A Woman From Jackson County, Missouri Took This Picture of a Possible Bigfoot
We're not saying this is Bigfoot, but it looks like it could be the real thing. A woman who has had many sightings in this part Jackson County, Missouri said she was only 100ft away from the creature when she took the photograph and it was as clear as day to her what she saw. The witness took multiple photographs of the Bigfoot, but only one came out "good". The BFRO investigator, Carter Buschardt, writes:
After our conversation, the witness had a second sighting on a trail in the James A. Reed Wildlife Area and called me. She often visits the area of her prior Report #41195, and she walks the same trail every time she goes out there, many times with her granddaughter in tow. She said it was clear as a bell and knows exactly what she saw. This occurred within 100 feet of a previous sighting filed by myself, see Report #40306. She called all excited and out of breath. "I got him, I got him"......she was watching it as it watched her, to the side of the trail, and snapped several pics.
Unfortunately the photos didn't come out all that clear, this is the best one:
This witness would rate high on the observational skills. She is a retired psychologist, studied physiology and anatomy. She has interviewed criminal suspects and is a keen observer of body language and traits. Very well spoken and her story never wavered. This witness would be one of the best witnesses interviewed by myself.
Read the full report here: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=41395
Firsting!!!
ReplyDeleteIt was suggested to me about six months that there was reason enough to assume all newspaper reports of skeletal remains were hoaxed because of the famous P T Barnum. In his earier days; P T Barnum promoted hoaxes and human curiosities such as the 'Feejee mermaid' and 'General Tom Thumb'. He was an American showman, businessman and entertainer, remembered for promoting celebrated hoaxes for the circus that became the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Circus. Barnum wrote several books, founded a weekly newspaper BEFORE moving to New York City in 1834 where he embarked on an entertainment career. There is not one shred of evidence to support the claim that he initiated any of his hoaxing methods through the printed news media of the time... To suggest such is inaccurate and does not explain the consistency found right across the States from different newspapers that would not have had the level of inter-state communication of today. Comparing this to elaborate circus acts doesn't really prove anything. It has also been suggested that Barnum, through living through the documentation of such remains, proceeded to embark on his entertainment career reaching from the factual basis of such documented studies to provide 'specimens' in order to transition the interest of the general public from the news media into something they could attend and witness first hand in the circus to in turn make a profit. I personally cannot imagine he would have fulfilled this aim, using merely the 'Feejee mermaid' and 'General Tom Thumb' and his show piece examples.
DeleteMark Twain is often praised as the man who wrote the great American novel. But long before he was penning the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, he was a small time scribe for a local newspaper. Presumably bored with the day to day monotony of his life he decided to play a little prank on his unsuspecting readers. Writing under a pseudonym, of which Twain had many over the years, he published a piece in the Territorial Enterprise on October 4, 1862 entitled The Petrified Man. The short blurb of news described the discovery of a one hundred year old stony mummy with a wooden leg, pensive attitude, and a cause of death by protracted exposure. What he didn’t intend was the coverage the piece garnered. Originally meant as a slight jibe at the newspapers of the time’s obsession with petrifaction, Twain expected his practical joke to get found out. But before he knew it, people were reading about The Petrified Man as far away as London.
DeleteOdd??
DeleteI didn't see Crampz, Muir, and King Klown yesterday after their party was ruined, smoked, schooled, pwned, toasty double smoked??
Now that we have relic hominid DNA that coincides with inumerable accounts of giant skeletal remains being found around the same time Zana lived... Where are these people??
Smoked, vrooooom, vrooooooom, Sykes is coming, Sykes is coming, Sykes is coming, Sykes is coming, Vroooooommmmmm!!!!!!!
Curious...
DeleteComparing documented archeological and anthropological studies to mermaids and leprechauns, doesn't quite cut it, because those creatures do not have the accumulation of eye witness testimony, track evidence and other sources of evidence to which requires domumentation of biological remains to back it up... To which was the purpose of me bringing this topic up because it is what you desire for legitimacy.
Suddenly, we have a role reversal?! You have documentation of biological evidence, tracks with dermals, recorded speech, relic hominid DNA... All these things that would normally be good enough for science, yet we have the science enthusiasts drawing from sensationalist fantastical sources?
Wow... Didn't see that coming, I gotta admit.
Peace.
Zana was 100% modern human you moron.
DeleteHow you got from that to "unknown hominid dna" I do not know.
You have completely lost it since sykes shattered your hopes and dreams. Off the rails.
Alternative theory 2 ignored and schooled ^
DeleteSorry to spoil your day!!
PJ can't even understand the difference in homo sapien sapien and relic hominids of the homo genus.
DeleteYou say modern humans, PJ thinks 9ft hairy ape men.
He's so lost in his own delusions he can't even see when he's blatantly wrong and ignorant.
Sup ball boy?
DeleteSykes' thought provoking alternative notion...
Delete"Maybe she isn't an African of recent origin at all but one from a migration out of Africa, maybe many tens of thousands of years ago, and that she comes from a relic population taking refuge in the Caucases mountains"
You are so thick it hasn't even sunk in yet....maybe you should go back to bed and in your dreams where all your bullshit is free to exist as you fantasize.
DeleteBTW, what you like to keep promoting (took you long enough to actually grasp it since the release on Sunday) is a weak theory, but a theory or notion nonetheless. It actually takes PROOF to substantiate those claims...you know tangible proof of theory concept?
Something you always seem to fail to understand, you can show me all these words, clippings, pastings...but that's all they are. EVEN IF one of them may be true, at every turn there is nothing tangible to prove your absurd claims. Nobody has any of the bodies, nobody will say they are in possession of them, nobody has studied them, nothing nothing nothing is all you can ever provide.
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, hate, fart, burp, more meds and more blah!"
DeleteYou've been smoked Mr Crampz and lucky for you I 'Welched'.
Oh... And I have been too busy to actually watch the documantary since Sunday and did a good job of holding my tongue till I did.
Cue more hate...
Just what I figured. Cornered you about your lack of tangible proof and you post like that.
DeleteI stand by while you paste paragraph after paragraph claiming the evidence is before us, that we must be blind...but you don't actually have tangible proof of a single claim you make or post. Not one.
As it were, the only thing you can cling to is a generally meaningless theory by a geneticist. Note that he doesn't have proof of his theory, it's just an e-thought...but that is enough to count as proof to you.
If cornering my tangible proof is merely claiming 'BS' a hundred times, and questioning a geneticist that has inumerable other sources to back up his theory, then what is there to really respond about?
DeleteIt's time you stopped fighting me and started working with me Crampz... I could use your wit and energy in various avenues of study.
Peace.
You eat paint chips as a child?
DeleteGoddamn are you stupid.
The geneticist has 0 proof of his alternate theory, which is why it's an alternate theory...a notion...an e-thought. His genetic testing came back as 100% modern homo sapien sapien. Not relic, not unknown, not ancient known hominin, but 100% modern homo sapien sapien! Not even Neandertal, Cromagnom, nothing.
As it were, old clippings, musings, and National Enquirer articles are not proof. None of your listed accredited places have a single record of actually having, viewing, studying, or storing a single bone of these giant skeletons.
You have absolutely no tangible evidence to back up a single claim.
It's not a hard concept to grasp.
You say we have giant human skeletons, I say oh cool. Where at and who studied them?
You post a couple old paper clippings and say here you go.
I say cool...still not proof. Could be a lie. I wanna see the body or be shown the accepted study of said body.
You get super butthurt and huffy puffy because you know that you don't have a shred of evidence for it.
I continue to laugh at your ignorance and how blind this stuff makes you.
Wrong Crampz!!
DeleteSykes quite clearly States that one of these hypothesises has to be right. He would not have presented his 2nd theory if it were not a possibility. You only have to watch the documantary to know this Crampz... "Maybe she isn't an African of recent origin at all but one from a migration out of Africa, maybe many tens of thousands of years ago, and that she comes from a relic population taking refuge in the Caucases mountains".
The cover up is plain to all to see Mr Crampz... There are too many reports of giant skeletons being found from archeological and anthropological studies that amazingly you are now poo-pooing?! There are so many examples of things being covered up over time and this is one of them... Whilst you have a paper trail straight to major institutions. Where at and who studies them? I say go back and look at my pastes. I'd the same sources were to promote the opposite, you would be all over them. But no... All 'lies'; laughable Mr Crampz.
