Elbe Trackway Hoaxer Identified, Matt Moneymaker To Post His Home Address And Work Phone Number (Updated: Personal Information Will Not Be Released)
Uh-oh—it’s morning and someone's about to have a rude awakening when they get a call from their boss with Matt Moneymaker on the other line. This doesn't look good for whoever hoaxed the Elbe Trackway that's been recently confirmed a hoax by Cliff Barackman and Thom Powell. Whoever you are, you have angered the god of Bigfoot and now you will feel the full wrath of BFRO President Matt Moneymaker. Moneymaker claims that they have identified the person who faked the Elbe tracks.
"He's a skeptic who's building a Patterson BF statue 2 show how 'easy' it would be to fake," Moneymaker wrote on Twitter last night.
It is now clear to everyone that the tracks have been faked-- including Moneymaker, who initially thought the tracks were legit based on early reports from investigators.
"They looked real at first, but there were subtle indications of hoaxing that became more apparent after examination of the casts," he mentioned to followers.
"We're not going to reveal the clues that were visible in the casts, so as not to educate the next jack ass who might do the same."
[Update] Moneymaker will not be releasing the hoaxer's home address and work phone number.
IDK, why would his boss care whether or not he is fooling with bigfoot-believers in his spare time?
ReplyDeleteAnd publishing personal data would lead to a huge lawsuit here in Germany, don't know how US-Jurisdiction would deal with it...
i agree with you somewhat. but i think that moneygrubber shouldn't post anything about this man/womans job phone number. even if this douche-bag did this hoax on co. time! that's not his business to set a example. back off matt! put his home number and or home address, but leave his job out of it. then this guy and his/her boss can't sue moneygrubber's ass. his/her boss will have a legit ground for a lawsuit. matt you should no that you can't interfear with someone else's business. cause we could sue the pants off the animal planet for putting out a bad product based on what "the bogey man". there are so many f-ing red flags here. don't give a hoaxer any ground to take your hard earned cash. WTF moneygrubbver!!!
DeleteIt's 'interfere,' not 'interfear.'
DeleteGerman law is very different with respect to privacy.
DeleteMoneymaker has a law degree in the US. He knows what he can be sued for here, and what he can't be sued for, at least not successfully. Don't worry about him in that regard.
@6;52 thanks teacher! but did the world end cause i spelled that incorrectly and since your better than me you missed it at the end moneygrubbver. come on teacher! cut me some slack even you can't get em all.
DeleteMoneymaker is riding his kurt cobain-ish wave of stardom that will soon come crashing down........unless someone finds REAL evidence, pics, vids, etc. If Smeja and/or Ketchum turns out legit, then all the guys like money will skyrocket to fame, otherwise maybe one more season......
DeleteLikely he never had this persons info, and was simply creating attention for himself and his show.
Hate to say it but Ive said time and again this kind of stuff is just to easy to fake.....Ive seen people fall for it again and again in my neck of the woods.
HEY! TEACHER! Leave those kids alone!
DeleteWas it really a hoax if he isn't the one who alerted people the tracks were from "bigfoot?" Sounds like some over-eager investigators just made their own assumptions here upon seeing some tracks.
DeleteHA! This is awesome. He should put up his home phone number too. But since he will be outted, I can actually try to talk with him. I really do want to know how he did it. Wonder if it is someone I might know. That would really be funny if it was a former patient of mine. If the guy is in a career that requires honesty or maybe the media, he could lose a job. If he is employed by private employer, and it causes the business to lose money, he could get canned too. Not sure on legalities, but the hoaxer did cause harm to a business with the hoax. Money was spent. Matt could set a precedent here and sasquash hoaxers. He loses his job and he might need me to buy him that Scaleburger.
ReplyDeleteelbe trackway hoax. Big jim was the biggest defender
DeleteHey Jim, are you still standing by your "I weigh 400 lbs and my feet didn't sink in, there is no way these are hoaxed, I've been there, blah blah blah" stance? Hows that workin' out for ya'??? Yeahhhhh.
DeleteFurther proof that some researchers cannot be fooled! Kudos to Cliff Barackman, Thom Powell, Moneymaker, and everyone else who did the investigation and exposed this as a hoax!
DeleteThe Bigfoot elite researchers are awesome
Agree^^. What are all of the naysayers going to squeal about those blind "bleevers" now? Ha-ha. I guess the "skeptics" are more gullible than what we first realized.
DeleteThe hardcore skeptics are believers too, they simply believe the opposite, that there CANNOT be a bigfoot, no matter what evidence comes forth. They don't seem to realize there are legitimate track traits that cannot be hoaxed, for example, and we see here that those traits or lack thereof will ultimately prove a hoax as a hoax, every time. The ranting type of skeptics simply want to belittle others and spread hatred, they don't have even an amateur's knowledge of the subject, only a surface view, and it shows.
