Kelly Shaw Visits The Utah Mountain Road 1962 Bigfoot Sighting Location
On the Colorado episode of Finding Bigfoot last season, a man named Gary Bouvier claimed he was just a little boy when his father filmed a Sasquatch-like figure hopping from rock to rock as if it was trying to avoid stepping in the snow. This footage predates the Patterson-Gimlin footage of 1967 by 5 years. Gary's father was so spooked out by the incident that he and the other scout leaders had a very stern talk with the boys and asked them not to leave the camp at night. According to Gary, even on his deathbed, his father still referred to the figure in the video as an "animal," and not a man. Finding Bigfoot's Cliff Barackman, in his field notes, wrote about a possible "second anomaly" in the half-century-old footage:
What was most interesting was something that was not shown in the episode (although I understand this segment is in the Canadian version of the show, as Canada has fewer commercials than here in the US, and the episodes are a bit longer). We were able to take the footage to a company called CinemaLab, based out of Englewood, CO. They are a film laboratory that specializes in media restoration, preservation, and analysis. They have done media forensic work for law enforcement agencies including the FBI.
Due to the way the file was transferred to digital format (see above), little more info could be squeezed out of the footage. However, they verified the presence of another possible figure in the woods nearby, as well as the trailing “coat” or “hair” that was mentioned above. They said that if they had the original film, much more could be determined from the footage. Since the episode is now in its final form and has already been aired, I will be taking this on myself to get the analysis done. I have contacted Gary about this and have his blessing to do the follow-up work. I will announce any further findings on my blog in the coming months.
Bigfoot researcher Kelly Shaw, who's been investigating sightings around this area, tells us this a location is right in his backyard -- about 15 miles from where he lives:
Keep up the good work Kelly Shaw!!!
ReplyDeletePeace.
To the rest of you...
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Joe, how come you never try peddling your comments over on Bigfoot Forums? Seems like that would be a natural for you.
DeleteIt's just something I've never pursued. I quite like it here and the news frequency is top notch.
DeletePeace.
Because they would ban him.
DeleteGood Mornin Fitzie. Why doesn't Shawn just give Kelly Shaw Bigfoot Researcher of the Year now. Nobody out works him.
ReplyDeleteHere here!!
DeleteOh ... And I have something Joe. And I like it. M
ReplyDeleteAnd there might be someone who would very much like it!!!
DeleteGood to see you post Mike, you should do more often, especially in light of the third episode!
Peace bro.
Oh and Mike... You'll notice a couple of extra letters in the initials that imply something else to a certain group of people!
DeletePeace.
^^^ You mad bro ?
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVduOfaFsarC3b9Vb9R5YGA
Delete... Check out the link to know what we're implying.
Peace.
Just looked at it. That is one big print Mike. Are cowboy boots standard field wear in Texas? Also an Obama Care policy will take care of that infra sound sickness.
DeleteBeing serious I like what you are doing, but you need to get a better camera as all distance shots are blurry. Any thoughts on the hair samples and are they going to go to Sykes.
Chuck
I would not give anything to Sykes. In fact, ALL his research is about to take a huge dive. lol
DeleteWhat's important is that Sykes search for living hominids is still proceeding with researchers still proceeding to accumilate research.
DeleteWatch this space.
Do you really think he is trying? Have you actually watched that show? It was on NatGeo a few days ago. He is taken the stance of debunking, not proving.
DeleteLets take a close look at the dumb crap he says. "Zana had no more Neanderthal DNA than common people of that region." Yet did he not conclude that she was "Sub Saharan African"? They have NO Neanderthal DNA.
Then he says that the yeti was an extinct bear based on the DNA, correct? Okay, so if the DNA said it was an extinct polar-bear, then how the hell could his theory of why it was misidentified be accurate? He said it was most likely a hybrid with a brown bear making it look different. Would the DNA not show this?
But lets go back to Neanderthals... Right now, they are arguing that Neanderthals were improperly sequenced to begin with because the DNA was most likely not as viable as they thought due to the fact that both mold and bacteria can chemically change DNA. If they find that this is correct, then there also goes Sykes work on ancient human genome.
He is not out to find unknown hominids... He is reaching for straws before his claim to fame comes crashing down.
By the way.. Presently Neanderthal are 99.5% match to homo-sapiens. (Subject to change)
"We knew the project’s outcome would be conditional on what we received as samples. If you have seen the TV series you saw that 12 samples’ results were revealed. All were known animals, with the exception of some glass fibers sent from Russia. As you can see, a lot of money and effort was wasted on some samples. It must be noted that Bryan generously self-funded this project all on his own, including all of the travel. I can tell you that this has not been cheap and I doubt if he will ever recoup his investment, so those who claim that he is in this for the money don’t know what they are talking about. Neither Bryan, nor Bigfootology, charged anyone for processing, shipping and analyzing the samples for this project.
DeleteThe results aired on the television shows do not compromise Bryan’s paper in peer review. The show is purely entertainment and as I said before, we had no control over it. So the concerns of some people who think that results revealed in the show are leaks from the paper are unfounded. We kept things quiet for so long, why would we suddenly “leak” anything? We are a professional organization and adhere to the proper scientific process."
