What Happened To Timmy The Skeptic?
After battling Bigfoot believers for months on end, our favorite skeptic Timmy has finally come to his senses, or so it seems. As one of the harshest skeptics to ever visit our website, he had challenged nearly every article and sometimes it even seems like he sits around hitting the refresh button-- just waiting for a new post to pop up.
Lately, it appears that Timmy has been mellow in his responses to our articles. Although, he seemed to take pains to tone down his rhetoric, which was sometimes more inflammatory than the diatribes of other skeptics who troll this blog-- Timmy's attitude (if it's the real Timmy) has changed from: "I don't believe there is a Bigfoot" to a much more, "I'm not a believer in the actual, physical entity just yet."
We decided to followup on Timmy's most recent comments to see what led him to this sudden change of heart. If the comments are really from him, his opinion on Bigfoot changed after he was "emotionally convinced" by a friend during a recent fishing trip in Northern California. According to his comments, getting a confession from a true friend was truly humbling to him. "I came as a troll, I morphed to a hardened asshole skeptic, now I think Im a Bigfoot Agnostic," he confessed.
We decided to track down what his friend said to him that was so convincing. After a series of unTimmy-like comments, a commenter posted to the following to Timmy:
Anonymous posted on "Question To Matt Moneymaker: Why was Ostman kidnap...":
@ Timmy: I dont get you You were here for months hating and trashing Bigfoot now the logical discussion points? I'm impressed. Are you multiple people or did you just decide to stop being a prick and help us research? Why the big change? Keep it up we might let you keep playing devil's advocate ; )
Here is Timmy's response (if it's the real Timmy):
Timmy posted on "Question To Matt Moneymaker: Why was Ostman kidnap...":
I had an honest change of heart: I went fishing with a 30+ year friend, and I was joking about razzing everyone on this very website with him. We began talking about our ol' buddy Trey wih the fake feet, etc, joking about all the Bigfoot stuff.....and then as serious as can be, he says "Tim youll think Im BSing but I have seen the real deal, at Blue Lake". After hearing his story, he believes he saw two young of different ages and a mother Sasquatch. Ive known this guy since elementary school, church, families etc alll attached growing up. we have hunted and fished together for years and I KNOW He isnt lying to me, and right then I decided a lot of others here are probably sincere believers too. I may not believe, but I can always be mistaken and take it more seriously....not sure what friend saw, but it spooked him.
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my attitude completely changed, he is telling the truth 100%, one reason why I quit trolling so much about three weeks ago was because he saw something.......I honestly cant believe til I see it, and I will be looking closely now. I ALWAYS carry a SuperRedhawk Alaska edition .454 Casull in the woods, so i will never be scared but definitely will look around more. I hunt with this guy since childhood...we both know the woods....he was basically crying when he told me, and asked me to stop the jokes because he knew they were real. No way would this friend do that to me...but could he have hallucinated or something? He is used to high altitudes, familiar with the area, so its a weird touching deal for me....
To be honest, we're not entirely convinced that this is the real Timmy that we all know and love so dearly. How is it possible that such a staunched skeptic can change his position in such a short time? If we can confirm it was actually Timmy who posted the comments above, perhaps there is some truth to the theory that most skeptics who troll this site are just "closet" believers?
Well if it is an "IMPOSTER"lol,he writes just like Timmy.At any rate,I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Kudos to you Timmy,if it is the real Timmy!
ReplyDeleteTimmy only needed to be talked to as the decent human being that he really is. When people attack him of course Tim attacks back. I discussed Sasquatch with him in a reasonable way and he responded in a reasonable way. Timmy may not be a total believer but Timmy is willing to look at the evidence and to make up his own mind regarding this species. Also, if people discuss any of this stuff with him in a rational manner, Tim responds in the same way. I like and respect the Timmy I'm seeing on-line now. Timmy is a good guy when not being mistreated, as all of us usually are when being treated decently.Way to go Timmy! Major hugs to you from me...