DeleteHi Big Jim, How close do you live to Graham Wa? No I'm not the hoaxer, just seems like we may have a common interest in bigfoot. J.D. Graham WA
ReplyDeleteI am in that area. I think we have emailed on the forum about coffee already.
DeleteJim I live in Eureka, ca and had a friend growing up who used latex molds of his feet (enlarged then formed from ballastics gel) to create giant, flexible feet complete with whorls, dermal ridges, scars, etc, and about 18 inches long....basically a perfectly large human track, no "meta-tarsal break" or supposed evidence....and faked people out in our area for decades. He is now a pretty famous rockstar but back in High school the media and Bigfoot "researchers" would flock for miles to see his tracks......a stoner kid from NorCal with no interest in Bigfoot but he loved faking the evidence......not sure why, but seemed funny to us at the time. Im sure many of the tracks and calls from my area were him or other acquaintances. Ive shared the story here, but another of our friends actually had a convincing sighting...I am a former bigfoot skeptic-turned-agnostic.
DeleteWas it captain beefheart? Or someone from Mr. bungle?
DeleteTimmy, I have followed you on here. I remember lots of Timmy the no way in hell bigfoot exists and then when you disappeared for a bit and came back with your buddies story of his sighting. And how you could tell by his voice and face he was serious. You hold a certain legend status here. Not sure if that is good or bad though. I have heard that story with latex before, probably on here. I also saw a show witb how it was done, but I think it was not feet they enlarged. The show talked about how as the mold got bigger, the fine details got farther apart and more visible. A link just posted recently here also talked about the process. I am more a believer who tries to see every side. I am pretty sure we posted simular opinions on a couple videos here. I have never had a sighting. But have had several WTF moments in the woods. I am probably currently in the top five troll targets for my stance on the Elbe Tracks. I kinda hope the name gets released so I can see if it is someone I know. But you may be right about Matt not having a name. While Matt has done mich to try and bring bigfoot into the light, he does have a strange way of it sometimes. But then again, we all have to be strange just to believe in the possibility of bigfoot.
DeleteJim shouldnt you be out on elbe beach with your head in the sand
DeleteMud, there is more mud than sand. And am I suppose to be looking for you with my head in the mud? Are you one of the slimy things that made little blow holes like clams? Or maybe you were the funky stink on the gravel bar that smelled like wet dog crotch rot? Even my puppy didn't want to roll on you and we all know how bad things smell that dogs roll in.
DeleteWet dog AND crotch rot. Although either works.
DeleteTravis, I went to high school with a bunch of Mr. Bungles if that clears it up....we all had messy hair, cut in line, ran in the hall and never washed our hands...if that clears it up.
DeleteFaith No More rulez! Even members that get kicked out :(
DeleteWhy don't we just all go together to his mother's home ( because you know that he is living in the basement) and tell her what he has been doing. I'm sure that she will take away his Star Trek toys, excuse me, action figures, and make him say that he would not do it again!
ReplyDeleteThen we can poll the average person as to what they imagine a stereotypical bigfoot believer (ie: loser) is like and see how they compare to basement dwelling trek nerds. It'll be an eye-opener for some, I'm sure.
DeleteThis is the most queer thing I've ever heard from who is supposedly a "grown ass man". I hate hoaxers but if you're going to do.something about them then at least have enough balls to show up at his door and have a face to face. Moneymaker is a fat cowardly waste of space if he goes through with it.
ReplyDeleteAt least he is going to do something.
Deletewhat clues in the casts could possibly give it away. aren't all casts a hoax.
DeleteGo Matt!
DeleteYour an idiot Anon 5:22! Your life is a hoax!
DeleteGet ready for a town hall lynching er I mean meeting!
ReplyDeleteThe Knower here.
ReplyDeleteWhilst i only really have inside info on the suit used in the PGF. A little birdie close to the MM camp told me this will NOT happen. And the "hoaxer" is in fact a BLEEVER turned sour because of "no bigfoot" and wants to infact raise Bleef.
The Knower
*crickets*
DeleteYou can bet your ass that "bleevers, well, a.k.a knowers that it doesn't exist" hoax evidence much more than the general public. They have everything to lose by the craze dying out. A perfect example right here with the Elbe hoax.
DeleteI disagree with ^^. The person responsible for these tracks was attempting to show the world how gullible the "bleevers" were by making some elaboratly hoaxed tracks. Later, they planned to show the world the truth and laugh it up, once and for all proving the sasquatch doesn't exist, and all the investigators that the "bleevers" worshipped would be disgraced, disproven and made to look like fools. BUT, the ones left looking like the simple minded, world is flat fools were the "all knowing skeptics." A very qualified "bleever" studied the best evidence that the fool hearty skeptics could muster up and proved it to be a HOAX! Wow, what does that say for the London tracks, the PG tracks, etc. Come one foolish skeptics, lets here how everyone everywhere is dumb and MM is in on it, blah, blah, blah, yada-yada-yada. Way to go Barackman!
