Watch: The Bigfoot Chasers Are Back! Joe and Craig recreate the Patterson-Gimlin film


In this latest episode of Bigfoot Chasers, Joe and Craig attempt to recreate the famous Patterson-Gimlin footage. These guys are hilarious!



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  1. Two words:

    Ancient fucking aliens.

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    1. Three words:

      Who gives a fuck

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    2. Who gives a fuck?

      A strange breed of human who get so bent out of shape over what guys post on a bigfoot forum.

      Just the mere mention of DWA, Sweaty Yeti, Mulder or Bill Munns send these guys into a hate filled frenzy...

      And they say footers are weird?

      MMG

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    3. MMG told us all sykes would not be writing a paper if he had nothing.

      He told us we should expect him deliver the proof.

      In other words he is full of shit and doesn't have a fucking clue.

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    4. We still don't know the long term results of some samples that 'have nothing to do with humans, bears or apes'... And this is most certainly not going to be made public in a documentary series and has to be peer reviewed... So pipe down or if Sykes should deliver a bombshell, you might have an apology to make.

      Peace.

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    5. Once again for Joe.

      King of Reality here Mr. Fartzgerald with a dose of REALITY! Why the hell do you always say "cop out," when people clearly rebut your confused ramblings of unproven evidence and complete hearsay. It is YOU who always cops out because you clearly have nothing better to do than bring up anything but hard evidence. It must suck going through your existence knowing that all you have is the tiniest shred of anything as far as proof. There really are some great videos, but that is all they are. They can not be proven, or unproven so that my little boy is a wash. As far as your DNA you are batting .000 and if you know anything about percentages...well that just sucks shit from the tailpipe. Until you can actually bring something to the table, you are the one that is a complete cop out. The existence of something like Bigfoot would be downright amazing! But until you actually bring something to the forefront that hasn't been validly debunked, picked apart, or just downright destroyed with logical thinking and science...you are screwed in this debate. Just because you believe it, it does not make it true, and you HAVE to bring something better, than "dermal ridges". Bring something up that can not be a hoax, because again, it is all TOO circumstantial. Foot prints with dermal showing is great, and very cool, but it leaves too much to be desired as far as actual hard proof. I'm trying to actually be nice here, and I know you will take it as an attack, but come on Joey...get with reality boy.


      So Sayeth The King!

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    6. Ha!

      It amazes me that this King of Reailty talks of cop outs when I have yet to read anything worth countering them from him... That is reality and the biggest cop out is spurting out that stuff as opposed to actually putting the money where is mouth is and actually counter the points as opposed to saying they have been countered without a counter point back... If these things were fake then they wouldn't leave tracks with dermals, communicate a transcribed language, yield unclassified DNA, are filmed on ocassions, have tens of thousands of eye witnesses (much of them multiple person), or have a 100 years of printed news media of skeletal remains in libraries up and down the country... Those things wouldn't be there and if you really think it would be great for this creature to be real, then you wouldn't ignore those sources or ignore the fact that just because some clown cant stick around attention span wise to listen the counter points to those counter points, doesn't make those points debunked.

      That is 'reality' is the fundementals of a discussion blog. In your 'reality' you might be able to spout out your crap and expect it to be gospel with no BS call back... But this is Bigfoot and you are in my yard. If you don't like it, then go away.

      That is reality young man... And you don't like me because of it.

      If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen... King Klown.

      Schooled.

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    7. still fails to produce a single piece of evidence of a magic ape^

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    8. (Sigh)

      (Laugh at the unlearnable)

      If you can't debunk those sources, then it's evidnece.

      (Giggle)

      Peace.

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    9. there is nothing to debunk ya jackass

      what you need to do is prove your position

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    10. Oh and King Klown... More 'reality'...

      You only come on here to laugh at bullies and trolls, you don't like me cause I deal with that riff-raff daily... If you don't like it, do one.

      Schooled.

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    11. Prove my position?

      Patty and Russian Yeti.

      "I'm the numpty that can't explain those two pieces of footage... Welcome to Jackass."

      Schooled.