Now join me!!!!
Just what I figured again, shouts of cover ups and still no tangible proof.
DeleteDaniel... There is a paper trail straight to one if the country's biggest institutions!
DeleteSure. So what about all the other accounts, domestic and abroad?
DeleteFunny, Smithsonian never even heard about it when contacted before.
Turn the X files off, close your pseudo David Childress ancient giants book, shut off the C2C radio show.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
Oh dear... STEP 4 syndrome... This has been explained to you before Crampz;
DeleteRussia has vast areas that have not been penetrated by civilisation, and so has Australia and Asia.., like you said; China has a fully federal funded wildman campaign. What I'm saying is, the United States is covered by 70% worth of wilderness and much of that is being penetrated very rapidly in comparison to the other countries I just mentioned, and when you have deer numbers sawing, you are gonna see these creatures much more often and with the development of the Internet in recent years, the awareness of this creature has evolved into what can now be labeled; popular culture. Now, if there was indeed an agenda by the United States regarding this creature, that would be in starch contrast other countries where there are areas where the creature can evade populations more easily and therefore, sightings can be treated as just the ocassional 'nut-job account' to them, as opposed to the United States. And low and behold, there we have evidence of skeletons being found in burial mounds, particularly in New England, that we're found due to the industrial revolution and then covered up as quickly as possible because you cannot destroy a culture to make way for your own, and celebrate it at the same time.
Peace.
Yep, don't have any proof or tangible evidence for a single claim so you resorted to making more crap up then copy pasting useless drivel to make it seem like you actually did something..
DeleteSorry, PJ, but you have been schooled this morning.
Ha ha ha ha!!!
DeleteNot by you and not by anyone else. This is why you hate the cover up theory so much, because you can't counter it and the paper trail it has. The paper trail is the proof Crampz and as much as you sit there typing the same roundabout way of saying I have 'no evidnece' and that I have been 'schooled'... You merely look defeated and all out of options.
One of your main problems, is that you don't read people's comments properly cause it hurts you. I have answers and counter arguments for everything you have for me, and get nothing back but the same old crap that I have 'no evidnece'.
Who's schooled?
No bigfoot, no unknown hominid DNA, nothing but claims of cover ups and men in black.
DeleteYou have yet to show one actual real giant human skeleton despite all of your national enquirer jive, not a bone.
Quite the same way you haven't shown an actual bigfoot.
All you can do is copy paste meaningless words and try to dance around not having tangible evidence.
That in and of itself is a proper schooling.
Hello guys I work at this place you two have been debating about can I be of any help ??
DeleteSlavebearfoot
DeleteDermal tracks
DeleteClear footage
Relic hominid DNA
Transcribed language
Inumerable documented archeological and anthropologal studies and printed news media - documented biological evidence
Tens of thousands if witness testimony
Ten thousand years of native awareness.
You have never presented anything that cannot be countered and you have never presented me with a decent explanation as to why there is countless accounts of these remains being shipped off to the Smithsonian with nothing on display. These are documents that would normally be good enough for you.
Ok, let's put things into perspective here;
AS OPPOSED TO YOU ASKING FOR A SKELETON, WHY NOT EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS SO MUCH DOCUMENTATION OF SUCH GOING TO THE SMITHSIONIAN IF IT WERENT THE CASE????!!
Yeah... Just like I thought Crampz... Well and truly smoked sausage.
It is a bigger leap of faith to deny all those sources I have presented you as 'nothing', 'not worth acknowledging', 'nonsense because none of it transcends my experience'... As it is to believe that all that accumulation cannot be false.
DeleteSchooled Crampz... And no level of denial makes it go away.
Faked or artifacts.
DeleteThere is no clear footage. Look at the film of the Bili Ape...that's clear footage
No relict unknown hominid DNA, Zana was 100% modern Homo sapien sapien. If you think that's a relict unknown hominid, I suggest going back to school..
You *think* you have a transcribed language. Who's to say what he deciphered is even a Sasquatch?
You have nothing to show nonbelievers except old campfire stories and unfounded claims.
From 40-50 miles into the interior of wilderness areas that have species traits of dermals form years and states apart, that also have toe bending and scaring.
DeletePatty and Leaping Yeti is clear enough for me!
There is a chance Zana isn't an African of recent origin at all but one from a migration out of Africa, maybe many tens of thousands of years ago, and that she comes from a relic population taking refuge in the Caucases mountains - YOU STILL IGNORE THIS WHICH IS BRILLIANT!!
And the people who attained the Sierra Sounds can testify to those sounds being of Sasquatch, I'll take their opinion over yours any day.
STEP 4 syndrome is a bitch and can only lead to STEP 5;
Schooled.
I gotta agree with joe here. The smithsonian vault has alot of weird things unknown to the public and scientific community. The vault is guarded by armed security guards 24/7. I wish one of these days they would open it up and let everybody know whats in there but they wont. Everything and all cryptids are in there. Thats my belief. Any thoughts on this joe?
DeleteFooled ^
DeleteI'm currently putting together some research that when posted, cannot be contended. All roads lead to the Smithsonian and there are far cleverer people than me that maintain that.
DeletePeace.
"far cleverer"? Maybe, fare more clever
DeleteFar out man!
DeleteAre they done?
DeleteMMG
Why no unambiguous photos of bigfoot?
ReplyDeleteIs it possibly because they don't exist?
Patty and Leaping Russin Yeti (MK Davis version).
DeleteYou were very welcome!
Patty was a hoax, Russian video is of a known primate.
DeleteSo how many trannies did you suck off last night ball boy?
DeleteCrampz... Aren't you lucky that I 'Welched' out of that bet?
DeleteAbsolutely smoked my son.
And thank you for describing the movement of the Yeti as being tht of 'primate'; it articulates the later movements perfectly... And when you consider how 'human' it's initial motions are;
Booooooooommmmmmmmm!!!
You have a consistent documented piece of footage; consistent in regard to it's motion change abilities (bipedal and quadrupedal).
Peace.
Humans are primates...
DeleteCould easily be a circus acrobat or a high school gymnast for that matter.
You have nothing, never had anything, and never will have anything.
Still waiting for unknown hominid DNA and more importantly an actual body.
Actually, I think you'll find that in a sense I have been right about Sykes all along and the greatest circus acrobat in the world would not risk his wrists attempting such motion in that terrain, or achieve the speed.
DeleteEh Crampz! Shouldn't you be celebrating anyway?! Wasn't this the reason you 'got into this subject' in the first place? Because of the theories of relic hominid links to the creature??
Don't make me go and dig up that quote now and make you look even more silly!
Schooled.
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DeleteHigh Flying Gymnast???? Come now Daniel. Chaz Michael Michaels IS figure skating. Look. While you two pound each other into the ground I have hair. Not the perfect blonde free flowing mane which careens about my shoulders. That's a given. I mean two really good samples that need testing. I need a morphological determination to see if they lack a medulla and have uncut tapered ends. (They do). And then I have to cough up $1500 to Sykes in case they don't come back positive. Now that's a REAL bet. So why don't one of you two stop nitpicking at each other long enough to HELP me. Yours Truly, Chazz.
DeleteStore properly, contact any genetics/diagnostic lab, don't tell them what you think it is or discuss details, you simply want to have the DNA tested and will pay out of pocket for it.
DeleteShip or drive package to facility.
Problem solved.
Daniel. Clearly reading my statement indicates I need initial morphological determination of ape-human and then DNA sequencing. A state biologist already has them. Get me the address to Sykes and then we Rollin.
DeleteGoogle Fu.
DeleteNo shit. I'll try it. :)
DeleteLeaping Slavebearfoot
DeleteNo, Russian Leaping Slavebearfoot.
DeleteThat would be no huh?
DeleteMMG
Nevermind all this delusional dribble from Trollandia. I simply cannot believe this site is GETTING MODERATED. Still tons of hate and BS but wow, just WOW. Wonder who Shawn is paying to do this? Did he get a threatening letter from a lawyer or ten? He always claimed it was free speech but HATE speech is anything but FREE Shawn. Got it now? In one of the famous lines from your most prolific denialists of truth - SCHOOLED!!
Deleteahahahahahahahahaha classic stuff here folks.
