Question From The Comments: Is one body enough? Or do we need two bodies?


This question is from the comments section. Ray, a new reader spoke with a friend who's a curator at the New York Museum of Natural History about Dr. Melba Ketchum's Bigfoot DNA study. He wanted to know if it's possible for DNA to prove that Bigfoots exist. According to his friend the curator, more than just a body a needed-- you need at least two. If someone drags in a Bigfoot body, it still won't be enough he says. The scientific community will not accept it and will label it as a "freak of nature, a mistake, an abnormality".

Hello to All. I apologize if my questions come off annoying or if they have already been answered but I’m a little late to the party and I’m trying to play catch up.

I read about Dr Melbas involvement with the Bigfoot creature and her attempt to verify the species through DNA.

My questions are these.

1.Can DNA results be tampered with?

2.Is it possible to show results that claim these creatures exist, even if they don’t?

3.What does positive DNA bring to the table? Will the world of science really take notice?

4.After all is said and done and the results are in, could it sill be recognized and categorized as a living breathing species without access to a cadaver?

5.Will academics be sold on DNA alone?

What is the more cucial when trying to convince science of the species exsistence... A positive DNA sequence or a cadaver/carcass?

I spoke to an old friend I haven’t seen in years. I would have brought this entire Melba situation up if I had known about it at the time. He is a curator at the New York Museum of Natural History. Unfortunately the BF topic doesn’t interest him. However he did say something that I found very interesting, it was something I never heard before. Remember its just an opinion.

He said that this {not word for word but just the gist of it}:

The Bigfoot craze became huge after that film came out. {referring to Patterson} Till this day, nobody has been able to drag one of these things into the autopsy room. Its possible, but highly unlikely that these things avoided detection and capture for so long. Especially on American soil. If you watch the researchers and believers.. most feel that all we need is a body to get closure on this topic. All we need is one body to rock the world, change the evolution model and rewrite the textbooks. Many feel that the body will end all skepticism!

Unfortunately that’s not how its going to go down. Lets say that someone hits one of these things with a car. No big brother cover-up, no disinformation nonsense, no carting off the body to an Air Force hanger. Just straight up road kill by way of an accident. Involvement from local police, the coroners office as well as a bunch of local veterinarians who have to get out of their bed at 2AM in the morning. Most likely, Hazmat and Disease control would be invited to the party as well.

So after all is done, no matter what the photos, videos, autopsy reports and DNA results tell us…science will automatically classify the subject as an isolated existence until proven otherwise. It will not be recognized as an actual spices until proof of a populace is brought forth. For all anyone knows, what they have in front of them is nothing more then a freak of nature, a mistake, an abnormality. In order for the subject to get any type of actual recognition and attention, one would need to bring the second subject in. Doing this would bring undeniable proof of a succession. That’s how its done. The first one will only stir an interest,the second one is the selling point.

In other words its back to the drawing board. Discouraging isn’t it?

Your answers to the DNA questions would be much appreciated. Thank You Ray

Comments

  1. DNA evidence is tampered with all the time in criminal cases. In the case of Sasquatch it will no doubt be manipulated to obscure the result or worse to downplay or deny existence.

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    1. His friend is wrong, one body is enough. Sure they'll want more evidence to go with it, but the exemplar specimen with intact reproductive organs will be enough. Especially if there are other specimens (teeth, bones, blood, hair) that can be haplotyped against the body. But, unless Smeja is actually telling the truth it seems we'll never find out the answer to this question........

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    2. "Other specimens" = specimens from other individuals as those supposed to exist aka Robert Lindsay's post/purported sample submissions.

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    3. I agree Timmy. One body and multiple specimens from other representatives of the species. If it comes back 100% human, unless completely unknown haplotype it will just be a classified feral human. Otherwise Squatch gets his much deserved REAL status!

      Ro call Justin and give up that hairy kid!!

