My thoughts on the footprint from the Elbe, WA trackway
Editor’s Note: Jonathan Poulsen is a cryptozoologist with a mere four years experience. But what he lacks in time he has made up for in progress.If this footprint from Elbe, WA is fake, the hoaxer went to the trouble of researching the anatomy of the human foot, because if you look at the toes, you'll notice that some toes are squared off while others are rounded, just as in healthy human feet.
However, I find it highly suspicious that the stems of the toes are not visible, and it would probably be awkward for a creature of this proportion to continuously walk with it's toes flexed. Even the flexing of the toes for a single step is an uncomfortable experience for us humans.
Let me set the record straight and say that this isn't an article. I wrote this on the BFRO Facebook page and Shawn contacted me to say if I was alright with him posting it on the blog. Just lettin' y'all know.
ReplyDeleteI am no expert, but every suspected BF track I have found has had some toes with such a stem even if a few toes didn't, good point. Those found in softer soils were even more likely to have more with stems.
DeleteAlso, in really wet soil, mud actually, there were small impressions of hairs along the foot outline in several places on the suspected BF tracks I found.
DeleteWhile many of us have been suspicious of these prints, based largely on a few of the photographs, I do think it is important to remember that the situation at the location may be much different. Just because one picture looks too perfect, that doesn't mean that the whole set is hoaxed. While I agree that this particular photo and several others have some red flags, the researchers at the site showed other prints that seemed to be more natural and appropriate to the terrain and substrate. I'm confident that the FINAL analysis will set it all straight. Until then, we await the insights of those most qualified.
DeleteOf course these are fake. What should trouble everyone interested in this field is the fact that so-called "experts/pro's" are pushing them as authentic.
ReplyDeleteJust look at those ridiculously molded things.
Folks, you know there are people who are posting comments on this blog just to upset other people. This comment above is a good example.
DeleteObviously he doesn't know more than the many experienced people who investigated these tracks. He wouldn't know what an authentic track would look like even if his pimply face was rubbed in it.
Just ignore dummies like him. Shawn can't block them, unfortunately, so you just have to get a sense for which fools are posting comments just to get reactions from people.
LMFAO!!! Yeah, just ignore CORRECT people like him. We wouldn't want to expose the perpetrators of a hoax as frauds. Nope, can't have that. You stupid dingleberry, rationale and common sense is beyond your wildest imaginations I see.
DeleteShawn, I think you may have some truly deranged people on this blog posting maniacal comments. I wondered if crazy white trash scum like Anon 7:09 has weapons in his possession to. He's living in his own distorted reality where he is at war with things he has decide to rally against, like bigfoots. If I knew who he was I'd call the local sheriffs for his jurisdiction. I'd want them to pay him a visit and let him know the law is on to him.
DeleteUh, from what I've read of those last 2 comments, you (7:16) seem to be the white trash scum posting "maniacal comments". Just re-read yours, you are clearly unstable and flip out when someone else doesn't believe something that you do. My .02 ¢
DeleteWhoa Anon 7:16 forgot to take his medicine. Someone call the psyche ward. We have an escaped mental patient.
DeleteIts no wonder why kids act the way they do now a days, looks at how some of the (supposedly)adults act in here and im sure they do it at home also... what a shame..
DeleteCould be legit but the print looks to perfect and the timing of the discovery just a month or so after the Oregon track way seems fishy
ReplyDeleteHey Sherlock,
DeleteYou don't know what you're talking about, so you should probably STFU. The Oregon tracks were found back in Winter.
Did you ever consider that people are more aware of what to look for now? And more aware of who to report it to? And better able to take photos and send them to other people?
You probably indulge in conspiracy theories to explain all sorts of things that seem "fishy" to you, Sherlock.
Err, ok. It was 7 months ago :)
DeleteYou shouldn't make comments about things you don't know anything about. You don't know anything about the Elbe tracks. Don't humiliate yourself.
DeleteAnon 7:18 chill out, if the photos or videos get published we comment.
DeleteYou sound like a control freak and probably why you also sound miserable.
They look fake to me, but I don't know much about them, they just look fake to me.
Meldrum can prove it.
The London trackway was from February or March not just a month or so ago. Although I find them hard to believe too. They just seem to perfect.