DeleteProving these fake bolsters the authenticity of the other trackway found this year. See skeptics? There are differences and little details that say a lot, of which you are blissfully unaware. Study this kind of stuff and you might wake up one day and not be moronic assholes who keep putting your foot in your mouth anymore. Wouldn't that be nice?
DeleteKnower again.
ReplyDeleteSources tell me the name will be published. Other info will not. Sources confirm the hoaxer is a "known believer". So the skeptic part is bunk.
Now, back to the pgf suit....
*crickets*
DeleteYou're still trying to get people to believe your lies?
DeleteYou should change your name to Dipshit Liar!
The Knower knew this would happen and predicted that the personal information would not be released.
DeleteHow?
He is truly an insider.
Easy call, but I also think he is correct about a believer being behind the hoax. Cliff may have been specifically targeted by someone jealous of his TV gig.
Delete... the Elbe Trackway that was recently confirmed a hoax by Cliff Barackman and Thom Powell."
ReplyDeleteYour meaning is not clear. I take it you mean it was confirmed by Barakman and Powell, not hoaxed by them.
... the Elbe Trackway that was recently confirmed a hoax by Cliff Barackman and Thom Powell."
ReplyDeleteYour meaning is not clear. I take it you mean it was confirmed by Barakman and Powell, not hoaxed by them.
Maybe it was them who hoaxed the tracks
DeleteI heard you clearly the first time.
DeleteCan you say that again and speak up, im hard of hearing.
DeleteSo MM want's to publicly defame this Hoaxer? Not so smart Mr. Moneymaker. Just because you all got hoaxed and are now extremely embarrassed by it doesn't give you the right to perform a 'witch hunt' on this guy. Get over it, you all fell hook line and sinker and were taken for a good ride and made to look foolish. The hoaxer accomplished his goal.
ReplyDeleteI think they showed they can't be fooled, even by carefully faked tracks. They said at first the tracks look real, but they continued to study the casts and then they revised their opinions. If they had not revised their opinions then the hoaxer could say he fooled them, but that's not what happened. The investigators exposed the hoax, not the hoaxer.
Deleteindeed they were hoaxed. just took them a while to figure it out after spending time and money on this.
DeleteThat was my point. Cliff and Big Jim bitching about time and money wasted means they were indeed HAD, or HOAXED.
DeleteActually I am more of the opinion that it wasn't a waste of my time now. I learned lots of things. I got some fresh air hoping it would have helped my sinus infection, but it only made it worse. And I got to piss a lot of trolls off. I wasted way more of their time igniting their flames of insults than they did mine. Being bored and sick leaves lots of free time. I also learned that no matter how many times you explain things or say things, some dingbat will take it out of context and misquote you. I feel like a politician now.
DeleteBig Jim was the biggest defender of the elbe trackway.
Delete^See?
DeleteWell I, for one, think Big Jim has handled himself and the trolls admirably. I enjoy reading his comments and hope he sticks around.
DeleteAnd I would also add, by the way, who here has never been mistaken before? Everybody gets fooled now and then--Obama supporters come to mind as a good example.
DeleteYes Jim, you are the classiest, most humble and credible Bigfoot hunter of all time.
DeleteSarcasm still implied.
You are still a raging asshat.
Why thank you. But since I always said I was a rookie at bigfoot tracks, you are giving me too much credit. I have never even seen a bigfoot and now apparently not even a real track. But like anyone who is new to something I won't give up on trying to see one just because of a set back. Heck, I feel pretty good that I was able to see the path followed by the hoaxer even after all the real researchers had walked back and forth everywhere. And even the experts thought the tracks real. They only called them a hoax because of information I was not privy to. Including the casts. I guess if I did like most and called everything fake, I might be right more often. But that way never has any enjoyment in life.
DeleteOh it was definitely a massive waste of time. You were hoaxed and hoaxed bad. Now maybe you'll learn to keep your mouth shut before you spew your untrained all worldly opinion on these. You know what I really think. I think you just showed up, listened to Cliff and Randles ( and many more) say these were awesome. Then you just ran with that unwavering pile of shit analysis while they were actually looking in to them more. Then, upon the real work commencing and concluding you were made to look like an asshat. That's what happens when you're more worried about being in "the limelight" than anything else.
DeleteYou can tell those are molds from pictures alone, period. You don't have to be a print genius and study these tracks for hours, days, weeks to see that much. Some people just have "it" and some spend their entire lives working at becoming 1/2 as good as someone born to win.
DeleteI agree with Jellybean Smurf. Big Jim has a great attitude, and his reports are really interesting. Thanks, Big Jim, for giving us something to read that's a cut above most of the posts on here.