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    12. @ 12:03:00 PM

      You must understand Joe believe his is a paranormal man-thing. Because of that he makes up the rules as he goes. You will get nowhere with him. It is the same thing as discussing the bible with a fundamentalist. They/He are never going to be wrong about anything. It is you who is wrong for refusing to accept Sasquatch as your lord and savior. To them this is a religion.

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    13. Religion?

      Burger King has given up trying to sell his crap and debate me, so he resorts to sensationalist comparisons... The actions of someone with nothing left.

      Go back to flipping burgers liar boy... You've been served too many times it seems.

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    14. Hi Joe. King of Reality here. You did exactly what I said you would do. You deflect, dodge, and try to escape, but I will not let you. You reply to all people as if it were me typing it, so I guess I am heavy on your mind little one. Now back to what I said.....

      I'll wait for you to actually bring real evidence, as all your claims have been countered, and destroyed. Now also like I said...there are some great videos, but they neither prove nor disprove Bigfoot, so that is really unfortunate in the grand scheme of things.As far as DNA as much as you like to pretend there has been some, there really hasn't, and that lesson will now be considered over. So do not bring it up anymore as the argument is null and void. I will once again point out that tracks with dermal showing is excellent evidence, but again with there not being anything conclusive as far as registered DNA from that same sight, and the proving and admittance of many of those being a hoax, it thins out your argument. I seem to really be missing where I do not counter your garbage filled rants. Actually what I'm starting to see is you running scared, and making SHIT up as you go you absolute imbecile. You have brought nothing to the table Ian. So shut your pie hole, unless you have something intelligent to say.

      Suck my Scepter.

      So Sayeth the King.

      PS: I'm just waiting on good evidence because Bigfoot would be awesome. You just seem to fail at everything you do...especially this.


      Sick sick schooling of an amazingly retarded fake Brit

      Sigh on that smoke city. .

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    15. Touchet!!! That the best in depth analysis of "Mr. Giggles" ever. Bravo!

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    17. I could analyze even more if you like. But I will wait for Joey's bull crap response as to why I dodged something, and call me a troll, and how skeptics are idiots. Is it so bad to want some excellent proof over just circumstantial proof? Joe is what is wrong with Bigfoot and the community, and he is an utter and complete hoax of a man. If he spent more time reasoning versus yelling at everybody in gibberish, this site wouldn't lack intelligent conversation. While kind of "dickish," at least MMG and Dan Campbell bring something to the table besides..
      The followiung is a sample of Joe's banter:
      " HO HO HO...YOU REFUSE TO REBUTTAL ME, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE VERY VALID POINTS IN THERE! I KNEW YOU WOULD DO THIS. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME! I AM JOE FARTZGERALD IN FANCY OL' ENGLAND, JUST MAKING IT UP ASS I GO!!!

      SIGH
      SCHOOL SMOKE GASP GIGGLE
      HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

      While not exactly what he says....I think most of you would agree that it translates to roughly the same thing right?
      Yeah it gets real frickin old real quick to almost everyone who reads from this Joe Tardgerald.

      Suck on your own medicine for once dip stick.


      The King

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    18. When it comes to Klowns like you, I really, really thank the lord for cut and paste...

      There have been plenty of hair samples that have come back unmatched to anything else. The Skookum cast hair samples? The Pangboche Yeti hand tissue samples came back “near human, but not human,” in other words, “almost human” in 1991.

      Null and void? No... Because in adult debate you now have to provide evidence for those samples I have referenced fake... See how this works?

      There are too many first time prints that have a similarity in style of dermal ridging in the same way that two sets of finger prints from opposite sides of the country would look similar in style at first, regardless of apparent uniqueness under analysis. These casts cannot be explained away with desiccation because they have scar tissue and toe bending that many people who have done proper analysis have sited as the creature gripping into earth. There is a clear difference between desiccation marks and complex dermal markings. You can look for yourself on any image search engine and the fact that some have sited some casts that have been made poorly by amateur casters (these are mostly untrained civilian researchers, not perfectionists), as the main source to disprove such is at best desperate and ignorant of the wider picture of the sometimes difficult process it is to extract such prints. What a one in a billion lottery win chance that would be to somehow get the same pattern decades apart from opposite sides of the country?! The pouring of liquid into a cast can make desiccation wrinkles yes, but when done by amateur casters and there is so, so much more casts to counter that argument. Explain casts that are attained 40 miles into the interior of wilderness areas? The hoaxers would have to be either psychic or mind controllers to predict to the exact yard where the researchers are going to be to the exact moment eh? Furthermore, there is now a branch of wildlife biology that identifies new species' by the tracks they leave.

