Elbe Trackway: Derek Randles, Cliff Barackman, Guy Edwards
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| Derek Randles, Cliff Barackman, Guy Edwards |
Above is a cool shot of three Bigfoot celebrities at the "Elbe Trackway" site discovered Monday by BFRO researcher Scott Taylor.
Here's an update from author Thom Powell about the 10 inch tracks (they're human):
Elbe trackway update: the mystery of the ten inch tracks is resolved. Apparently, Scott Taylor did his investigation of the track and the site in bare feet (!). On the other hand, Derek Randles and company did a very good job of tracing the route of the large prints and locating at least a hundred partial and complete tracks. Also, the two sets of very small tracks remain a mystery and two researchers who toured the site, Ron Moorhead and Joe Beelart are of the decided opinion that they do represent juvenile sasquatch. I'm glad I cast a bunch of them cuz it rained last night and the tracks are probably the worse for it. I'll be tossing the ten-inchers except for a few reference samples. Good lesson for everyone: Cast everything. sort it out later. and, don't investigate trackways in bare feet. :-)
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| "We documented and measured entire track base line and numbered each track." - Derek Randles |
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| "Fantastic track detail" - Derek Randles |
Has anyone said how far apart the tracks are?
ReplyDeleteCliff said on another blog they were about two and a half to three feet apart.
DeleteO.K.Thank you.
DeleteGreat find. Love the documentation of this event. Keep up the good work. Believe
ReplyDeleteCould this trackway get any faker! Now we have the info that some moron was supposedly their casting while barefoot!! Give me a break. Im sure the only reason that it was discovered in the first place was b/c they were obvious fakes and to take away the blame he came forward with his stunner that they were his tracks. Think about it. That man knew damn well all the time they were his tracks. So if this was real and he was credible, why did anyone cast his tracks? The guy admitted he was their casting his own tracks? And their is no way he wouldnt remember walking barefoot beside the tracks.
ReplyDeleteThat right their shows you that this has no credibility at all. What we have here is this guy and a friend and his children. He walks along the beach with his kids while his friend wearing the bigfoot shoes walks in big strides.
And another poster was right. If bigfoot weighs 400 plus lbs, those tracks are gonna be deep. you can look at the tracks from the shoes and see that the bigfoot tracks didnt sink that low at all. And then of course you have the obvious. In modern history their has never been any such trackway casted b/c these guys supposedly dont like to leave prints. So a whole family decides to leave tracks on a beach populated by people? If this was like an isolated lakeshore or something like that way in the backwoods then maybe. But just google the place, their are houses all around along with tons of roads in and out. These tracks are fakes that probably were made b/c of the london trackway. And it wouldnt surprise me if those were faked too.
As entertaining as finding bigfoot may be, it has sunk a nail into the coffin of bigfooting. Every kid who has spare time or adult dbag has been turned on to screaming and call blasting and banging on trees and how to make grainy fake videos, and the reaction fake tracks get. It has changed things forever, and in my eyes for the bad. Its a shame but its true. You can buy fake bigfoot feet online right now that are high quality, molded, with dermal ridges, and that flex when you walk. That may indeed be what they used in this case for the larger tracks.
But we now know its 100 percent a fake. Any guy who says he didnt remember making barefoot tracks while he walked the shoreline looking at supposed bigfoot tracks is nuts. He himself went back and cast his own tracks? are you kidding. Then others come in and question them, and all of the sudden he remembers making them. Geeze
One good thing though is that these casts will probably make their way to jeff meldrums hands. If they dont, then they were def faked. Meldrum knows his tracks and if they were faked he would probably be able to tell. Ill be interested to here is report on them, if indeed he ever sees them.
DeleteOh yeah? Loooong rant on a supposed mythical subject. LOL It's fake just how so, got any proof of that mr. pretend skeptic?
DeleteYour argument is flawed. What is a pretend skeptic? Possibly you? I believe they exist, and the proof was listed in the rant. You should read better.
DeleteYou're an idiot anon 1:22. Idk if these are real or fake but i live in the area where this occured. There are NOT tons of roads and there are NOT tons of houses. Before you decide to throw together a false theory and throw in false statements, you should probably know what you are talking about. The area has very few houses and only three main roads. there are a few side streets in the little town but everything else is logging roads and forest services roads..You should probably read the story again too. No where in there does it say he forgot he walked around barefoot. It was the other guys that didnt know. There are at least three orginizations up there investigating and they probably or doing so independantly. So check your facts douche.
