My Opinion on the Marble Mountain Bigfoot Footage
Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Bigfoot Evidence reader Tyler W.
I have been seeing the Marble Mountain footage being brought up again in the comments, so I thought I would chime in.
I am not going to talk over the supposed measurements or film analysis of the actual figure. I want to talk about the parts that everyone seems to gloss over.
First: this seems to be a youth camp of some sort that these people are part of. I have been to many camps and outings as part of church, scouting, school etc... and one common vein through most of those was the bear/snipe/haunted hikes. The object of these was to see the bear/snipe/ghost (never Bigfoot though) that had recently been seen near there.Most of the time we just hiked around and scared each other by swinging our lights and yelling "did you see that!" Or throwing a rock or two with our best attempt at feigned shock when everyone looked at you to see if you did it. We also once (or more than once) snuck over to a camp of younger kids and snap twigs, growl and shake their tents. We even had a camp during elementary school where the teachers told us one night that there was an escaped convict from a prison that wasn't too far from the camp, then took us out at night with flashlights to look for him. That was messed up, and totally a lie, there wasn't even a jail for about 120 miles.
Why do we do this? Why do we tell ghost stories around the fire? Why do we watch scary shows in the dark? 'Cause it's awesome. We love to freak each other out. By no means am I decrying this. I fully support it. I will do it to my kids, and anyone else who comes into the woods with me at every opportunity. I also hope that it happens to me a few times. It makes you feel alive, like there is some mystery and wonder left in the world.
I think that this is what I think the Marble Mountaineers were trying for.
Put yourself there with them. Let's say you're hiking along and come to a little hut with a fire pit. Would your thoughts would immediately go to 'something huge and obviously not human made this' or 'someone sure tore down a bunch of limbs'? Listen to the first explanation that the guys gives "Some kind of creature...", and I am not going to bring up the obvious twine hanging from the front of the structure. You could chalk up the "claw marks" on the trees as pure ignorance.They WAY oversell it with the mystical swooning voice and soft gasps as they wander around this 'no way would a human make this' camp. The spot they are filming in is obviously one of semi-frequent human use (do we need to even address the possibility that Sasquatch make fire pits?). I would first be concerned that there may be some kind of hermit or homeless person living there. But they are sure something with "mighty mighty strength" and "No human saw marks" did it right off the bat. There can be no topping this supernatural finding! Oh but wait!
To the shock and amazement of the cinematographer (sarcasm), there! On the hills above! In perfect broad daylight and visibility! The very non-human being that made this camp! What serendipity! Listen to the tone of the camera operator, versus the kids around him. He sounds bored and patronizing. My first concern would be that the Unabomber was coming, and that the kids I was in charge of would be in danger. Even if I thought it was a Bigfoot, I think I would still had advised the kids to move on and find a safer place to be. One kid knows that 'John' has a gun, and when it is suggested that they go get it, "We're definitely not gonna shoot him" is the only response. Zero concern on the part of the adult running the camera, plus sounds like he knows excitable teenagers are likely to shoot his buddy up on the mountain, he just stops filming (as all hoaxes do). They do not go look for tracks, hair, or a better vantage point for good film evidence. The next thing we should be seeing and hearing is: "We are safe, the thing never came down the mountain." or "We went looking for it, but our battery died." I would even take a Blair Witch-esque monologue into the camera about how scared they all were for THE ENTIRE REST OF THE DAY. But our narrator calmly sums it up with: "Well here we are, it's Wednesday morning... with no sign of our visitor... looks like Bigfoot decided to take another path. Hey breakfast!" (last part is not exact quote).
The surrounding info on this one makes it faked for me. The version I have been watching is this:
Marble Mountain video stabilized by M.K. Davis:
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ReplyDeleteDammit!...second
DeleteNo, you were third.
DeleteWas not! You did not post under the first guy so yours at 3:43 doesn't count. Dammit! Shawn can we get a ruling?
