Alex Hearn's Thoughts On Justin Smeja And Bart Cutino
Arizona Bigfoot researcher Alex Hearn had Justin Smeja and Bart Cutino on his radio show to talk about the Sierra Kills a few weeks ago (prior to Justin's polygraph examination). For those still trying to figure out if there are anymore "holes" in the story-- in the following post, Alex states his opinion and added links to the August 1st radio show:
My response to some negative comments and feelings expressed by the Bigfoot Habituation Community, or as I like to call them the Campfire people~you know the people that think Bigfoot comes and sits at the campfire and talks to them???????
We had Justin and Bart on back on Aug 1st, prior to the LDT.
If you believe the main part of the story, then any holes that follow are understandable. I'm not saying I believe his story, because I wasn't there when he pulled the trigger.
The show was an EXTRA edition and ran 2 hours and 20mins. There was time there to get to know both Justin and Bart a little personally and then get into the subject at hand
Justin and Bart were both personable and polite guests.
Justin did clarify the fact that he wasn't in his eyes at least, "bear pouching" at that time. Which I felt was unclear until that point. However I fail to ask if he normally follows the POST KILL procedure that the state of CA requires? I looked it up, there are some requirements after the kill if you think you shoot a bear. Those requirements recently changed too, possibly after the incident in 2011.
I would think even if you shoot something else besides a Black Bear you would need to follow this procedure since you are bear hunting. I think that may need some clarification.
In our interview with Justin and Bart it was announced that they have now begun the process of submitting the sample to other labs. They are still hopeful for a positive outcome from the Melba Ketchum Bigfoot Genome Study, but wanted to also have a 2nd (or more) opinion (s).
Bart explained that they have a new website and will be documenting the procedure from start to finish. As they do they will make the whole process available for the public (US) to witness. I believe he said that they are going to submit the sample to at least two more labs.
The show is in two segments since we had some Tech problems at the start with Blogtalk.
Also it's pertinent to note that Justin claims to be very remorseful for what he allegedly has done. Unlike some of the other people in the Bigfoot world (Biscardi, Dyer, etc) he does not preach that we should be killing this creature. Quite the opposite. I think you would have to classify Justin as a No-Kill person now.
His story (If true) goes a long way in showing that these creatures should not be harmed. The emotion and trauma that he explains the smaller ones were exhibiting is quite heart wrenching. Unfortunately not enough to keep him from shooting at that time. At that time the need for the kill or the trophy drove him on. It's hard to believe, but quite Ironic if true that he was too afraid after he did it to take his trophy home?
Where are the holes? You have to decide that for your self. Is the hole story a lie and thus a hoax? Is Justin being 100% truthful? If the story has any truth to it, it's probably somewhere in between. The holes meant to keep us from knowing some of the details. Reasons? Simply to keep Justin out of the legal ramifications that might follow or even just to preserve the investigation for those actually doing it, as the BFRO normally does
Part 1: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/liveparanormal/2012/08/02/the-crypto-zoo-on-wwwliveparanormalcom
Part 2: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/liveparanormal/2012/08/02/the-crypto-zoo-on-wwwliveparanormalcom-1
Lie detectors are fallible and can even be beat by people that can control their emotions. I've have always felt that I could beat one, I'm sure most feel that way, except for the guilty it's a different story then. Justin does not seem like the type of person that could beat the test on his own. However with the help of a sedative, anyone can. Polygraphs when conducted for Court/Legal purposes by the state also include a drug screening, I'm very doubtful this was done at the time of this LDT. So I don't think you can say it's a viable test.
However you can listen to Justin and Bart talk with Jeff and I for 2+ hours, then make your own decisions as to what kind of people they are.
Best Wishes,
Alex Hearn
I also don't think enough people understood the announcement that was made by Bart.
Smeja is an American hero !
ReplyDeleteTo retards yes.
DeleteThis is starting to get old. That spider article was more interesting.
ReplyDeleteYea, slow BF news. So, call AZ and have them create news for this site and hits, inclusive of the same old topics as lying, hoax, etc... et. al. Hey, what does so and so researcher have to say about Smeja or MK... Lets hear their take on very same damn 'bottle thrown, or if their was sorrow. What a bunch of crap it all is.
Deleteim going to start chasing ufo's
DeleteThat's the Spirit!
DeleteIt sounds like Alex is in the same camp as I am. I mean we could both be wrong and maybe Justin did indeed leave the bodies like he said and didn't attempt to retrieve them until much later. However, like Alex there's an unshakable belief that that Justin did take a body.
