow just wow. It comes from a Moron who doesn't even believe in Bigfoot.

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    1. In Soviet Russia bitch whines like you.

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    2. I rest my case^ same poster who thinks he's funny! Get a job Moron.

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    3. ^believed Smeja proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's a fag

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    4. ^believes bears are bigfoot

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  17. A San Antonio man is now facing charges, accused of defrauding four buyers on the popular online auction site, eBay.
    Alleged victims in Houston, Austin, Arizona and Canada reported that 33-year-old Ricky Dyer took their money, but never delivered the items, or delivered them in very poor condition.
    A purchaser in Canada claims he paid for two Corvettes that he never received. Elwood Nickason says he sent the money through Western Union to a San Antonio bank account in the name of Reyna Ochoa.
    According to the affadavit, Dyer was working with a female accomplice who police say still has not been caught.
    Investigators say they believe the couple travels back and forth between Texas and Tampico, Mexico.
    Dyer was arrested and released on Wednesday after posting a $10,000 bond.

    LMFAO!!!!

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    1. San Antonio man accused of defrauding car buyers on eBay http://www.kens5.com/news/Local-man--114742439.html

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    2. That might be news, but it's not supprising news.

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    3. True dat,true dat,
      But it does show that he is still a liar and thieving person and that is the only way he can make $$$.
      It's such a sad state of affairs.
      Wow,just wow.
      He started out as a scam and will always be a scam.
      As the saying goes 'The proof is in the pudding'.
      He talks about people riding his coat tails.
      But it's the other way around.
      Poor bastard.

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    4. He was already a known liar. I suppose some who hate him will be joyous, but I couldn't be less surprised.

      It’s just like if Fasano had a fatal heart attack. Some would be pleased. Some might not be. But we’ve all been expecting it for so long that it’s just not a shock at all.

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    5. There goes Ricky's alleged deal with Spike TV and staying under the radar in Vegas. He'll probably say it was a set-up done by an FBI impersonator.

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    6. Ricky says the charges were dropped.

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    7. And you believe that? C'mon,the dude is a habitual liar-hoaxer.Plus he has a bad case of Schizophrenia/Psychosis.There is no telling what prescribed drugs that he is abusing.Just look at his actions and the bags under his eyes.

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    8. It happened two years ago. I'm assuming if it went to trial there would be a record.

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    9. The dude made restitution and was on probation.
      A crook indeed.
      He's still working the Glory Hole at the Blue Oyster Bar.

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  18. In Soviet Russia closet comes out of you.

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  19. to much shit to read. All we need to know is yes bigfoot , no not bigfoot = Owl.

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    1. Then I will summarize it for you:

      Smeja = Retard

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    2. Looks like they got Dyer for beng a lying asshole- shouldn't Smeja be next?
      Or can anybody go to California now and shoot a bunch of fucking bears for the hell of it?

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    3. That didn't work out well for Ted Nugent.

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    4. What happened to Teddy boy? Still love that song:
      "Great White Buffalo"

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  20. Is anyone really suprised at these results? no of course not...JS is a Hack killer of animals, not BF...

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  21. Bunch of fucking liars. Get our hopes up and then smash them to smithereens.

    WTF do these assholes do when they're not hunting bigfoot? Circus carneys?

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    1. What do u do when you're not trolling from your basement? Gay sex anon 6:26? Wearing your tinfoil hat? What an ass wipe!

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    2. Sorry I didn't mean to call anon 6:39 a Retard but rather anon 6:26. Oops I'm bad. Sorry anon 6:39 .. I agree with you on calling him an Asswipe.

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    3. Sorry I didn't mean to call anon 6:26 a retard but rather ask anon 6:39 - "do you like peepee?"

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  22. Funny about Dick Ryder!!!!

    And good that these 2 footers were at least honest about the Bear part.

    Footers being honest is almost unheard of, so props to these guys.

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    1. What do you mean 'almost'?

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    2. These 2 guys are "breaking the mold" by actually telling the truth. Since all footers are liars, schizophrenic, or simply have no outdoor experience.

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    3. I didn't read the whole article, but didn't they try to indicate that Smeja's story may still be true? As if they just found a random piece of bear lying around.

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  23. Hahaha.... GAME OVER MULDER!!!!!!!

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    1. Mulder is over on the BFF right now going iff on "skeptics" and backtracking like crazy.

      MULDER, how do you like your crow? Oh no you dont! You can't BELLY CRAWL or DIMENSION hop or ever go "4x4" mode out of this one.

      There is no BF for you! But here is a tasty bit of CROW, served up fresh n steaming by a guy in a lab coat!

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  24. It was a MAN-BEAR-PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  25. What does the California Department of Fish and Game think about all of these shananigans?

    Not to mention all of the PETA geeks.