DeleteYours at 3:40 , I mean...not that it counts or anything
DeleteLMAO, now that's funny. I'm just having fun. You can be second if it helps ya out. I almost spit my beer out and that wouldn't be funny ;)
DeleteIt boggles my mind knowing out there somewhere, there is someone refreshing the main page every 30 seconds just to post "first".
DeleteAnd for you to comment on it., ha ha!
DeleteNicely written Tyler. You present an alternate and plausible scenario.
ReplyDeleteI went to camp when I was younger and we always tried to out do each other in scaring each other or the teachers. It was all in good fun, but our teachers always made sure we were safe.
Thanks S-Nation! I always look forward to your comments.
DeleteSorry to break it to you but your fantasy of there been a nation full of "sasquai" is absurd, dumbfounded, crazy and bordering on looney toons.
DeleteGeekie.
DeleteI agree with this article fully, what was walking down the hillside was 100% human! As for the shelter, it had orange twine used on it and it was out in the open where humans travel a lot.
ReplyDeleteBigfoots aren't nonhuman apes they're very human(like) that's why tyler's made the common mistake most people make when watching bigfoot clips, they half-expect the behavior of some kind of wild creature of the animal kingdom it doesn't even occur to them the species (though they should know as the legends imply it) could be an unknown human or at least a rare hominin. Which is what they are hence tyler's confusion I suspect isn't all that genuine, but rather clutching at straws these professional net surfing skeptics come up with whenever they must debunk the better footage (pgf) yet this object looks and moves and does exactly what you'd expect from a humanlike primate. He walked either away or towards the people watching, classic bigfoot encounter and behavior in a straight line walking, not to mention the enormous build the later BFRO test revealed at least eight feet and if you know your bigfoot history you'll know the physical resemblance of this specimen is 100% similar to the one that snatched Albert Ostman. There's no doubt it's the real thing they caught and at some great distance they felt safe enough to be fairly candid about it.
Delete10.08: another group did a height comparison and surprise, he was much shorter.
DeleteA hiking trail, a firepit, human made camp versus a figure in the distance obviously means it is a bigfoot (sigh). Stupid humans.
Regardless, if that is a well worn hiking trail, and that was bigfoot, the two would be unrelated.
I was impressed when I first saw this one, but I tend to agree with the article that the tone of the adult and the sheer coincidence of the sighting leads to it being very suspicious. I don't think we can truly know how other people would react to something like a bigfoot sighting, there are many factors involved, but he's so nonchalant about it one has to seriously wonder if he's in on it.
DeleteTrue the back story is a joke. However, compared to the circumstances surrounding the PGF the Marble Mountain clip was submitted by ivy league anthropologists working in conjunction with Nat Geo and funded by the National Science Foundation.
DeleteThe breakdown does make sense. Except, I thought that I had heard that the group of kids with the counselor were special needs kids. Maybe I am wrong on that. But if they were special needs kids, then what kind of a piece of shit would take them up in the woods and try to scare the shit out of them? If it is confirmed that these kids were challenged, don't know how you would do that, then I think you can toss this explanation out. If not, then it makes a hell of a lot more sense than the typical "It's a bear" or "It's a turkey" or "It's an escaped monkey from the zoo".
ReplyDeleteNo they're not special needs kids, that was a mistake (I read a response from one of the leaders on youtube or something). Also, the main guy talking has passed away since apparently.
DeleteI don't know why every one thinks the kids are special needs. If you've been camping with a bunch of 10-13 year olds, the most elegant of kids turns into a semi-retarded caveboy.
Agree
DeleteIt's a good point. It doesn't completely kill it for me, but I have had the same thoughts.
ReplyDeleteEvery last douchebag in this video has special needs alright.
ReplyDeleteFinally, some original comedy. Now that's refreshing.
DeleteThere are a lot of people who believe this footage religiously but I've never been sold on it.
ReplyDeleteThe people don't always affect what is seen in some footage but this one I could never fully buy.
Stfu you piece of shit, go suck axl roses dick while you have a bigfoot stick his bigdick up your taterhole
Delete^ Banned
Delete^lol..funny thread
DeleteI don't think anyof you bothered to look up the background. Not even the writer of the article. Pathetic.