My Mother, Grandmother and aunt had their sightings in Missouri. Only those were all in a County with 0 reports according to BFRO. Jackson, Oriole and Pocahontas, Missouri. All in Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the "Jackson" reports got mistakenly marked as "Jackson County"? With all the activity there throughout the 70's into the early 80's I can't believe these are not on BFRO.
Very interesting point Tzieth!
DeleteNo it really isn't.
DeleteThey saw bears.
DeleteNext.
Anon. 3:24, bears. In fucking Cape Girardeau, perhaps they were attending anatomy at SEMO. Tsieth, I was born in Poplar Bluff, Brookreson Black River Farms runs 9 miles down the Black River to this day. Get ahold of me. mk
Deleteits all a comspiracy
Delete"AnonymousWednesday, November 6, 2013 at 3:24:00 AM PST
DeleteThey saw bears.
Next."
LOL Okay smartass.. So instead of Bigfoot you claim they saw an animal that was long extinct in that region and highly endangered in Missouri it's self? lol okay.. You pretty much just said they did not see one cryptid, instead they saw another. lol (Black bears have just recently been reintroduced.)
"AnonymousWednesday, November 6, 2013 at 2:09:00 AM PST
ReplyDeleteWhy no unambiguous photos of bigfoot?
Is it possibly because they don't exist? "
I can tell you why. Who is going into the woods with state of the art telescopic manual focus camera's? You think those wildlife pics you see in magazines are from camera phones?
Just last week I was walking my dog out on one of the bike trails in my area. along the way a huge mule deer stepped right out in front of me. I pulled out my Android and took a pic. on my way back I saw a white spotted Owl on a low hanging branch and it was there clear as day. I took a pic of it as well.. Know what I got?.. a friggen blob-deer and blob-owl!!!
That is why there are no clear pictures. especially when you are in the forest with all kinds of brush to screw with your auto focus.
I'll tell you who, bird watchers, ornithologists, nature and landscape photographers, wildlife photographers, experiences amateur photographers, and a wide variety of people's and professions.
DeleteWally wants to blow all this money on good gear but he can't get a damn manual focus camera and someone who knows how to properly focus??!
Well, how many trannies did you suck off ball boy?
Delete^sucking off trannies is your moms favorite pastime not Daniel Campbells- quit getting the two confused
DeleteSeeing his hero fall to pieces ^
DeleteBird watchers, ornithologists, nature and landscape photographers, wildlife photographers, experienced amateur photographers, and a wide variety of people's and professions are not in the field looking for Bigfoot...
DeletePointless bringing that up really.
Peace.
Huge difference... All of the above save for Wildlife Photographers are not going out into the deep wilderness. If by Landscape photographer, you are meaning a surveyor, they now use GPS and laser levels for grade. And no one puts a development in the middle of a forest.
DeleteWildlife photographers know exactly what they intend to shoot (Photograph) and they know where to find their intended subjects. And they take multiple pictures out of which only a few may make the cut.
When Sasquatch are reported near homes, those are always by chance and usually when the Sasquatch is spotted, it is looking at the person making the report. (It got caught watching the witness first.)
In reports where the Sasquatch is witnessed with no clue that it is being observed, this usually takes place in the deep woods by hunters or campers, or crossing a road. These are where all these camera-phone blobsquatch pics come from.
Even if you had a nice telescopic lens and you were in the right place at the right time.. Remember, out of all those pics you see in National Geographic of gorillas and chimps, many pics were taken but only a few make the cut. And those chimps and gorillas were first habituated to the photographer. Now imagine how hard it is to get a money shot pic at something that will haul ass at the slightest whiff of you.
I disagree, in fact I highly disagree. I have a personal family friend who is one of the largest wildlife photographers in the continental US. His main targets are deer and turkey, but he photographs everything. Constantly has cover shots on hunting magazines.
DeleteNot once has he even captured a blobsquatch.
The only difference is backwater hokies thinking bigfoot is hiding just off the trail peeking from behind trees at them.
Imagines he has a personal friend^
DeleteIf your family member is one of the largest wildlife photographers in the continental US (with all due respect, he/she sounds wicked)... Then they would be in the woods with better equipment than what the average eye witness would be prepared with, and again... Not looking for Bigfoot.
DeletePeace.
And the fact that you use the term "Backwater Hokies" suggests that you must live in a city or well developed area. You never considered the fact that these "Backwater Hokies" would be well aware of their surroundings? (Timber Giant excluded lol)
DeleteI am 99% confidant that your family friend also takes multiple pics. My mother was a photographer for a local news paper. She took pictures of puppies and trivial crap like that. Even though these things were not running and right in front of her face, she still had to take many shots most of which would not cut the mustard. However this was back in the 80's so who knows.. maybe things have changed? But we are not talking about predictable animals such as deer or turkey which we have been hunting since the dawn of man. We are talking about higher primates be it human or ape. The pictures we have of chimps and gorillas in the wild were taken by people who gained enough of their trust. Hell without Jane Goodall we would not even know half of what we know now about them.
Personally I think they are human and that makes them even more elusive.
You'd think that, wouldn't you? I can assure you he has no special equipment he takes into the woods.
DeleteHis equipment is the same as any other person can buy, even affordable in my opinion for Squatch campers.
It's not like they make a dank camera that takes better pictures and say only the pros can buy this.
This man travels the country, going into the woods, sometimes sitting still in one spot for over 12 hours at a time, all to take pictures of wildlife and nature.
Yet after hundreds of thousands of images and tens of thousands of miles logged...not even a blobsquatch or a wood knock.
I was born and raised in one of the lowest population density areas in the Northeast. I moved to Tennessee a couple years ago. I'm currently back in my home state. No cell coverage, no 3G, only wireless 1mb/sc connection.
DeleteEverybody takes multiple pictures! Fuck, don't you have a girlfriend or wife? Even they take 20 photos rapidly and use the one good shot.
This farkin' post itself talks about the lady snapping several photos but only one came out "good."
Who in their right mind just walks into the woods, snaps one lone picture, then walks back out?
Another contradicting point you've made -
DeleteYou talk about humans hunting animals since the 'dawn of man' then go on to talk about BF as human and gloss over the fact that they have to have been here just as long as us using your theory...which makes the fact that we don't have a single shred of biological evidence even more preposterous. Not one good clear picture or film, even when millions of people have smart phones.
I was going to make a comment however Tzieth nailed it on the head. He is good at that. I see these bird photographers every year in the Sceney Wildlife Refuge, Sceney, MI. They all have one thing in common. They drive along the main tour road hoping to see birds to photograph. They may sit on a sand bank, next to their auto, or on the numerous small bridges and wait for something to come out in the open. A sasquatch is not going to clearly show itself in this manner and every researcher knows this. Two weeks ago I was on st. rt. 47 outside of Sidney, OH heading towards Bellefontaine, OH. I had to come to a complete stop. A deer had parked itself in the road and did not want to move. I was 10 feet away. I had to honk several times to get it to move and then it only went to the side of the road and stayed. I see deer quite often on these trips usually 50 to 100 feet off the road. I will often stop if no traffic and they will stay put sometimes making for easy pictures if I was so inclined, other times they spring away. Again a Sasquatch is not going to do this.
DeleteChuck
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DeleteI agree with Tzieth in that I think they are human ( human type hominid ) with huge brains. As such they skilled well above any human in the woods and with an athletic ability modern day athletes would die for.
DeleteChuck
CHUCK. Email me man. Lots to tell you. You wanna see a friggin camera. MK brought a camera here that can capture the independent motion of dragon fly wings in almost real time. Utterly amazing. M
DeleteI can equally argue that there is no evidence that Neanderthals, Homo Erectis, or any of the other human species went extinct. We only have a fossil record of these things because at the time they were in regions that made fossilization possible. Forests, swamps and jungles do not allow the fossilization process to occur.
DeleteOkay lets go back to the dawn of man. We know people lived here 10-20,000 years ago. (When we know that at least Neanderthals still lived.) Yet there has not been one human remain found in North America at this time. It is not Anthropological evidence that tells us about the Clovis People. It is instead the archaeological evidence. The tools that they made, mainly the arrow-heads.
Recently they found evidence that there was an even older society based off of fossilized feces found in a cave and though no DNA can be extracted from it, it is instantly Homo-Sapiens shit?
The point is, that just because there is no anthropological evidence of something existing, does not mean it did not exist when you are dealing with non-grasslands environment. It's VERY likely that we drove them into environments that we refused to go.