- Rhettman A. Mullis of Bigfootology (in close affiliation with Dr Bryan Sykes of the Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project, who is also... A member of Bigfootology)
... There is still a lot to come of this study, stay patient and hope that some samples can come to light that yield what we're looking for. I know of one person very personally who may have something that can contribute.
Peace.
A lot to come? He isn't doing anything as it is. Think about it. If he is actually looking at the DNA, then where are these "Hybrid" polar-bears coming from? lol. Unless he is only looking at the mt.DNA and not the nuclear.
DeleteThe reason I posted the match between Neanderthal and Homo-sapiens was because there is only a 5% difference. This is where you would need to fine-tooth it.
What started this second look at weather or not Neanderthal DNA was properly sequenced, was that sudden finding that most Europeans share Neanderthal genes, which lead to that theory that we interbred. Europeans had the most, Asians were hit or miss and Africans had absolutely none what-so-ever. Yet Zana was Sub-Saharan African and had Neanderthal DNA? Do you not appreciate the gravity of what came out of his mouth?
His "Alternate theory's" alone are suggesting that he is not doing what he is claiming to be doing.
And you really think he is not making a profit from that show? lol riiiiight ;)
Point Five percent difference* between Neanderthal and homo-sapiens. less that a percent.
DeleteHmmmmm, very interesting read.
DeleteOf course he's only looking at the mTDNA, like he would spend any more money or time to checkout the nUDNA of bears and raccoons.
DeleteSykes already takes barbs for his 'traceable to scientific eve and Adam' theory as well as stating Neandertal and modern homo sapien interbred.
Glad to see the footer club going strong today. If you ever needed an example of the footer 'we know something you don't nananana' attitude that they vehemently deny look no further than PJ's posts on this page alone...
DeleteAnd I quote...
"... There is still a lot to come of this study, stay patient and hope that some samples can come to light that yield what we're looking for. I know of one person very personally who may have something that can contribute."
Take a look at that and weep you silly little boy...
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... Oh, and Sykes is still part of the Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project, is still having the head of Bigfootology speak for his intentions, and you still lost your bet when Sykes stated there could have been relic human populations.
Lie and name call your way out of that silly boy.
If you are actually searching for unknown modern Hominids, you do not half-ass it. It's as simple as that.
DeleteIf he is only looking at the mtDNA, that is half-assing it especially when Ketchum paper (frivolous or not.) claimed that sasquatch had modern human mt.DNA.
Daniel, I got to disagree with you about the bear. If you claim to have found a long extinct ice-aged bear, then why the hell wouldn't you look at the nuDNA? I mean, this claim is right up there with finding an actual sasquatch.
For me, the Zana thing opened up a crap load more of questions. Even if he only did the mt.DNA on Zana, where the hell did a Sub-Saharan African woman (Who may even be from an earlier migration) get the 2.9% Neanderthal DNA from? (2.9% is the average for Europeans of that region.) Negroids were the only race found void of any Neanderthal genes. So his claim "Zana had no more Neanderthal genes than common to the region." was astounding in it's self.
Now I know that they are taking a second look at weather or not Neanderthals were properly sequenced, but Sykes is going from the current sequencing and findings. (He has to. If they are wrong about Neanderthal sequencing, then Sykes is wrong about Archaic Human sequencing.)
To me, the guy seems to actually be more of a crack-pot than Ketchum is.
I quit watching your video links 3 blobsquatches ago.
DeleteDoesn't matter what Sykes is doing because there is no bigfoot according to him, the world, and science.
You are the sole person desperately grabbing at this 'alternate theory'. Only you. Not even bottom of the Internet barrel Shawn Evidence has latched onto it.
You're crazy. You're nothing but a lonely Welshman with an obsession and an attention seeking disorder.
Sykes only matters to you now, you're the only one talking about him. Just like the resident butthurt footer is the only person to bring up JREF and use hash tags like a 16 year old.
Give it up, there's no shame in it more than you put yourself through daily.
Joe, the thing that pisses me off most about you (and there are many things) is that you never take accountability for what you say. When things (like the Sykes study) don't turn out the way you so loudly claimed they would, instead of taking ownership or at least entering into a sincere dialog about it, you deny, deny, deny, and then go off on some other tangential nonsense. While you might think you are being witty and bold, to interested observers (including BF believers) you just look like a classless jerk.
DeleteI don't think he is.. I think that he is just so overzealous that he honestly does not see things about the Sykes study. Likewise you skeptics are also missing key things about Sykes "study", such as his outlandish claims.
DeleteI get the feeling that had Sykes made a confirmation about an unknown hominid, it would not be me pointing out these shortcomings. lol
"Doesn't matter what Sykes is doing because there is no bigfoot according to him, the world, and science."
DeleteHmmmmm, well that is not true is it? If he didn't think there was such thing as Bigfoot, then he wouldn't be leaving one of the biggest names in Footery talk on his behalf, he wouldn't still be looking for samples, and his project wouldn't still be called the Hominid Project. 'According to him', is what can be taken from his actions, and that would suggest to a very small minded person that the results of 12 samples, means he still has 38 to play with. His work is in peer review, and though I don't claim to know what the results are... That in itself tells you the Hominid Project is still going (duh?)