ReplyDeleteSo you've seen all of them? All 200 of them? Or maybe you just saw a few photos of the best tracks when they were very fresh. Did you ever think about that?
DeleteA few were bound to be excellent if they were the best of 200 or so, in perfect conditions. And what qualifies you to say "they just seem to perfect".
Do us a favor, don't post on this blog until after you graduate from high school, or you get off public assistance.
5:30, 5:36, 5:41, stop trolling, this is clearly a fake print.
DeleteYeah, sure. You've convinced me of that, you loser.
Delete"Clearly a fake print" because ... it looks too much like a real print.
DeleteGo to bed, junior. It's past your bed time.
"Go to bed, junior. It's past your bed time" Hahaha, buddy, you have no idea. I own your ass any day of the week you amateur.
Deletethey kind of look like the mold of human feet a
ReplyDeleteman did on one of the BF documentries were he kept making it bigger and said he could make them as big as he wanted.
Yeah that was Is it real it was Nat Geo I think.
DeleteI noticed the lack of a stem on each toe too, when I wear my Vibram five-fingers this happens in the prints I leave. Not saying these are five-fingers, but maybe a mold worn on the bottom of shoes or just a fake print on the end of a pole.
ReplyDeleteDon't even try to second guess the people who were actually at the Elbe site. They considered all those things when they were there, and they've all been doing it longer than you've been alive.
Delete5:43 Angry Troll alert, please stop trolling every comment in this thread. You seem so sour and butt hurt about this, get the fu*k over it, it's fake.
DeleteKiss my ass, and go find some other blog on some other subject to stink up with your idiotic comments.
DeleteHey 5:48 ... why don't you post your real name. Identify yourself and stand by what you say.
DeleteIt's really amazing to think the stupid newbie commenters on this blog may have actually convinced themselves that the Elbe tracks are fake!! In their own twisted and deranged world they've come to believe they know more about evidence items than the more experienced people who have evaluated them in context. They convince themselves of all sorts of bullshit, and that becomes part of their twisted reality.
DeleteYes these people with so much experiance have brought us just sooooo much evidence haven't they. You seem so butt hurt that not everyone lines up for the cool aid like you do.
DeleteAs if they need to bring you the evidence, to satisfy you. Who the hell do you think you are? You're nothing. Your only accomplishment is that you've figured out how to post something on an unrestricted blog. That makes you some kind of authority? Some kind of critic that needs to be catered to?
DeleteYou are nothing but a piece of trash in a cyber peanut gallery. You think researchers need to hear your frustrations because you're unable to do any direct research yourself? The ones who are really out there laugh and cranks like you, the self-appointed anonymous critics who don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Go to hell!
Its pretty obvious that the guy who is trolling all these comments and defending the trackway so hard, is the author of the guest post. He did the same thing in the other thread about them. Get over it buddy, the tracks are faked. Oh wait a minute, i forgot about the guy who casted his own footprints and tried to pass them off as real until he got caught and then said he didnt remember making them at the elbe sight. That adds so much credibility. And of course also the fact that its a residential area with numerous people walking its shores every day. Heck the day they were supposedly discovered, some random man, a female jogger, and then finally the guy who casted them were their. This is just totally bogus
DeleteAnd dude stop tryin to defend your article with every comment you dont like. No one cares what you have to say. Its pretty easy to see that its fake, just like its easy to see its you that are butt hurt over your post getting picked apart.
Can you name just one person with any qualifications who agrees that the tracks are "obviously faked"?
DeleteIs there anyone with any credibility at all who says the Elbe tracks are hoaxed, based on some rational logic?
If so, the name that person. If you can't name anyone, then you're living in a fantasy world. You should just fuck off and go somewhere else. You are nothing but deranged white trash.
It seems like a few different anonymous people who are claiming the Elbe tracks are faked. But that's not the case. It's one individual -- the one who uses the phrase "butt hurt" a lot. It's all the same guy. He replies to his own comments, seeming to agree with them. He gets a thrill by filling up Shawn's blog with comments to deceive people into thinking his twisted bullshit perspective is actually shared by many people.
DeleteThe open forum phenomena has manifested itself all over again, just like it did with BigfootForums and the IVBC before it. A deranged Beckjord-like asshole has parked himself on this blog. He makes himself feel like the king of the hill by convincing people that he's more than one person. No one agrees with him unless it's actually him pretending to be someone else. That's pretty easy to do on this blog, and he does it every day.