ReplyDeleteIn summary, and I've said this before: the meat and potatoes of the story is true; he did shoot 2 bipedal subjects that day.
The rest of the story (what truly happened to the bodies after) still lingers on, at least to me.
If he took a body, why would he need to convince the people in his inner circle by taking a polygraph?
DeleteThis show was kinda overlooked imo, but I was very impressed by this interview with Bart and Justin for that matter.
DeleteThis was where Bart made long announcement that him, Tyler w Smeja have all evidence in 1 or 2 independent North Am. labs currently so its unbiased. this was all based on there distrust of kethcum and they claimed they'll be releasing everything when complete regardless of results. i heard sincerity and you can't argue what they said honestly about ketchum based on her behavior .....though they hope she succeeds. you can tell though they do not like her at all!
I'll be impressed if they follow through
Smeja also talked at length about hunting with the host and obviously is no rookie as some have suggested.
Anon 3:07,
DeleteNot sure I understand what you're saying......care to elaborate?
Okay, here is the elaboration... Justin is a drunken road hunter that can only read an Atlas and probably could not spell compass.
Delete@ 4:54, At the end of the polygraph vid, Justin was saying how much of a relief to pass and now Bart et al can now truly believe him. You would think if he had a body those guys would have seen it by now.
DeleteThe doc should be fun no matter how this turns out: I imagine it will be an investigation of the claims rather then a propaganda piece trying to prove the claims are true. That is not possible, since there is no body to display. t is unlikely a body will be found which could provide a DNA sample to compare Justin's to between now and Dec.
DeleteGood catch Anon 5:06! I saw that too and it told me that Justin believes or knows Bart is or was not 100% convinced...though he makes that clear when asked. What I like is that unlike DR. Melba, Bart & his partner on this make absolutely no guarantees on evidence. that alone is refreshing
DeleteThis whole kills thing surely is a hoax. No one blowing away Sasquatch babies will live to tell the story, if these creatures are real and behave according to many reports. The shooter would be shredded, not doing the interview circuit.
ReplyDeleteThe whole kills thing is disgusting since the story is the creatures weren't threatening. Why kill them? It seems to be one long stretched-out hoax. The end result will probably be equivalent to the stupid costume-in-the-box in Palo Alto.
Why is anyone talking about this anymore? And if this person did shoot these creatures, including a baby or 'child', why would anyone give him the time of day?
--Zorro!!!
Which is it Zorro? You can't have it both ways, you call it a hoax but then go on as if your mad about what Smeja did? if true, should they waste the opportunity and every investigator should leave it alone? That's crazy and I think B Cutina has handled his role responsibly thus far.
DeleteI really like what I heard in this interview as it sounds like someone's finally taken the bull by the horns and we're going to get some type of results. I lost faith in Melba Ketchum a long time ago.
Ketchum who?
DeleteZorro,
DeleteHow do you know what would happen if someone did shoot a juvenile in front of a Sasquatch?
Second, you haven't even read or listened to the interview anyway. If you had then you'd know the only adult around was shot and dropped first. Then the juvenile was taken. You should get up to speed with the entire happenings before you post if you expect to engage in a conversation regarding the incident.
Yep, that's the problem with a lot of idiots who comment of this Sierras thing and this whole field.
DeleteHave an opinion based on the facts by all means! but when you can't even get the details straight (at least smeja has) how do you begin to even have a discussion about it? people don't want to listen and read, they just think everyone wants and can't wait hear them talk
What I find amusing is how everyone calls Ketchum crazy but not Smeja.this guy is claiming he shot two Bigfoots and didn't keep a body.This whole thing is crazy.Give your head a shake people.
ReplyDeleteKetchum said that she believes in nephilim, thereby proving conclusively that she is an idiot.
DeleteAlex mentions failing to do any drug screening, yet if this was done then how could Ro and Shawn surprise Justin? can' have it both ways unless he agreed to screen after
ReplyDelete???? Why would they have to surprise Justin? They are all friends, it was planned well ahead of time.
DeleteNo surprise to peeing in a cup???
Bart told me whole deal, Justin was surprised as he thought the polygraph coming soon was cancelled. Even Ro apparently didn't know it was happening that morning until the examiner called him back and said she could do it. Cutino wrote and passed on questions to Ro night before thinking it was just rough draft and there was time to add subtract questions. Coincidentally, Justin was in Ro's custody 24 hrs before and after test. There was no opportunity to coach or prepare Justin as that's how it went down. Cutino found out about poly after it was complete
DeleteI could only get through about half of it. Once the number of spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors gets to double figures, I begin to doubt the cogency of the opinion.