The reason you are attacking me for finding interest in his alternative theory, is because you of all people know what I have been saying all along. It must have burnt you bad to see the skull, the proportions and then watch Sykes find enough importance in those things to at least offer an alternative. The fact is... That even if more comes to light and there is nothing to Kwit, Sykes' statement is further evidence of his willingness to look into such things and have the balls to apply risky statements that threaten numpty's like you... Paired with his project, that is significant enough to make you sweat and take it out on people like me who pick up in such things.
For all the attacks, for all the focus on me... You people simply avoid the one main thing here; this is what Sykes said, not me...
Deal with it.
8:33 & 8:46...
DeleteHere is my though processes... Again, just for you...
Zana who is described as having dark, greyish-black skin, bare on the face, but elsewhere she was covered in reddish-black hair. The hair on her head was a bit darker and formed a thick, tousled mane that hung down her back. Her face had a sloping forehead, prominent brows and cheekbones and massive jaws . Her nose was broad and flat, her eyes were reddish and she had large, strong white teeth. Her body was robust and muscular with well-developed breasts. She was tremendously strong, and also swift, able to even outrun a horse. Although she walked and ran upright on two legs, her arms were proportionately long and her toes could be widely splayed, especially the big toes which she could move separately...
Back up evidence? Kwit's skull. Unusual features of Kwits skull -
*very wide eye sockets (nocturnal vision)
*elevated brow ridge
*extra bone in neck
*bigger all round
*bigger teeth
*bigger jaw bone
*all this could suggest ancient as opposed to modern human origins
"Maybe she isn't an African of recent origin at all but one from a migration out of Africa, maybe many tens of thousands of years ago, and that she comes from a relic population taking refuge in the Caucases mountains"
- Dr Bryan Sykes' thought provoking alternative notion (Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project and active member of Bigfootology)
"The results aired on the television shows do not compromise Bryan’s paper in peer review. The show is purely entertainment and as I said before, we had no control over it. So the concerns of some people who think that results revealed in the show are leaks from the paper are unfounded. We kept things quiet for so long, why would we suddenly “leak” anything? We are a professional organization and adhere to the proper scientific process."
- Rhettman A. Mullis of Bigfootology
Accountability?
DeleteWhat am I to be accountable for exactly? That I should preach to the high hilt that Sykes should deliver Bigfoot DNA when his study is still in full swing?
What an absolute retard you are 8:33... You have seen 12 samples sequenced in a skeptical documentary series and it is suddenly my problem that you are not aware that his study is being peer reviewed?
You are the type that I laugh at... You, Crampz... All of you are tragically bitter that even though those facts are the case, that Sykes still managed to offer a radical theory as to why Kwit would have those features in a skeptical documantary that fit with my theories as to what this creature is;
Human.
8:33... You are a clown and if I piss people like you off, then I'm doing my job just fine.
According to that documentary, Sykes isn't doing anything. If the DNA results were absolute, then there would be no room for his weird alternate theories.
DeleteHere Joe.. I have an alternate theory for you. Did it ever occur to you that Sykes just might be paid to debunk Bigfoot due to the crap-storm the Ketchum study caused?
He announced this project BEFORE Ketchum's results were ever published and her work was covered by NDA's. This was at the time where her only critics were other people in the Bigfoot community.
Or.. there is the old "World Cover-up" conspiracy. In that scenario, again Sykes would be getting paid to debunk any notion of an unknown hominid and Kwit's skull would HAVE to be addressed by Sykes.
Either way, the guy is not really looking if he is not looking at the nuDNA is he?
Stop talking about nuDNA and mtDNa, Joe has no idea of what these things are.
Delete"Did it ever occur to you that Sykes just might be paid to debunk Bigfoot due to the crap-storm the Ketchum study caused?"
DeleteOh dear.
(Sigh)
What planet are you on? And you people wonder why I have to copy and paste all the time?! Why would Sykes let Mullis make comments like that?? If you were indeed paid to ensure Bigfootery is no more, why would you let one of the biggest names speak on your behalf, reassuring that "The results aired on the television shows do not compromise Bryan’s paper in peer review. The show is purely entertainment and as I said before, we had no control over it."
If I was Sykes and was hell bent on debunking Bigfoot I wouldn't be letting Mullis speak on my behalf, I sure as HELL wouldn't be reassuring Footers that the television series does not compromise his HOMINID PROJECT, and I sure as heck wouldn't be entertaining archaic human theories on television after making it very clear he found the proportions of Zwit's skull interesting.
How do you know he isn't looking at nuDNA????
Easy.. If he were, then there would be no room for alternate theories such as hybrid bears. His findings would be absolute.
DeleteSecondly, go look up that Neanderthal DNA found in homo-sapiens crap. Sub-Saharan Africans have ZILTCH Neanderthal DNA. Yet Sykes said that "Zana has no more Neanderthal DNA than the rest of the population in this region."
Basically, if he found any Neanderthal DNA in the mtDNA, then Zana could not have been from any migration out of Africa.
Mega burn
Delete"... Sykes put out his theory that because of his studies to date of the Zana relatives the theory he is pursuing is that their is a relic hominid population in Russia beyond the Black Sea that also contains 2.8% neanderthal and that the Russians ( Burtsev and his colleges ) may have been right after all."