It's obvious that the troll is a Moneymaker ball licker!
DeleteI agree. In addition to using 'butt hurt' a lot he also uses 'casted' instead of 'cast' in the simple past. There are other grammatical/spelling errors he consistently makes as well, but to point them all out would take too long.
DeleteI also believe that he has pent up anger and says " fake " to everything when he can't sexually satisfy himself because of his erectile dysfunction. He likes to use "Looney Tunes", " This is the Real Deal Folks", " any post with footrz , and references to retards! All the same guy posting and relying to himself!
DeleteYou are all wrong, I first typed 'Butt Hurt' this time, and all of the consecutive posts below using the term was someone else. So, your investigative skills blow, just like they do out in the field.
DeleteBased on his other expression I'm betting th "LMFAO" white trash "butt hurt" boy is somewhere in the Appalachians, but in a town. I don't think he's as far north as PA, but he's no further south that TN.
DeleteHe drinks hard liquor then gets online to post crap once he becomes a sufficiently angry drunk.
lmao! Anon troll fights. Gotta love it!
DeleteIt's the real deal folks!
ReplyDeleteYour small penis is the real deal!
DeleteA little bit of information for you, the person who faked these tracks documented it and will be revealing all soon to show what a joke bigfooting is. As usual the self proclaimed bigfoot experts have bought it hook line and sinker.
ReplyDeleteI can confirm this and it will be Elvis making the full statement followed by a 2 hour concert featuring Janice Joplin.
DeleteWould love to see this, keep us updated.
DeleteIn other words ... Anon 6:27 thinks readers here will fall for his juvenile attempt spread a bullshit rumor about the Elbe track like Robert Lindsay would do. Ha !
Delete6:27 sounds like an angry lady who was touched inappropriately by a Sasquatch.
DeleteShawn, your blog has become a cesspool. Try to find a way to keep the kids and lunatics off of it. It needs moderation. Open forums like this eventually attract people with serious disorders who have been shunned everywhere else they go. Those are the ones who throw in their two cents on every blog posted here. It makes them feel like somebodies to see their posts on the Internet.
ReplyDeleteAs long as you have the ol' easy to use "Anonymous" option for leaving posts, this place will be a fucken nightmare to talk rationally like adults. Make people sign up and most of the immature assholes and kids will go away.
DeleteYes, I completely agree!! If you want to save this blog, Shawn, please take this advice. I frequently feel sullied after reading 90% + of these comments on ALL of your posts.
DeleteAnonymous posts helped make this place great. LONG LIVE ANONYMOUS!
DeleteWell hoaxers have been known to go to a lot of trouble to make the hoax look real. Ie filling costumes with other animal parts, P&G film, every photoshopped pic, just saying.
ReplyDeletePs- The P&G comment should get some heated responses lol.
Actually, it's pretty obvious that you're trolling, so no one is going to bother with your stupid comment.
DeleteHave you finished surfing your porn sites for the evening? You're looking for some place to stink up and cause trouble. Why not go troll some ESPN sports site ... Oh, I forgot ... most other blogs with comment sections are moderated, so they're able to keep out the bums like you.
Heated responses from morons incapable of a rational thought. Yep, them big hairy titties are real son!!! Ah ha hahaha, pffffttt.
DeleteDo you have OCD?every one of your comments are followed by pfffffttt.
DeleteHey Anon 7:12 I've got a question for ya: Are you a Bible thumper? Is that why this subject threatens you? Is it a religious crusade for you to try to deter people from figuring out that bigfoots are real? It does kinda seems that way.
DeleteYou're posting comments on this site every day. Obviously you've got some kind emotion-drive agenda that keeps you fixated on Shawn's blog.
LMFAO, you're angry because every piece of "evidence" brought forward by lunatics of your ilk go NOWHERE. It's laughable and I bet you also believe skookum foot "flew in to the lay and laid down and reached up to take the bait".
DeleteLMFAO, anything Randles has been involved in is a hoax including SMEGMA!
So this "LMFAO" dork who has parked himself on this blog is probably a male in his 20's. He's angry at the world because he has never accomplished anything. It challenges his self-esteem that others are making strides in various fields, and he's only able to sit at a computer and talk crap about his betters, but only in places like this blog where he's able to get away with it. It makes him feel important. He is probably white trash who is unemployed and unemployable. That's my guess.
