Dr. Melba Ketchum To Be Interviewed By George Knapp On Coast to Coast AM Tonight
Two and a half years ago, George Knapp sat down with Dr. Melba Ketchum and David Paulides to talk about the Bigfoot DNA project they were working on. Knapp said that in order to peek at Ketchum's research material, he was required to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement. For two years, he kept his silence and was not allowed to talk about what he had learned. Last December, Knapp wrote a blog post titled, "I’m dreaming of a Bigfoot Christmas", explaining the dilemma Ketchum would face if she tried to publish her "scientific paper":
The well-meaning Dr. Ketchum naively assumed that the world of science would welcome her data with open arms and open minds. Her initial draft of a scientific paper unwisely referred to the existence of a Bigfoot-like creature, and she was certain the information from her study would receive a fair hearing from the scientific world. My friend the microbiologist gave her the sad-but-true news that no mainstream science journal in the world would ever publish a paper, or allow for an honest peer review, of any paper that mentioned Bigfoot or Sasquatch by name. Unlike my TV prediction, that one proved prescient in the extreme.Tonight (2/17) on Coast to Coast AM, George Knapp will sit down with Ketchum again, probably to discuss the backlash from not only the Bigfoot community, but also the scientific community.
Ketchum posted on Facebook this morning: "Will be on Coast to Coast tomorrow night. I have sent documentation to George Knapp as supporting evidence."
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DeleteI wonder if he will ask her why the paper was unprofessional in format when she stated that she had people onboard who were familiar with submiitting such documents and every effort was being made to present a viable paper, it seems to me that either she did not listen to advice or that such professionals were in fact not in place.
I could suggest that either she was very naive or foolishly greedy in wanting to do as much work as possible on the paper so that she garnered any misconceived glory she could.
If the paper was reviewed and passed then said reviewers were not worth their salt.
I know it is easy to be wise in hindsight but presenting anything in this field has to be watertight and more diligent measures should have been applied before publishing.
Oya boya no wonder no one believes anymore I think I've heard 6 interesting shows on coast to coast they had to do with Edgar cayce well I mean all the shows are interesting but they were the only shows without callers that sounded completely nuts
DeleteYes when everyone thinks ypu are a nut-job, going on with George Knapp is a good way to regain credibility! LOL what a saga......
DeleteGeorge Knapp has the most credible hair helmet.
DeleteThe best thing she should do now is admit she didn't know the science to do a scientific paper. She could test the DNA, but a scientific paper of an unknown species is too much. Dr. Sykes and the Oxford team will have zoologists, geneticists, and all the science. And they won't mention bigfoot, because they don't have a bigfoot -- they only have some DNA. Even they won't be able to prove the existence of bigfoot, but they might open science to serious study of the questions the DNA raises.
DeleteLet me be clear, Ketchums paper was not kicked out because Science is not ready to acknowledge the existence of Bigfoot. It was kicked out because Ketchum was doing BAD science that did not support her theory in any way. Her paper was sloppy and the DNA sequences that she thought were evidence of a human hybrid were nothing more than an artifact of the DNA amplification process that geneticists see all the time. She could not even get the Hominid evolution tree diagrams correctly in her paper. Geez, I could even get that correct. It was nothing more than a high school level term paper and a bad one at that.
DeleteFor Ketchum to run around a cry fowl is nonsense just like her paper. I sincerely hope that George Knapp does not ask her softball questions.
Ken: Sorry H. B. I'm afraid both of us were duped by the Ketchum gal. She jumped in to gain some fame and fortune during the time of the HOAX my friend. I found some info about her through a friend of mine who is also a vet.. She recently has even scoffed herself at the actual belief in the mystery creature. This is the equivalent of pro wrestling in the scientific com. If such a beast exists, people like the Ketchum's Biscardi's and all these attention hounds will never be involved in actually aiding in it's acceptance and proof. Wild theories and stories only add to the mainstreams easy dismissal of the possibility. So for me it's all looking kinda like a great comedy portrayed to be a reality show. Hey great to see a post from a good fella with a cool head my friend, you have a great one Mr. Bandini.
DeleteMucho props to Anon 7:32...If more of US (sane, logical people) trying to help these poor Bigfooters the more success we'll have.
DeleteNo, Big props and totally surprised. to anon, Ken 7:35. You posted the most honest and best description, of what is actually going down in this community. It once was an actual journey for the truth and now it's a circus. I'm ashamed to part of it, and not because of my belief in this animal. Thanks ken, for a down to earth inconvenient truth.