ReplyDeleteHey everybody thanks. I gotta admit, starting out on this board reminded me of messing with the believers back in the good ol' days. I definitely came here with a chip on my shoulder. But now, after the previously mentioned confession by my friend, I am definitely closer to believing that there is something physical (as opposed to psychological) to the Bigfoot experience. My friend saw something, it affected him profoundly, and he only confessed to me after I again ridiculed believers. The point? Yes it is the "real" Timmy, me, and yes I have changed because I have been humbled by faith in a personal friend....he believes it and definitely saw SOMETHiNG.....so surely others of you have too. This guy has helped me skin out 20+ years worth of bear and deer, legally taken, and I know he knows our NorCal forests Ill continue to keep the rhetoric cool BTW, because I really want to get to the bottom of this. But yes, I do NOT currently believe in giant hominids or apes here in the PacNW...maybe undiscovered Natvie Tribes? We'll see....
DeleteEveryone here is someone's personal friend. There's a good life lesson there about ridiculing anyone when you don't truly understand where they are coming from or the details involved. Glad to see you are no longer peddling hate and bad feelings for your own amusement.
DeleteI agree with Linda, calling Timmy a trol was ridiculous, he was a skeptic who didn't take kindly to people who were offended at the idea of skepticism, I never saw him attack first. The real trolls are the people on here who attack anyone who doesn't believe or make evidence out of every bit of hear say without any kind of verification.
ReplyDeleteamen to that broheim.
DeleteAbsolutely true. Jonathan P and that nutjob conspiracy freak "James" (possibly one in the same) that believes Timmy is paid MIB immediately go on the offensive with every Timmy remark.
DeleteAnonymous 1:21:00 PM PDT:
DeleteIt's interesting that once Timmy was IDed as a paid-to-post gov't or university employee, he partly disappeared, then "changed".
It's likely that Timmy isn't Timmy and that Timmy is often Anonymous.
If you'd paid attention you'd know Timmy wasn't attacked by those people on his every post, but only on his obnoxious posts.
Judging by your misinformed and ignorant, slack-jawed, knuckle-dragging, low-down remark, it's likely you are Timmy.
Talk about a nutjob-freak:
You're their poster boy, their flagship model, the top of their class, their baton-twirler at the head of their parade.
Congratulations.
It's a good thing you're used to prancing in pink tights.
Not to mention Timmy didn't deny such associations. Anony 1:21 needs to wake up.
DeleteAgreed. Conspiracies are normal, everyday, the status quo. They aren't the exception. They are in families, friendships, on smaller scales; in businesses on larger scales; and in organisations on bigger-yet scales.
DeleteThis is normal, not exceptional. Any time two people speak privately about a third person negatively, it's conspiratorial. That happens constantly all day every day 24/7/365.
We all know this is rife in families and businesses. Jobs are destroyed every day by this low-level kind of conspiracy. Friendships and families too.
The larger the group or organisation, the greater the potential for larger conspiracies.
The government prosecutes conspiracy cases every day in courtrooms across the UK and North America, and all accept that yes, individuals are conspirators, capable of conspiracy.
But the moment someone suggests that members of any business or organisation could be involved in a conspiracy, the mentally-limited such as anon 1:21 say that person is crazy.
Why don't people such as anon 1:21 call the government and prosecutors crazy when they accuse thousands of people a year of conspiracies?
Why the double standard?
Such employees and members of organisations are special and preferred, superior people who would never indulge in conspiracy? Only private individuals would do such a thing?
I agree; 1:21 needs to get his head out of the sand.
You said Timmy was "ID'd as paid-to-post gov't or university employee". You mean you ACCUSED him of such, which hardly proves it true. Let's get that much straight. You say he didn't deny it, therefore it must be true? Did it fly over your head when Timmy suggested you get help for your obvious meth addiction?
DeleteNow, I'll use your own standard of proof (lack of denial) to yell, BINGO! I was right! You ARE both Jonathan Poulson AND "James". But sorry, I'm not Timmy (however I do agree with him that you are seriously in need of some mental help).