Delete7:12 sounds like Kitakaze with the pffftt response. He's posting here because he's pretending to be in Japan on the BFF...lol
DeleteActually, that shit-kicker Kitakaze IS in Japan but's he not Japanese. He's either white or a "hapa" (mixed race Japanese). You can tell by his expressions. I think learned to speak English in the U.S. and then moved to Japan. He may be U.S. military, or a U.S. soldiers love-child (just speculation).
Delete^
DeleteUmm nice try Kitakaze, you just posted on the BFF a couple of hours ago and said earlier you hadn't left yet.
I have no opinion of the footprints. However, I want to remark that my toes are constantly flexed, and I never show the stems of my toes in footprints. Just born that way.
ReplyDeleteTo the anon who is defending these so hard. WE get it, your the author of the post and youve never been here before. You arent used to seeing the posts be looked at rationally. The tracks are pretty obviously faked and the story has wholes everywhere.
ReplyDeleteAnd you seem to be content in talking about this in terms of a human foot and that is why they are so credible. You seem to forget that from the little we know about these animals tracks, they dont walk like humans and their anatomy isnt the same. So guess what, if the anatomy is matching up dead on to a human, then connect the dots.
Has anyone bothered to google image the area....its populated. Their are so many inconsistencies everywhere in the story. And as far as im aware, the main research party up their is team tazer bigfoot and derek randles. And we all know how much credibility those guys have. One group does nothing but make irony videos b/c they cant find any real evidence, and the other showed his true colors with smeja. Throwing his supposed friend right under the bus the minute shit really hit the fan.
Here is a good prediction. In the next few months we will see an even bigger trackway, and then a trackway better than that. The hoaxers have a formula now to follow. For a hundred books you can buy the best fake bigfoot feet out their.
books/bucks, same thing, lol
DeleteDefinitely the same loser defending these hoaxed prints. Its sad that people like that can't get the help they desperately need. Looney toons!
DeleteAnon 7:32 You're really in your fantasy world. You've been posting so much bullshit on Shawn's blog for so long that you're not accustomed to being outed by bigfooters who have been dealing with deranged idiots like you for decades. The "holes" in the story are the product of your twisted imagination. You don't know jack shit about the whole case because you weren't there.
DeleteI'd bet a $1,000 that you have no girlfriend, or any relationship like that. And that would be due to mental problems, and because the rest of society reacts with repulsion to you.
Anon @ 7:32: I'm surprised you haven't claimed that the photo can be easily hoaxed by placing a shrunken counterfeit $5 bill next to a human footprint. Oh wait, it might actually take some imagination to come up with that one.
DeleteWhy the hell does everyone get so damn angry on here? You are pissed off because some Bigfoot tracks might be real holy hell.The damn things were hoaxed by a real Sasquatch there that should keep you all happy.
ReplyDeleteThe toe prints seem to be made with the same pressure and deepness for each toe, which is weird because it should be deeper right underneath the toe on the ball of the foot because all of your weight rests on the balls of the foot as you walk. That's the only thing I'm sketchy about.... it looks fresh. Did they get some bloodhounds to sniff and follow the scent? ... probably not.
ReplyDeleteYa see, "LMFAO" white trash boy. Look at this nice comment above from Anon 7:54. Those are reasonable questions from a rational person.
DeleteIs he saying the Elbe tracks are "obviously fake". No, he has questions and that's normal. He's sane and balanced, unlike you. You are a true-believer but in a reverse way. You convince yourself and then you feebly try to make it appear as though others share the unsupported conclusion that you've jumped to without knowing much about the case or the evidence.
Anon 7:54 is the sort of person who's approach shows how screwed up you are, by contrast.
My toes don't have any stems either.
ReplyDeleteIt's like listening to a bunch of kindergarden kids fighting over their finger paints. why not just let the negative people think they are right and do not respond back to them, they will tire and go away if no one pays them any attention. Thats all they are looking for is to rile others up.
ReplyDeleteAt this point, what do footprints really matter anyways? Unless you have some expert tracker following them to an actual bigfoot, and that person is able to capture or kill it, they are basically irrelevant. People have been finding them for years. The beleivers think some of them are from bigfoots, and skeptics think they're all hoaxes. It doesn't bring us any closer to proving its' existence.