ReplyDeleteTotal shit comment! Sounds like it comes from someone with an agenda or maybe that knew Alex in the past.
DeleteIt's a Facebook post and not meant to be a piece of literature or submitted for the Pulitzer Prize.
I'm so sicvk of this shit about the lie detector test,
ReplyDelete# 1 if lie detectors so inconsistent and everyone could
beat one, why do they use them,
# 2 why would you have to be certified to use one if anyone could beat then anyone could administer one,
why, because it doesn't matter if you do it wrong or right because the person probably just beat it.
# 3 it's a lose loose for the person taking it, if the fail their full of shit, if they pass, the machine don't work and their still full of shit.
Then you have keyboard,blogtalk radio,blog, """BIGFOOT SUPER BETTER THAN ANYONE ON THE PLANET EXPERT""" saying, without even an idea how to turn the equipment on, never mind understand the test and how to correctly administer it, Say the the person who has 10 years experience, with over 800 test administered,with out ONE piece of evidence saying that she messed up other test, Then they the stupidity to say she did it wrong, Alex Hern you sir,
are one ignorant,stuuppid, son-of-a-bittcchhh !!!
Plleasse get a life, and just stick to the thing you know,like making jello,wearing out your recliner, and clicking the remote on you TV.
The JREF footers bleeved in lie detector tests when they heard Bob H passed but claim they're faulty when Smeja passed.
DeleteThat's why they're referred to as pretend skeptics, especially that lying weirdo who's pretending to have found the PG suit.
You're intentionally ignoring the part where footers claimed that polygraphs were bullshit when Bob H. passed one but they suddenly believe in them when Smeja passed one. You're a obvious hypocrite.
DeleteThe "Kitikaze" thread is dying out on the BFF,. The routine of him popping up every now and then with an evasive statement is really stale. He knows his footer history and writes pretty well, but the bottom line is that he is a liar.
DeleteWhat's “Kitikaze”?
DeleteThe test given to Bob Harmonious was give by an actual polygraph expert. That is being ignored too.
Delete^^^^^^
DeleteYah..on a tv show you idiot
@6:50
DeleteMelissa Hovey in drag but lies more.
Hey retard, you're replying at 6:26 why are you talking to some at 6:50?
DeleteWhat's Kitakaze ?
Delete@6:42
Delete^^^
Because I saw into the future and answered this 6:50 question.
Bob h lied his dumb ass off he doesn't even have the same body build as patty's much longer limbs. We know he lied because I know the species does exist, whether Smeja lied who knows but since they're real of course it could have taken place. That he left it there is in line with other shooting stories the killers fear for themselves (society or species retribution) so bodies either buried or left/hidden.
DeleteAnon@6:50-Google "Kitakaze Bigfoot Suit" and you shall find what you seek.
DeleteHeard the show on archive and had no idea prior what these guys were up to. count me in as relieved there's going to be ind. testing & transparancy!
ReplyDeleteHow about this... BF stalks forest service roads for.....wait for it.......... Road hunters.
ReplyDeleteJustin's thoughts right now.
DeleteJeannie Hobbs here - I gave Justin Smegma a Lie detector test and I now believe in Bigfoot. That old Polygraph machine has been sitting in my closet for a year, I thought I'd never get a chance to use it. My business is really taking off now, after testing Smegma. You too can be a polygraph expert, it's so easy. Just go to http://norcalpolygraph.com/polygraph_training.htm and order their "Polygraph Academy in a Box". You'll be testing Bigfoot killers in no time.
ReplyDeleteShe might have been a professional at one point, but when she helped Smeja perpetrate his hoax she really did open herself up to criticism. So keep up the good work anon 6:01.
DeleteFooters love to ignore facts that don't fit their crazy way of thinking.
DeleteLOL, Smeja passes with ease and now the examiner who works for a legitimate PI agency is Sacramento is a contributing hoaxer? God some of you people are funny
DeleteIn the same way that everyone who says that the Patterson-Gimlin film is real is a contributing hoaxer. Yes, yes she is.
DeleteOMG. She is from Sacramento! Well now, city Fathers must be in on the hoax too.
DeleteYou're a real stupid shit. She helped hoax, the city fathers didn't.
DeleteCloset footers you're getting dumber by the hour.
DeleteSays the man who believes in a mythical monster. Kill yourself dude.