DeleteJoe Beelart of West Linn here. I spent five {5} hours on site with Thom Powell. I told him after 10 minutes on the ground the tracks were fake. But he is a scientist; I also need to face the fact I wanted them to be real. During the five hours I did not help him cast one track. All I did was study footprints and the surrounding area. Along the way I made two photos of what is probably damning evidence; a "stomping ground," a place where the molds were put on feet.
ReplyDeleteAs far as all the ballyhoo .... what a wonderful PR stunt!! The more attention that goes the supposed hoaxer's way, the closer he gets to morning TV and the comedy programs ... plus maybe his own TV special on "This is how I proved big-name Bigfooters ...." Later. Only 8 nights in the mountains this summer; getting old.
That's because you know what you are doing Joe. Powell, Noll, Barrackman and Randles should also know stomper prints when they see them. Sad.
Delete^ See this post Jim? That's how you do that.
DeleteHoaxing a bigfoot trackway is not illegal.
ReplyDeleteReleasing someone's personal info just might be.
Someone's address is not private info unless they are a private individual. What this person did makes him a public figure. He did something to make himself a public figure. Releasing his address would not be illegal even if he was a private figure. Go ask a lawyer.
DeleteWhich sadly, Moneymaker has claimed to be multiple times.....check Moneymakers education and see if he actually did more than enroll in law school.
DeleteAnd yes, ask a lawyer......posting someones name, address and personal information for the purposes of harassment, threat or intimidation is 110% ILLEGAL! And what other reason would Money have to post it, assuming he wasnt full of crap?
I imagine a civil lawsuit could be filed. The hoaxer intended to fool them. The investigaters spent money and time so I assume they could sue for that and win. Perhaps that would get the hoaxers to think before they try something again. They committed fraud with intent to hurt BFRO or Cliff's reputation. That might even be libel/slander.
ReplyDelete
DeleteI don't think it's possible to hurt their reputation more.
roflmmfao
Delete+ 1,000,000
DeleteHilarious!!!! I think you might've forgotten your medication. If not, maybe you should have a talk with a doctor soon.
DeleteI don't think that's accurate. How could you prove in court intent? all a guy is really guilty of doing is wearing big fake feet and walking across some mud... That's neither illegal nor intent to defraud the BFRO of money. Not unless he said "I know where there's a trackway and will take you there for $500..." I see no liability there if all he did was walk across mud in stompers
DeleteYes, faking bigfoot tracks is definitely libel!
DeleteLMFAO, the day putting on some molds of feet and walking in the mud lands you in court based off the charge of fraud and compensation for lost time and other monies is the day I pack up and move to Canada.
DeleteWhat a dumb ass human being you are anon 7:48. Dumber than dirt, for real.
Anon 7:15 is right. They didn't get hoaxed. They had to fully investigate the trackway, which they did, and then determined it fake. It looked legit at first, but they were smart enough to figure it out.
ReplyDeleteHoaxers have to be total losers with NO LIFE and NO JOB to put in the time and effort to try and hoax people.
Yeah, except they didn't just investigate the tracks and then declare them fake. They declared them real and then backtracked. Soooo...they did get hoaxed.
DeleteThe truth is the back story had more to do with revealing the hoax then anything else. They said it was " a combination of factors", but make no mistake the surrounding circumstances sealed the deal.
DeleteEvery researcher has some questionable prints in their data set, there is no "secret detail" they alone are aware of. Hell, Meldrum still has Wallace prints in his set. Go to Cliff's site to see some other dubious examples.
Yep, that's the word on the street. The prints themselves did their job, the person making them "cracked under pressure". FACT!! Now they released a bogus analysis stating "they don't want to help hoaxers". Again, it wasn't until the questioning and piecing the backstory together that they discovered these were fakes. The prints themselves OWNED them.
DeleteIf the Knower knew that MM would back down, what else does (s)he know? Hmmm...
ReplyDeleteThe Knower knows what the Knower knows. You can't deny.
DeleteThe knower doesn't know anything . Why because arrogant freaks like him think they are never wrong and end up being wrong most of the time because they just shout down all other opinions and logic.
DeleteHe knows that you are butthurt. Jealousy will get you nowhere, try Preparation H.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:52
DeleteThe Knower here. I have no reason to shout down others. I recieved information that the personal details would NOT be released, hours and hours before Bigfoot Evidence posted this article. My source mightve been wrong. But SHE wasnt. So i knew well beforehand.
I also have 1st hand info regarding the PGF suit and how there is literally undeniable proof its "the" suit.
The most amazing part is who made it, and whos actually been keeping it and why.
So when do we get to know knower?
DeleteEasy call; Matt would realize a public figure like himself is a juicy target for a lawsuit. He shot from the hip, and pulled back.