      Null and void? No... Because in adult debate you now have to provide evidence that the source I have referenced fake... See how this works?

      All of a sudden... Unless you can debunk the counter points I presented you, then you have your legitimate dermals and DNA.

      Null and void? No... Because in adult debate you now have to provide evidence that notion that you trapped yourself into now doesn't matter... See how this works?

      "I seem to really be missing where I do not counter your garbage filled rants."

      ... HA HA HA!! I tell you what you are missing... The understanding and basic mental capacity for you to now counter my counter points. See how this works?? I doubt it... And I love it.

      Now let's see who deflects, dodge, and try to escape, an I am not gonna let you.

      King Klown has been taught how to debate in the adult world... Now let's see him snake around replying to the points I've put to him...

      King of what????????

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    19. Cue a whole pile of crap of how this retard knows 'reality' (when he doesn't even understand the debating process and has to have it pointed out to him)... With a pile of crap about avoiding stuff. Let's see him worm his way out of this one.

      Let me guess; "HOAX THIS, HOAX THAT"... That is denial and not the actions of someone who 'wants' this creature to be real... You only come on here to laugh at bullies and trolls, you don't like me cause I deal with you and that riff-raff daily.

      Let's see him counter the counter points I've put to him...

      King Who???

      Schooled.

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    20. Bottom line is joe can not prove bigfoot exists.

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    21. Oh... And in comparison to your small mind and small level literacy skills, I would see m like I'm making it as I go along... But there is nothing I state on here that I can't back up with expert opinion and research... And... I just plain old know more than you.

      Because you are stupid, not the King of... I forgot again???

      What a social reject. No wonder my ego is this big with Klowns like this dribbling about the place.

      (Sigh)

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    22. King of your answer. Give me the peer reviewed paper of the DNA. A link? Some proof of this besides people just ya know....saying it happened...ha!
      Secondarily Joe, again you seem to lose out on this "ADULT DEBATE" I have said there are some great videos and such, but you refuse to recognize that while they COULD BE REAL they could also very well BE FAKE. That's what you decide to deflect and dodge. Again proving my point so thank you. What you continuously fail to realize in the world of SCIENCE which you like to bring up a lot....is things have to be proven FIRST...not the opposite. Take physics for instance. You see Newton and Einstein didn't say "Gravity exists, now disprove that." They actually backed up their claims. So you my friend have failed miserably. And by bringing this point up I have now destroyed completely your bull crap claims over and over of..."Prove it is not."
      YOU HAVE TO PROVE SOMETHING FIRST...THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT AND YOUR CLAIMS DO NOT HOLD TRUE IN THE REAL WORLD...EVEN IF YOU WANT IT TO.
      As far as your prints do I need to cover it again? Hell I hope not. They really are great evidence, but the problem lies in coordinating other evidence WITH THEM. Please do not ignore this point again. Just re-read if you need too. You can keep typing that I'm not countering you over and over, and much like your belief in this creature it doesn't make it true. (Now that was a good one. Even you can admit that being funny right Joey?)


      DIDN'T THINK SO.

      KING OF THAT BITCH.

      SCHOOLED.


      The King

      PS: Just for you (Yawn)

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    23. Just a quick reply to boost my feelings about myself so I can counter this argument I'm having with myself. YES THAT MADE ME FEEL GOOD. YEAH THAT SHOWED WHOEVER I'M ARGUING WITH. YEAH! TAKE THAT! SIGH YOU DIDN'T REPLY I TWO SECONDS.

      (Impression of Joe)


      Love,

      The King

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    24. ^Joe trying to post real fast not realizing he got schooled above.....AGAIN!