Oh and Key word "Smart Phone". That Owl was no more than 10 feet from me. I took pic after pic and it would show up as a white smear until it eventually flew away. Unlike the deer that quickly ran off, the owl was still and stayed there for a good three minutes.
"A sasquatch is not going to clearly show itself in this manner and every researcher knows this."
DeleteYou say this as fact, yet I have a whole BFRO database that says you're full of shit.
I'm also going to say your proto-human theory is complete garbage. You need a biology and evolutionary lesson before you spout that crap off.
Brookreson appears out of the brush with his official John Audobon Society bird book and looks at Campbell and Fitzgerald. "Shhhhhhhh it's a blue footed Boobie". Then hits roach and whistles like...... An angel.
DeleteOf course you can counter with 'but you can't disprove' arguments.
DeleteI'll tell you this, there's no Neandertal or Erectus still living. There are no relict populations in the BC wilderness.
Latest look says Neandertal died out nearly 50,000 years ago pushing back the previous thought ~30,000 extinction date. It also shows instead of thousands of years of cohabitation with modern humans it was most likely less than a couple hundred years. Neandertal was already on the verge of extinction, especially in higher competition areas near Africa by the time we rolled around.
You know, the more you try to explain this, the more you show how little you know about theories you propose and the subjects in it. First the Heidelbergensis crap and now this?
Do you actually put a lot of thought into your theories or so you just type what sounds good in your head?
Hi Mike. Will send one off probably later today. Quite curious what you have to say.
DeleteChuck
I, personally have never thought Bigfoot are Neanderthal; this is the fundemental querie I had with Igor Burtsev and his camp's research. Sykes quashed that theory... But offered a tantalizing alternative that I'm sure Igor Burtsev would have celebrated after his initial results meeting.
DeletePeace.
Neanderthal were likely bred out of pure existence. Like my last girlfriend. Stop looking at red herrings. Focus on proving what is currently creeping through our forests besides pot growers and bird watchers. For the record. I'm against neither. :)
DeleteThe same Dr. Igor that professed Janice Carter Coy was the Jane Goodall of Sasquatch and bought the Fox and Family stories hook line n sinker?
DeleteThat Dr. Igor? Yeah...he's totally credible.
"I'm also going to say your proto-human theory is complete garbage. You need a biology and evolutionary lesson before you spout that crap off."
DeleteIf that was directed at me, I need no lesson lol. I do not believe in pseudo-science such as "Macro Evolution" But I am well aware of the THEORY. Nor do I use the term "Proto-Human" as we existed concurrent.
I am also well aware of the gross anthropomorphism used in artwork to make the other Homo Species look as much like us as possible even though the bone structure tells an entirely different story. lol
I mean if you think Sasquatch or even at least the possibility of Sasquatch is Bullshit, take a good look at how much unbacked bullshit is in modern science.
It was directed toward AlphaDog.
DeleteDaniel, back up your 50,000 years ago claim lol. Because I am about to blow it out of the water as soon as you do. There is a cave in France that says 20,000 years ago ;)
DeleteJoe, Sasquatch is not one certain thing. Like "Bigfoot" that word has become generic for ever HB reported all over the world. Look at Orang Pendek. If that is what they think it is, (Homo floresiensis) There is also a debate on weather or not Homo floresiensis is a dwarfed Erectis. (Which means even Erectis lived as recently as 10,000 years ago.) Almasy, Almas, Yeran, Yeti etc.. only have "Hairy" and "Bipedal" as similarities as well as the classic long arms and short legs. But differ in size, color and reported locomotion.
Aside from that, we have "Neanderthoid" reports here in Washington State along with the classic Sasquatch reports.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110510153942.htm
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120813155521.htm
Very interesting. Could those reports not just be the more homo sapien looking Bigfoot? There are reportedly a few different types; the Patty type and the Native looking type??
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Joe as long as there is any doubt that bigfoot does not exist it will be a myth. Until a body is put on the table for science to study bigfoot will be called fake. That chances of this happening very slim.
DeleteIt is not a myth to those that can look at the facts and not ignore them... Anything else is merely lazy and a result of not being altogether ok with the facts.
DeleteYeah a body will seal it... But it isn't as easy as that when you have an effort at a cover up like this... This is the point I am beating my brain against the wall over. How many times over would we have had that evidence if this wasn't the case?
Peace.
The problem being you have no facts, PJ.
DeleteFacts are indisputable. Fact is 2 + 2 = 4.
You have stories, no body, no DNA, you have NO facts...
You only have your beliefs.
Thats one way at looking at it and is a valid point. The other way of looking at it is that they don't exist also a valid point. Just wait when i have a holiday in april and hunt one if they exist i will shoot one.
DeleteOkay Daniel I read them.. This is why I think modern science needs to be completely revamped lol. They make good cases, but it is all speculation. However it is yet another example of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. The Sciences are not matching up. How can you say DNA proves this, when carbondating says otherwise? (Not that I trust carbon-dating. I did find that they think the European population of Neanderthals may have died out as little as 15,000 years ago. (But this goes back to the flaws of carbon-dating.) As of now 15,000-20,000 years ago is still official http://timelineindex.com/content/view/1891
DeleteClear footage - fact
DeleteDermals - fact
100 years of printed studies - fact
Recorded language - fact
An example of how a relic human can survive up to recent times - fact
Inumerable eyes witnesses - fact
Account upon account of cover ups in the same fashion as various other things that have been covered in history - fact.
People scared of acknowledging the accumulation of evidence and what's staring them straight in the face - fact.
Peace.
Dude. You can't even read your own source right...go back and read your 15,000 year figure in context again. It has nothing to do specifically with Neandertal.
DeleteAlso, your source is WIKI...LOL.
I've yet to find a piece of science or dating from the last couple years that shows your dating timetable as being correct. The more they test, the older the timeline becomes. I've yet to find a Neandertal officially dating to 20,000-30,000 years ago. Latest know is right around 47-50k years.
What are you rabbling about DNA over?
PJ you are so far down the rabbit hole you haven't had a breath of fresh air in 3 years.
DeleteMight as well line you up with Giorgio Tsoukalos, Von Danikhen, David Childress, and Bob Schoch and film a show about shoddy theories with absolutely zero scientific backing and often ripe with exaggerations and false claims.
"This Sasquatch had to weigh 100, perhaps up to 300 tons!"
Joe, if you go by reports, there may be at least four species in the U.S. alone one being a true ape. The earlier reports of the Florida Skunkape, suggested an actual Chimp or Orangutang population. The footprint's were said to be "Handlike" (Look up the early reports from the 60's) There is no doubt those are real as Florida has a problem with foreign non native animals thriving there. The question in that case is whether or not they are escaped known species, Napes, or known foreign species that mutated to suit Florida's climate.
DeleteThe Reports from the exact Midwest (Such as Missouri) mostly have big round pumpkin shaped heads. (Heads that seem to big for their bodies.. Momo is an example.) The reports from the deep South swampy regions (East Texas, Louisiana, South West Arkansas, Mississippi and Western Alabama are reported to be short (4ft-5'5") with long shaggy hair that covers the face. Sometimes reported as having fangs and claws and sometimes not. But always having long hair and always reported to be highly aggressive and territorial. (Where the classic Pacific North West Patty type are reported to be huge, shy, and migratory.)
So if you use the reports as evidence to sway skeptics, you would be hypocritical to think there is only one species. (Like Matt moneymaker is). The reports say there are at least four types.
My source was not wiki. It is the standard Neanderthal Time table. and 50K years are when they disapeard from Asia, not when they died out. 33-24 thousand years ago are when they disappeared from the fossil record. But you are right.. I missread. The 15,000 years was co-existance with Neanderthals in Europe.
Delete"The Neanderthal (Homo neanderthalensis) or Neandertal was a species of the Homo genus that inhabited Europe and parts of western Asia. The first proto-Neanderthal traits appear in Europe as early as 350,000 years ago. By 130,000 years ago, full blown Neanderthal characteristics had appeared and by 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals disappeared from Asia, although they did not reach extinction in Europe until 33,000 to 24,000 years ago, perhaps 15,000 years after Homo sapiens had migrated into Europe."