DeleteThat was from my mate Chuck.
What I will also say, is that there are a lot of questions that require answering, because they were not answered in the three part documentary series, does not necessarily mean these avenues were not pursued. That is as big an assumption as it is to suggest Sykes is trying to debunk Bigfoot.
DeletePeace.
I thought the bet was no unknown hominin discovered in North America? Good thing you welched on that one Joe!
DeleteThe bet, was about unknown hominids full stop... Considering Sykes suggested archaic human origins, the only person who's lucky is little Danny boy and nobodies like you.
DeleteNow run along.
Actually, surf back through the posts because it was unknown hominid in NA. Doesn't matter because there is no living unknown hominids anyway.
DeletePJ is akin to Westboro Baptist protestors and I just egg him on from the barricade.
No Crampz... It was Sykes and hominids full stop.
DeleteSchooled.
All well and good but that's over 30,000 years ago. Context of this discussion is 2013 (soon to be 2014) and living hominids.
DeleteI'm not going to sit here and argue semantics of a bet that you welched on. With that being said, it was clearly unknown hominids in North America.
No Crampz... You are telling Porkey Pies.
DeleteAlso, if there was someone like Zana living only a 100 years ago, then the chances of there being more in relation to the innumerable modern day accounts is seriously likey.
Peace.
Don't deflect... Here is an archaic human theory.
DeleteWow Joe is getting quite mean to an actual constructive post at 8:33. Calling him a retard. Wow Joe, looks like REALITY is getting under your skin. I expected as much. Sorry I have been away so long Joe, I thought for sure once I slapped you across your idiotic little face you would have left boy. I never imagined you'd still be here selling your cure all tonic made from bullshit extract. You are one dumb motherfucker, and I think the best part of all of this is this: Dan, and many others can post in a few sentences what takes you 50k word essays of copy and paste counters to argue. This in REALITY means you are shoe shining and don't have a god damn solid piece of evidence. It's fun imagining you spitting with anger as you post this horse shit you come up with.
DeleteGAME OVER BITCH
KING OF REALITY
DAMAGE CONTROL AND KING KLOWN COMES A RUNNING!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!
DeleteRead the threads, read the article I pasted and read this...
YOU LOST NUMPTY!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
King Klown got King Schooled... Now run along you hateful little nobody... Swearing and name calling appears to be the brunt of your dribble.
DeleteYou've never slapped anything accept whats between your little legs... HA HA HA HA!!
Poor Joe, that the best you can do? Love seeing you angry.
DeleteSchooled by yourself again.
King
Schooled.
DeleteThe King of Reality comes to a reeling Campbell's aid.... Alas he just proceeds to trip him up and they land awkwardly in each others arms.
DeleteJoe doesn't call him Campz for nothing.
I enjoyed the comments that suggested that Sykes was crazier than Ketchum. These trolls have lost a grip on this reality thing that the 'king' likes to BS about.
The news of the Nature article has hit home hard. Much to think about and much to fear...
MMG
Good MORNING bitches running behind BLAH BLAH BLAH go fuck yourselves
ReplyDeleteYOU TELL'EM, BANDINI!!!
DeleteALL CAPS
What's up all caps how's everything goin brother
DeleteWhen I first saw this early in the year I must say I liked it. The fact that it was in 1962. Second the creature was a long way off and looked large compared to the back drop. Third the steps it made from rock to rock looked to be a good distance, it did it effortlessly and with only a quick flip of an arm and not out to the sides for balance as Bobo needed to do.
ReplyDeleteI hope Cliff can bring out some enhancements, at least I know he will give it a go.
Chuck
In my mind Chuck I always thought this was a person wearing a coat. I can see the coat swing low when he jumps.
DeleteWas never convinced by Bobo's arm swing explanation. Some folk counterbalance more than others.
Interesting vid nonetheless, but not on my maybe pile.
MMG
Can I ask you???.....WHO CARES ABOUT KELLY SHAWSSS??
ReplyDeleteIn light of the National Geographic episode Mike Brookerson should now honor his vow to Dan Campbell and leave the blog. He made the bet so he needs to keep his promise.
ReplyDeleteIt might be news to you, but Sykes' long term study is still in the process of being out together... Until that happens Mike is more welcome than any of you numpty's around here.
DeleteDon't be offended, Joe, but, are you Gay?
DeleteGay for that poontang!!!!!
DeleteIt looks like a person to me, sadly.
DeleteI see Cliff Barrackman posted his field notes from the Santa Cruz episode. The bigfoot that was in the bush viewing Coullette eating a sandwich was described as imitating here. I have another theory. I think it was making a gesture that he or she wanted to share the sandwich. If she had casually got up and casually walked over to the bigfoot holding the sandwich out for the bigfoot to take, it just may have taken it from her before leaving. It reminded me of a bigfoot story about a successful duck hunter walking a trail back to his vehicle with several ducks he had shot earlier. A large bigfoot stepped out on the trail in front of him and they both stopped. The bigfoot kept eying the ducks. Finally the duck hunter handed all the ducks to the bigfoot. In appreciation the bigfoot handed one of the ducks back to the hunter and disappeared. Coulette may have missed an opportunity to make a friend.