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    25. I'm still waiting Joe.


      The King

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    26. ^^^^You see how silly that looks when you bring up "Adult Debate" ?

      Just thought I'd school you one more time by showing how silly you are by posting like that. D-bag.


      The King.

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    27. Looking like Joe got smoked into oblivion. He probably sent an email to Shawn to cry about it.

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    28. Oh dear... Let's go back and read something... Let's...

      "There have been plenty of hair samples that have come back unmatched to anything else. The Skookum cast hair samples? The Pangboche Yeti hand tissue samples came back “near human, but not human,” in other words, “almost human” in 1991.

      Ok... Read that this time? This is the problem; it is very, very, very easy for people to suggest post sequencing, that Bigfoot DNA is contaminated. Numpty's like you very, very, very deliberately ignore the fact that a large percentage of enthusiasts now except this creature to be a type of human. It is here that numpty's conveniently adhere to the old bipedal gorilla theory as opposed to what is really the case.

      And who would take a peer review for hominid DNA seriously eh? You have to have a fair playing field for something to be looked at in a fair light. If someone was to deliver you with such evidence you would merely snake out of it time and time again. It is the funniest thing in the world to me that people should require such things, ignore key information that is relevant to the make up of such a result, and then ask why these things haven't been peer reviewed?

      http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/dna-study-update-david-h-swenson-phd.html

      ... David H. Swenson, Ph.D. who is a Biochemist and has over 39 journal publications to his credit.

      “There is an unknown animal that appears to be some kind of a hybrid between a human and something else," Dr. Swenson said.

      “You read this DNA sequencing and you’re like, this could be a real animal?”

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    30. WHERE WAS YOUR COUNTER POINT ABOUT DERMALS???

      Newton, Einstein... Still no counter points about Dermals though?????

      Is this deflecting like you enjoy suggesting other's do?????

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    31. More BS.

      I've no more idea what Sykes paper will contain now than I did when I was supposed to make these claims.

      Don't mind taking some flak over the Sykes but don't make shit up please.

      MMG

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    32. Dermals AND unclassified DNA you have...

      A transcribed language, , film footage, tens of thousands of eye witnesses (much of them multiple person), or have a 100 years of printed news media of skeletal remains in libraries up and down the country...

      But you haven't successfully debunked Dermals AND unclassified DNA yet... You asked for a peer review but you didn't manage to prove that the results of the tests were not what they were?????

      Hello????????????????????

      Deflecting????????????

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    33. ^Joe and MMG...the best at making things up.

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    34. Dermals???????????????????? Let's just start with dermals.... Then we can go on to the next bunch....

      Peer reviews don't mean results are faked... It merely means the mainstream community won't acknowledge the results. That's pretty standard for us lot; but doesn't mean that DNA isn't what it is...

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    35. And what is your point exactly about footage... That you agree with me? Do you even know what you are talking about???

      HA HA HA HA!!

      Dermals?????? Let's start with dermals... Then we can go on to the other sources.

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    36. Poor Joe, keeps reiterating the same used up garbage that would never hold true in the real world. Silly Joe. You just do not get it. Should I copy and paste everything from above. My favorite point I made: AS MUCH AS YOU KEEP TYPING IT, IT DOES NOT MAKE THE EVIDENCE BETTER THAN CIRCUMSTANTIAL. THAT IS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS. I KNOW YOU DO NOT LIKE THAT, BUT THAT IS TOO BAD.
      This is the point Joe where instead of copy and pasting I tell you over and over to read again what has already been said to you, but you won't, and you will claim some kind of silly victory, while everybody else who reads this blog laughs at your silly retardation.
      SO READ THIS CLEARLY: YOUR "EVIDENCE" SUCKS. YOUR POINTS ALL HAVE BEEN COUNTERED BEFORE, AND YOU FAIL TO BRING ANYTHING NEW TO THE TABLE. NO REASON TO GO OVER IT AGAIN. YOU LOSE.

      GAME OVER BITCH.