But here, is this better? http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/dating
Tzieth. I dig your science. I do. But I spent the weekend with 3 researchers and looked at some of the best evidence the Midwest has to offer. Let me be VERY clear. A 19" track is no small subject. Look at Fahrenbachs chart. We are talking 8'5" and upwards of 700 lbs. and one researcher swears that errs on the small side. These were grown men with equipment the likes of which I've never seen. Granted. I agree there are varieties. But let's not assume They don't overlap. Theories abound of their migratory nature and the following of ungulate herds and watersheds. What I'm saying is. Everything really is bigger in Texas. :)
DeleteThe source of your original article is Wiki, it says so right on the page.
DeleteThe Smithsonian article you linked cuts off at 30,000 years ago. Far cry from 15,000 years ago. I've also yet to find one test done that suggest anything under 40,000 years ago even with the margin of error with the testing. Note they are also doin other testing outside of carbon dating.
I have a theory that the Yakima tribes are used to seeing a particular type of Bigfoot that have hairless faces and longer head hair (more native homo sapien-like features in the face if you will). In my research, you have three main types, with a fourth being assembled;
Delete1. The Patty type with hair covered faces, longer arms and pointed heads.
2. You have the more homo-sapien typed faced types with arms in proportion to their bodies.
3. You then have a type with the perfect mix of the previous two with homo-sapien, native looking features in the face, with longer arms (check out Harvey Pratt's forensic sketches on Google image search engine for a perfect example of these creatures).
... All are highly evolved and very human like in intelligence, but have the advantage on us as they've evolved animalistic sensory attributes.
I have been trying to find accounts of the bigger headed type; 'Allagash Sasquatch' account by Michael Merchant was an amazingly detailed version of this.
Peace.
Oh I am awear of the overlapping especially in Texas lol. (I am originally from Texas.) But that was not going to make my case of the different species lol. South Cenral Texas has Neanderthoid Reports. North Texas has reports of things similar to the Pacific North west, with the conical heads, but tall and skinny rather than bulky where far east Texas gets the "Fouk Monster/Swamp Stalker" reports as well as errm Werewolf/dogman reports. I know that the classic Sasquatch are reported around Mineral Wells in the Possum Kingdom lake area... But I can't see that as likely :(
DeleteI would appreciate it if you would not use the phrase "swamp stalker". Yes she continued to pursue. No , we could not work it out. :)
DeleteYou see. I met her at my alma mater, UBH (University of Backwater Hokies). We carbon dated for a while (fossil records indicate it was longer). But it just didn't work out. I remember asking her, just before the split, "do you science?" She didn't answer. She just continued to peek from behind our old oak tree. Then she followed me out of the forest. I have to go now. Too many sad memories. :(
DeleteSmithsonian cut off at 28,000 years.. don't short change it lol. Two thousand years of life is a long time. Regardless, this reinforces my theory that we drove them into forested areas rather than them simply dying out. It was already evident that we had done this at an earlier time when they disappeared from Asia. (Asia means middle East in this case, not Far East)
DeleteOther than that small pocket that was left behind in France, the fossil record evidence shows them going north as we swept into Europe from the South East.
Neanderthals were already adapted to cold climate as it was. For them to move north and then eastward into Siberia isn't only logical, it makes sense. We were not just pushing out the other Human species, but we were pushing out the Mammoths as well. If Neanderthals preyed on Mammoths as they think they did, it would only make sense that they would follow the heard across Asia and possibly into America. Hell for all we know the Clovis could have been Neanderthal. Either way, they crossed a region where they would leave no fossil evidence.
Take H. Erectis for example.. It actually vanishes from the fossil record and then re-emerges in central Asia a good chunk of time later. Then if H. Floriensis does turn out to be a dwarfed Erectus, then what was once thought to be the common ancestor of Sapiens and Neanderthal out lives Neaderthal by 10,000 years? There is no fossil record of Erectis going that far east, and yet H. floresiensis is a scaled down replica of H. Erectis.. Same deal, when these things vanish from the fossil record and then re-emerge thousands of years later, they were crossing regions where fossilization was not possible.
I just think it's foolish to assume something died out just because the fossil records stop especially when they have a history of stopping and then re-emerging a few thousand years later. Hell look at the coelacanth. Thats a 60 million year jump.
That might be the best comment on relic species I've ever read. Throw in wood bison and bili ape and you really have something there. C'mon Tzieth. Take me on home. I'm with you. You are almost there. What the ---- was it I was listening to Friday Night. And don't say The Smiths. That was much later. What I'm asking is....are you stating that Bigfoot/Sasquatch phenomenon are relic Neanderthal or Erectus?
DeleteTzieth, as Gustav H. Says in the trailer for the new Wes Anderson movie, "The Grand Budapest Hotel" when talking to an old friend, I don't know what kind of cream you are using but I want some ... Please......do finish ....
DeleteDamn Tzieth. You had me running with Neanderthals and chasing Mammoths across Beringea about 15-20 thousand years ago. Our cold weather cousins adapted no doubt to our climates and territories, food sources, etc. Hmmmmm. It's as good as anything I've heard. I suppose some type of cross hybridization would account for the variety of shapes, sizes and colors of hair. Ok. Just about sums it up I guess. Now it's just a matter of testing some samples.
DeleteWazzzz up good morning bitches it's Wednesday go big or go home
ReplyDeleteHUMP DAY YEEEEEAh
ReplyDeletePJ still hasn't answered this Anon posting from a couple posts back, so I'll repost it here:
ReplyDelete"Joe, there are also innumerable accounts of mermaids and leprechauns. Of all these articles about giant skeletons not one - NOT ONE made it to a museum or official institution? These official studies that you mentioned - done by whom and where can you find them? I think coming up with a real giant skeleton which can be examined is what you keep sidetracking my friend.
I am curious on another point as well. How does giant skeletons bolster your case for bigfoot? I have read the accounts which tell of a double row of teeth but that and just the sheer size of the skeleton are the only things I can see that would differ from just a normal human skeleton. I admire your persistence but that and belief cannot prove the existence of something. Sooner or later you have to produce something tangible for others to grasp on to."
I answered the first paragraph up top... The second paragraph's answer is as follows, so thank you for bringing it up!
Delete"... accounts which tell of a double row of teeth but that and just the sheer size of the skeleton are the only things I can see that would differ from just a normal human skeleton."
I think that it would be news to you that there are many legends and reports of these creatures having six fingers and double rows of teeth, and to suggest that the 'sheer size' of these remains doesn't fit with the biology of what people are reporting, his hilarious; when we are talking about a giant hairy type of person anyway.
Good enough for Crampz?
Peace.
Yet again you can't even grasp simple morphological disparities and biomechanics.
DeleteBigfoot just aren't giant hairy men, as reported. Way to many morphology issues at play, even your most human like bf (hoax!) would have to have a completely different bone structure, shape, and density than ANY of these giant human skeletons you bullshit about....regardless of rows of teeth or extremity digit count.
I hope the original anon poster comes back to rub all your nonsense into your face again.
Yet again another nothing from PJ award...
his Chihuahua has bigger balls^
DeleteUnusual features of Kwits skull -
Delete*very wide eye sockets
*elevated brow ridge
*thats could suggest ancient as opposed to modern human origins
*extra bone in the neck
Sykes' thought provoking alternative notion...
"Maybe she isn't an African of recent origin at all but one from a migration out of Africa, maybe many tens of thousands of years ago, and that she comes from a relic population taking refuge in the Caucases mountains"
Don't take it from me Crampz; take it from an expert bro! Bigfoot could be just another branch of relic hominid with different physical and morphological traits.
Now join me!!!
LOL I am not jumping on that giant double-row tooth indian-mutant Annunaki thing... I am staying the hell away from that and Joe, you should as well lol.. It's the wrong tree.
DeleteHowever Daniel, you touched on something crucial about the reported morphology of Bigfoot descriptions.
The eye witness reports do vary depending on region and era as far as the head shape and face looking more human or more ape-like.
But what has not changed, are the proportion's ie; Barrel chest, lack of visible neck, long arms that hang past the knees.
Do you completely discount the fact that these reports are exact proportions of non Homo-sapiens-sapiens humans? Only Homo-Sapiens and Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens differed in this. We were the only ones that had squared off ribcages and arms that hung above the knees when standing and shoulders relaxed.
Sure, you can make the argument that what we know about the others in genus Homo are influencing modern day Sasquatch sightings.. But what about the reports from the 1700's and 1800's when no one had a clue about these things?