DeleteThe Knower here. Mightve been an easy call. But I knew it and predicted it hours before it happened, because i have a source close to MM that said he would.
DeleteHe will release the hoaxers name though
La De dah Freakin Dah....Who cares what MM says he will or will not do? You have to prove you knew the hoaxer was really the one responsible in any case. Anyway, rather than get mad, try to learn from it, if you figure how they did it, great!!! Put it out there so that the next time you get an artificial trackway, you will recognize it in an instant and not waste time on it.
ReplyDeleteYeah, ^ THAT method works. I never did get the whole truth.
DeleteIt is not against the Law for someone to go around making stupid footprints in dirt, sand, mud, whatever, in the Great Outdoors. Is It ? No one forced anyone to get all excited and cast these obviously HOAXED prints. So PLEASE help me here to Understand how and why lawyers could be brought into this mix????? I would think any Lawyer would get a big hearty laugh out of all this BS. And just one look at pic of print it was obvious Hoax. Grown men running around freaking out that this could be the real deal is way beyond even ... my pea brain. So help me out here!!!
ReplyDeleteAmen, Amen & Amen.
DeleteWhy doesn't Moneymaker just wait on the playground and get him after school?
ReplyDeleterofl
DeleteGo walk on a sandbar in your bare feet and you will notice something missing in most of the alleged bf tracks, I'll let you figure out what it is when you see it.
ReplyDeleteMudbar, shows up better.
DeleteBut big jim, you have egg on your face
DeleteBut I thought it was sand or mud, according to your other posts and me having to correct you. I did have eggs for breakfast, maybe a little yoke dripped in my beard. Oh well, I can pick it out for lunch later.
DeleteHey Big Jim, if i pee'd in your face, would you hold it against me? Elbe trackway, lol
DeleteHey,leave Big Jim Jr alone.
DeleteI doubt you could get your sphincter and prostate to squeeze your bladder hard enough to get enough pressure up to pee in my face. All that damage done by foreign objects stuffed in there tore up your ass. Then your narrow urethra from having micro penis only lets a trickle or few drips out. I could stuff my boot up your ass to give you something large enough to fill in the huge gaps from the tears. Remember I wear a size 16, but can tape both together if one is too small. If you push hard enough it might help build pressure. I also have a handheld 400x zoom camera so you can see if the stream is steady or drips. And you could record it even to show your hamster how to push just right for when you stick him and his ball up there to get "relief".
DeleteSee this is what happens when you stick your head in the mud. I did it to see the underside of the tracks but made a huge mistake when I moved a rock out of my way. All these slimy little bastards slithered out and then infected the internet and this site. Sorry Shawn, these things must be resistant to medications. I bet after a nuclear bombs destroy the world, cockroaches and these new species of slime fungus will rule the earth.
And now the trolls have turned you into a troll.
Delete6:38 so true!!
DeleteYeah, I am bored being sick so I am troll poking. Halloween is coming up, so I put my troll costume on early and am floating around the site trash talking to those who trash talk me. That's how you have to sneak up on trolls. Otherwise they stay well away from actual people because of fear of human contact. Plus trolls can only focus on one thing at a time, with them on me, it leaves other free to make logical comment for or against stuff. All this is while I am waiting for another interesting post from Shawn. Pretty soon this topic will be off the front page and fade away to legend status. Most of the trolls will grow bored soon and I will have none left to keep baiting. At least about this.
DeleteGood job!
DeleteSarcasm still implied.
You are the biggest Asshat that has ever waddled along a blatantly fake Bigfoot trackway. Bravo!
In recent news, it was confirmed that Big Jim was the guy in the online video: One Guy One Horse. Congrats go out to Big Jim on his accomplishment. Big Jim couldnt be reached for comments, but close friends say he has plans on buying a horse to practice harder and to ride the beaches of elbe looking for families of bigfoot.
DeleteThe Knower is so sick of all these comments. You will all see the truth soon. The suit has been found. People have been trying to make an exact copy of it for years and many have been made. But that doesnt make a difference here.
DeleteI KNOW that its the real deal, i know suits and how they age, and i once saw a man try it on when i sold him some tobacco. Oh and i should also add that you will only see pictures and some video of the suit. It cant be examined in person per request of the owner. This is the real deal folks. Its hard being the knower. Heck i rode side saddle with Patterson
What does a suit have to do with the Elbe tracks? I could care less about any supposed suit until it is shown. I think the Knower's tobacco might be a litlle bit whacky. And side saddle is how girls and women rode back in the day so their whohaa's wouldn't chafe or cause too much "excitement". Which brings up the question if you rode side saddle with Patterson, did he ride YOU side saddle too? I had to look up the one guy one horse thing. Apparently it is a dude having "relations" with a horse. While I can tell you it is a pony in video when I see one, I have never ridden, or been ridden by a horse. I have been referred to as a horse though. And parts of a horse. Some nice, some not. But I think you meant the troll above with all the rectal damage was on the video. That might be from the beginning of his career.