      KING WINS


      MMG...I didn't make anything up, I actually said you are "dickish", like Dan, but you bring some decent conversation to the table. Unlike Joe. Nothing wrong with that.


      P.S. JOE IS STILL WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE BIGFOOT COMMUNITY. IF HE WAS A SKEPTIC HE WOULD BE JUST AS BAD.



      THE KING

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    37. Joe doesn't realize the dermal thing was covered by the king multiple times already.

      Total noob style.

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    38. And with that everyone the King Klown is schooled!!!!!!

      "SO READ THIS CLEARLY: YOUR "EVIDENCE" SUCKS. YOUR POINTS ALL HAVE BEEN COUNTERED BEFORE, AND YOU FAIL TO BRING ANYTHING NEW TO THE TABLE. NO REASON TO GO OVER IT AGAIN. YOU LOSE.

      GAME OVER BITCH."

      ... Counter my points then...

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    39. That's not 'game over' until you can counter the sources I have presented you...

      Game very much still on... That is unless you cannot counter the points and back things up with expert opinion like I can... Then it's game over for you...

      Dermals?

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    40. Hi Joe. I decided to take this part from earlier. There is a lot more, but I thought I would take this opportunity to blow your "Never counter" horse crap out of the water. Also in this post you will see that I am sympathetic to your evidence, just would like more, and would encourage the community to do better at gathering. The problem with you Joe is you are as bad as skeptic trolls....you just do not want to look at both sides and that little boy makes you a complete and utter HYPOCRITE!
      But anyways...see below:


      "Now also like I said...there are some great videos, but they neither prove nor disprove Bigfoot, so that is really unfortunate in the grand scheme of things.As far as DNA as much as you like to pretend there has been some, there really hasn't, and that lesson will now be considered over. So do not bring it up anymore as the argument is null and void. I will once again point out that tracks with dermal showing is excellent evidence, but again with there not being anything conclusive as far as registered DNA from that same sight, and the proving and admittance of many of those being a hoax, it thins out your argument. I seem to really be missing where I do not counter your garbage filled rants. Actually what I'm starting to see is you running scared, and making SHIT up as you go you absolute imbecile."


      Much love,

      The King

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    41. Points have been countered by myself multiple times. You just fail to read.


      Love,

      The King

      GAME OVER BITCH

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    42. Helloooooooooooooooo Klown??? You still awake???

      Game over?? Or game still on??? I'm waiting for counter points or I'm schooling you again Klown?????

      To go with dermals AND unclassified DNA you have...

      A transcribed language, , film footage, tens of thousands of eye witnesses (much of them multiple person), or have a 100 years of printed news media of skeletal remains in libraries up and down the country...

      But you haven't successfully debunked dermals OR unclassified DNA yet... You asked for a peer review but you didn't manage to prove that the results of the tests were not what they were?????

      Hello????????????????????

      Deflecting???????????? Again?????????????

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    43. I love squashing Joe.


      The King

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    44. Joe one of my favorite saying is this "You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink."
      You are the horse, but instead I'm trying to lead you to previous posts of mine up above in which you are trying to pretend don't exist. I can lead you my little dumb ass, but I can't make you read.
      NOW CONTINUE TO PRETEND THE TALKING POINTS AREN'T THERE, BECAUSE JOE AS MUCH AS YOU TYPE OVER AND OVER "deflecting, counter, blah, blah, blah" DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.
      The best part about this is there is a record of your retardation. FOREVER.



      The Super King

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    45. You are a hater, nothing more... If you wanted this creature to be real, you wouldn't ignore the facts or attack me like some butt hurt vendetta. I ruin the blog for people like you, no one else, because if it doesn't fit into your lovely little world, then it simply can't be real. You stumble on the first contradiction block when you admit that a subject as whacky as this could be real and then dismiss the evidence that people put together as 'not good enough'?

      Yeah that's right Klown... Run along again like you do every time you contradict yourself saying that anyone else avoids countering claims... You so far have made a little career out of it every time you dribble on to the keyboard about this blog.

      Schoooooooooooooooooooooooooled!

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    46. Remember Klown... You attacked me on this blog so don't sound so sorry for yourself, like such a victim or like you have had some ill treatment, like I said before...

