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If you think Bionic Bigfoot doesn't fit the bill of true costume technology for the day, fare enough. Name one Hollywood Bigfoot that was a good example of available technology. Hell, name only one cryptic monster of any film made in the 70's that shocked the world.Patty not included ;)
All 954 frames and 59.5 seconds of unedited happenstance.Bionic Peace Everyone!
"Bigfoot is hairy. In fact, thick tufts of hair are Hollywood’s favorite hat-trick for a host of monsters, being the first line of defense against telltale seams and zippers on any part of the costume. There are two strategies for giving a hairless man his own fur coat. The most often used involves a pre-produced fur suit that acts like a set of zippered pajamas. The infamous sasquatch episodes of The Six Million Dollar Man in the late 1970’s used this method to a fault. The producers scored a coup by casting seven-foot-tall wrestling legend Andre the Giant in the role of the ape-man (Fig. 1). Andre was given a fur suit to cover every inch of his body. Now whereas this METHOD IS PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR, it is also the most transparent, as a set of furry PJs acts as any other article of clothing would during action scenes: bunching up and wrinkling in all the most inconvenient and visible locations. There are several instances in The Six Million Dollar Man battle, where wrinkles in Andre’s suit are glaringly apparent whenever he jumps (made all the more noticeable by the excessive slowmotion used throughout the scene to emphasize superhuman strength), and embarrassingly “jiggles” as the suit transfers its momentum from one side to another. With no connection in the suit to the man underneath, there is no support system to avoid these problems. Hence, the second method for bestowing fur.To avoid the problem of wrinkles, it is sometimes applied in form-fitting pieces, i.e., separate units that wrap around the arms and legs individually with no connection to each other. THIS WAS THE SAME METHOD used by George Lucas in his Star Wars movies for his Chewbacca creation, and is the better (and more expensive) of the two methods (Fig. 2). If the pieces are not connected to each other, energy cannot be transferred, and at no point in any of the four movies in which Wookies appear, does Chewbacca ever suffer from an attack of the “jiggles,” or wrinkles of any kind. However, while this solution solves one problem, it unfortunately creates another one - - seams.""In fact, the film subject (PGF) reveals a greatcontrast to both Andre (Bionic Man) and Chewbacca insofar as the hair on its neck and shoulders is identical to the hair everywhere else, which lies flat against the body. The head/shoulder connection is perfectly visible and there is no excessive hair at all to obscure the smooth shoulders and back. This is not standard procedure, thick reams of heavy hair being the tool of choice to conceal pesky wrinkles and bubbles in the neckline. In Planet of the Apes for example, every ape involved, females included, have long 3-4-inch beards (Fig. 4). And if that was not enough, high collars for good measure. The result is a neckline 100% obscured. Looking to Harry and the Hendersons, and The Six Million Dollar Man, this is clearly the accepted and most popular method (NOTE FROM IKTOMI, BOTH ALLEGEDLY CONTRASTING BUDGETS USING THE MOST COMMONLY USED METHOD OF SFX AVAILABLE) as they both have hair along the neck at least twice as long as anywhere else on the body, completely hiding any neck seams (Fig. 5).If the P-G film was indeed faked, one must ask why the pioneering technique for disguising seams without lengthened hair has not filtered throughout the Hollywood industry in the ensuing 40 years."