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    1. I suspect the anonymous "Driver" shares those same concerns.

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  26. Looks like it's game over folks.

    Skeptics win. 2013, no dna, no (authentic) footprints, even children have cell phones with hi def cameras...

    Its over.

    Phew.

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  27. So, is the steak a piece of bear? Or, is it a piece of meat that was gnawed and drooled on by a bear? The lab said 15% DNA from bear and 10% DNA from human...what contributed 75% of the DNA in the sample? Did they rule out deer, elk, dog, coyote, wolf, rabbit, farm animal, etc.?

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    1. So, do you flat earth here often?

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    2. That's a good question 7:17

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    3. "So, do you flat earth here often?"

      Call it a guilty pleasure of mine (lol). But, I can read and understand the report and can see that some information is missing. I also understand how these service labs work and know that they tend to travel down the path of least resistance. Now, this is probably a summary report, but I'd like to see the results from the universal mammalian cytochrome b primers. Presumably, they pointed the investigators in the direction of bear and human, but no data are presented.

      The authors of the lab report raise the prospect that they have not accounted for all DNA present.

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    4. Also, Mr. Cutino, hopefully those boots have been stored in ziploc bags in a non-self-defrosting freezer.

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    5. Anon 7:54,

      You’re trying pretty hard not to say Sasquatch in a feeble effort to present yourself as an intellectual. You’re like one of those retarded “intelligent design” advocates who thinks that they look more intelligent if they don’t say god. It’s not fooling me dude.

      When I took genetics some years back the professor placed little emphasis on genetic technology, so most of what I recall about genetic technology deals with restriction enzymes and banding patterns. However I have known enough people who worked in the field to understand that there is a high degree of accountability. If the lab really bungled the job they could be substantially fucked. When a drug testing lab fucks up they get shut down pending an investigation. I’m not sure what happens to a genetics lab, but if they did any forensics testing then some people just got grounds for an appeal. If you really think there’s going to risk their reputation (and possibly their business) out of sheer laziness then you’re truly grasping for straws.

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    6. Anon 7:17, 7:54, and 8:01 here responding to Anon 9:00...

      You took a genetics course; just one?...you make me laugh.

      You know people in the field; any of them lab directors?...again, you make me laugh.

      Son, you're too big for your breeches. Even by your own admission, you're really not qualified to comment on the science.

      I don't need to say or avoid saying sasquatch to point out that the information appears incomplete. The report is suggesting that human and bear account for a really small percentage of DNA present in the sample.

      Now maybe it 85% bear afterall and they just fucked up in that part of their analysis. Or, maybe, it is 75% mule deer, 15% human, 10% bear, and they missed the mule deer part.

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    7. I didn't say I only took one genetics course. I said "when I took genetics", as in I only took one course named “genetics”. Don't try to make up things that I didn't write asshole.

      No, I don't know any lab directors, and I don't need to because not only the director knows how things operate.

      I said I'm not fully knowledgeable about modern genetic technology, as in I am not a genetic technologist. Are you?

      The part of the text that you seem to have an issue with refers to “functional mitochondrial template DNA”, which is an expression that I'm not entirely familiar with. However, “template DNA” seems to suggest that they are only looking at one half of the helix. Perhaps it’s a technologist’s way of referring to the sense strand (or perhaps the missense strand)? The word functional likely refers to the “hypervariable regions” which are of interest. The point is that they may well be referring to only the areas that are variable in the human populace on one strand of DNA out of the total mtDNA that they were able to isolate and amplify.
      Either way I’m pretty sure that they can figure out that 10+15 doesn’t equal 100.
      But if you’re a fucking genetic technologist why don’t you tell me EXACTLY what “functional mitochondrial template DNA” refers to.

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  28. I hope Ro and that guy from Idaho can still salvage enough from the story to cover their expenses. I was certain Ro's movie would be out before this announcement.

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  29. Don't worry....Ketchum won't make these same mistakes. She's got the whole bigfoot genome sequenced, mtDNA and nuDNA. It's a done deal, uncomplicated by any shooting/legal issues. First week in february, get ready.

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    1. If you're suggesting that Melba "mind rape" Ketchum the notorious cat vet and questionable brisket cook is going to be able to out hoax Justin "The Redneck Retard" Smeja then you’re missing the point. She doesn't just have to out hoax Smeja, she has to fool the scientific community. Pulling a fast one on retard footers who want to believe is a lot easier then fooling real scientists.

      After Pons’s and Fleischmann’s hoax failed they fled to France. What’s Ketchum going to do when she finally gets exposed?

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    2. ^^^^Ketchum is going to go on the interview circuit, do a documentary, explaining the complexities of the dna testing, etc. All the things that come with a scientific first. Better start reading up there lunatic, if you want to understand any of it.