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    4. Feel convinced parts of the socalled scientific community is already well in the know, they have government friends in their midst - spies if you will - with a nice education to keep the status quo and report of changes or risks of it. That's why many scientists when asked say a bigfoot can't exist for this or that ecological or biological reason, but they're not stupid people they know witnesses aren't stupid people either and in many cases likely saw what they say they saw. So the question is, why are scientists acting so dumb when logic should tell them this species probably is there - they're part of the problem not the solution.

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    5. Logic tells us it does NOT exist. No real pics or films no bodies LOL! Its a coverup and scientists all play it off to keep us, the population peeps, safe.

      LOL you looney tunes wacko!!!

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  2. I think Ray's friend the curator is full of crap.

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  3. First off "DNA is Tampered with" for criminal cases means that it was contaminated thus not viable to use. You cannot CHANGE DNA. When it is Tampered with, it simply means other DNA was either intentionally or accidentally added to the specimen.

    What Melba Ketchum is doing is sequencing different DNA from different specimens. So in the case that one body is found, then her work (If ever published) will pay off. If the body were to contain the exact same DNA as her assorted specimens, then they cannot rule it as a freak of nature.

    Likewise, if her DNA matches a relict Hominid thought to be extinct, then there might not be need of a body at all. (That seems to be the route Oxford is taking)

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    1. Not only can't it be tampered with but DNA will tell us quite a bit about the host body for instance height, say it says eight feet or taller you have good rock solid proof right there of something unusual.

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    2. “You cannot change DNA”?????

      Really Tzieth? You can't change DNA?
      Are you actually competing for some retard of the year award? Well you've got my vote douchebag. Hear this: you are too unintelligent to speak. You should never ever open your mouth except to stick a gun in it.
      If you lived in REALTIY you would already know that humans have been able to change DNA since the 70s. Such DNA is called “recombinant DNA”. It is the technology that was used in gene therapy, and it is the technology that allows us to produce human insulin for use by diabetics. It would be perfectly possible to splice some chimp sequences into a human genome and have chimeric DNA.

      I don't know precisely how she'll perpetrate her hoax but I can assure you that real scientists, who are hundreds of time smarter then her and thousands of times smarter then you, are going to debunk the shit out of it (if her hoax paper ever actually comes out that is) and make all you footers look even stupider and douchier then you already look (if that's even possible).

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    3. ^Time to replace them batteries Jrefer!
      You're getting cranky again.

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    4. Or better yet Jrefer,go visit Queen Randis Gloryhole,release all your pent up frustration.

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    5. ^^^^
      That's right piggies! Squeal! Squeal like a motherfucker cause you got nothing. Not a fucking thing. Tzieth gets put in his place and you little turds can't think of a thing to say. The fact that some people are too educated to fall for your lies just makes you so mad doesn't it? The educated, reasonable individual is the bane of you footers and you know it and hate it. So keep squealing piggies, it makes you look like noisy retards...and nobody likes a noisy retard.

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    6. Gotta love those randy Randi monkeys blasting their loads of bitterness all over the place.

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    7. Tzieth, I think they only have dna from denisova, neantherdals and us. If the bigfoots are not one of these, then they cannot match its dna to any known hominid. Obviously. In that case Sykes can talk about what it is "close" to I suppose.

      I doubt Ketchum will go as far as to create chimera dna, but you should forget about that project. Look at the comments under the 1st or 2nd post about Randle's appearance on Rictor and Lee's show. It is clear that some of the negative comments were coming from people in the loop. Combining that with all the red flags, there is a high probability the study is a farce.

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    8. Okay.. again for the cowardly anom who needs to look up what exactly "Recombiant DNA" is.. YOU CAN NOT CHANGE DNA!!!! While I do thank you for your nominating me, I could not possibly take your crown from you.. You are too modest.

      "Recombinant DNA (rDNA) molecules are DNA sequences that result from the use of laboratory methods (molecular cloning) to bring together genetic material from multiple sources, creating sequences that would not otherwise be found in biological organisms. Recombinant DNA is possible because DNA molecules from all organisms share the same chemical structure; they differ only in the sequence of nucleotides within that identical overall structure. Consequently, when DNA from a foreign source is linked to host sequences that can drive DNA replication and then introduced into a host organism, the foreign DNA is replicated along with the host DNA."