DeleteThat's funny you say that ken I think it was like the third day after I found this site the believers and skeptics were way better organized I said the same thing that this reminds me of WWE for intelligent people
DeleteThe only scam would appear to be places this blog while all Ketchum did was search for the truth, she found the DNA (brought to her) and successfully studied it and to everyone's surprise actually cracked it. And how does the socalled community react? By embracing the results? No by biasly attacking and diverting with made-up friction scoffing at her press handling, etc. and ignoring what it's all about the lab results confirmed genuine by her peers. That journals, already part of mainstream science, apparently won't publish it means they're afraid of their own shadows and the power offices higher up - NOT that anything's wrong with the data. They were merely taken back that she cracked it, but it's to be expected from a system stuck in tradition and denial like the centuries haven't passed at all.
DeleteWon't work 7:32 your scam, her data and science is solid. This blog is basically the home of the deniers and detractors now.
DeletekEN: Great minds right lol. Good to see you around bro. lots of crazy stuff man. wwe smack down raw, all combined my friend. Spoke to Dyer last night, people gave me some good feedback but I just pushed him on it a little no big deal. It's all kinda more of the same to me Harry B. well heading to town, Where I live that's a big deal ya know. see you later Bandini the great ha ha, keep it in the Road my friend.
DeleteHey Ken if I'm still invited on the expedition make sure to drop me an email when your daughter sets it up for you
DeleteAttention:
DeleteBigfoot is BS has announced that she is one of the "sane, logical people." Please be aware that this is a common delusion of your typical skeptard. You may have noticed that Bigfoot is BS is one of the shrillest, most illogical, irrational commentators to appear on this blog.
People who profess rationality, sanity, logicality, are invariably the most irrational, insane, illogical members of any group.
Skeptards are over-emotional.
Ken: Nothing changed here brother, I'm going and you are welcome and invited to attend a REAl search in a wild place dood. I will contact you asap. She is about to drop me a new Grand baby, that's the delay. I got your info and name on the book.. Your one of the players (ELECTRICIAN) won't work without one, already been that rout, no pics of anything after a couple days in the bigwoods. gotta have a way to keep power man. gotta have a guy that knows what to do about it (YOU). thanks for keeping the faith bro.
Deletebig talk from someone that believes in a magic monkey^
DeleteKen: gotta be a friend that wants to be there, again you. H. B. 5 of us only. It will be good for the soul if nothing else. I can't wait man.
Deletecomment at 8.54 was directed at 8:38 the guy who got banned from JREF for being dumb.
DeleteCoast to Coast AM is where she belongs.
DeleteKen: so so sad to think a trip to the woods is BIG talk to others. Going to my backyard is not a life changing event, just a lot of fun with the right people along. I didn't believe in Majic Monkeys till I started reading this blog. And Big foot a possibility too. Good day Monkey 8:54
DeleteBiBS is a pompus, un-scientific, self-deluded clown. But she's right on this one. The Ketchum - Dyer - Biscardis of the world make believer footers look ridiculous... because they're SO ready to believe ANYTHING a hoaxer says.
DeleteOh yeah I'm ready to see for myself whether there's something to it or if it is just a hype but I wanna see for myself cause cry babies screaming in people's ears never got anything discovered know what I mean
DeleteKen: yea you and me both friend. Well it's a nice place, and the two only sightings that I personally have carnal knowledge of. And I found some things that were pretty odd, plus the trail, the depth it ran in the same direction, and yea it's a pretty cool place for anything to be that doesn't want to be seen ya know. you'll like it H. B., Plus if we don't find it after a sighting in the area, I'll give it up and be satisfied bro.
DeleteKen: sorry ANON 8:54 my bad bro...
DeleteHey it doesn't hurt to try and worst case scenario you can always come along on an expedition to figure out how Ed leed skalnin built coral castle that is one mystery I'm dying to solve
DeleteKen: and it's real no doubt.. sounds like a time to have my friend. It's good food for the mind to ponder such things of mystery ya know
DeleteNow THAT is cool.
DeleteJust to even think about it's cool as hell if I could make a device to lift a100 ton stone like a piece of styrafoam not only that but just because he did shoots down so much of the craziness passing for tv
DeleteKen: dood, that is almost impossible to fathom. the sheer enormity of that structure the understanding of physical engineering, and the ability to construct under constraint of time and elements. think of all that man. It's really an amazing thing. H.B.