"Now it is a common misconception that George Lucas has always been rolling up to his eyeballs in cash, but truth be told, in 1976 during Star Wars filming, he was counting his nickels and dimes, always short of money, recycling props and sets to stretch his dollar, and even begging 20th Century Fox for more money for one last week of shooting to ensure he did not end up with cheesy aliens (and got current master, Rick Baker, to make him good aliens, with Baker himself as one of the musicians in the cantina band). He did not have infinite money to throw at his costume troubles, but nevertheless, Chewbacca was top of his list of priorities. Chewbacca had to look like anything except a guy in a monkey suit, and Lucas’s costume creators pulled out all the tricks;Problem: Despite being an alien, Chewbacca has five fingers, coincidentally, like every other human in the movie.Solution: You never see his fingers. Chewbacca’s hands are irrevocably obscured by excessively long and tangled tuffs of hair. The actor might even be wearing pink and yellow mittens for all the audience can tell. His hands are completely obscured, and it is no accident.Problem: Costume is put on in pieces, leaving seams everywhere.Solution: Chewbacca does not have a single hair under 8 inches in length. It hangs off his forearms, off his wrists, around his ankles, down his back, everywhere. Try to find some open skin, they were very careful to ensure that you would see none. All the seams are carefully obscured and it only took about 10 pounds of extra hair. It is cheap after all.Problem: The head is a solid unit with springs and supports to give the actor control over facial functions, which has to blend with the flimsy "rug" nature of the rest of the outfit.Solution: Did I say hair? I meant a mop. The hair along the rim of the Chewbacca helmet is easily another 3 inches longer than anywhere else. It comes down far enough to easily blend in with the shoulders, leaving our Wookie with no neck whatsoever. So much the better, as necks only give us wrinkles and make monsters look like humans in masks. Hair is also on top, giving our actor another inch or two in height."(So you see, it appears that the readily available methods used across Hollywood in the 1970's were shared in both the Bionic Man and Star Wars. Please see image 104 of the link provided;http://www.isu.edu/rhi/pdf/Keith_rev.pdf... For a comparison shot of the Chewie costume that looks identical to the Bionic Man Bigfoot costume. And now... To what an indisputably MASSIVE Hollywood budget can achieve... With an indisputably MASSIVE SFX artist... )
"The actor for the 1976 King Kong is uncredited, but that is indeed Rick Baker under the suit (a mere year before he would appear wearing an alien mask as one of the musicians in the infamous Cantina sequence in the original Star Wars). Whatever his later feelings on King Kong, Baker did give the job every effort using all the 1970's technology at his disposal. His hairy ape was as anatomically correct as possible, with fake ape extendo arms that stretched his human arms to ape-like proportions. Baker did the best he could with these arms, but extendo arms have a very serious drawback -- they do not move. The wrists, the hands, and the fingers are all frozen in place.This leads to unintentionally hilarious sequences inside King Kong where a very enthusiastic Rick Baker has to make his Kong look as primate ferocious as possible by thumping his chest -- with hands that are stiffly open. Apparently under cost constraints to build only one set of fake extendo hands, Baker had to build a pair that was multi- purpose, neither entirely opened or closed, but a compromise between the two.The state of the hands is readily apparent during the sequence when Kong has to break down the gate to the native village. Although the sound effects were clearly in Kong’s favor, granting him huge booms and crashes as he hit the gate with blow after blow. But a careful viewing shows that never once does Kong actually make a fist, instead the wall is battered with half-open hands with half-clenched fingers. And in the first shots the hands don’t even impact the wall at all, the point of impact being mid forearm, the junction under the costume where Baker’s real fists were gripping the extendo arms. And after the first few hits, his hands are not seen again in any shot.In the course of the storyline, there were a few plot points that did make it absolutely essential for a Kong with working hands, such as a fight with a giant snake and the upheaval of a giant log, and for those scenes Baker did wear a standard issue fur suit with furry gloves. Whereas he did regain the use of his hands for those sequences, a careful measurement shows that his carefully constructed ape-man proportions fly right out the window. Kong’s arm proportions depend entirely upon which part of the movie one happens to be watching.The P-G film creates another pair of challenges here. First, not only are the upper limbs disproportionately long by human standards, the length is not achieved by merely elongating the forearm. In other words, the upper arm is elongated as well -- her elbow is in the proper position. Second, her wrist and hands are also seen to be moving. No explanation for this has ever been offered by the debunkers."(Also... You might want to check out this; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkxy5S1GJU... You'll notice Baker's costume's back has nothing of the muscle mass detail that Patty possesses, this ten years later with a genuinely massive Hollywood budget;http://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/p-g44-buresh/... Are we to believe that, Rick Baker "wasn't trying his best" either?)