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Delete"LOL, Smeja passes with ease and now the examiner who works for a legitimate PI agency is Sacramento is a contributing hoaxer? "
Yeah just take a 10 year career and throw it down the drain to help perpetrate a hoax,that is in the whole for thousands of dollars.
how stupid can people be,There is never,ever any money made from a hoax, all it does is ruin your whole life, so try some common sense, people don't wake up in the morning saying,"I got to make some money let's do a bigfoot hoax, I be a millionaire in 2 to 3 mths and it will be easy to get professional people to put the careers on the line,for this one thing need them to do,and of they'll only charge the normal rate.
I think it's funny those that point out the examiner girl, who's a PI, gave a testimonial 10 yrs ago for product with catchy marketing name. Does it not matter that she's qualified, has a top notch machine and given almost a thousand tests? It's the same thing as someone who orders training materials (from funny marketing name) leaves testimonial and then passes the real estate test, and been a successful real estate agent for 10 yrs. what's the f@%king difference?
ReplyDeleteAnswer: None, people commenting don't even know what polygraph training entails.
Anyone can be a PI, what's so special about that? You don't even need to go to school for it. Most polygraph certification is given by the state. Who is she certified by, Big Lots?
DeleteDeceit is a constant with footers. They will do whatever they have to do to promote their cause, in the name of keeping the Bigfoot myth alive.
DeleteAnonymous at 6:17
DeleteYou could say the same thing for many other jobs. In the end, it does often come down to experience. It looks like she has no problem finding business.
*6:27
DeleteGeeks, go home and blow Randi some more.
DeleteYou know with this whole Smeja thing and all of the secrecy it's almost enough to turn a long time believer into a skeptic.
ReplyDeleteDon't even think that man. The bleebers will tear you to shreds for that kind of blasphemy.
Delete^^^
DeleteYou're calling yourselves bleebers now ?
Yep, Justin Bleebers.
DeleteMore like cynic.
DeleteGnarfan, if you bothered listening to the show it's contradicting what you're claiming. Cutino said on show they are testing the right way so there is no secrecy and full transparency. He said the only things they won't share until lab determinations are made is lab names and testing updates. Makes perfect sense. After that they are releasing everything for free to public even emails back and forth with labs. If hey follow through what can you possibly complain about? They only started a few months ago
ReplyDeleteHow long should this kind of testing take?
DeleteI'm not complaining,I understand they wan't to do things right so there is no question one way or the other.I was talking to a buddy earlier and he made some good points.
Deletewe have known each other since we were kids and he is getting tired of all of this stuff.Myself I don't care one way or the other as long as things are done right.
Who the f*ck would admit to being a gnr? lol
Delete@anon- 7:38 I don't know about you but I think they should not listen or feel pressured by anybody and do things half ass.
ReplyDeletecutino said on show that they only got going recently and thoroughly explained what they're doing and what they are going to do to share including releasing all emails. if he's being sincere those emails (believe it when I see it) will have dates on them so we'll know in hindsight exactly how much time it took and if it was necessary.
i think it's good what they are doing as the alternative (bart mentioned on show) was everyone waiting for melba ketchum. that could be never!!! if you listened to the show, you'd know these guys, even smeja, never wanted testing with ketchum. bart went on clarifying their intentions for about 10 minutes on this show. worth a listen
If there is a body I think it stands to reason that it will remain hidden until the results of the DNA are released. If the DNA is revealed to be 100% human then I doubt Justin will cough up a body for obvious and possible ramifications. If the DNA proves anything else then we'll see a body...if he had the grapes to keep it.
ReplyDeleteI do not understand it all. It is over the top and so thin.
ReplyDelete"LOL, Smeja passes with ease and now the examiner who works for a legitimate PI agency is Sacramento is a contributing hoaxer? "
ReplyDeleteRight on,
just take a 10 year career and throw it down the drain to help perpetrate a hoax,that is in the whole for thousands of dollars that no one believes in the first place.
how stupid can people be,There is never,ever any money made from a hoax, all it does is ruin your whole life,reputation, persona,etc...
try some common sense for a change, people don't wake up in the morning saying,"I got to make some money, let's do a bigfoot hoax, I will be a millionaire in 2 to 3 mths and it will be easy to get professional people to put the careers on the line,for this one thing I need them to do,and they'll only charge me normal rate and won't mind if the screw up their
livelihood."
Has anybody notice that all of the known HOAXTERS out their have some sort of radio show.
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