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    3. ^^^^
      Has no idea who he's talking to. Also fails to understand that Ketchum can't flee to the "interview circuit" when the jig is up. Thinks "interview circuit" is a literal place.

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    4. ^^^Ketchum won't be fleeing...they'll be lining up to get the interviews, (they already are), it'll be just a matter of when can she find the time for them all. The "gig" isn't up, it's just starting. Stay on your safe ground there, you'll be ok, but we have to leave you behind now.

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    5. Anon 8:45,

      No, actually the expression is "the jig is up" not "the gig is up". Fucking google it Ricky Retardo.

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    6. THE INTERVIEW CIRCUIT ISN'T A REAL PLACE??? I'M FUCKED!!!

      -Melba Ketchum

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    7. @9:07...amongst the musicians I hang out with "gig" is the more common phrase. "jig" is the original "old school" choice, referring to a dance. Pronounced with a hard "g". It's common to hear "we've got a gig over at Bluesy's this weekend", or "our gig is up in two weeks". Cultural/local preference I guess. I never hear "jig is up".

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    8. You still attempted to correct me when I actually spelled it correctly which makes you both stupid and an asshole.

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  30. Wow I'm speechless!!!! Not good news or what I expected but I give Bart & Tyler alot of credit as they did exactly what was promised by them. Proud of you guys, though I wish this was better news of course

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  31. Could this not have been determined in cursory testing as the hair morphology could have been easily IDed as bear and bears have 76 chromosomes.

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    1. No. They tried. Jeff meldrum said it was canid (coyote) and for sure not a bear. 3 hair experts said it is most likely bear but they could not be 100 sure. Later meldrum talked more about why he didn't think it was bear.

      If I had to guess by the end of the week Jeff will have up on his website a report of his own calling it a bear.

      Keep in mind Jeff was given a sample 17 months ago.

      Oh and the man with the gold standard in Bigfoot hair (ferinbock?) looked at it and said it was a cow

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  32. It's pretty simple: Smeja did not kill bigfoot, ergo bigfoot is real.

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    1. That' make's no fucking sense.

      -a small child

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  33. Thank you to Bart and friends for being honest and doing what they said they would.

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  34. Only question now is how deep does the fraud/hoax go ? Funny how this conservation turned to Dyer...haha, takes a hoaxer to know a hoaxer.

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  35. Shocker! The search continues...

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  36. Oh deer, will it never end. Lordy Lordy Lordy..I just can't wait till the bigfoots are finally proven when the ballon people go up. How much more money do they need? I sent them 25.00 and a prayer.

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  37. isn`t anyone happy that he didnt kill one and baby....his story and his reason for killing was pathetic

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  38. ..I think its the moustache of Groucho Marx?

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  39. Wow I was right about "steak" but wrong about Bart and his partner. This news is what I expected and Ketchum is done as she has clearly stated she did a genome on this piece. I never expected Bart would follow through if they got these results not because of his history but because of bigfooters in general. He said he would and sure did. There's at least one bigfooter I must admit to respecting, actually two.

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  40. Are you guys fucking stupid? This doesn't prove or disprove a thing. This changes nothing. Guy shoots Bigfoot comes back 5 weeks later finds piece of hide sends it to DNA lab they tell the hunter its a Bigfoot he says oh ok. Later the hunter hears that this "DNA lab" is run out of some loonies garage who talks about mind speak and mind rape. The Hunter wonders if the hide piece is really Bigfoot. He gets help to send it to 2 other labs. Turns out bitch is crazy. None of that changes what happened to hunter.

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    1. Thank you finally someone said it.

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    2. So they just happened to find a piece of bear right where Smeja shot a "bigfoot"? Expecting anyone to believe that was a coincidence truly is retarded.
      I'm starting to enjoy watching you footers writhe in agony was your bullshit unravels. I don't normally take pleasure from the suffering of others, but you footers just deserve it so God damn much that it’s hard not to appreciate the justice.

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    3. I agree 100% as it's obvious these guys Tyler and Bart still beleve Smeja and were never sure about the flesh as we were promised by DR.

      I find it interesting that Smeja was willing to gt samples tested at lab outside of ketchum when it was safe to stick with her.

      Me thinks that Justin, Bart (sent out warnings in his interviews)uspect she was a fraud, teamed up with tyler to test as they said they did. Something wasn't right and now I'm dying to know what this "exchange" was between ketchum and justin. I get the feeling this isn't all done yet, maybe for the flesh but not the Sierras event as these guys are still supportive of Justin and I think they really believe him. he did pass a polyraph, Bart apparently (we haven't seen it) got thermal footage nearby, others experienced activity with smeja there and back him. Get the feeling this saga is not over

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    4. Hey Frankie Fail-Hard,

      The saga’s over. Those who stood on the side of truth won and those who stood on the side of retardation (you) lost. There’s nothing left for you losers. Just shut up and kill yourselves already.