ReplyDeleteChuck
Hey Chuck!
DeleteWasn't the Bigfoot that was copying her showing glowing red eyes as well, as well as smiling? I think I remember that account, isn't there a video if it?
Peace.
Sorry Joe. This was first seen on Sunday night and is completely new. You probably have not got this yet in Wales. You must be thinking of a different encounter, one I am not familiar with. In this episode a lady named Coulette and a friend had lunch together close to town (Santa Cruz) CA home of Mike Ruggs bigfoot discovery museum. While eating Coulette looked to her right and saw a bigfoot crouched down in the bush, but quite visable. She then said it started to imitate her eating her sandwich. She turned to her friend to look and the creature took off.
DeleteCliff mentioned the old monkey see/ monkey do scenario, however you and I both know these things are way smarter than any monkey and thus my theory of the bigfoot making a gesture of wanting to share the sandwich.
Chuck
Chuck, I could have sworen I've seen a video of the exact encounter on YouTube... This was also to do with the Bigfoot Discovery Museum? Hmmmm, I'll have a look and see if I can find it, it's an exact account and I came across it whilst looking at videos of Mike Rugg???
DeleteIll see if I can find it for you.
Peace.
Hey Joe. You are probably right. There was no town meeting instead Mike Rugg suggested the people to interview. I will do a search of yours instead as it might contain more.
DeleteChuck
Hey joe fitz Canadian guy what's new in bf?? Can u tell me anything ????? Thanks
ReplyDeleteSigo mi caca en un tarro.
ReplyDeleteI like Kelly Shaw's accent.
ReplyDeleteI like Sharon Hill's hotness. And turtles.
DeleteThe bottom line is joe got fucking pwned.
ReplyDeleteMunns and Meldrum seem to have developed a symbiotic relationship. Meldrum has the credentials, the patter, and some skills, but no actual research activity/accomplishments. Munns has research activity, and the superficial appearance of results, but no academic credentials or skills. Neither one writes very well, but Meldrum has his own journal so that doesn't matter. Meldrum makes up stuff about Munns awesomeness, puts his professorial bow on it, and sells it to unsophisticated rich people, who give him a grant. Meldrum takes a sizable cut, gives Munns a few thousand to putter around with, and then publishes some revised old chapter of the now dusty Munns Report, with himself as second author, at his own journal. Then he uses that as evidence for his awesomeness when he goes back to Wally for more money.
ReplyDeleteOh, and Joe is a fuck.
Not to mention he created the 'branch of science' dedicated to naming/discovering unknown animals by their tracks.
DeleteWhat about mulder and dwa surely they deserve a mention.
DeleteAh munns.
DeleteIf you want a good laugh check out his 20 page essay review on amazon for the book abominable science. Lets just say he didn't take his pwning from the book lightly. It spawned a 100 comment thread which saw him get pwned and subsequently have his comments removed by amazon.
This is what you come to expect with people within the bigfoot cult.
All they have to do to end their misery and suffering is to drop the fucking looney toons circus show and just present some actual evidence of an actual bigfoot. They won't though and they can't because deep down they know it doesn't exist. This further fuels the rage and the circus show lives on.
Good old footery.
20 page essay lmfao.
DeleteMunns cannot separate reality from fantasty.
He thinks everything is an internet forum.
Well lookey here!!
DeleteIsn't this amazing, the people who require an expert to back up their theory that Patty was a suit, actually see the equivalent, after much research, state that Patty cannot be a man in a suit!
Not like you people to attack some plain old truth now is it.
Munns terrifies you and it's lovely to see you all squirm! Ha ha ha!!
Don't need munns just look at the film its obviously a bloke in a suit. That in itself is enough. Compounded with the fact that no matching specimen has been verified by science it truelly is a no brainer.
DeleteYouTube - Leaping Russian Yeti (MK Davis version) - matching specimen.
DeleteGot monkey suit?
Glad I could help.
I have a plaster cast of Joe's pride for sale. Cash only.
DeleteLook at the disgusting arrogance of Sharon Shill at 7:26, or a Sharon Shill Xerox Copy.
DeleteLook at her hypocrisy in calling the subject a cult while she attends the Randi Prayer Big Meetings within the JREF cult.
She is obsessed with Abominable Science and how it relates to Munns. She has posted comments on other bigfoot sites on this particular topic.
Notice the obscenity used, good old Shill who is richly offended by others' obscenities, hypocrite.
Shill is obsessed with Munns. You will find these comments across the web on other sites.
Her obsession reveals that Munns gets under her skin, that he has done solid work.
She and the JREF acolytes are cult members. The hypocrisy of accusing others of being in a cult is typical of the mind of the brainwashed cultist.
More skepfoolery from Sharon Shill et al 7:26.
Delete7:49, science is in on it your dirthead...
DeleteWhy is munns not in hollywood making millions as a special effects artist? Why instead is he looking at a 50 year old hoaxed film and presenting his report to half empty rooms at bigfoot conferences?
ReplyDeleteMunns was fired from Return of the Living Dead for making shitty zombie masks and overall subpar performance. Hasn't worked a single film since.
DeleteHe is MYSTERY-MONGERING: creating the sense of mystery where none exists. The PGF is fake even a child can spot it.