      That is taking DNA from one source and adding it to another.. The BASE DNA is still the same no matter how many proteans you add to it. And since the 70's??? Really? were you even alive back then? I doubt it, those of us who were got "respect" beat into us by our parents. You seem to come from that "Time-Out" generation and you are proof of how well that seems to work. If we knew anything about DNA in the 70's we would not have all these incarcerated people being set free because DNA exonerated them from the time they were locked up in the 80's.

      Hell just google or Bing "Can DNA be changed"

      first on the list you get :
      "Can a person's D.N.A. be changed ? News …
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      Best answer
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      answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=...
      Resolved · 5 total answers · Published Sep 18, 2008
      Sep 18, 2008 · Best Answer: No a person's DNA cannot be changed. Your DNA is your body's code to create itself, it consists of all your genes." and then you get ways it can be added to or cloned but all state the same thing.. The Base DNA can not be changed except from mutation (Cancer)

      If you are going to resort to name calling and failed attempts to call someone out, at least have the common courtesy to not hide behind an anom name. Thus all it does is make you look like a ranting coward, and your words carry little weight even to those on your own side.

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    9. First off: Tzieth's a ratard. He thinks science has DNA from all relic hominids. He thinks DNA cannot be changed. LMFAO, where do you find these douchebags BFE?


      Secondly: Its smarter THAN not smarter THEN.


      Thirdly: There's a lot of douchebag dumb asses around here.

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    10. Uh, yeah, so DNA can be tampered with. End of story.

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    12. "AnonymousTuesday, September 18, 2012 5:35:00 PM PDT
      First off: Tzieth's a ratard. He thinks science has DNA from all relic hominids. He thinks DNA cannot be changed. LMFAO, where do you find these douchebags BFE?"

      Fist off, do not put words in my mouth, Secondly if you are going to stay in the shadows while calling out typos and slinging insults, back up your claim or SFTU.

      If I am wrong, prove it!!! Or else remain silent.

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    13. "AnonymousTuesday, September 18, 2012 12:09:00 PM PDT
      ^^^^
      That's right piggies! Squeal! Squeal like a motherfucker cause you got nothing. Not a fucking thing. Tzieth gets put in his place and you little turds can't think of a thing to say. The fact that some people are too educated to fall for your lies just makes you so mad doesn't it? The educated, reasonable individual is the bane of you footers and you know it and hate it. So keep squealing piggies, it makes you look like noisy retards...and nobody likes a noisy retard."

      Put in my place? No one put me in my place because no one has shown me proof. I backed up my claim, where is yours? Show me where we can "Change" base DNA? otherwise stop trolling or at least use a screen name.

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  4. if a 10foot 800pound apeman which matched the description of all the eye witness accounts over the years. I seriously doubt anyone is going to think its a 'freak of nature" etc.... Im sure science would like a female/male/juvinile but for the rest of us a the aforementioned beast would be more than enough!

    Sadly i think there is a growing realization,apart from those who believe the've saw it, that this creature doesnt exisist. As much as we want it too we simply know it doesnt exist. these reports etc that are taken an age to finish will be inconclusive as we all know. what are qwe going to do carry on watching idiots like, squatchmaster,fatsano,joeblack ,timber'fookinsickman'giant[the worst of all with his VF attacks/presents he gets, hoaxed videos he admits to[ie pics of gorillas] showing us hoaxed film or illusions/blobsquatches. surely we have better things to do and just let oiur boyhood dreams die

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    1. I'm curious, what difference does it make to you whether some one believes this or not? How does John Smith of Eureka CA believing their are Sasquatch in his neck of the woods impact your life at all? Some people find particle physics entertaining, others like wrestling, I find this stuff entertaining - a couple of the people mentioned are actually decent storytellers. People spend all sorts of time and money on non-essential goods - it's called entertainment.

      I'm old school - I remember life before the internet when you just wouldn't spend the time/energy joining organizations you didn't like. I mean you are spending time here - reading articles, comments, posting... I just don't get it.