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    5. Dont forget SMEJA FIRST SAID HE SHOT A BEAR. So no coincidence they found bear-hair

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  41. So the sample was half man and half bear. Please, for the love of Tipper, do another test for pig dna. Then Justin can admit that I, AlGore, was actually the shooter and HE was the driver. Everyone will say "thank you AlGore! You are super awesome!"

    The end.


    EXCELSIOR!

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  42. There is a problem with the haplotype. According to this Justin is an ancient african? I thought he was a white man. There needs to be some clarification on whether we are talking haplogroups, haplotypes or what. I don't think Justin is directly related to African bushmen.

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  43. is this not exactly what Ketchum stated? mitochondrial (human) DNA is of Eastern European origin?? Justin SMEJA??? You understand???!!! ;-) Ketchum is a Goddess!!! :-)))

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  44. YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT. KETCHUM IS A FRAUD!!!!!!!!! FOR SURE!!! ITS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU. I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEAR FOR YOU. MELBA IS A LIAR!!!!

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    1. What was that?I couldn't hear because of all the hollering.

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    2. @9:35....Oh, man you're gonna have to eat so much Ketchum Crow. She hasn't lied yet. She works in professional environments, at high levels, puts people in jail with her dna diagnostic abilities, has skills you never dreamed of, applies her abilities, learns new things, goes where the data takes her.

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    3. "goes where the data takes her"

      That was funny. Until you said that I thought you were serious.

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  45. This whole story was lame from the start. Do the math 2 dead bf no bodies no pic just a lame piece of flesh and a fish story. All who believed this crap should be ashamed. You gotta have something to back it up. Lie det test mean jack shit. Can't wait till this story is put to rest.

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    1. It must have been a man in a bear suit. Goddamn plushies.

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  46. what a bunch of fuckin liars and glory hounds.. Bart cutino's statement... sounds like some cop covering his ass with words he barely understands.. Go pump some weights Jockass..

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  47. There is a difference between someone doing this as a hired hand and someone taking their time doing all the work themselves, for themselves... To assume she is wrong and they are right is just as pig headed and self indulgent as everyone else on the other side not willing to have open honest dialog.
    Printing this here on this site is even more suspect after reading the comments and knowing the type of lowlifes this place attracts. Do yourself and the community a favor and TURN THE COMMENTS OFF.

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    1. Do yourself a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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    2. Sounds like 10:01 is afraid of losing his Bigfoot gig, whatever that may be. Expeditions? Books? Conferences? YouTube BS? That's right -- protect "the community". Shut up those fn skeptics!

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  48. I think someone is envious as Bart has been truthful from day one and just stepped up by releasing this onfo.
    I don't think these results were any big revelation to him because he told back in Sep of last year he didn't think the sierras flesh was likely from a bigfoot as the timing didnt make sense.

    I think what's going to be funny is the people coming out attacking these guys for doing the right thing.

    I dont know, maybe as bad as bigfooting didnt need bad evid news it really needed some guys that are obvious proponents give us some transparency. Well done guys!

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    1. its been a hoax since day one.. i want to see justin pass a polygragh from an independent examiner. Bet he doesnt pass.. Or he could be a pathological liar... all these assholes need to give it the fuck up and shut up until they produce real credible evidence. Too many rednecks and profiteers looking for fame. Dyer the worst of the bunch

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    2. "what's going to be funny is the people coming out attacking these guys for doing the right thing"

      Criminals who submit to justice still get punished. Also, they are still attempting to perpetuate their fraud my claiming that the "steak" must not have been from Smeja's kill.

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    3. That was an independent examiner num nuts

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    4. Given a batch of softball questions to ask. Do it again, but do it right.

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  49. Thanks Bart & Co. for being completely transparent through the entire process.
    You did what you said you would do, and that was to provide the results for everyone to read.
    I'm sorry the results came back negative, but all of you are credible as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for sharing this information.

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  50. he shot Yogi while he was stealing his picnic basket and tried to cover it up by creating the whole bigfoot story so as not to get in trouble from park ranger Smith

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    1. Yeah, I knew he was lying, I just wanted to see how far he was going to take the whole bigfoot thing.

      -Ranger Smith

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  51. Smeja's drawings sure don't resemble a bear and cub.

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  52. SMEJA IS FULL OF DOO DOO OF BEAR!!!!!!!! HE IS A LIAR!!!!!!!! :(-

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  53. She's toast. This will always put a cloud over her study regardless of her multiple samples. Better tell Justin to go out and shoot another one.

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  54. this is why skeptics love the topic of bigfoot, every now and again there is a gem like this that comes up

    merry christmas all :)

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