And you still can't science.
DeleteI don't have to 'take' an unaccepted and unsubstantiated claim from anyone, regardless of their profession. I deal in facts, PJ, not fantastical claims or those regurgitated by severely uninformed and slighted peons.
She was tested as 100% modern homo sapien sapien. Accept it. Those genetic abnormalities don't show nearly a morphological distinction to warrant an alternate theory. You want a theory that would be more accepted than Bigfoot?
Mental retardation or a birth defect, possible malnutrition or a combination of several anomalies
can easily explain what minor defects there may have been. Much more plausible than bigfoot.
Tzieth, PJ has gone full retard and will cling on to any out of the ordinary concept that may help him substantiate the hairy monkey mang.
DeleteI think sightings are all misidentification, lies, hoaxes, cons, hallucinations, and the like.
I think a predominant factor is the archaic traits in humanity, particularly fear...especially fear in the woods of predators (calling back to a time of evolution and different human/hominid to fear), fear of the dark or unknown, and adrenaline spikes.
With all due respect Tzieth, you won't find me claiming anything of Annunaki and do not appreciate you using sensationalist claims to deny inumerable documented anthropological studies that have transitioned thousands of years of Native ackowledgement?
DeleteCrampz... You are dodging Sykes' alternative theory... Again. Quite funny to see. Very wide eye sockets, elevated brow ridge, that could suggest ancient as opposed to modern human origins, extra bone in the neck... These are the morphological distinctions that warrant an alternate theory. The alternative theory wouldn't be there not for those differences.
Keep snaking around it Crampz. Your world is falling apart.
Daniel. Sightings are ALL ..... What? Look. Noone likes a night on the town more than I, but my encounter was being followed off my own property by a white subject. I then got white hairs from a twisted cedar tree. Man brother. Tennessee is not that far. Why don't you get back from Tennesee Jed and let me show you something that will blow your hair back like your avatar picture. I'm about to drop $1500 on Sykes and shock the world. And get this Daniel. It's WHITE!!
DeleteLet me rephrase, Joe. What I meant was that those giant skeletons more support Annunaki/ancient alien theory's than they do Sasquatch. This would be more of a discussion to have with other people who have no doubt that sasquatch exist. But you are catering to a skeptic thus to use those bodies that science claims do not exist, to support something else that science says does not exist... Well it's making you spin your wheels.. I meant no disrespect, Joe.
DeleteNicely put. Perhaps wrong. Perhaps not. But a clear and concise statement from one potential believer to another intended to hone their tradecraft. Stop it Tsieth. You'll ruin Footing if you continue to be that smart and reasonable AND helpful.
DeleteGrateful reference or not, I'm not a believer and I'm not the one out to prove its existence.
DeleteProve ME wrong. That's what I'm waiting for.
your just waiting for a taterholin
DeleteTzieth... You could never cause offense in me cause I think you're great! Likewise about meaning no disrespect!
DeletePeace.
Fine Daniel. I'll pony up the 1500. But if my sample is accepted. I will be sitting on your porch listening to ELO and laughing with results in hand when you arrive. I accept.
DeleteWow - the postings here move so fast one can barely get a word in. Unfortunately I have to work and can spend very little time here but will try to cover a few things.
DeleteFirst I actually hope Mr. Brookreson is successful and encourage him to submit his sample to Dr. Sykes. I personally don't believe it is what he hopes and because of that I am not willing to chip in. My question is IF you submit it and IF it comes back as anything other than unknown primate will you accept his results? Most of the others who had their samples tested on those shows did not. No offense but I am only interested in the results of such an endeavor and not speculation.
Also I am curious if Joe, Tzieth, Alpha Dog are of religious persuasion. I realize that is getting personal but that doesn't seem to be a problem on this site. No need to answer if you don't wish to share.
Back on the subject of giant skeletons I found after a quick search that yellow journalism was at it's zenith during that period. Newspapers then wanted to sell how badly as they do today and any fact finding mechanism back then was rudimentary at best. This would help explain was there never seemed to be follow-up articles. If one searches you can find reports of flying monsters, sea and lake monsters as well as mysterious airships. What they all have in common is no collaborating proof that these things actually existed except in the mind of the author. Now an interesting approach would be to actually research the author, the paper and the names mentioned in the article to determine their credibility. Alas - I would love to do but can do it only sparingly as I must turn my attention to more productive things (like making money). I still ponder why - after all these reports not one made it to a museum. Do you actually think that back then after destroying whole tribes that the white community would give a fig about "celebrating their culture as we do today? What was even more interesting to me is that gigantism was not unheard of even among some of the living community of that day. It is certainly feasible that there were tall Native Americans back then affected with that condition as well. I still don't see the relationship with apelike humans outside of size as bigfoot is described to be built quite differently and quite hairy.
Almost anything can be explained by speculation - it's the hard facts that cannot be disputed. Just one body of a bigfoot, yeti, almasty or whatever you want to call it ends all this. I will certainly yield to those who believe when that happens but not before.
Must get back to work now. I'm envious - where do you guys find the time for all these postings???
I also see that many here seem to know
Deer Sweet Curious. Hmmm, as I wiped the La Mer moisturizing cream from my wind burnt squatched-out face darling I noted your comments and questions. Perhaps a better name for you would be Conclusory or Speculative. Answers, if I submit, I will and if its something other than unknown primate, ie Human or Horse, will I accept Dr Sykes' results. Most certainly my dear, you see, I Science. As to the questions of giants and religious matters posted to Joe, Chuck, Tzieth and Daniel, I make no statements save one. I KNOW the giants answer. I told one Joe Fitzgerald of Wales, as he stumbled home from the pub on Guy Fawkes day exactly what that was. It's OK to be Curious darling. I like Bowie too. M
DeleteCurious...
Delete" My question is IF you submit it and IF it comes back as anything other than unknown primate will you accept his results? Most of the others who had their samples tested on those shows did not."
The people in the Bigfoot Files, apart from Igor Burtsev who you can argue was right about Zana in the end, had very little problem with the results of the DNA sequencing, in the way of accepting them? This is quite an odd thing for you to suggest?? There is a difference between being dissapointed and accepting of something, and though I'm not sure of your intention, you blurring those two reactions does not make that real.
If Mike's results do not turn out to be what they are, then that will be disappointing for numerous reasons (possibly financial being the main), however to suggest that enthusiasts invest religious faith into this subject.. which is what you are implying I'm sure, is again very typical.
"Also I am curious if Joe, Tzieth, Alpha Dog are of religious persuasion."
It is in fact the single most ignorant thing in the world ignore facts and evidence and then suggest the people who are trying to defend honest scientific research are mere religious in basis. As I said the other day... The Virgin Mary don't leave tracks. This is something you people do, to sensationalize the subject in order to bypass countering evidence and claims. You are a liar sir, if you think that we are to believe that you would really like this creature to be real, then you wouldn't compare it to leprechauns... This is not the actions of someone who, for to be of the mindset to welcome the news, would first in fact be open to the idea. You, are clearly not.
Yellow Journalism Examples -
Delete*Spanish American War - Yellow journalism helped to push Spain and the United States into war in 1898. The Maine, a US battleship, sunk from an explosion. Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst published false articles about a plot to sink the ship, thereby increasing tensions.
*Samsung and Apple court case - A story claimed that Samsung paid a $1.2 billion settlement to Apple in nickels. The story originated as comedy, but an American journalist published it as true.
*Baby Snatched by Eagle - This headline grabbed attention but the accompanying video was shown to be a fake.
*World War I photo - The photo shows a man in front of a firing squad and the caption said the man was an enemy spy. The photo was a fake and the photographer was actually posing as the spy. It has since been used as a photo from WWII.
*Prime Minister called a traitor - ABC News reported that Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu called Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin a traitor; but, the report was false.
*OJ Simpson - Live reporting of the chase and capture of Simpson sensationalized this tragic case after Simpson was accused of murdering his ex-wife.
*Tiger Woods - The news media had a heyday with the story of his affairs, including interviewing sex addicts.
*Heidi Fleiss - She was convicted of prostitution and tax evasion and became very well known due to the media coverage.
*Botox mom - This story of a mom giving her daughter Botox and waxings to keep her looking young was a hoax. The Sun, a British tabloid, paid her $200 to say she did it.