      Dude... live and let live. If this is a waste of time to you, then move on to something more entertaining. Why torture yourself? Free will and all that jazz.

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    2. Forgot to mention all the yucks. Don't forget the yuck value.

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    3. Sad but true, a body is needed. I for one am clearly in the pro-kill camp.

      Lucky for me, I have a peronsal friendship wiht a leading NBC ancor so if I ever bag one of the big fella's he gets my call for a live interview with the body right there for everyone to see... The cloak and dagger stuff of the past is what has pushed me to this point. So much allegid evidence and nothing to show for it.
      When you really think about it, the evidence points to a cult of hoaxers more than an unknown hominid. I mean we do have a body of a hoaxer and many many eye withness reports and videos...
      Just saying

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    4. If you're pro-kill you're boundlessly stupid because for one thing there's no chance we're talking about wild roaming apes here in the first place, even if they were that it's retarded to want to prove them that way. It's wrong in the African jungle so it's certainly wrong here too on ethical grounds, we're talking about something very humanlike afterall and a primate like us in fact most likely of the Homo line. America would be laughed backwards into the Pacific ocean by everyone else in the free world if deranged enough to actually do this. So forget it, won't happen anyway because the powers that be will continue to oppose disclosure for as long as they can right until you'll be allowed to publish. Same thing, among other things perhaps, that's currently holding Melba's boys back. Animal or Man species regardless, this is the US you don't get the green light on something this big just because you want to.

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    5. Alrighty Mr.Scholar,what makes you think going into the Pacific Ocean is backwards?Could it not be forwards?
      Jackass.....

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    6. Anon 1:48,

      I don't give 2 shits what other countires think about me. They're all peasants anyway. I'll shoot the apeman and then skull-fuck him if I want to and there's nothing your bleeding heart libtard ass can do about it.

      Then, they'll be protected, something morons with views like you will NEVER accomplish.

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  5. Ever wonder that the reason we can't find it is because it doesn't exist?

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    1. Do you ever wonder why you're a loser and people don't like you?

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    2. But I like you, Prokill. Especially around the mouth and taterhole.

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  6. Yeah but people don't really believe in BF anymore. In this scientific age, the lack of bigfoot IS proof of its non-existance.

    Footers are just a Monster Fan Club. In
    Their heads they know there is no evidence in the age if evidence except some hoaxed tracks and hairs. All proven hoaxed.

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    1. People don't really believe in Bigfoot anymore? Really? And I guess most Americans don't believe in a God either then, for the same reasons.

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    2. What the hell does God or politics have to do with believing in Bigfoot.

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    3. Because God is Bigfoot,that's why.And have you seen Obama-Knucklegrunt?

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    4. WRONG! YOU are Sasquatch!

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    5. Yeah well you are chupacabra!

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    6. The yeti is a Muslim and sasquatch is a born again Christian ... It's true!!!! Dont get me started on bigfoot and scientology ...what a poser

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  7. I can understand why people want to/do believe but it's been 45yrs since a clear image 45yrs man thats a long time.Even the last image is questionable.This is just a past time for me and I have talked to some very credible people that claim to have seen these things and have heard some strange things in the wilderness myself so I stay open minded and interested but I can also understand why people wonder why there has been no rock solid proof yet and have walked away from this subject.

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  8. This guy is right. Ketchum needs and is searching for a second body to fully complete her study, this is the only way it will be fully accepted.

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    1. When did anyone find the first body?

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    2. Recently. The 2nd body will be found soon.

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  9. One body is enough for me. To all the nonbelievers,go back & read the story posted on Saturday. The one about Mt.Saint Helen in the mid to late 90's. Not only are there multiple bodies,but they are capable of communicating with eachother,but with government,& Army officials. They also love to travel by jeep as opposed to walking. Can you blame them? As I have stated. I would love to see credible evidence that proves BigFoot exist,but do not believe they hang with the Army going cave,to cave in jeeps checking on their boys. Sorry,but I would believe Obama really is going to fix America,before believing this.