DeleteLets reexamine what was said. Where did i say their are tons of houses? Their are many, its as simple as google earthing it. The tracks are faked buddy. And if you live in that area then their is a good chance your defending it because you had a hand in making it. You deuche
DeleteAnon 1:22 You are spot on with you analysis of the events. You are not going to cast your own tracks and then say " wow these are mine, duh!!!"
DeleteAnon 1:22 .... I am not Anon: my name is Joe Beelart and I live in West Linn, Oregon. Yesterday Thom Powell and I spent over five {5} hours on site. I assure you the tracks were not fake, also, tracks were deep, etc. etc. So what if it happened near people? Seems to me most finds are by people .... When we get our report together, I hope you find some time to read it. This is my third {3rd} try to post something here, so this note does not have all I wanted to post. Joe Ps: I have no problem with doubt; but, these were the real deal, even exluding the 10" ... no one talks about the 12", 8", and 6". They don't mention the wire security fence blocking the dam site, etc. etc. OR, the complete lack of human debris .... later .....
DeleteAnon 2:02 your a prick analyst! I believe boots on the ground over some idiot like you. You make assumptions and assertions by arm chairing from your computer and Google Earth! Are u freaking crazy? Do you also realize the larger the surface area of the foot in contact with the ground the more disbursed the weight? Your GED diloma probably didn't include physics! A guy with a foot surface 2.5 times smaller than the large Squatch print means if the guy weighs 200lbs than the squatch print would sink the same depth in the stratus as a 500 lb animal. I bet it's deeper because you are not looking at this print out in the field but rather on a computer screen so its possibly larger at 600+ lbs. I'm going with the researchers who devote half of all their waking hours out there and the guy who lives by the site! Nobody believes your sweaty basement chair fake analysis idiot !
Deletewell said anon4:51 this is a great find and if the man above that mad the comment that they are fake then tell me how did they make all the detail in the tracks and change the toe formation and spacing in every track for one the three men you see in the photo are all stand up guys and I have no doubt if they say that it is legit then it is.I will tell you if they say the berries are ripe bring you damn bucket. I would stake my word on that and I would never do that if for one sec. I thought it wasn't true because that is one thing I don't take lightly "A man is only as good as his word "FACT so get off you ass and out in the woods like these men do and look for yourself or don't speak badly of the ones that do
DeleteAwesome! Some of the best I've seen.
ReplyDeleteNotice the track depth in the measuring tape photo with the human boot print besides the bigfoot print. Their is a good 7 inches between the two. Notice how the perspective is forced so that it would seem they were made in the soil conditions. But that bigfoot track is around 7 inches closer to the shore than the human print. That is a big difference as far as soil consistency. Notice how deep the dog tracks go when they are at the same level as the bigfoot. Its pretty obvious that the "bigfoot" was quite light for a 400 plus lb animal, and much more human sized.
ReplyDeleteThen you have the fact that most large animals, unless drinking, dont like to walk in the thickest sloppiest mud. The keep some distance from the shore mud if walking a shoreline. But yet, a whole family of bigfoot walked in the sloppiest mud possible that would just happen to make perfect tracks? And this is in a populated area? For an animal that supposedly hides its tracks?
And now it comes forward that one set is human from the finder of the tracks who apparently forgot he was barefoot and casted his own tracks. And yet when other researchers come in and they figure it out quick that at least one set was human, he suddenly remembers its his tracks. This just reaks of B.S.
Derek Randles, in his interview with Sharon Lee, points out two things: 1) in the areas along the trackway where the BF were most exposed, the distance between prints is enormous, indicating that the BF hurried at those points; and 2) at other points, where the BF could've walked on harder ground and not left prints, the harder ground was more elevated; so the BF chose to leave prints rather than walk on ground where they would've been more exposed.
DeleteI was reading the history on the websites http://cliffbarackman.com/the-london-trackway-2/the-london-trackway/ and http://oregonsasquatchsymposium.webs.com/
ReplyDeleteSo basically, a person (Max Roy) was walking around a muddy area on a shitty day; some "unknown, mysterious cowboy hat wearing" dog walker causally said "Max there are three bigfoot prints up yonder, check them out."
Even though the sun was going down Max found three footprints with no problem.
