To Kill or Not to Kill? The great Bigfoot divide



Thanks to Scott McMan (GhostTheory.com) for blowing the lid off this thing. Trust us on this, Scott has more to tell, but he ain't tellin' until he gets a clear-signal. From what we gathered the finger pointing has already begun!

Yesterday, we posted an article about the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy group's involvement with a recent Bigfoot shooting. As far as we know, it's uncertain if they killed anything or anyone. You can read up on it by clicking here.

What happened on that night in July raised many questions. It has prompted countless discussions on whether or not it's right to kill an unknown species for the sake of science. Many feel that a specimen must be taken to further the study of sasquai (this is a real word) species. Others who have distanced themselves from this "pro-kill" idea say they are "pro-proof" and believe there are better, more responsible ways to go about trying to obtain a specimen, preferably a live one.

Ontario Wildlife Field Researcher Timothy D Ervick says, although he's pro-proof, this doesn't nesseccarily mean he's pro-kill. "I'm a Pro-proof researcher not necessarily a pro kill one, but what I've seen lately is manic hunters unloading into what they think is a Bigfoot. Not what they 'know' to be. Someone is going to get killed. Those kid's are very lucky. Every hunter in a Ghillie suit is a target when it comes to researchers with gun," Ervick said.

"Manic hunters have no place in the bush," he said.

Others suggested tranquilizing the creature. The problem with tranquilizing is that tranquilizers are tricky. Many wild game animal has been killed by tranquilizers even when administered by professionals under controlled conditions in measured quantities generally known to work on certain sizes and species of wildlife. Incorrect doses of sedative tranquilizer could be deadly, especially if the weight of the Bigfoot creature is unknown.

Here's a recent article by John D from meetstheweird.com posted on October 26. In it, he writes about the Honobia, Oklahoma Bigfoot shooting incident that took place in July 2011 on Charles Branson's property:

There has been a bit of a flap going on in the Bigfoot hunting community regarding a research opening fire on a Sasquatch during a field investigation. While I want to come back to the particular incident later, this event has served to cast a spotlight on an issue that divides the Bigfoot research community. On one side, you have the no-kill researchers who are completely opposed to any attempt to kill a Sasquatch. Other researchers, however, feel that a specimen must be taken to further the study of the creature. Looking at this one issue, the two groups couldn’t seem to be any more different in their goals, but they both want the same thing. Both pro-kill and no-kill researchers ultimately want to protect the Sasquatch and their habitat.

While no-kill research is important to understanding Sasquatch and how it lives, ultimately a specimen will have to be taken to have the species formally classified and accepted by the mainstream scientific community. While unfortunate, this is the process by which new species are identified. Without formal identification there is no way that Sasquatch or its habitat will have any hope of receiving protection under the law. Especially considering that protecting Bigfoot, in its natural habitat, will have a significant impact on the multi-billion dollar lumber industry. There can be no controversy regarding the existence of Sasquatch that could be leveraged by the lumber industry to limit or prevent habitat preservation efforts. As saddening as the unnatural death of a Bigfoot would be, the simple fact is that its sacrifice would benefit the rest of its species.

That being said, I hardly think that every Sasquatch researcher that sets foot in the woods should head out looking to bag a Bigfoot. If a Bigfoot is taken, it needs to be done humanely as possible AND in a way that allows the scientific community a viable sample to be used for classification. Ideally, a team looking to collect a Sasquatch specimen should include an experienced marksman/hunter armed with a weapon that will allow a clean kill with minimal tissue damage. The last thing Bigfoot and the Bigfoot research community needs is an animal being taken in a way that makes its remains useless. That would be a horrific waste and is inexcusable. Additionally, if an expedition intends to take a sample for classification they need to be very clear of their intentions with whomever is granting them access to the property they are hunting on. If a landowner does not want a Sasquatch killed on their property for whatever reason, that is well within their rights. Ignoring this would endanger all Bigfoot research as private land owners may become less likely to allow any researcher on their land for fear of it being turned into a shooting gallery in spite of their wishes.