Get well soon iktomi
Now that we've put that to bed... How about them "obvious Patty costume anomalies"?
In your mind of a super duper awesome bigfoot investigator on the verge of discovering something that the scientific community overlooked, sure, you put it to bed.In reality though zero bigfoots is still very much zero bigfoots.
Would you like milk and cookies before you're retired? Plenty found;http://youtu.be/cR2cREt95sUhttp://youtu.be/luue2Mv_VNMhttp://youtu.be/lOxuRIfFs0whttp://youtu.be/l96zvON3Rk8http://youtu.be/xI8gcikwUEQhttp://youtu.be/BfuWuhEa3yIhttp://youtu.be/ZlMQ9b2lnE4http://youtu.be/h4QcYdT6keQhttp://youtu.be/cjEWDkcqjXI... None caught.
None found you mean.
Would you like the definition of "found" again?
Would you like definition of bigfoot dont exist again?
... With a fallacy ridden circular logic? No thanks... I'm slightly cleverer than that.
Noone can claim to be clever while believing in mythical monsters.
They can when for all their time spent interested in them, they can reference physical evidence for their existence. What have you got for your time spent?
Hours of side spliting "you cant make this up" comedy.Again with the physical evidence. There is none, hence no confirmed bigfoots.
Still beating that ridiculous bionic man bigfoot drum? That is sad, actually.How do you know it was their best effort? Maybe they were just being tongue in cheek playful with it? I mean, that is your claim when it comes to the USAF Washington Atlas, correct? You claim to know what their intentions were with the comments on the bigfoot entry? Why is it not possible that the bionic man bigfoot costume was meant to be playful, and not serious? Either way, how much did they spend on that costume? Oh, you don't know? Then you should really stop beating this particular drum, it makes you look silly.
"Why is it not possible that the bionic man bigfoot costume was meant to be playful, and not serious?"... Don, if you didn't notice, the SFX methods used to make the Bionic Man Bigfoot costume were exactly the same as those used to make Chewbacca in Star Wars? Didn't you claim yesterday that Chewie was a better costume than Patty? The consistency across your contradicted examples of "poor and good costumes" lends to the idea that these were merely the available methods in the 1970's for costume, regardless of how much was spent on them. I think you missed the boat there, eh Don? Was George Lucas uninterested in making a good costume as well? It all gets rather unlikely really, doesn't it? And should anyone claim that better SFX artists were bettering these methods in the 1970's, I made sure I demonstrated how Rick Baker didn't manage to imitate the realism of muscle tone and bending fingers, ten years after the PGF, with more modern tech and a indisputable budget. Any more special pleading?
7:21... If you didn't know, track impressions are physical evidence... "Science is founded on the premise that we exist in a rational reality and from this premise it follows that every scientific belief can and should be based on evidence, otherwise it is not science. To be completely clear as to what is science it can be defined in one simple sentence; science is the unbiased effort to understand reality based on the observable physical evidence."
The bionic man bigfoot is laughable. It has black grease pain on the face. You are actually arguing that as much effort and money went into that as did Chewbacca? Wow, you are desperate for anything, aren't you?
Track impressions are just that--impressions in the ground. They are evidence that something made that impression, for sure. What is debatabe--particularly in the case of bigfoot or any other cryptid--is what actually made the impression. We have opinion and conjecture in that regard, but no proof. There is no live or dead bigfoot foot to study and further validate the claim that a bigfoot made the track. Essentially, track analysis, minus a specimen, is pretty much at a stand still. DNA may help with this, however. We can now extract DNA from polar bear tracks and identify the individual bear that made the track from the DNA. It helps that polar bears actually exist, however.
The difference between the bionic man and Chewie is there is no mask... The costume is essentially exactly the same... You can even take a look if you like in the conprative photos in the links provided. To hoax convincing biological dermals that are primate in origin but different enough to have species traits across samples, one would have to have a knowledge of all human primate and non-human primate dermals (that not many people on the planet do), and then have less than a lottery win's chance of faking the exact same biological idea, place these impressions in the middle of nowhere and somehow predict to the exact yard out of miles and miles of wilderness that they'll be found, and THEN fool multiple forensic experts. This requires a major leap of faith. They are evidence that a currenlty unclassified bipedal primate left them... There are plenty of primate species traits to compare these to, and though it is not proof that Sasquatch exists, it is proof that something that has the same reported foot morphology is walking around the wilderness of the US.I've gotta pop out... Laters!