Max Roy, coincidentally, lives (or lived) in the same neighborhood as the organizer of the Oregon Sasquatch Symposium, Toby Johnson (which coincidentally was cancelled due to low ticket sales) who was the first person contacted to "break" the story...coincidentally...and the footprints happened to be, almost in his backyard...coincidentally...
Do you believe in coincidences? I don't.
Great catch. i think that info and the whole not remembering the tracks you casted yourself were made by you seals the deal. These are fake as a tim fasano video
DeleteHere is good proof that the track pictured in the measuring tape photo is from an animal roughly the weight of the person who put down the boot print beside it. At the end of the measuring tape you will see a dog print heading towards the lake. You will also see that it is roughly in line, as far as distance from the lake, with the human boot track.
ReplyDeleteNotice how shallow that first dog paw print is compared to the next print, which is roughly at the same level in terms of the shore, as the bigfoot. Notice how much deeper that dog track is. Considerably deeper.
So what this does tell is that their is a very large difference as far as what a track impression would yield between where the bigfoot track is and where the boot track is. If the boot track was say directly behind the bigfoot track or at the same lake level, i think we would all see that it would be about the same depth. Proving that this was almost assuredly a hoax. That difference in soil condition between the bigfoot and the human track may not seem relevant, but it makes a significant difference when casting. Just pay attention to the dog prints and other tracks at the same levels. If it was a bigfoot it only weighed about what the person did who put the boot track beside it.
it is THERE not THEIR you frikin moron...
Deletewhat a doorknob
Spelling police again!
DeleteConfirmed Hoax. Guy finds bigfoot feet, then ALSO casts his OWN 10 inch feet and claims its "a juvenile?!?!?" Then gets busted and was like "lol didnt realize i was castin my own feet"??!? Is that what happened? Then this is all off the table.
ReplyDeleteMeldrum wouldnt know a real cast if it hit him on the ass. Freeman went on NATIONAL TELEVISION and admitted to hoaxing tracks, but meldrum still says his freeman tracks are the real deal.
Pffff... Buncha hoaxers, charlottans and conmen.
Hey footers!! Stop lying. Stop cheating. Stop stealing folks money.
Mental case Anon 2:01? You sound very unstable. Hey Nerd stop posting on sights you have no interest in! Only hoax is your life and your psychotic illusions!
Delete^^ you believe da hoax footer? Fine. I am nit interested in Bigfoot, because he is not real. I AM interested in dumb-azz Footerz though, I am also interested in the mechanics of scamming and hoaxing and the gullibility of the human psyche. Which is why FOOTERZ are a gold mine for me!
DeleteKeep gettin scammed Amerifat! I will keep documenting it.
Wow that statement just confirmed you are NUTS! Anon 1:26 , have you been evaluated? Funny I'm running an experiment on you and I have been following your lunatic ramblings and I never see anyone agree with you. If you do hoax I hope u get blasted by a hunter this season! Oh one less psyco nut! Look out the crazy clowns with lab coats are following you and are living under your floorboards. They are evaluating you!
DeleteWhat's a charlottan?
DeleteI'll let this thing play out - the location is ideal, near the MRNP entrance. Send the casts off to Pocatello and see what happens.
ReplyDeleteDetails on the two fisherman who found them (before Scott was involved). That would help.
These hoaxers really screw it up when real evidence is found. Immediately you are skeptic because of all the BS hoaxers put out. It is very disappointing to say the least.
ReplyDelete"Once a liar,always a liar"
Thing is, there supposedly a lot of real tracks in Meldrum's and others possession. Hasn't provided any proof but to those who already believe. Hasn't shown any real behavioral data either. Why bother even getting verified by Meldrum? It won't matter. Fo back boys and get some hair, with a follicle, and have Oxford's Dr . Sykes test the DNA for free. Anything less than DNA for him at this stage is kind of moot. He said results by Dec 2012, so there is still time. Shawn what is the status on that study? Besides Meldrum now prescreening hair as his expertise seems to have expanded recently from paleoarcheology and bipedal locomotion!
ReplyDeleteCan the serious minded please ignore the rude morons? It just gets in the way . Think of them as flies and ignore them please.
ReplyDeleteThe only flies are swarming around your taterhole. They are trying to get to your brain.
DeleteLOL,Shit fer brains!!
DeleteTracks look fake. It does not even get a comment on any of our local news stations.