LOL more of the "government conspiracy/MiB/coverup" BS. Dude, I promise you, I do NOT nor would I ever work for an organization that is so totally deviant and screwed....aka the US government! Oh yeah, look at the great successes of the TSA, FDA, DEA, etc....land for the last time I do NOT believe in Bigfoot as a giant primate, so why would I cover it up? And why would I post to beg Smeja to take his "evidence" to Geraldo?
DeleteDude you are out there, and you give the government way to much credit....5 trillion in debt by end o Q4, lets blow a few buck on Bigfoot coverups!
Hey Susiq, why did you stop posting on the BFF?
ReplyDeleteshe claimed that skeptics get away with murder over there (which is untrue) any place that still allows Sasfooty to spread her garbage is NOT letting skeptics run amok
DeleteBTW, Mulder is a really bad influence on that forum, his anti-science agenda and willingness to believe ANYTHING that is paranormal and nothing that isn't is ridiculous. Have you seen that sight he promotes? it's full of crazies that bash all mainstream stuff and embrace anything unproven, wrong or strange BECAUSE it isn't accepted. It seems to me that he's blinded by some angry agenda and isn't to be believed.
DeleteHello Arizona, I miss the BFF very much, but I had to make a decision about if I could cope with some of the unkind responses I had to topics I started regarding BF sightings.
DeleteI had a sighting and I was so excited to share my experience with the BFF but the answers from the skeptics just hurt me, hurting both my heart and my feelings.
I guess I'm just not strong enough to handle the skeptics anymore. Perhaps after the journal is released I will be able to visit there again when things settle down.
I have never said that the skeptics got away with murder, just that they were sometimes thoughtless in their responses and comments, as sometimes believers are also.
What hurt the worse was when I started a topic and the first comment was "blep" and the second comment was "what she said" with an up arrow pointing up towards the "blep".
I decided then that I could not enjoy the BFF as I had for several years and I just found other places to hang out until I got involved with the Ketchum Study, which kept me busy until recently when we were all put into "waiting" mode.
I hope to go back there sometime in the future. I truly do miss the Bigfoot forum, and the people whom I truly had considered to be friends there from years of comments and ideas being shared.
Thank you for thinking of me, and for asking why I left. Hugs to you from me...
So now we're discussion whether Timmy is real or not, LOL. Timmy's lost focus, go ahead and believe your friend Timmy, but what you should be focused on is what your friend saw and whether or not that was real.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking as someone who was accused of having manlove for Timmy even before his road to damascus moment. I don't really see a change in his beleifs, only in the way he expresses them.
ReplyDeleteSkepticism is NOT a position, it IS a process, of applying techniques to information. Anyone who beleives bigfoot exists but is trying to prove it could be said to be partly skeptical in that they want to use critical thinking to establish a fact. A lot of true beleivers on here take any skeptical processing as an attack on them personally. This leads to flaming, which leads Timmy to flame back. I hope this stops...maybe it's my turn now eh?
Why is the phrase 'Livin a lie' pasted on the graphic above? Why do people here constantly say people who don't beleive in bigfoot shouldn't be here? This is not relgion, this, whether you like it or not, is a scientific (or quasi-scientific) endeavour to verify the existence of a creature or being. Therefore reason, logic and critical thinking must be applied so we can jettison evidence that is not useful or is unfounded.
Timmy understands all this I am sure. He has just found a more relaxed way of interacting so I hope mainly that he is enjoying it more. Anyway. That's all.
Gae-Rath (oh the hilarity)
That's OK, in a response above, Jonathan Poulson accused me of "prancing in pink tights" among other statements any normal person would see were written with hateful intent. The pink tights aren't entirely out the realm of possibility since I'm female, but irony is he always the first to accuse skeptics of using "bullying" tactics.
DeleteHe's a sad, delusional homophobe that says he hopes his gig here will bring him "fame and notoriety". Huh? At a bigfoot blog? Watch yer back, just sayin'.