DeleteAnd the Asshattery continues to flow.
Deletelooks like i can get my stompers out again.
ReplyDeletewithout being sued ...
DeleteThe Knower here.
ReplyDeleteHint. If you want to know who the hoaxers are, look at the folks who discovered the tracks first. I shall say no more, as i only have second hand direct from the source info. My primary secret knowledge lies in "knowing" 100 percent about the PGF suit and being an insider.
The knower is a freaking idiot!
DeleteThe Knower knew that you were going to say that, you puny human worm.
Deletewill what you "know" about the PGF suit be made public "soon"? lol
DeleteThe Knower here
DeleteYes. Very Very soon.
The "Blower" is probably longtime footer Drew. A massive Bigfoot obsessed lying simpleton who pretends to be a skeptic because half of him and his family have reported sightings and the other half claims to have hallucinated them. Truly a loser in life and Bigfootery.
DeleteI'm not Drew. I'm not on jrf, bigfootforums or anything else. I'm just a simple man who has been lucky enough to be granted an inside view in the Bigfoot community.
DeleteI know a few bits and pieces. And i will gradually reveal them. One thing i know is the PGF suit has been found and the amazing circumstances behind its find. Its been staring us in the face all along. But the glory is not mine to reveal. All i can reveal is the absolute 100% proof positive that this IS the suit worn in the pgf.
You will also be blown away by actual lost footage. And WHO has the suit. But i already reveal too much....
It's about time that Gimlin came clean.
DeleteThe Knower doesn't know shit.
DeleteHe is Drew or aka Musky 'Cock Sucker' Allen.
Yeah, that Drew character seems like a mealy mouthed little worm.
Deletewallace's nephews have the suit. i can't say anymore
DeleteThe Knower...........LMFAO.......What a troll............
DeleteKnower here,
DeleteNot a troll. Just a hardworkin fella like yourself who happened to make a couple friends in high places. They are happy to share it with me and are happy for me to share it as long as I respect limits.
-The Knower
Sorry,don't believe you.
DeleteThe real knower here:
DeleteI recently talked to rick dyer and can confirm that he didnt hoax the camper video. I can also confirm that the body in the freezer was actually the real thing but the gov came and took it away. I also got a tip that the Minnesota Iceman has been found once again and will be made public soon.
MORE BIGFOOT INFO COMING REALLY REALLY SOON!?!?!?!?!?
DeleteWhaawhaaaaaaaattttt?????
This is unprecedented!!!!!
Bob Gremlin here - I'll give you the truth when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
DeleteThe knower is NOT a troll. Shut her pieholes and listen, maybe you'll learn something. He nailed everything regarding these tracks but those are childs-play compared to the PG Film...........oh boy and do I LOVE it.
DeleteWell there you go, he talked to RD and because RD said he didn't do the camper video that means he didn't do it.
DeleteOh yessir, we can take that to the bank! NOT
I never talked to RD.
DeleteThere are several people on here imitating me, much like "sally here"
Info on the suit soon. I dont have "too much" info on other BF topics.
They need to replace Moneymaker on the finding bigfoot show with the rage meme face. Just show that every time he talks. What a clown....
ReplyDeletehttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/578/1234931504682.jpg
The knower knew this would happen. Check back on the comments. He nailed it.
ReplyDeleteC'mon. Was it hard to figure out that MM would rethink the plan to publish a private citizens work and home address? I felt he was shooting form the hip and that he would realize he may be opening himself up to a lawsuit.
DeleteWho found the tracks? This should lead to the hoaxer.
ReplyDeleteThe Knower agrees. But also "knows" that certain members of the group were involved in the actual hoax. 3 to be precise.
DeleteThe knower here:
DeleteYes i agree withe the above. I also rode with Patterson on numerous occasions and introduced him to his wife. I also sold tobacco to Bob Gimlin on many occasions.
So you're the Pusher,not the Knower,right?
DeleteMr. Knower,
ReplyDeletePlease stop speculating on who performed the hoax. It could lead to legal ramifications of slander. And yes. Google will give you up if there is a lawsuit involved.
Good luck, the Knower is behind 7 proxies.
DeleteThe knower here:
DeleteI want everyone to know that i sold tobacco to bob gimlin a few times.
The real Knower here.
DeleteBuddy, I dont "speculate". I just "Know"
Admittedly, I dont know which 3 are involved.
I shall find out. As one of them has been "bragging" to mutual sources.
Bragging about changing the Golden Vibrating Butt Plug of Skeptism?
DeleteI'm confused.