*Octamom - A former stripper gave birth to octuplets and became a media sensation.
*Crazed woman chases Brad Pitt - The headline is an eye catcher but she was really just running after him to take a picture.
"In many ways this era (late 1800's) foreshadowed the rise of the internet. Paper became drastically cheaper in the late 1800s, leading to a flourishing of the lower-end publishing business. Suddenly thousands of people had a forum for their views and stories that had previously been non-existent. Both Hearst and Pulitzer’s newspapers were dirt-cheap and appealed to the working classes of the era. More established papers such as the New York Times and the New York Press scoffed at the upstarts (the New York Press made the first accusation of “yellow journalism”), but the success of their methods was undeniable."
Ok... Let's now look at the New York Times press releases of the time relating to the subject matter...
Delete"On 10 August 1891, the New York Times reported that scientists from the Smithsonian Institution had discovered several large "pyramidal monuments" on Lake Mills, near Madison, Wisconsin. "Madison was in ancient days the centre of a teeming population numbering not less than 200,000," the Times said. The excavators found an elaborate system of defensive works which they named Fort Aztalan.
"The celebrated mounds of Ohio and Indiana can bear no comparison, either in size, design or the skill displayed in their construction with these gigantic and mysterious monuments of earth -- erected we know not by whom, and for what purpose we can only conjecture," said the Times.
On 20 December 1897, the Times followed up with a report on three large burial mounds that had been discovered in Maple Creek, Wisconsin. One had recently been opened.
"In it was found the skeleton of a man of gigantic size. The bones measured from head to foot over nine feet and were in a fair state of preservation. The skull was as large as a half bushel measure. Some finely tempered rods of copper and other relics were lying near the bones."
Giant skulls and skeletons of a race of "Goliaths" have been found on a very regular basis throughout the Midwestern states for more than 100 years. Giants have been found in Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Kentucky and New York, and their burial sites are similar to the well-known mounds of the Mound Builder people.
DeleteThe spectrum of Mound builder history spans a period of more than 5,000 years (from 3400 BCE to the 16th CE), a period greater than the history of Ancient Egypt and all of its dynasties.
There is a "prevailing scholarly consensus" that we have an adequate historical understanding of the peoples who lived in North America during this period. However, the long record of anomalous finds like those at Lake Delavan suggests otherwise.
The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up -
Has there been a giant cover-up? Why aren't there public displays of gigantic Native American skeletons at natural history museums?
The skeletons of some Mound Builders are certainly on display. There is a wonderful exhibit, for example, at the Aztalan State Park where one may see the skeleton of a "Princess of Aztalan" in the museum.
But the skeletons placed on display are normal-sized, and according to some sources, the skeletons of giants have been covered up. Specifically, the Smithsonian Institution has been accused of making a deliberate effort to hide the "telling of the bones" and to keep the giant skeletons locked away.
In the words of Vine Deloria, a Native American author and professor of law: "Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past."
Sources:
DeleteAnon. "Strange Skeletons Found: Indications that Tribe Hitherto Unknown Once Lived In Wisconsin," New York Times, 4 May 1912
Anon. "The Wisconsin Mounds: Interesting Relics of Pre-Historic Civilization" New York Times, 10 August 1891
Curious...
"If one searches you can find reports of flying monsters, sea and lake monsters as well as mysterious airships. What they all have in common is no collaborating proof that these things actually existed except in the mind of the author."
I have something to put to you Curious... Not only does your theory of yellow journalism not fit the 'spin' you put on content output typical of the New York Press of the time, but neither does your sensational comparisons to lake monsters and airships fit in the professional studies that have INUMERABLE other examples to back them up. This is ignored... I can, after this, find other such cases that if you even take away 90% of them and label them as hoaxes, still leaves remarkably detailed pieces of information that are not hoaxed unless you want the to be hoaxed.
Curious ...
"... it's the hard facts that cannot be disputed."
Well it appears they can be. The power of denial when applied to twisting the truth, is something I detest more than anything in the world. Mr Curious, you are a gentleman however, and mean as little disrespect as possible.
Peace.
Well written Joe. They'll be calling for our heads now. Like Arles Hrdlicka when challenged about these skeletons we will be relegated to discussions of whether we should be banned for being overly verbose in our outing. Heresy they'll cry. Beautifully written. Joes Comment will NOT be removed by the Author!!!!
DeleteMuch respect Mike... And as for Hrdlicka; these people will be exposed to his evil doings soon enough.
DeleteMuch respect my friend.
1807-1867 — Sightings reported at Khalkha, the Galbin Gobi and Dzakh Soudjin Gobi as well as in Inner Mongolia; also at the Gourban Bogdin Gobi, Chardzyn Gobi and the Alachan desert.
ReplyDeletemid 1800s — A wild reddish-black hair covered woman with both mongoloid and negroid features, dark skin, broad body, large hands and feet and a sloped forehead, was allegedly captured in the western Caucausus region of Abkhazia, mid 1800s — A wild reddish-black hair covered woman with both mongoloid and negroid features, dark skin, broad body, large hands and feet and a sloped forehead, was allegedly captured in the western Caucausus region of Abkhazia, and given the name Zana or Zanya. According to accounts, she was very physically powerful, able to perform feats of exceptional strength. While in captivity, Zana was passed on through a succession of owners, including noblemen, and mothered several children (she was reputed to have a fondness for wine, which supposedly played a role in her pregnancies). According to the story, she had as many as 6 offspring, by different men. Of these, the first 2 perished, due to Zana washing them in cold water after birth. The other 4 survived with the help of the local village women, who took care of the children. They were fairly normal, except for being dark and physically powerful, and grew up accepted among the villagers. Each of these children reproduced and allegedly had descendants throughout the region, up to nowadays. Zana died sometime in the 1880s.
1881 — As almost to confirm Hans Schiltberger's journal, a Russian named Nicholai Przewalski rediscovered the horses the sizes of asses and called them, of course, the "Przewalski horses"; he also reported seeing 'wildmen' in Mongolia in 1871.
Delete1906 — Badzar Baradiin, while on a caravan at the desert of Alashan, reports seeing an "hairy man standing on the top of a sand dune, outlined against the sunset." After being approached by the Imperial Russian Geographical Society's president and asked not to publish the incident, Badzar complies, but relays the information about his sighting to a personal friend, Mongolian professor Tsyben Zhamtsarano, who in turn begins a lengthy and determined investigation of the Almas.
1907-1940 — Professor Tsyben Zhamtsarano compiles eyewitness' accounts and recruits an artist to draw the likeness of the Almas based on the gathered descriptions. He also plots sightings locations and dates on a map of the region. After being imprisoned in Russia for a number of years, the professor dies in 1940. His files vanish, and are rumored confiscated by the authorities.
1910 — Russian zoologist V. A. Khaklov reports meeting a Kazakh herdsman who claimed that he had once observed a female Almas over a period of several weeks. She had been captured by some farmers and chained to a mill, he said, and was later set free. Her physical description contained nothing new, but Khaklov learned rare details of her behavior. According to the herdsman, the creature was usually quite silent, but she screeched and bared her teeth on being approached; she also had a peculiar way of lying down, or sleeping, squatting on her knees and elbows and resting her forehead on the ground with her hands folding over the back of her head. She would eat only raw meat, some vegetables and grain, and sometimes insects which she caught. When drinking water, she would lap in animal fashion, or sometimes dip her arm into the water and lick her fur.
Cut to 2013. Wild proto human sees Bigfoot on ranch. Film.....at 11:00
DeleteDamnnnnnnn joe is getting destroyed in here today! The humanity!
ReplyDeleteLearn something bro... I can help you...
DeleteWell I would like to learn about this creature but you never present any actual evidence of it. So when a world class genetist says no unknown primate in North America am I supposed to instead listen to your rants on here?
DeleteNo... What you can do is realise that a bunch of sequenced bear DNA does not mean another creature does not exist.
DeleteTo conform to that is merely closure desperation and not looking at the evidence you claim isn't there. Denial can eat away at a man; let it go.
Hmmmmm. Saying I found no evidence in my limited sampling isn't quite saying no unknown primate in North Anerica. But I did catch a fish --------- big!!!
DeleteLimited sampling? These were the best of the best. It puts forward an excellent case that bigfoot claimants are full of shit.
DeleteDefine Best of the Best. Smejas saltwater boots. Mullis' mullet. I'm not sure that's correct. The fact that he's still taking samples does say something I think.