That's not Jonathan Poulsen. Some of you people are so paranoid its borderline delusional. Take off your tin foil hat and step back into the real world. You're making the rest of us look bad.
DeleteThat's what pisses me off about the hardcore skeptics,
ReplyDeleteif they didn't see it, it didn't happen. They think
half the people are nuts,and the rest are just full of bull shit. I never saw one,heard one,smelled one etc...
but there is no way all those people are lying, they basically tell the same story. it's not in most people's nature to lie about something that will only leave a negative view of the person who is lying.
even when people talk about how they move and thier agility, it's hard to visualize a made up story
to such detail, and the stories are to similar.
I became a skeptic after seeing how easily people are led to believ in the craziest stuff, and yes partially because I have spent my life outdoors here in NorCal and never, EVER seen any of the supposed evidence. Maybe Im just unlucky....
DeleteYou are not unlucky Timmy, it is an incredibly rare event. The believers will tout 42,000+ reported sightings which sounds like a lot except that's over 100 years and the US alone has nearly 360 million people. So even if they all happened this year, that would represent 0.012% of the population. Even if there are 10x more unreported sightings, Over 99% of the population will NEVER see one in their lifetime. I saw one 25 years ago. My collective lifetime experience with Bigfoot is 10 seconds. I don't feel 'special' at all - it was literally wrong place wrong time.
DeleteI think very few encounters are intentional which is why there are many more stories than pictures, especially good ones. In my case, I was just driving home - I had no need for a camera and it happened before cellphones. But even if I had a camera it was so fast (and dark) and so shocking, there is no way I would have had time to set up for a good shot. I've spent more than 10 seconds setting up photos of a known still object! I seriously doubt your friend was 'looking' for them either.
Most encounters are purely accidental. So's its pretty crappy to condemn people for not getting good images when in all likelihood the person is shocked and ready to sh*t their pants. Next time you are at a zoo, climb into the lion or gorilla exhibit and grab a good clear close-up pic. Then you will know what it's like.
Your reaction is very common regarding rare events. For circumstances difficult to conceive that counter to what we have been taught, most people need 1st hand experience to convince them. Bigfoot was not even a thought before my encounter so I understand how you feel and I understand why the majority of people don't believe. Skepticism is good and should be strongly encouraged. But there is NO place for abusing others in skepticism, that's just ignorance. And a poor strategy for persuasion - which IS the skeptic's goal. Peace.
What is it about Bigfoot that makes you cry when your brain can't resolve to anything else? When I first saw the Patterson/Gimlin footage when I was 11 I had that reaction. Even today as an adult, if I see a photo or a pic that my brain feels is a bigfoot I get watery eyed. Is it that it is such an emotional human response to have our beliefs challenged so abruptly?
ReplyDeleteWhen I hear of someone coming to tears it always sounds authentic to me.
You're kidding...right? If you're not, you are one messed up individual.
DeleteAnd you are an idiot who hides behind a keyboard making clueless, snarky remarks...go f**k yourself :-)
DeleteIf you apply the true meaning of the word "agnostic" then being agnostic about bigfoot is the fruitiest position as that means you think because of the nature of bigfoot it is inherently unprovable (aka the interdimensional theory etc.).
ReplyDeleteI would eat a Bigfoot with a side of Bald eagle.
ReplyDeleteTimmy is real and I can prove it, I have the DNA samples and the data are amazing and beautiful, results will be made public soon...
ReplyDeleteLolz
DeleteTimmy had sex with Melba and Patty, at the same time!!!
DeleteHow typical: "Everyone is a liar or a fool unless they're my friend". Whatever. Peopl are so lame, they believe or disbeliev something based solely upown the source most of the time rather than their own research and deductive skills. It6's all out nthere, tons of it, but he had to hear it from a friend. Lame.
ReplyDeleteWhere is Timmy? He would be commenting by now. Also a good chunk of people here are the sewer rats from JREF. It breaks my heart to see all these skeptics.