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    1. Wow,that's saying a lot about Obama fixing America. It should be the other way around.

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    2. Can I let you in on a very well kept secret?It does't matter who the president is because even though some get in to politics for the right reason it doesn't take long for corruption to take over.Republican or Democrat not one president has ever or will ever do what they say they will.One is as bad as the other and none of it has anything to do with Bigfoot so why don't you take your insane political views to a website about political shit.

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    3. Obama couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag. Deal with it.

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  10. Id be okay if ketchum would just show us a clear pic of the family of 5 that she claims were in her property.

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    1. I'm sure she would if she actually had one.

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    2. She claims too. But wont show em she says.

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    3. If she has BFs on her property all one would need to do is trespass and see them for themselves. Risking trespassing to get great BF photos or video seems worthwhile to me.

      Gerry

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  11. You want to know what this community needs?To bad I'm going to tell you anyway.Get rid of the trail cams and stop with the wood knocks and get you some guns and go into the woods stay there until you see one of these critters and plug it right between the eyes.Then take it to your local tv station drag its hairy ass in and drop it on the broadcast table and say there now you have a headline.problem solved.

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    1. Oh my mother fucking god! What is your obsession with storming into television stations? This is the third time that you have suggested this shit. Why not just call them on the telephone? You have heard of the telephone right? Its an electronic device that allows a person to communicate over long distances. It would make vastly more sense to use the telephone to call them, then to make a public ass out of yourself by dropping “it on the broadcast table”. You footers have an unhealthy fixation on causing a spectacle.

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    2. 9:40 must be certified insane, you don't storm into a news room with the body of a nine foot apeman only to find you committed murder and go to jail.

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    3. I'm prokill for sure and an immediate disclosure to the public via a live broadcast is absolutly needed. All this cloak and dagger stuff means either there is no real evidence or everyone involved are a bunch of glory hounds sitting on evidence wanting to be "the one" who does the big reveal.

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    4. “Immediate disclosure to the public via a live broadcast is absolutely needed”

      Really? Why? Why the fuck would that be necessary?
      You know broadcasts that interrupt normal programing often pertain to important things like impending tornadoes or flash floods, not some redneck allegedly shooting a mythical ape. Furthermore most any respectable news organization is going to delay making any kind of announcement while they make sure that the “body” isn't a gorilla suit stuffed with rotting meat.

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    5. Anon 10:54. We are saying the same thing. Maybe a better way to say it is a live broadcast at the first available slot in the normal news cycle.

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  12. It's so refreshing to see a new, rational, un-biased point of view.

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  13. I believe the Sasquatch children are our future...teach them well and let them lead the way...show them all the beauty they possess inside...give them a sense of pride to make it easier...let the Sasquatch children's laughter...remind us how we used to be

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    1. ... Isn't that from a song?? I think it's from a song ... Back to teaching gym for me.

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  14. Two bodies is to much I doubt if I could eat one let alone two

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  15. Hello Folks.Thank you for your time and feedback,I really appreciate it. The people on here are wonderful and seem to be really well informed when it comes to these complex topics.They helped me to get a better understanding of how DNA sequencing works.I feel pretty lucky to have come across this page.Not knocking the other BF pages but you guys serve a great purpose. Up to the minute info on all things BF and to provide a place for the followers to network without being judged. Keep up the great work guys.
    I read that a few people didn't agree with the comment my buddy made.For all I know,your probably all correct and he could be wrong.I'm sure that you all know what your talking about.He isn't really familiar with the BF topic.He was just commenting on how he thinks it would play out.What his opinion was based on,I cant say because I don't know.
    If I gave the impression that this was a definite thing or that this was fact then Im sorry. I was just trying to share someones idea on how the event might happen.I didnt mean to anger anyone. Ray

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    1. People sometimes confuse "proof of existence" with "identify". If a documented expedition with reputable scientists gets a clear picture, reasonable people will say "oh, shit! It exists!".
      Its all about the provenance.

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  16. It is much easier to prove something exists then that it does not.........

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  17. would love to find the guy who throws the word retard around.

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