Hillary already got 1 - Huma Abedin ...
Guess Dmaker isn't voting for Hilary because he doesn't believe her running mate exists . He strikes me more of a Trump person Joe
I would never vote for Trump. Besides, I'm Canadian.
Joe, you can put up all the appeals to your personal credulity that you like, but it does not change the fact that the tracks you mention have not produced the being that made them. You may find this or that unlikely, but until proven they will remain undetermined, whether you like it or not. Bigfoot track studies need a glass slipper to fit on to the bigfoot specimen foot. Until that happens, everything is speculation. Joe may claim tracks to be evidence of an unclassified primate, but that is simply not true. That is getting too far ahead where a claim can be conclusively made at this point. He knows that, but will persists in jumping the gun anyway.
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Don... It matters not. Evidence does get acknowledged at conclusion. Tacks = dermals = unclassified species = research & tracking = locate speciesThis is what happened with the Bili Ape that I offered as an example the other day. You don't throw evidence as profound as species traits out because you haven't got the species to go with them... That goes against every process of developing scientific research in history. That is the current state of evidence, having research in it's earliest of stages, it is not getting too far ahead. Researchers merely need to chase this evidence up and find the primate that fits those tracks.
Here is Johnson's take on the special effects from page 57 of the book:When Johnson did the show, he tried to keep it as down-to-earth as possible. Even his bionic Bigfoot episodes of the Six Million Dollar Man were about as far as you could push the envelope. But no further, or else it would have become fatuous, and Johnson claims to be a great disbeliever in silly.
Great little find NC!
All the cut n` paste has given Joe a headache.
I believe they were making serious bank by the time the Bigfoot episodes came around. Off of merchandising and the like, and the show had won numerous awards. https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Herbie_J_Pilato_The_ Bionic_Book_Reconstructed?id=RYJKCgAAQHell, they were even paying a consultant $1000 per week and they didn't even use him. It's actually a pretty decent read.
"Researchers merely need to chase this evidence up and find the primate that fits those tracks."That is a large "merely".
Bless ya NC!!! And thanks for the link to that RHI essay.
It's MERELY being objective to the process... I didn't say it would be easy.
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*evidence DOESN'T get acknowledged at conclusion.
That is a rather open statement. What do you mean by acknowledged, exactly? You may present something as evidence of something and I may acknowledge it, but I cannot confirm it as what you say it is without testing and an ability to confirm it. You cannot confirm the trackway of an unclassified species without a specimen of that species.
Meaning, the evidence does not stop being considered until it's conclusive stage of research is achieved... Because you use that research to come to a conclusion. Pretty standard thinking scientifically. You test it with other primate species and forensics. Simples.
I never said discard it or stop considering it, I said stop claiming it to be something it has not been confirmed yet to be. Or change your terminology to better reflect the putative nature of this evidence.
^ I`m just not capable of understanding such fundamentally logical remarks.Joe
Don... But it's been confirmed to have come from a living breath if creature that has its own species traits, do you see? What that's left us with is physical evidence of a bipedal without classification. Though a wonderfully ideal world... You don't get a specimen and then match up the evidence, you use the evidence to track the specimen. It's how following the bread crumbs of evidence works and has done since the beginning of time in science.
Joe, it has not been confirmed anything of the sort.
To be confirmed, then any ambiguity must be removed. Without a specimen, you simply cannot do that with tracks. Especially since there exists a history of hoaxed tracks and even experts being fooled by supposed traits. Add that to the lack of a specimen, and it truly boggles my mind how you can assert that tracks are "confirmed". To confirm something, you determine the truth of it. That is simply not possible at this point. Tracks remain putative bigfoot evidence at this point. You can reject this simple fact all you want, it won't change a thing.