ReplyDeleteIt's most likely real!!!
You bet it's real and thus hated by the bigfoot haters out there just like the PGF, both still the two best known pieces of video evidence in existence and what all who claim to have caught squatches on camera must be compared to but most other stuff is not up to scratch because of short clips and hidden objects.
DeleteDont tell that to Matt. He thinks its real
ReplyDeleteOne of the few things in bigfootery he's correct about too.
DeleteI seem to remember spending more time sneaking around the girl's camps at night than trying to scare each other. We did that, but usually after getting caught at the girl's camp. Scouts was the same as everyone though. Glow sticks sure were fun. Snap them, cut open pour on you, scare shit out of people.
ReplyDeleteToo clumsy to be a squatch you can see how clumsy he is.moving around up there looks.almost as if he isn't used to walking on that kind of terrain
ReplyDeleteAlso the body is much more.bulky then the legs like.the legs are unporportuoned.to.the body which suggests a man with hiking gear in my opinion.
^ i agree i have never seen legs so unporportuoned to the body
DeleteCongratulations! For using the word "unporportuoned", you have won a free sterilization at your local hospital. Please take advantage of your prize.
DeleteIf you can come up with a hiker over eight feet tall I'll congratulate you too, until then this is after Patty the very best proof of a living sasquatch.
DeleteI say, that is as good an explaination as any I've gathered here. I would never have thought. As a lad when I went to camp in Sherwood Forest, our camp instructor would say, "beware lads..there have been reports of jerries hiding here since WW2.
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Speaking of "glossing over", this article glosses over important aspects of the figure. When not zoomed in, before the tree sequence, it sometimes looks like a baggy jacket it's wearing. Whenever it zooms in, this aspect disappears and forms into a more Sasquatch-like shape.
ReplyDeleteThe section between the trees at 1:23 shows an individual with weirdly long arms and massively bulked shoulders-to-head. Absolutely gigantically freakish trapezius, which appear to almost go to the top of the head. This section is also zoomed, and the baggy coat appearance from earlier in the video vanishes.
There's something "not right" about the proportions shown in the tree section and whenever zoomed in. What appeared to be possibly a huge jacket looks more like a ton of hair, when zoomed in.
Something's still not right. It's not obviously a person. Also, it's much more likely to be a baggy jacket than a backpack. In many sections it's obvious there is no backpack on this individual. Thanks to the stablized footage, we can dispense with the backpack theory; that's done.
The main thing it has going against it is how gingerly it seems to walk, as though not used to the terrain. That could also imply injury, or exhaustion, or despair.
Still, if you watch the 1:23 section repeatedly, you'll see a weirdness to the movements as it comes down the hill toward the camera. Its steps and movements suggest enormous mass and weight, and the arms are proportionally longer than a human's. When it takes a sudden little drop with a step, you can see in each recovery the suggestion of great size and weight.
Didn't gloss, just bypassed directly and said i would do so in the body of the article.
DeleteIt's not a person, the cameraman has the best view and describes the subject as too tall and featuring all the typical bigfoot signs anyway, the unaware might not know what to look for but any bigfooter - especially if you've had a sighting yourself - will notice right away why it's no guy.
DeleteI just have a really hard time thinking that the most reclusive apes on the planet would be throwing a fit, on a ridgeline, at people in a camp made of twine and a fire pit. I want the Big Guy to be real, this just doesn't add up.
DeleteIt doesn't add up for you because you're expecting - as you put it yourself an ape - but that's not what they are and when you realize they're not then it all adds up beautifully. At least for the smart ones. It's funny how interested people are in this legend and when they finally see it they invent excuses why it's anything but real. LOL Why do you think most videos are short and obscured like that new Provo clip? Because they're easy fakes.