ReplyDeleteDamn did they hurt your feelings?
DeleteShow you that Bigfoot does not exist?
Show you the complete lack of evidence which you certainly already knew about?
^ Nope,they didn't hurt my feelings at all. But I do have film of all the Jrefers at a secret ceremony where they carry Queen Randi on an Idol while he inserts the Golden Vibrating Butt Plug of Skepticism while all his minions are chanting "ANAL ANAL ANAL"
DeleteButt hurt much?
hahaha lol
DeleteThere's plenty of evidence for the existence of Bigfoot both footage and tracks, some or many even surely are fakes and some inconclusive but the few left are not.
DeleteI don't believe its Timmy for one reason and one reason only. The person imitating Timmy said he was "trolling". The truth is Timmy NEVER "trolled" when discussing the evidence or lack of in the articles. Sure, he got into it with people here and there. But again, when it came to debating the evidence he didn't "troll". So why he'd ever even say that proves to me that it wasn't him.
ReplyDeleteA critically thinking skeptic avoids absolutes - NEVER is a long time and difficult to validate; there are always exceptions. Like this one:
Deletehttp://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/07/mark-your-calendars-for-oklahoma.html?showComment=1342038658420#c6552395349187702030
Notice about a symposium, not Bigfoot encounter. Timmy had the 1st post - so not responding to a flame from someone else - and starts thread by insulting Oklahomans. Off-topic attack IS trolling.
The world is not black & wide - there are lots of shades of gray. And failure to recognize that leaves us vulnerable to manipulation and danger. A smart man, a Neuroscience PhD candidate killed 12 moviegoers today. Smart people aren't mass murderers, everyone knows that. A respected coach and a university president protects and allows a pedophile to continue creating one of the worst abuses of power in US collegiate history. Ordinary German citizens ignored the smell of burning flesh in their towns because they wouldn't believe their good Nazi government was exterminating people wholesale.
Certain non-belief can be just as wrong (& dangerous) as certain belief. Question everything, *especially* the things you 'know'.
Well... good observation on absolutes but FAIL in the specific debate - I was so focused on NEVER I missed the "when discussing evidence" part. So my citation is meaningless.
DeleteSo here's a better one:
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/07/skeptics-need-to-do-more-research.html?showComment=1341861095543#c2733748896092052420
Point 2 from his post: "Everyone gets into the field, or stays anonymous to hoax, thats it" - Another absolute that can't be proved and is insulting to everyone in this field who is legit in pursuit. In fact the core of his post is that Bigfoot doesn't exist because he's never seen it. Well I've never seen a cougar so they don't exist either. Same logic.
People - opinions are not facts. Facts are statements that can be verified by people not invested in the subject. Critical thinkers speak, use, and cite facts. I found his absolutes insulting and seemed selected to elicit emotional responses for people of opposing viewpoints. Thus a trolling remark. But trolling is in the eye of the reader - if you share his opinions you won't see trolling, simply facts, er opinions. So whether he trolled or not is open to interpretation. That he spoke often in absolutes is less debatable.
Yeah so what im an absolutist...and how did I insult Olklahomans by asking if Oklahoma State won the Big12 championship? I had the towns confused...Stillwell vs Stillwater.... and Ive never stepped foot in Ok.
DeleteOh yeah, and I dont believ in something YOU do, but still have educated discussions, and even toned down my attitude when posting here.
Yes sir....I am one giant a$$hole for sure. ; )
I think some of these characters are made up and actually someone else making stuff up that they know will be pushing peoples buttons. The goal would be to generate more hits for the site.
ReplyDeleteI can definitely buy that one. I was actually thinking about that when I posted the comment above yours, the one at 3:55.
Delete+ the whole "I've seen the light story" is lame. Just not buying it.
DeleteI could see it if the goal was to put Jonathan Poulson over the edge, and send him off for a nice, long visit with Nurse Ratchett. They may be Timmy imposters, but I highly doubt they've been "commissioned" by Shawn.
DeleteYou people put toooo much thought into this troll sh1t.