But Munns is an attention whore and will try to keep his pseudoscientic opinions relevant as long as he can. Fotunately for Billdo there are bf zealouts like DWA and SweatyKevinB who swing on his words and nuts like circus monkeys.
Bill Munns -
Delete"Beginning with a few basics, I was born in Los Angeles, in 1948 and grew up in the San Fernando Valley. I attended Hollywood High, and got my first taste of filmmaking in my senior year, when I made a Super 8 film satire of the Teen Dance Shows popular on TV at the time. I then went on to Los Angeles Valley College, taking courses in theater arts and filmmaking.
I learned the basics of theater makeup there, as well as all general film skills (camera, lighting, editing, etc), and then I took an Advanced Stage Makeup course offered by Mike Westmore. The instruction included making prosthetics. During that class, Mike announced that there was an opening at Universal Studios, for a makeup artist for the Studio Tour, and I applied and was accepted.Thus began my career as makeup artist at Universal Studios, 1969, doing the Makeup Show.
I continued experimenting with prosthetic makeups, and did Freelance Prosthetic Makeup work creating prosthetics for the Blackenstein monster in the movie “Blackenstein” 1970
I worked on the ABC TV "Lil Abner" special, doing appliance makeups. Also did "Dating Game", "Newlywed Game", "Lawrence Welk Show" and 11O'Clock newscasters makeups.
Some independent features I worked on included:Timber Tramp, Snatch, Richard Petty Story, and a Purina Catfood Commercial.
I started teaching makeup in 1971 and promoted to director and supervising instructor of Elegance International, the first professional makeup artist school. I was the director from 1973 to 1979. I taught salon, theater, film makeup, prosthetics, and high fashion.
1980 returned to private practice as makeup/prosthetics artist.
My film credits in the 80’s include:
DeleteDoc R&D
Savage Harvest
The Boogins (a minor horror cult classic)
Dead and Buried
Swamp Thing (first one)
Brainstorm
Witch
Beastmaster (first one)
New Kids
Quest for Fire
Better Off Dead
No Man's Land
Return of the Living Dead
Where the Boys are 1984 (custom “love doll” called inflatable Dave)
Baby
Blind Date (Mechanically animated erotic sculptures for art gallery scene)
Micki & Maude (custom props)
The Man who Loved Women (dog stunt double)
Heaven and Earth (Dian Fossey Bio) prototype work only, on making real chimpanzees look like gorillas. My work isn’t in the actual film, but it’s impressive experience none the less.
ABC TV show Orang Suit
1985 - Alchemy 2, working with Ken Forsee, inventor of the Teddy Ruxpin doll, for the ABC TV special on Teddy that Ken’s company produced. I was a foam latex suit specialist among the costume fabrication crew.
1987 - The Munsters Today - prosthetic designer and key makeup/wig designer on the pilot episode and first show of the series.
AST Computers - parody of 2001 Dawn of man sequence, with me designing five ape suits and servo motor animation of heads for facial expressions.
Kraft Macaroni & Cheese “Alice in Wonderland” parody (I did the prosthetics for the Mad Hatter character, faithful to the Tenniel illustrations).
Goolab Toys aliens
Gold Elephant
What Waits Below
Hugga Bunch
Three Breasted Chicken
Quest for Burger
Chevy Metamorphous
Foam Latex Puppet Fabricator - working for puppeteer Tony Urbano, molding and casting foam latex puppet heads for numerous jobs for him over 15 years.
I resumed teaching makeup part time at a vocational school called "Learning Tree", where I started courses on makeup and prosthetics from 1987 to 1994
DeleteTransition to Other Media - Having grown weary of doing zombies and swamp monsters, desiring to prove my skills were up to the challenge of excellence and realism, I started creating superbly realistic wildlife sculptures of full scale animal figures and museum quality prehistoric human ancestor models. In 1988, I took the “Best in World Recreation” award at the world taxidermy championships (and won again in 1992).
1998 Started working at Creative Presentations, Inc, Valencia CA, hired to help them develop a capability to enter the museum market and compete with Dinamation and Kokoro. While there, I designed, sculpted and figure finished a Gigantopithecus figure as a museum showcase figure (and photos of me beside it now populate many Bigfoot websites), was project manager on the LA County Natural History Museum Bird exhibit, was designing sculptor and project manager on the T Rex for Knotts Kingdom of the Dinosaurs upgrade. I was designer of a realistic bald eagle figure for an Indian Heritage Visitor Center in Vancouver, worked on an ET stroller costume for Universal Studios (that later got replaced with an animatronic figure), and oversaw the refitting of the Gigantopithecus figure into a “Bigfoot” figure for the IAAPA trade show in 1989.
I was promoted to VP (one of four) in 1989, when John March moved up to President and Gene Bullard moved up to Chairman. I left CPI in August 1990 to resume my career as independent artist.
1991 Commissioned by the French National Museum of Natural History to create two animatronic models of Archaeopteryx, for their renovation of the Grand Gallerie of Zoology.
Delete1992 - returned to CPI as freelance artist for the Fuji/San Rio dinosaur show, sculpting the 23’ Tarchia dinosaur.
1992 - returned to World Taxidermy Competitions to take home my second “Best In World Recreation” award.