ReplyDeleteFirst sane comment on this thread.
DeleteActually you can learn a lot from their tracks. You can discern things about their foot anatomy and compare that to human anatomy.
DeleteIt doesn't really matter what the skeptics say. They're not scientists for the most part. They're just ignorant wannabes because they'll say the same uninformed nonsense even when the tracks are legit. They usually don't have any education either, much less any experience in this arena.
Look douche at 7:43 the guys point is that it is not evidence if it doesn't PROVE anything. Get a body and the world will take you seriously. Replying defensively to every post doesn't make your case any stronger.
DeleteI've seen a bigfoot. I think the arrogant bonehead that repeatedly uses "twisted," "deranged" and "white trash" to attempt to disparage and dismiss the skeptics is a fucking asshole.
ReplyDelete^^
DeleteAre you a closeted bitter gay man ?
Yes, he is a total asshole. Way to actually have a discussion dick.
DeleteYou're the LMFAO Appalachian white trash boy aren't you? Pretending to be someone else again by making comments then replying to them yourself.
Delete7:45, you are the only troll here, shut your yap already.
DeleteBitter about what?
ReplyDeleteWhy is this so freaking important to you?
Why is this so important to you ? You seem very bitter and angry.
DeleteAm I also now "twisted, deranged white trash" for having the unmitigated to disagree with you?
ReplyDeleteNo, you just have no clue about any of this stuff. You're fulfilling an emotional need here and you've got nothing meaningful to add.
DeleteThe only thing that saves this blog and the comment section is one doesn't have to read but a word or two of inane posts to move on. the good posts here are worth the read, although they do seem fewer and further between than a year ago. But, the whole darn BF community seems pretty inane since Finding Bigfoot became the public face.
ReplyDeleteIf these tracks were hoaxed, I want to shake whoever did it hand. I have been to the site. I can not see any easy way of doing it. I had to bounce up and down to drive my print into the mud the same depth as the tracks and I am 400lbs with a size 16 foot. The tracks dwarfed my foot with shoes on. And if anyone thinks Elbe is heavily populated, you are on crack. The last census reported the population at 29 people. TWENTYNINE, most people who stop in Elbe do so for the train or foid at Scaleburgers. If it is open. They are not climbing around driftwood, drop offs or playing in the mud. For all the trolls, get off your mama's couch wash off the Doritos dust from your fingers and crotch and go look at the area. Bring you five finger shoes and try to duplicate it. If you can make the exact same tracks, I will buy you lunch at Scaleburger and shake your hand. Otherwise go stand in the sunlight.
ReplyDeleteIt just takes one hoaxer. The input on your attempts to sink as deeply might be valid, but leaves me wondering if the mositure content of the soil dropped between leaving and your visit? Not written as a tease, but as a serious inquiry. What was the suspected time these were made and what were and have been the weather and soil conditions since then? Sandy soils can drain water pretty fast and become firmer in short order.
DeleteThat was one of my first thoughts too. I actually have an email in to TPU, the company who controls the water levels to see where it was this month. The tracks are thought to have made last weekend. The top part of the bed had dried some between the time I was there friday and when I went back yesterday, but not much. That part is clay on yop of sand. The best tracks were below the top along the water edge and the clay did not change in density between the two days. As for the weather, it was warm all week until fog and clouds moved in friday. There was a VERY light drizzle friday into saturday but I could see no difference in any tracks or prints. Some breeze both days too. An elk had crossed the area overnight and sunk in pretty deep which also added to my feelings of this being real.
DeleteI should also say the clay that took the best tracks was pretty thick, not a thin layer like on top. And clay takes awhile to lose water.
DeleteI'll agree w/ Big Jim Slade here. Chances of a hoax out in BFE Elbe are slim.
DeleteHowever, that does not mean we don't have a standard oversized man's prints.
BTW Jim, is the Elbe Restaurant & Lounge still there? We used to stop there for a short one during ski season.