      If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

      Goodnight.

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    47. Again Joe, stop making things up. You have proven you are the King of Assumption, and I am the King of Reality.

      Now go to bed young one.


      The King

      GAME OVER BITCH. ^^^READ ABOVE

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    48. Read above posts Joe. Try harder.

      Thought so.

      GAME OVER

      The King

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    49. Dermals??? Do you have an explanation for my points about dermals??? I don't see that??? Did you have anything for my points about DNA????

      I didn't see you counter those points??? I must have missed it, where are they???

      Yeah... Schooled.

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    50. Enthusiast point made...

      Skeptic counter point...

      Enthusiast counter point made...

      No skeptic counter point?

      Schooled.

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    51. Joe does your taterhole pucker or gape when you get schooled?

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    52. Joe, you've been told 100 times there is no credible literature describing this mythical "unknown primate dna"...I liked the Snel Lake episode too, but eventually the dna taken off the nail board turned out to be little ado about nothing..Sykes never mentions it, and I doubt he will reference any tests on it in his book or article...

      Casting artifacts can account for some of the alleged dermal ridges, but it is hard to say that explains all of them... The prints are the best tangible evidence, although they are not well organized and its been years since someone found any with possible dermal ridges.. If I am wrong about that please give me a reference...Thanks....

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    53. Joe, it amuses me when sceptics declare that something can't exist without a body to examine. You could say the same about any previously unknown animal. The shunka warak'in is the perfect example. The only known specimen was killed in 1886. Since then: no bodies, no bones, nothing. Before 1886, sceptics would have dismissed it as Ioway folklore.

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  2. HOW CAN YOU MEND A BROKEN HEART,HOW CAN A LOOSER EVER WIN, PLEASE HELP ME MEND THIS BROKEN MAN,AND MAKE MIKE BROOKRESON COME AROUND,DA DA DA LA LA LA LA LA LA DA DA DA DA DA DA,PLEASE HELP ME MEND THIS BROKEN HEART AND LET MIKE BROOKRESON COME AROUND,,,,DA DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAA........BEE GEES 1971

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  3. There's a lot of chubby hicks out there looking for bigfoot.

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  4. put more ad pics of women in t-shirts and star wars uniform panties ummmm. o! and a real bigfoot pic would be nic too considering this is a bigfoot blog

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  5. The leaping Yeti was an acrobat friend of the guy who filmed the clip. They were trying to get on the Russian version of True TV.

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    1. In my country we would tie up this acrobat and throw him from the top of the Kremlin. We would then celebrate with vodka and hookers.

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    2. We pay for them with credits we earn from the collective. Or with Bitcoin.

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  6. What is the possibility of a creature of Native American legend being real despite the lack of a living or dead specimen to study? Look no further than the shunka warak'in of the Ioway people. If one hadn't been shot and killed in 1886, it would be a mythical beast to this day. Since that single death, no more have been captured or killed. No remains have been found. It has vanished back into the domain of the sasquatch. Bigfoot is probably as real as the shunka warak'in prior to 1886. More evidence exists for the sasquatch now than for the shunka warak'in prior to 1886. Bigfoot is possible. History proves it.

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    1. A better reason for why it is possible is that paleontology proved that nature has produced at least one genus of bigfoot like creatures...

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  7. Joe you keep insisting all the evidence has not been disproven by the skeptics therefore it must be true. That makes no sense at all my friend. Whether you or I believe in something does not make any difference to whether it is true or not. The 'evidence' presented to date has not proven to be reliable enough to fully explain what Bigfoot is, so until that situation changes you will need to be open to the notion that the Bigfoot 'facts' you claim the 'haters' ignore are not known facts at all - an that is the reason your arguments keep getting jumped on. If you expect the skeptics to be open minded about some of the evidence then you also need to be open to the suggestion that some of that same evidence could be misinterpreted and/or hoaxed unless there is reliable proof of it's truth. For example the leaping russian yeti video you keep mentioning could easily be hoaxed but there is no way to prove it is true - therefore this video is not reliable evidence.

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