DeleteUNBELIEVABLE!!!!
It's crazier to say there's no such thing as a conspiracy than to 'believe' in 'too many' conspiracies.
ReplyDeleteThat is, if you are mistaken about 10 or 20% of the conspiracies you decide there is enough evidence for in order to believe them true, your error rate is only 10 to 20%.
If you believe there is no such thing as a conspiracy, your error rate is 100%.
The latter position is untenable, and frankly crazy.
The 100% error rate position is indefensible and pointless to cling to.
People who call people who realise (not believe) conspiracies exist 'nutjob conspiracy freaks' are living in a land of care bears and candy canes.
ReplyDeleteA conspiracy is ordinary and natural to human nature. It's an everyday humdrum fact of human existence. It's not an exception, that's correct. It's unexceptional.
To deny that such a normal daily human activity even exists is to live in a wonderland of sugary denial. Denying that such a natural human activity is even present in any scenario involving a group of people, is the very thinking which these scoflicks accuse 'conspiracy people' of. But as the previous poster said, their opinions are even crazier than those of the ones whom they claim are crazy! It's a case of transparent hypocrisy.
Scoflicks try to marginalise the other people, especially original thinkers, by loudly calling them nutjob freaks.
This type of scoflick, denying the existence of something so plain and run of the mill (and calling others who are aware of the existence of this plain run of the mill thing 'nutjob conspiracy freaks'), have taken a hopelessly naive stance.
The previous comment was right: Denying that conspiracy exists as a practice and act puts you in the 100% error bracket. That is, you will be wrong 100% of the time. You will never be right. If you hold that view, you can count on being incorrect 100% of the time. At least you'll be reliable and consistent, but always wrong. That view guarantees a 100% failure rate.
Why anyone would hold to such a nutty belief system of denial is beyond most of us.
Their naiveté is epic, as they wander wide-eyed through their sugary wonderland of care bears and candy canes, muttering crazily to themselves how it's those 'nutjob conspiracy freaks who are crazy, not me! Mmmm, look, a candy cane! Yummmy!'
Oh no, don't worry, you don't sound crazy at all, scoflick. You sound quite normal!
Cheer up, at least you are useful to those actually involved in conspiracies. You defend and protect them with every denial and every attack on others as 'nutjob conspiracy freaks.' They really appreciate it, I can assure you.
Good work, job well done, congratulations.
u feel better now?
DeleteThis doesn't have a damn thing to do with Bigfoot, but it does conspiracies. I'm only bringing it up because it could be very important to all people. I'm asking the reasonable people to watch what I'm recommending completely before screaming "conspiracy theory nut" or "they wouldn't do this, they couldn't get away with it" or such things. If you can't look into it first or are not interested, so be it and there is no need to attack, insult, or scream for being off topic. Only posting because if this is true, it will take mass public outcry to ever fix. And this is a popular blog. I won't post again or anything, so if you don't care or don't like this, please just ignore. I suffer with this so it is important to me. Again, at least watch the entire thing before condemning.
DeleteThe video is called "Cancer: The Forbidden Cures" and you can watch it on youtube. My apologies for intruding with this here. I am just hoping to get people to look into it. By the way, the video fails to mention that Dr. Max Gerson was likely murdered with arsenic. If you want to learn more, look into Dr. Burzynski in Houston TX and what was done to him, all documented. There's plenty more.
Thanks and please don't get too mad. I just want to find out if there is truth to this or not by thoroughly researching it and getting other intelligent people to really look into it, not just dismiss it out of hand. Again, ignore if you don't want to see what it is about, but I'm not going to post this here again or argue with anyone, so it is just a one time plea and I realize it isn't the place to debate it. Just trying to get the information looked into a little by the public. I have the disease, and I had no idea that any of this had ever happened. Apologies again, and I hope you will forgive the one time intrusion and not feel the need to be mean.
Looking great work dear, I really appreciated to you on this quality work.
ReplyDeletethese tips may help me for future.