During this year I also teamed up with the San Diego Museum of Man to create a joint venture exhibit “Faces on Fossils” , that showed both the evolution of humans and how the appearance of these ancestral forms is created. It debuted in San Diego successfully, and then went on a five year exhibit rental tour across America. The figures I created are now part of a permanent installation at that museum.
1993 - Started working at AVG as contract sculptor and figure finisher, doing numerous tigers for a theme park job of theirs, and then helping them get the bid for the 1993 Fuji/San Rio dinosaur show. I was AVG project manager as well as figure designer, lead sculptor and figure finishing lead.
While there, I also helped sculpt and design the 65’ dragon for the Excallibur Hotel in Las Vegas.
While working at AVG, one of my innovations in molding technology so impressed Alvaro Villa that he applied for a patent for the technology, with me principle inventor. As I understand, a sudden lack of business and revenues about that time caused him to “tighten the belt” and cut non-essential costs, and the patent attorney fees were non essential, so the application was suspended.
AVG hired me as animatronic skin technician and sent me to Taiwan (with two mechanical technicians) to help open a dinosaur exhibit based on both the 1992 Fuji/San Rio dinosaur exhibit (that CPI did) and the 1993 exhibit AVG did. I was the only person who had worked on both parts, and was invaluable in all the visual repairs (the exhibits had been in storage containers for several years) as well as the general assembly of the larger elements and creatures (including a 45’ sauropod).
DeleteIn 1993 and 1994, I received a contract to outfit a new Archaeological Theme Park in Holland (Archeon, in the town of Alphen Rhine) with a full set of prehistoric wildlife figures showing the evolution of life first in the sea, then on land, and finally human evolution. Sadly, this enterprise never reached profitability, and closed a few years later.
Other museum projects included;
Chimps for Educational exhibit, Japan
A commission for a Natural History Museum in Kyoto, Japan was for creating three prehistoric cats, the small Dinictus, the classic Saber-Toothed Cat, and the giant Cave Lion.
Potomac Museum Group Mammoths
A commission for the Tokyo Broadcasting Commission and the World T Rex Expo was for showing the evolution of flight with three figures, the small dinosaur Compsognathus, the proto bird Archaeopteryx, and finally a modern Peregrine Falcon.
A commission for the Ashland Oregon Museum of Natural History was for two bald eagles.
Gorilla Rentals - Buddy, Disney animation, San Bernardino Museum, Maryland Museum
Film industry work in the mid 90’s included an animatronic bear for a Hostess Twinkie commercial,
Extensive makeup, wigs and prosthetics for the TBS TV series “The Chimp Channel”.
Working with Animal Makers in 1996 and 1997, I created chimpanzee figures for the HBO Jane Goodall promo spot that won a Cleo, green wing macaws for a Texaco commercial, a bald eagle for a Anhiser Busch commercial, and some dog prosthetics for a Pepsi commercial.
Delete1997 I went digital, beginning my work in computer graphics.
My work with Bryce was so unique that MetaCreations (Bryce’s developer) hired me to create graphics for a product promotional campaign, “Bryce, the Eighth Wonder of the World (Because with it, you can create the other Seven)!” With that commission, I created all seven ancient wonders of the world using only the Bryce software, nothing else. 1998-1999
2000 Computer Graphics World magazine ran a four page portfolio of my Seven Wonders artwork. Then in 2002, in their 25 year retrospective of milestones in computer graphics, my portfolio of work was recognized as one such milestone.
2000-2001 - Hired by Jester.com to create VRML scenes of the Great Pyramids, the Lighthouse of Alexandria, an NFL stadium, and the Great Wall of China where website visitors could move through the scene while chatting with others online. I used 3D Studio Max, exporting my files to VRML 1 formats for Jester to use. Like many internet ventures, this one folded a while back.
... Did someone suggest Munns wasn't qualified to deliver a total schooling of tards?
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Way to go Joe. Sharon Shill just had to change her diapers.
Delete7:30 is a lying paid-off troll even a kid can see that.
DeleteThe JREF guys still have nightmares about Bill Munns.
DeleteThe resorted to name calling in the end and when he called them out over it they conveniently banned him.
Have those old threads been deleted now? They made for some great reading.
MMG
There are too many morons with "academic credentials" as it is.. That is what is wrong with modern science.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, what exactly are academic credentials when you think about it? You go to school and then get a certain philosophy or theory pounded into your head by a guy who had it pounded into his. Then you become the next moron to brainwash the next generation.
^^Sorry you were too stupid to learn anything in university.
DeleteNah, I learned a lot!!! Like how some hippie libtard was trying to instill his commie wisdom and lamebrain unproven theories of Evolution on me.
DeleteOh here is the good part.. I was a CJ major. So what I was learning in my Criminal Psych and Victimology classes, I was applying to my sociological studies professor. He was using brainwashing techniques by the numbers... Nope.. I learned a lot.
You have a point 7:31. You will also find that all major universities in the Western World push and push and push Marx on students, even in classes unrelated to politics and Marxism.
DeletePush push push push.
Universities in the US, Canada, Europe, it's Marx this and Marx that. Push push push. They churn out talentless modernist/post-modernist people who worship plotless 'literature' and feminist work, the latter of which is pornography under a different name.