The real knower here once again:
DeleteI have many sources and am close to the Ketchum camp. She knows that i have sold tobacco to Gimlin before and i have a 90 percent rate of being correct. I am also associated with Rick Dyer but not like you think.
You'd think such an expert on legal ramifications would know that the correct term would be libel not slander.
DeleteSomeone who has a BFF account needs to ask kitikaze if he knows about the knower. Knower-I assume you are not kitikaze?
ReplyDeleteThe Knower here.
DeleteHint. If you want to know who the hoaxers are, look at the folks who discovered the tracks first. I shall say no more, as i only have second hand direct from the source info. My primary secret knowledge lies in "knowing" 100 percent about the PGF suit and being an insider.
You suck and are nothing but a troll,gtfo!
DeleteOf course I am not Kitakaze. I am nobody in the bigfoot world. I only post here and share emails with my sources.
DeleteSoooooooo.... then you're Robert Lindsay?
DeleteKnower here... Not Robert Lindsay. I am unrelated to BFing.
DeleteSeems theres several folks going on about "tobacco" or something.
Ignore them.
Only one real knower.
-The Knower
did kit have legal action filed on him or he file legal action on a web site requesting IPs and accounts. thats where using multiple proxies would help.
ReplyDeleteWhen kit pretended to be stalked he publicly (on JREF) tried to browbeat John Cartwright into giving him somebodies' ip address which would have been illegal. Cartwright did the right thing and never caved. Cartwright then offered to help him go the legal route if he felt threatened, he never did but the people kit accused went to law inforcement first because his claims were obviously bogus and they had nothing to hide.
DeleteYeah and this lying fruitcake is a hero to the JREF'ers
DeleteIs it illegal to make footprints in the sand now? Is moneymaker the big foot police suddenly?come to my house and I will make you a sandwich and send you on your way...no rum for you
ReplyDeleteyou can put your stompers back on and go outside and play.
Deleteyes I can and you can't do anything about it except declare it real
DeleteI've always got Bacardi Anejo Cuban for you rummer... Not the most expensive, but damn is it smooth. It's a great boat drink.
DeleteThe Knower here:
ReplyDeleteTomorrow their will be a huge announcement. Because i am the knower and i sold tobacco to bob gimlin a few times
Are you going to announce that you keep your poop in a jar?
DeleteNot the real Knower.
DeleteHopefully I, the Knower, will not turn into another "sally" on this fine blog. Over the next few weeks, I will be handing out tasty tidbits of info regarding the Bigfoot world. You will find, unlike Robert Lindsay, i will have a "correct" rate of 90%. Mostly on the pgf, but I have an eye on Biptos supposed "habituation" of "wood apes"(they are not) as well as a couple other newsworthy gems.
Again. Mostly PGF. That i can say is a done deal. Bagged, Tagged, Hoax, move along, folks.
Drew The Cork Soaker^
Deletedid lindsey go to the dark side.
Deletesome guy rode with patterson and sold tabacco to gimlin (late 60s-70 yr old at least) but speaking in the vernacular of social media and somewhat tech savvy seems incongruent with the all knowing inside stories.
DeleteThe Knower here,
DeleteThis "tobacco" guy is just an Anon copying my posting style. There will be no outlandish claims from me. Just cold hard facts that i will share.
Cold hard facts? Like you take it up the taterhole and love it.Now that's cold hard facts right there I tell ya.
DeleteI am the real knower, and i can confirm that i indeed sold tobacco to Bob Gimlin and occasionally Patterson. And Big news coming tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteNo news is good news with Gary Gnu
DeleteWhether this Knower character is legit or not, people should realize there is an exceedingly good chance Roger hoaxed that film. The researchers with recognizable names have done the rank and file no favors by refusing(for the most part) to acknowledge the possibility of hoax. People have become emotionally invested in footage submitted by a self-styled bigfoot showman who was making a bigfoot movie and had a cynical financial backer.
ReplyDeleteI think Roger was a really interesting guy, maybe even a very good man. He stiffed a gullible rich couple for 700 lousy bucks and did not pay a few bills when his plans did not work out. Big deal. I hope someday we all live in a world where crime is so rare, cops issue arrests warrants for late rentals.Lol. One need not believe he is a horrible person to consider the film a hoax; there are plenty of other reasons, and they were known in 1967!
People should not be emotionally invested in this footage: Truth usually finds its way out, and the truth in this case is that the film is a hoax.
Sweatiyeti will beg to differ. Don't worry though just wait till you see his latest ms paint creation your mind will be blown.
DeleteAnon 5:28, I totally agree that, even if it turns out that the PG film was hoaxed, we don't have to label Patterson a horrible person.