This brings us back to the incident in question. This past July a team member performing an investigation with Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy opened fire on a Sasquatch while on the land of one Charles Branson. While this particular event has become somewhat of a black-eye for the Bigfoot community, there is quite a bit that can be taken away from it for future expeditions. Foremost, it would seem that Mr. Branson was unaware of the groups intent to take a specimen for analysis. Had the group been upfront about their intentions, Mr. Branson could have easily either rescinded his permission to access his property or made clear that agreeing to not harm any Sasquatch was required to access his property. Secondly, according to the account released by TBRC the individual who opened fire on the Bigfoot with a shotgun, “firing all the rounds in rapid succession”. The landowner’s nephew was on the property at the time of the shooting and he believed the gunfire he heard to have been from a “machine gun”. Ignoring any other issues (including possible safety implications), witness reports like this paint Bigfoot hunters who would like to collect a specimen in a bad light, making them out to be crazed Yosemite Sam types who would shoot down a whole forest in the hopes of hitting a bigfoot. Hopefully the community as a whole can learn from the mistakes made by the TBRC team and move forward better prepared to secure the future of the Sasquatch species.

Ultimately, it is up to each individual Bigfoot researcher to decide whether they want to be involved with the potential killing of a Sasquatch. It is perfectly fine for a researcher to decide that they want to focus their research on observing Bigfoot in their natural habitat without doing any harm to the creatures. Hopefully researchers who make this choice will acknowledge the benefit collecting a Sasquatch specimen will bring to the field and not attempt to prevent that from happening. Ultimately, this misguided “protection” could end up hurting the entire Bigfoot population. On the same token, researchers who choose to attempt collecting a Sasquatch specimen need to ensure they conduct themselves in the most professional manor and are beyond reproach in their methods or they risk damaging no only their own reputation, but the reputation of the entire community as well.

[via: www.meetstheweird.com]

Comments

  1. Great post! I think when it comes down to it, treat BF like a human. Shoot only if you're life is in danger. If you shoot anything without a license, you're basically not hunting, you're murdering.

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  2. I agree Sharon. Shooting a possible Bigfoot is akin to murder pure and simple.

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    1. dat not mista bigfoot, dat my uncle pimp. he be wearing a fury coat. he pimpin da great outdoors!!!!

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  3. I am,and will remain in the no-kill camp.For someone to say I am misguided is an insult and is an attempt to marginalize my opinion.
    Bigfoot has existed this long without official recognition and will continue to do so.
    The only thing Bigfoot needs protecting from are humans.
    Which Bigfoot advocate has deeper pockets than the logging or oil/gas industry??More than likely,none.
    How many species enjoy habitat protection?Please exclude endangered species and national parks.
    Politicians are self serving back scratchers and spineless.I couldn't see them protecting anything unless Greenpeace rammed a huge ship up their butts.
    The TBRC member who fired the shotgun acted carelessly to say the least.It was stupid and he's lucky nobody was killed.
    The more I read on the big players in this field,the more I'm convinced it's all about money and having their name in Latin.
    If I'm ever so lucky to see one in the wild,that would be enough for me.Until then I hope the Bigfoot continue to remain elusive.

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    1. yes, dat were close. my uncle said da bullet just missed da feather in his hat. be careful sucka!!!

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  4. I can't imagine the screaming a Squatch would make from getting blasted. it would be horrible. How does Justin sleep at night?

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  5. Speaking of Justin again, think of this.
    When they did go back to the shooting site, what if they did find a body? Maybe it wasn't just a "steak" they found? Maybe they do have two complete specimens? Do u really think justin would have to be this tighted lip about a "steak". Randles/erickson/ketchum could have easily just bought that "steak off him", said thanks, and end of story. They would never have to tell him anything. The fact that he has seemed to become a part of this, is making me think they have full bodies. He was a no one, other than a guy with a piece of apparent bigfoot dna. But, now he's a someone?

    Now if they do have bodies, why would they tell us. Can u imagine the frenzy of media it would create (again). They don't want that. They want to finish their study/project off as best as they can. They want to make sure the right people are involved. Nat Geo? Nature? This is massive.

    Because they have been so tight lipped about everything, makes me think they fabricated a story about what happened after the shootings, to take some heat off, so can finalize their research.

    Just a thought.

    Thanks
    Paul

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  6. I'm with the late Dr. Grover Krantz on this one. Kill one. No other evidence will convince the world. Trying to collect any other type of evidence is a waste of time. Nothing but a dead body will convince the world of their existence.

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  7. The world does not need to know about these creatures. They are safer right now, while they are dismissed as imaginary.