DeleteGLAD YOU CAME BACK.....E.L.O..LONG TIME NO HEAR THEM.
Delete"Oh aoooo, Telephone line , give me some time, I'm living in Twiiiiilight!"
DeleteXANADU.
DeletePgf was a bloke in a monkey suit
ReplyDeleteso was your mommy^
Delete3:30 #TwerkTard approved
DeleteFrom the BFRO report:
ReplyDelete"Unfortunately the photos didn't come out all that clear, this is the best one"
followed by low resolution photo of indistinct object obscured by foliage...
This is an example of a BFRO Class A sighting in which they claim "the potential for misinterpretation is very low".
Well when you are trying to categorize sightings of a creature that doesn't exist then what do you expect?
DeleteThey say a bigfoot is to intelligent to shoot. But is is not to intelligent to take a photo of? Maybe they can't be shot because they do not exist and the videos are just hoaxed. this one looks like a tree trunk. There will be a logical explanation for every encounter. They say 95% of cases can be explained. That leaves 5%. Now Reasons for the non explainable. Paranormal activity is one possible explanation for the lot. Rocks being thrown pine cones being thrown. Eyes spotted at night. All this is explainable by paranormal activity. The other explanation is that they are out right lairs.
ReplyDeleteAnd Joe before you go and list a whole pile of professionals that make up the encounters. There are lairs in all professions. from your burger maker telling you the patty is fresh right up to the president telling you that he is only looking after you and your community.
And who are we to believe that nobody has actually shot a Bigfoot? You?? There are in fact many accounts of Bigfoot being shot... This may be news to you???
DeleteReasons for the non explainable are not suggested to be paranormal, that is you trying to lessen the small percentage of accounts as meanigless, when in fact you have schooled yourself for bringing that very fact up. Just because you cannot explain something, it is in your nature to merely compare it to sensationalist examples, but that all you achieve.
Evidence doesn't lie... Only in the people who are hell bent in denying it with no other means of countering it.
Fear is your problem bro, let it go.
Biological evidence doesn't lie, circumstantial evidence can be full of untruths and biased information.
DeleteUnfortunately that's all you have though, PJ, circumstantial evidence.
There is no defining evidence pointing towards a great ape roaming through the woods. If this were the case it would be international news. They try come up with evidence and come out with bear. No this does not disprove the existence of bigfoot although the share lack of evidence does. Tell me do you believe in the paranormal? Have you studies demonic spirits? If you had you would know that they can take any shape or form. Most commonly a great ape or a black dog. They can throw objects cause grievous bodily harm and even kill. Now there main objective is scare any thing and any one away. Sound familiar? Other explanations could be hallucinations, paranoia or your eyes playing tricks on you.
DeleteCrampz...
DeleteExactly!! And there are inumerable accounts of that biological evidence being documented. Wake you couple that with the other sources of evidence there is, then only a very scared denialist would ignore that. Keep babbling like some therapeutic exercise boyo... You still haven't explained why an paper trail would lead to the Smithsonian, and requesting skeletal remains in the face of an obvious cover up won't make me fleet that.
You avoid the alternative theory and you avoid explaining why research studies of the 19th would lie about it.
Schooled.
There is no defining evidence? Yaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnn!!! Ghosts didn't leave tracks and sure as heck don't cause archeological and anthropological research groups to lie. Laughable and obvious and comparing this stuff the ghosts is all you have, as opposed to challenging anything we have.
Boring.
You're so fucking worked up that you can't even see the difference between anonymous posters and me.
DeleteFrothing at the mouth at the complete lack of biological evidence, I see.
You are the least of my worries Crampz, and I merely forgot to put 'anon...' Into the comment.
DeleteWhat could I possibly be bothered about the same old 'no evidence' posts you do? If anything I find your posts entertaining; a source of Hudini-ism if you will. Quite fascinating.
Peace.
I really hope no one is going to tune into finding bigfoot this season. They really need to cancel that show. Just a bunch of hogwash accounts that never amount to anything. Oh and no race of giants ever.
ReplyDeleteI like getting nothing
DeleteIrony-Joe and Daniel/Mike Honcho get banned.
ReplyDeleteMike B saves their ass.
Mike B makes a bet on Sykes.
Mike B loses bet on Sykes.
Mike B leaves.
Wow,just wow.
Mom, just mom.
Deleteyep,your mom was a whore last night fer sure
Delete5:12. Lets follow this logic out. Mike B reappears on Jackson Mo thread. Then Mike B actually goes to Jackson Mo. There he marries a girl with prominent brow ridge and huge occipital lobes with extra bone in her neck which allows her to perform specific oral act heretofore unheard of by modern science. Now that's irony!
DeleteHey joe... do you even science?
ReplyDeleteSykes does... Schooled.
DeleteYou mean you are schooled surely. After all he said no bigfoot.
DeleteBigfoot is looking at your taterhole.Make sure you lube that brown eye or you will regret it. Unless you're into pain,then let him at it.
DeleteRead all 127 comments. My conclusion is: This Daniel Campbell guy has severe personal and mental issues. By the comments Daniel, you need to look to your girlfriend. She's spreading her legs and opening her mouth all over town. No wonder all the Black guys are walking around smiling!
ReplyDeleteWhatever you believe my flaws are, at least I don't claim cover up on everything and can back my claims up with actual science and replication.
DeleteYou struggle with the arrows that point to a cover up, you struggle with the written documentation of a cover up... The cover up theory is the wasp buzzing away at your basement window whilst you become the Hudini equivalent of explaining anything at your desktop.
DeletePeace.
I use my iPhone thank you.
DeleteConspiracies are the weakest form of no proof.
You're no different than 9/11 truthers, MIB UFO cover ups, chemtrail nuts, and ancient astronaut enthusiasts.
You all wear the same tin foil hats.
Crampz...
DeleteConspiracies are not the weakest form of no proof when you have documented evidence of it being so. You still do not offer an explanation why these coultless studies would suggest that the remains go to the same place?
When you come across remains, it is law to go through the State archeologist, amongst other high ranking people. There is also accounts where native representatives have been summoned and in turn rightfully requested the remains be covered back up.
You offer nothing except 'whack-job' theories and offer nothing in the way of explanations. People don't just point to things and make things up for convenience; there are bread crumb trails that are similarly followed in all other types of investigative research, that are excepted by the same people who have double standards or agendas to dismiss without any consideration for the facts.
Peace.
No we do not Daniel. Mine is more of a Sherlockian type. Not exactly ....but very close.
DeleteThese people that say they saw a bigfoot... people may say misidentifications but no most of the time they are just outright lying looking for attention.
ReplyDeleteAlso whenever someone says "it definitely wasnt a bear" your bullshit meter should be off the charts. They blatantly just saw a bear.
Congrats, you solved the mystery, we can all go home.
Delete(Sigh)
You should give people a little more credit for what they see.
DeleteBut - yea..this picture looks like something the size of a raccoon or something ? Jeesh.
No you need to take it a little further than bear. If someone says bigfoot you're taterhole alarm should go off like a buck during rutting season.
ReplyDeleteJoe thinks 911 was an inside job
ReplyDeleteHundreds of missing people that nobody's allowed to talk about?
DeleteYou must remember that for thousands of years, the natives have spoken about Bigfoot taking people.
Coincidence that they don't want to talk about Bigfoot and they don't want to talk about missing people??
Peace.
Disappointing Dan is being extra disappointing today.
DeleteJoe is on a highway to the mulder zone
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ReplyDeleteWhatchu talkin bout Willis?
ReplyDeleteSykes + Zana DNA = Oprah
ReplyDelete168 comments? Really? Please ban Joe.
ReplyDeleteAnd MB and Dan C. Ban 'em! Restore some order here, Shawn. Come on.
ReplyDeleteI think all three have today off from work.
DeleteLets Ban Brookreson, censor Fitzgerald and unleash Campbell!
DeleteNo, just ban Campbell.
DeleteMore nothing.
ReplyDeleteThere must be hundreds of bigfoots in dat pee-chur
ReplyDeleteyou win the worst bigfoot photo ever
ReplyDeletecongrats!.
Anybody seen any of those zipperheaded gooks around here?
ReplyDeleteOooooooooooooooEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeOooooooooooooooo
Ho Chi Min !
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