DeleteIf you watch the MK Davis version can anyone tell what it's doing from 2:00-2:07. It walks down the hill and stops. Turns around. It looks like it kicks something on the ground and then raises its arm and then does some kind of like dance move or something weird. Like it bounces. Watch it. I can't say exactly what it's doing for sure but its odd. And no one has ever brought it up that I know of.
ReplyDeleteThese kids are obviously Special Needs. You can tell when the kid talks about "bagging Bigfoot" and rightfully so if they were why would the group leaders or counselors take them all the way up on top of the ridge to look for footprints or further evidence of it being a Bigfoot? Seems kinda dangerous, right?
ReplyDeleteI've always been on the fence about this one. There are things about it that are interesting and some that aren't.
If they were trying to scare the kids and that was one of the counselors up on the ridge, that's a long hike for someone to take just to try and scare some kids. Plus you can't hardly tell what the thing is in full zoom on the camera. I'm sure they couldn't see much of anything their eyes from where they were.
Right, which is another reason why it's a genuine sighting. Notice how hardly any of the kids talk only the one spirited dude, the rest are probably a bit spooked and the adults then joke to keep them calm.
DeleteAnother thing worth mentioning is, if that truly is a human in a suit, somehow gaining 2-3 feet in height, that human is a freak of nature to walk so easily on that terrain. I'm not even sure how you pull that off with a costume that is way bigger in size unless you're 7 ft, which is unlikely.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the leader was talking in a way that he was hoaxing the kids, but leaders tend to talk that way to scout kids even when they're being serious about something or teaching about something. I remember clearly. I can understand feeling that it's faked, but the evidence that you give feels a lot weaker than the evidence that is pro: the hoaxer had to hike a ways to pull it off, had to hopefully assume that he was seen from really far away, had to pull off that he was 8-10 ft tall while not stumbling all over the place, and also, I find those torn tree limbs, green wood that isn't even dead (or doesn't look it to me) would be really hard to pull off without some kind of hydraulic machine. seriously, how do you rip branches like that clean off a tree if you're a scout troop or a couple of leaders planning a hoax?
A hoax there not only makes no sense it's also pretty impossible all things considered including the physical stature of the squatch, but to some people everything will always be fake even when facing the real deal.
DeleteAgreed to the two of ya.
DeleteGuy stumbling down hill with a backpack on.
ReplyDeleteWhere ?
DeleteGuy stumbling down hill with a backpack on.
ReplyDeleteWhere ?
DeleteThis Church camp out was for special needs boys. That is well known.
ReplyDeleteA size comparison was done with a 6 ft man standing under the same tree the video subject was and the man was much shorter.
For what its worth....
This is footage of a bigfoot who spent too much time in a bar and was wearing a jacket.
ReplyDeleteThe man narrating must have been looking through binoculars or something. He keeps saying it has long arms and other little details the kids can't seem to see, then partway through he says something like "look how I'm seeing it", then it would appear he gave his binoculars to the cameraman and took over filming for him with the camera at that point.
ReplyDeleteEven if this is a hoax it's an interesting one. I'm still not convinced either way, but it's fun to watch.
Cryptomundo has an article from someone who was a good friend of the guy doing the video recording and they say they stayed that night at that place....now if I am with a bunch of other people's kids, I believe it is BF, I believe this is BF's home, the last thing I am going to do is say let's set up camp here. Does not make a whole lot of sense.
ReplyDeleteWell, maybe they've heard the species is supposed to be non-hostile besides the group's armed with a gun apparently. But if it's fake, which I don't think it is, they can prove me and other bigfooters wrong by coming forward.
DeleteIt's, it's a human with a backpack. Now who would of guessed that a human would be out in the sticks, walking down a ridge, with a backpack of all things? The closeup reveals that the stride, the movements and the proportions, lead us to believe that the subject could be nothing but a human. End of story.
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ReplyDeleteDitto on your observations, reference to "some sort of creature " the twine tied around one branch ignored and the color commentary about fist shaking and jumping up and down that clearly are not happening, also the arm length reference that I just don't see that would be obvious at that great distance. Look, I'm not a skeptic but I've never felt this one was genuine.
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