DeleteI was going to say earlier in this thread that I think it's very common for people who have had sightings and/or successfully captured video of BF to become distraught when their credibility -- and even their sanity -- is attacked publicly over and over again (and with a venom that is, to me, frankly inexplicable). It doesn't surprise me at all that some people might respond to all that unrestrained mud-slinging by faking something, just to silence the "critics" and restore their good names.
I'm not saying this was the case with Patterson. But it's heartbreaking to see the anger and hurt in so many people who have come forward with their stories and/or physical evidence, only to have sh*t thrown in their faces. We could greatly accelerate this grand investigation -- and significantly cut back on the number of hoaxes we're faced with -- if we could learn to be a little more respectful of each other.
Regardless of the authenticity of that film, there are thousands of years of interaction with this type of creature in many cultures around the globe. Finding a "suit" will not prove there is and never was a bigfoot, only that a particular few seconds of footage was hoaxed.
Deletesweetie yeti is the worst poster on the internet. ever.
Deletehe's a one dimensional delusional waste of bandwidth and sperm.
i'll elaborate more on this, later. when i have time.
in the meantime, i'll remind you that my nose up bill's ass trumps anything you can say or post.
The sad part is, there were no indicators they've noticed to prove its undoubtedly a hoax. That's a straight up lie to make you people think they were not fooled, WHICH THEY WERE. It was only during questioning the story of these that it was discovered they were hoaxed. I have that on good authority. Maybe if these guys are honest they'll tell you the truth about why these were declared hoaxes. What I have seen displayed here proves to me that no matter how honest you think a Bigfoot researcher is they will.lie to make themselves look better. What ever happened to : "damn, you really got me this time, maybe I have some MORE learning to do" ???? Just be frigging honest, AT LEAST.
ReplyDeleteToo much emotional investment to be honest after the fact and/or their own ego.
DeleteYou could write a psych thesis paper on this stuff. The material is there.
They want to be the guardians of their secret hoaxing information, makes them feel important. The irony is the hoaxers are obviously at least one step ahead of them to begin with, so it wouldn't matter. And if another hoaxer uses the techniques that they reveal, well it shouldn't take more than a second to recognize it, hmmmm?
DeleteThat's not a bigfoot researcher trait, that is a human trait. Not universal, but prevalent. And I'd trust a bigfooter more than a politician, at least...
DeleteI can tell it's a hoax from the picture because he has two right feet.
ReplyDeleteThe knower here
ReplyDeleteHint: Think of who roger patterson date in the late 60s. Also pay close attention to what Tim Fasano has been saying recently.
The word on the street for those who know, is that fb/fb and tim fasano have a real video that will undeniably prove that bigfoot is a lost tribe of native americans who suffer from lycanthropy.
^^^ not yhe real knower. The real Knower wont say stupid outlandish shit. Just deliver cold hard facts.
ReplyDeleteMaybe The Knower should invest 20 seconds in making an account to shake the imposters. Crazy but IT JUST MIGHT WORK~!
DeleteThe Knower here
DeleteGood idea.
Is it true that two BFF footers named Tontar and Kitakaze were in on hoaxing the Elbe trackway ?
ReplyDeleteThe knower here.
DeleteNo. I've recieved inside info it was a combination of the person who actually found the tracks, and 3 folks who "examined" them soon after. Hesitant to name names, but lets say this was a concentrated act in the part of Bleeverz to convince folks bf was real and bring fame to their org.
MM knows one name, but is not aware (yet) of the other 2-3 participants. He is NOT dumb though, and has a pretty good idea, but will not disclose due to internal politics.
If he wont, i will, but only after I see they have not been caught out by their own.
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Deletenut job Parnassus
Moneymaker is only an "expert" because he says that he is. He is notorious for his ridiculous unfounded assumptions concerning the creature, there is nothing scientific about his work. The man is a self aggrandizing sensationalist, who is capitalizing off of the current Bigfoot craze. He is an absurd enthusiast who is no better than the hoaxers and other idiotic amateurs who claim to be "researchers" in this subject. His escapades do a great disservice to those credible scientific researchers who are actually trying to objectively inquire into the Bigfoot phenomenon. He is a nasty, vicious unsavory little man who is better at hurling insults than he is "researching" anything. Do the serious researchers a favor and stay out of their way, you are only muddying the waters with your antics Moneymaker.
ReplyDeleteI am sick and tired of that ridiculous loud mouth (Moneymaker) being touted as the voice of the "community" simply because he is the most obnoxious. The man is a fool, and I am sure that anyone who has ever worked with him is well aware of that, as is anyone who has ever watch "Finding Bigfoot". Animal Planet should be ashamed of peddling such garbage.
ReplyDeleteMoneymaker will be his own undoing, because he does not know how to shut his big mouth. One day he will cross a line that he will not be able to come back from, and hopefully his reign as the most prominent amateur enthusiast will come to an end. If the man was even half way likable, then maybe it would be different, but he is a certified jack ass.
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