Laughable dreck, poor excuses for literature.
ReplyDeleteJoe you simple fuck Bill has a much more flattering account of his own history.
Get yer Welsh ass off the couch and google Bill Munns fired from ROTLD.
Fired from film in 85 has not worked film since. Private practice my ass.
I think in a field as competitive and as opinionated as his, you'd excuse him for being fired once in 30 years.
DeleteHow many times have you been fired from burger flippin'?
Schooled.
Joe, that was an epic comeback, fantastic.
Delete7:47 demolished and sent to detention.
It was entertaining to see.
That one was for you my friend!
DeleteYo copy paste dude. Nothing in that resume qualifies this billy character to do or say anything related to bigfoot
ReplyDeleteExactly.
DeleteNo, but he's qualified to say everything on costume.
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So did Sykes take any DNA samples of costumes to help find bigfoot ? And his costume expertise will help prove bigfoot in what manner?
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DeleteIf there is no evidence of Patty being a suit, then the creature you see in the footage is real and therefore Bigfoot is real.
You need a costume expert, amongst all the other experts that have invested their time and opinion into the footage, to make that claim.
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To call Patty a suit, tells me how desperate the cynical trolls are and illinformed on everything from costumes to anatomy they - pretend - to be.
DeleteI gotta run Joe, but here's a grim reminder of Bill Munns' character:
ReplyDeleteIf Bill was on this forum right now, he would be asking you and other members for money.
I've seen him do it elsewhere and that's just not cool.
Bill applies his expertise to proving Patty is not a man in a suit... He does this so well it seems, that people flip out and instead of countering his expertise, say all sorts of things about his character instead.
DeleteSee ya later.
Amen Joe.
DeleteJoe fitz These dead sasqwatch that die in forest fires hit by cars etc do u have any idea were they bring the ones that r found dead????? Canada guy???
ReplyDeleteHey TTL!!
DeleteWatch these...
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/watch-interview-with-retired-forest.html
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/watch-this-retired-forest-ranger.html
... Let me know what you think.
Peace.
The FX of the Living Dead: The make-up effects of the film are explored here, featuring the participation of three of the effects artists who worked on Return of the Living Dead, William Munns, Kenny Myers and Tony Gardner, along with production designer William Stout, who helps to put the whole saga into perspective. Munns was originally hired to transform Stout’s impressive images into working, practical effects, but due to budgetary constraints, along with dissatisfaction from director Dan O’Bannon, Munns was fired halfway through the shoot and replaced by Myers, who was able to pull off minor miracles on a shoestring budget. Stout dismisses the efforts of Munns, saying that he put in “the minimum amount of effort” and Mumms defends his work on the film by saying that O’Bannon wanted the impossible on no money and that the director was so single-minded in his work that he wasn’t good at working (or relating properly to) others around him. Some of the ghastly publicity stills that adorn the UK soundtrack album sleeve show some of the original zombie make-up work that O’Bannon signed-off on and subsequently changed his mind on the day of the shoot and if these were typical of how things went under Munns’ time on the film, then his dismissal might not have been that rash. Munns was also responsible for the iconic skeleton that rises from the grave, which doesn’t look TOO bad, but when you compare it to what Stout had envisioned, it comes across as distinctly lacklustre - Munns was also working on the headless “Yellow Man” zombie and even shows you a picture of a work-in-progress version which looked pretty laughable. In his defence, Munns was doing what was asked of him and his version of the Tar-Man zombie was pretty much what ended up on -screen, with only a few minor modifications.
ReplyDeleteYour point being Don? I can't tell if you're defending or condemning Munns??
DeletePeace.
He is being fair...The simple truth is, some of Munn's effects were cool-the zombie that bops to the music during the end credits-and some of his work sucked-the decapitated zombie in the warehouse scene....
DeleteSpot on.
DeleteBill was never the most talented FX guy in the biz and he never claimed to be.
Again folks like to focus on the individual rather than the subject at hand.
It's a common coping mechanism for skeptics when dealing with the PGF footage.
MMG
I was providing information Joe. Do with it what you will. Someone mentioned that he was fired from ROTLD. I never knew that, so I googled it and quickly pasted the relevant paragraph here.
ReplyDeleteAh, rumors then.
DeleteDon, HOW DARE YOU cut and paste something! :)
DeleteDo what da V.P. Joe Biden – or as he known in these parts as “shotgun Joe” getz U a shotgun – buy U a shotgun, takes a shotgun with U for protection. Wise words indeed from shotgun Joe! Fo Defense
ReplyDeleteWhy would anyone think that this "1962" footage (sure it is) is not a human being?
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ReplyDeleteCome on Bobo. Why are you being so rough on the guy?
DeleteBOBO - needs to getz a shotgun : ) and getz da bigfoot proof...
ReplyDelete1 shot and it beez a done deal BOBO......
: ) G.W. knowz where da bigfeets beez @ in TX
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When I went into the kitchen of the church with John Bennett and Ben Barr and I think Ben and I were able to persuade John Bennett to go back in and empower himself with our support. I was so mad that Graham was patent attorney Baltimore monopolizing the meeting, the loss of control of the meeting by the chair, and the lack of respect for the chair by Bradley and Graham.
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