The ambiguity is the where-abouts of the specimen... Because we have physical evidence of it that hasn't been tested and not shown to bunk. It stands. Hoaxed tracks do not equate to genuine examples being discounted... That is a supression of evidence fallacy. Evidence has been falsified in any scientific or judiciary arena, yet there is no question that genuine evidence has passed through those systems. Experts being fooled is slightly irrelevant... You could fool any wildlife biologist with fake tracks, nobody's hoaxing them though and even if they did, would it be worth hearing about (I believe there was a case of hoaxed tiger tracks somewhere a few years back?)You use tracks confirmed to be of a new, unclassified primate... And then track the primate. Just like they did with the Bili Ape. It took a year to track the Bili Ape... They didn't have to find the Bili Ape to be concerned whether the tracks samples and reports were genuine (though it took quite a while at first).
The Bili ape is a chimpanzee. Not too difficult to look and tracks and say these came from a chimpanzee, albeit a large one. Bigfoot is not known to exist. Nor has anyone demonstrated that any unclassified primate is lurking around North America. You simply cannot conclusively connect tracks to a creature that has not even been proven to exist. Particularly a cryptid like bigfoot that has no real evidence to point to. You're engaging in fanciful speculation. Nothing more.
They are in fact human sized chimps, Don. These tracks however come from a human primate... Albeit a large one. This is what has been determined to be lurking around. To test this, you would use forensic evidence to show that species traits cannot be hoaxed, and there are identical traits across samples from States and decades apart. Bigfoot is not known to exist, but something is leaving large footprints in the middle of nowhere, footprints that are genuine because there are genuine species traits of an unclassified primate. This is real evidence;"Real evidence, material evidence, or physical evidence is any material object that plays some actual role in the matter that gave rise to the litigation, introduced in a trial, intended to prove a fact in issue based on the object's demonstrable physical characteristics. Physical evidence can conceivably include all or part of any object. Trace evidence, such as fingerprints, glove prints and firearm residue, is also a type of real evidence.""You simply cannot conclusively connect tracks to a creature that has not even been proven to exist."... Yes you can, because that's what they did with the Bili Ape.
There is no room to speculate when you have repeatably testable data... And that's tracks and dermals across samples.
it's because all the thousands of witnesses are either lying or are confused with three legged bears walking on their hind legs and the many prints found in remote places must have been put there by hoaxers and not to mention all the countless hoaxers who were around hundreds of years ago fooling all the natives into thinking their was a race of hairy men living in the forests . We are not talking about unicorns or leprechauns , those are the products of either imagination or too many pints or something harder. C'mon Dmaker, deep down inside you believe but you like playing the smart arse on here and giving Iktomi a hard timeJoe
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Ummmmmm it makes me laugh xx
Nothing wrong with that :D
I'm just fine and dandy, thanks. : p
Hey Iktomi, hope all is well my friend.
Hey buddy! All's well here man! The anon is trying to be clever, t'is all.
Vegas our prayers are with his family at this time
Get special pleading... It's comedy gold.
get well soon anon. I know it takes time to recover from the lobotomy you just hadJoe
^ still recovering
^ guess it didn't work out for ya anon. Maybe next time kiddoJoe
^ Likes to smell other men`s farts.
^ gets turned on big time by writing about men smelling other men's fartsJoe
Why are you promoting Rictor's crap? Is it possible for you idiots to waste more of our time?
should we promote your crap instead ?Do you have any noteworthy crap you'd like to share on here ?Joe
^^Bad case of resting bitch face.^^
"Is it possible for you idiots to waste more of our time?"Probably. What number am I thinking of right now?
it's actually a case of resting bigfoot face but since you clowns don't believe than it should not bother you Joe
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You're thinking of 656, the time you left the Anon post above.
^ Wrong !656 is the current score of the Trolls to JoeTomi`s big fat 0 .
No- 656 is each of their individual weight in pounds! BA BOOOOOM. One of them just sat down.
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