If a person had feet that big, your talking somone who wears between a size 24-26. The world's tallest man at 7'8" wears a 26. So unless he was in town, I doubt a person barefoot did it. BUT, google world's tallest man gets shoes and look at the pictures of the mold they did of his feet to build the special shoes. Looks a lot like bigfoot tracks. The bar at the bridge is still there. You know, 30 years of WA, 20+ years of hunting around Elbe and I have never stopped there. Guess it is just too close to home after a day of hunting. A shower, food and dinner 30-45 minutes down the road must always override my thoughts to stop. There is also the diners in the train car. Anytime I eat in Elbe, it is Scaleburgers. Or in Morton the Sportsman before it became a mexican restaurant.
DeleteThank you so much for sharing your first-hand experience with these tracks, Big Jim! It is much appreciated!
DeleteI envy you Big Jim to be able to go to such a fantastic track site and comment on what you have seen and any more input into this would be appreciated.
DeleteThe historical track record of alleged bigfoot tracts rarely shows much toe stem. Also there is a much greater degree of flexibility in a Sasquatch foot and toes than in humans, in both the ability to curl toes downward and/or splay toes outward sometimes creating a 12 inch width, which would be a huge benefit in the terrain they inhabit and aid in both stealth and speed. In the photo above the the shorter right side toes are probably a product of these two toes being curled more than the other three. There also appears to be more push back of substrate behind the curled up toes which would be normal. The width of the track is also much wider than a corresponding human track of same length would be, and this is all in the track record. Also from what little I have read so far there is variation from track to track and this would also be consistent with the track record and not a hoax.
Dr. John Bindernagle in his Book "North America's Great Ape: the Sasquatch" has a quite good assessment of his observations of the difference between human and Sasquatch tracks, and I would like to hear his assessment on this trackway.
Derek Randles the other day also stated that the stride length varied between 4 to five feet, and less in the heavy clay soil, but I guess we will have to wait for a more concise evaluation and measurements to be brought forward.
When it comes to whether this is the real deal or an elaborate hoax the evidence right now points to the real deal and that is what the experts on site have been saying.
Thanks Big Jim
Chuck
I have posted in the other threads more of my observations of the tracks. You are right about varying stride length. When the tracks were up on the top of the bed and also exposed more to be seen, the stride was longer. Once it dropped down the cut it shortened up. Much of the upper bed was an inch or two of clay silt on top of sand. It took great prints, but casting totally destroyed them. By friday all the back and forth walking of people had broken up the two main paths into clay chips a few inches in size. The tracks in the cut were in thick clay. Like modelling clay or carving clay because it took detail so well. To access the site you have to either drop down a steep bank into slimy mud. The bank is between six and ten feet high. Or follow a path that leads out to around ten to fifteen feet of driftwood pieces then onto the upper bed. This is the route everyone including me, thinks it took. This path leads right to the Elbe State forest only a hundred yards away. That forest connects to Handcock timber lands and you can literally walkthrough forests all the way to the northpole just by staying to the east and moving north. The Pacific Crest Trail is not far from there. The south side of the area is also heavily forested and would be very easy to stay in timber all the way to Oregon except when crossing roads. Once on the bed, you move through the clay/sand to the cut. There is also straight sand where it appeared the tracks came up from the cut to the path it followed back out along blackberries. If you cross the pool you are in soupy mud over gravel then up a sand, clay, gravel bar then to main channel of river. The tracks did not cross this area. I just can't see how anyone could hoax the tracks and not fall on their ass or leave proof of people doing it. I actually saw four people over two days fall. Including my buddy when the bank gave way under him.
DeleteNo kiddin...but I have followed Sasquatch track ways more than once. The Elbe tracks look like what I have seen of various BF tracks over the past 35 years. The Elbe tracks are a real BF.
ReplyDeleteno kiddin... but I have followed people on a beach track ways more than once. The Elbe tracks look like what I have seen of various people tracks over the past 36 years. The Elbe tracks are a real people tracks.
ReplyDeleteBigfoot are people too douche.
DeleteActually you're both right - think of BF as just a homeless guy in the woods. Except they've been isolated from us (or any civilization) forever.
DeleteIt's not some ape-like creature, as Patterson thought.
These Tracks are a hoax. Those prints look as fake as a $3 dollar bill. You Amerifats will believe anything.
ReplyDeleteBtw i HRPuffnstuff from BFF is involved in a hoax involving a video with 2 grooming squatches?!?!? Any info on this.
You are the same lunitic on here all the time! Your boring anon 2:57! Who are u trying to change ? Not working and nobody believes your delusions and rants!
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