ReplyDeleteDo you think the news would take any of this serious? Right. I do think they are real because some of the best in the field are there and I believe them over the computer nerds on this site who havn't spent time or energy in the woods. That number would be 47 percent nerd to hunter / researcher. Ha ha
DeleteI went to the site today. These trolls crack me up, nothing but toiletseat eighthbacks. Cant even live up to armchair quarterbacks. Anyway, the tracks are very interesting. The large ones walk through several types of soil conditions. From dried clay with sand under it to soupy mud. The best tracks are along the edge of a cut made by the river. The mud is pretty hard and took all tracks well. I stepped next to, in front of and behind several tracks. I did not sink in even close to the depth of the tracks. I was only able to get close once by bouncing up and down on one foot, driving my foot into the mud. I tried to walk the stride but it was too hard. I could by trotting though. Now I am 6'7" tall and weigh 415lbs. My chest is 62" my waist 48" with a belly in the middle, my feet are a real foot long. My shoes today were a size 16 and still smaller than the tracks. If someone faked them, it was a masterful job and I want to shake their hand. I doubt the tracks are fake. As for where it happened, Elbe is a town that you can literally throw a rock all the way through. It rolls up the sidewalks at dark. There are several farms near, but we are talking a town that is super small. The tracks are smack in the middle of an area where you can walk 20 plus miles through forestlands. Use google earth and follow the highways from Mt Rainier to Elbe to Eatonville and from Elbe to Morton. You have two main highways and some side streets to farms. This is not a city. Eatonville is closest small city large town. I have hunted this area for 20 years for one reason. It is solid forest land with minimal people. There are deer, elk, bear, cougars and every other game animal in WA found within a half mile of the trackway. Anyone who doubts me, feel free to come out. I will take your doubting butt there. The tracks are pretty beat up now from casting, but you can see them. Oh, I ran into four others all who visit site and can vouch for me. As for Scott's tracks, you better get your story straight. He didn't cast his own tracks the others did until he told them they were his. The mud is nasty and as warm as it was, I would have been barefoot too. But his tracks are no where near either the big or little. Hopefully the guys who took my pic today send them to Shawn. He can post them to show how they compare.
ReplyDeleteBig Jim Jr I have a new found respect for you. I was skeptical of you in the past , but your work and analysis is great! You live there and you actually get off your ass and get out and do your homework! Keep up the great work and Squatch on!
DeleteSo there ARE plenty of humans in the area. Did ANYONE know that you guys were footers? and... The fact that your team blatantly casted human footprints and claimed them as "juvenile", shows a complete lack of restraint and a big case of gullibility/bleeverness.
DeleteThose prints look fake as hell, boss.
You are either hoaxing, or one of your friends is hoaxing you. I would start in your own camp, but look at the person who first called attention to the prints... Thats your culpfit.
Sorry about xou never ever finding bigfoot ever.
Thanks, but I am far from a researcher or even being part of the team who did all the casting and research on the tracks. The story as I know it was a couple fishermen saw the tracks and contacted the BFRO. The BFRO send Scott out to check the tracks out. Based off what he saw, he contacted others. Because of the rather extensive amount of effort that it would have taken to hoax these, plus the area, I doubt the tracks were faked. The guys with massive amounts of knowledge have decided the tracks are real. I am too much of a rookie to make that call. Since I happen to be interested in bigfoot and I have spent time talking with people, researching on my own and such, I happen to have several of the real researchers as contacts and found out about the tracks. Being familiar with Elbe area, I went out to see for my self. You are jumping to conclusions about the small tracks. I saw one set of big tracks, two sets of very small tracks, and one set of adult human size tracks. Plus boot tracks etc from the team. No one seems to grasp the fact that if someone hoaxed these tracks, their tracks would have been right along the rest. The mud is perfect for tracks and it would be very obvious if they were faked. I can't see how someone could have done it. Trying to walk with stompers in that muck would be very tough. Getting the tracks to sink in that far would be hard. The amount of detail in the tracks would be even tougher. I can't explain it better. You would have to see it for yourself, like I did, to understand. But that means putting on clothes, taking a shower, and leaving the basement of their parent's house for most of the naysayers on here. Again, I was not part of the team, I am not affiliated with any bigfoot group, and not a expert on tracks. I am an outdoorsman, with lots of knowledge of animal tracks, the Elbe area and I work with the mentally ill. So based of what I DO know of people and such, I decided to check it out and make my own decision. Do I already lean towards bigfoot? Sure, but if you look at my posts, I am not a blind follower. If I think it is a hoax, I call it one.
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