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  8. If the world does not need to know about these creatures, why are so many people trying to find evidence?

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  9. The fact of the matter is, that if Sasquatch is recognized by mainstream scientific community it will be protected by law, most likely the Endangered Species Act (like most other non-human primates). Once that occurs, the amount of money the lumber industry has is irrelevant as the industry would be forced to work with the federal government to develop conservation plans. (Also it would keep jackasses with shotguns from opening up on anything they think is a Bigfoot just to make a name for themselves, as well as prevent other invasive "study".) Unfortunately, the only way that can happen is if there is completely irrefutable proof of its existence. Ignoring the mainstream media and general public concept of proof, scientific standards require a specimen to be taken to formally classify ANY new species.

    Not seeking formal classification is the WORST thing the Bigfoot research community can do. The human population is growing with no sign of stopping and we keep pushing deeper and deeper into wild land. Unless Sasquatch are protected now, while they still have a habitat, by the time they are "discovered" it could be too late. Bigfoot may have done fine on its own up until now, but if you haven't happened to notice we are an incredibly destructive species. While some of us can be trusted to do the right thing, the rest need to be forced to by the law. The system may suck, but it has worked for the grey wolf, Virginia northern flying squirrel and every other species that has been delisted.

    As heart-braking as it would be to see, I would rather sacrifice a few animals to save the entire species instead of sticking my head in the sand and hoping for the best. I am sure that given the choice between profit and protecting a species that no one thinks exists, the lumber companies and land developers will choose to do the right thing on their own.

    For what its worth, I honestly wish there was a way for a new species to be classified without having to kill a sample. It's not something that I could ever bring myself to do. I only hope that if someone does take a Sasquatch, they have the experience and self control to only do it when they can make it as quick and painless as possible instead of some moron who can't hit something that large, that is that close and only stops trying to hit it when they run out of ammo. (I completely agree that the TBRC shooter WAS lucky no-one was hurt. That sort of carelessness with a firearm has no place in research or anywhere else).

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  10. I agree with DesertBigfootSteve the world does not need to know and they are safer. Let look at our record of species that have been killed off or almost killed off. Lets see buffalo, brown and black bears, coyotes, wolves, tigers and so many more. How many trophies are there in a hunters home? If the the human species can prove the are not imaginary how many are going to be shoot and stuffed like bears just to prove they are a big game hunter? As I can see the more people go out to look for them the more they will hide. And the more that are shot at Bigfoot will look at us as a danger and will either hide more or turn aggressive to protect them selves. If they are as smart as it has been proven they will learn a man with a gun means danger watch out. I think the should be a protected species even before we prove that they are real just to protect them from man.

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  11. Hey everyone!

    Yes, there has been several questions posed this week regarding the shooting incident, the controversy on kill/no kill, and the theories on bigfoot being a day or night creature. There are also lots of other inquiries flying around.

    I have been in contact with certain individuals who have shared some critical and revealing data with me regarding all that's mentioned above.

    I am now negotiating to write an article but much of what's been shared is very sensitive and minds have not been made up regarding what can and can't be revealed.

    I am being trusted to hold information back from public consumption and as long as that is the wish of my contacts, I will honor that request.

    As much as I'd love to share everything with you all, I have to maintain my integrity and respect my sources.

    My apologies if this isn't what you wanted to hear as this info may never come out.

    I'll do my very best to satisfy everyone.

    Thanks!

    Scott McMan
    Ghosttheory.com

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  12. "...this info may never come out." Really? Not surprising. This just confirms that this story is a typical pile of bigfoot scat.

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  13. Decades of collecting "evidence" has done nothing. Kill or capture one. Forget the rest. Prints, photos, footage, scat, DNA, thermal imaging, vocal recordings, hair samples, etc. are ALL A USELESS WASTE OF TIME. They will only convince those who believe anyway. If sasquatches exist, there must be a way to kill or capture one. As the poster indicated above, Dr. Grover Krantz was right on about this. In his book, Krantz even suggested ways in which a sasquatch might be taken out.

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  14. Has anyone tried to capture a sasquatch with a pit trap? Dig a deep pit, cover it up, and then play a looped recording of wood knocks over the pit for days on end or use some other type of bait to lure one in. Has anyone tried something like this?

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  15. Air rifle and soporific dart, that's enough.

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