Deleteharry, I've been to the coral castle. I do a lot of fishing out of Key Largo and have been there a few times during an off day. It's impressive. Do you think he used the earths energy grid in some way?
DeleteI've seen tons of craziness on here my one crazy opinion is just what he said I believe real gravity is just real magnetism I firmly believe that I will find this you tube video an aeronautical engineer dropped a neo dinium magnet through a copper pipe and it took the magnet like 3 secs to fall through a 1 ft piece
DeleteI don't think it has to do with ley lines think of earth like a magnet so north of the equator is positive south is negative so if you use magnetism to redirect the electrons that's my personal opinion
DeleteKen: cool to ponder, on a 100ton scale right. imagine that man.
DeleteCheck out his two main books on amazon they're cheap a book in every home and the other is something magnetism but yeah he gives you experiments and all to pretty much take you by the hand and show you the answer it's cool I've tried everyone of them and that's how I came to the conclusion north is positive south is negative
DeleteAren't you from NY rush
DeleteOr is that backwards I remember one is Ohio and the other NY
DeleteKen: just talked to a friend at the local library, big time into this stuff, he's given me the books. I'm going to enjoy reading this good stuff you recommended H. B. I'm From TN>> right outside the Great Smokies, not sure on rum..
DeleteYeah Ken I remember that rush is a good dude to I just get him and rum mixed up ones from Ny one is from Ohio
DeleteYeah driving back from fl I stopped in Chattanooga to sleep that was the first time I ate smokey bones that's how I remember you are by the smokey mtn my brain remembers by pictures like that for some reason
DeleteThat's one thing I wasn't surprised about my cholesterol being ridiculous
Deleteharry, interesting opinion, I'll do some research on that... I'm from southern Ohio, close to where Dallas and Wayne The Bigfoot Hunters reside.
DeleteOk now I'll remember yeah he gives you the experiment and he tells you exactly what your results should be by what side and your distance from the equator that's what got me to wonder cause why would he tell you that unless it's a clue as to why you should have these results
DeleteYeah when you guys read these books let me know that would be a great discussion oh and sorry congrats Ken on the soon new grand baby
DeleteKen: thanks my brother, She's really ready to go, we have all three of the others now. The Gravity, magnetic fields, and hyper or hypo excited electrons and polarity reversal, this is deep I mean DEEP Harry. I'm going to get lost in this shit, your fault for reminding me about it. I spent a week a few years ago fishing the keys and guiding a pharmacist. two days we let the fishing go and traveled and took photo's that is when I got started with the Castle quest.This is just something that you get lost in the possibilities and still end up in awe. Thanks for reminding me of some forgotten great adventures and subjects H. B.
DeleteThat's what I tell my wife she's the world traveler I say why travel the world we have just as many amazing mysteries right here we don't have to go to the edge of recorded history to find truly amazing things
DeleteKEN: correct. man, amazing place we live in. H. B. the people that doubt everything, how do they stay motivated to learn about anything.My drive to learn even at my age, is due to wonders like the castle. Possibility of atlantis. Ruin stones that have been found around my neck of the woods.All the great things that were accomplished by people with much less or hidden technology. It's amazing what we have right under our noses man.
DeleteI'm NY,peace
DeleteYeah right here in the middle of ill this guy was broke had all this land found a tunnel system no one believed him so he melted down the gold artifacts a few weeks later he has 15 mil in the bank and he said he didn't even inspect but like 15% of the tunnel system I don't get how people go through life with all their brick walls in their mind either
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DeleteAm I in the right place, is this the Ken and Harry show, look guys you obviously enjoy talking to one another so why don't you just use your emails you can even swop pictures and video if you want, here's how to do it, one of you open a free hotmail, yahoo, google webmail account post it here then you can use this as a one time account to swop your regular email addys and then close down the original webmail account.
I don't see anyone talkin about anything important so what's the problem
DeleteWhy no interview on mainstream media?
ReplyDeleteWhy do YOU think there have been no interviews with the mainstream media?
DeleteBecause they're instructed by the government not to debate it and when/if they do, on news programmes, treat it lightly with ridiculing ha-ha skeptardism. The only scammers here are the governments with the same old jiving silent act ever since Roswell, the US is really no more than just a nicer version of Iran seemingly open and free but it's still a police state.
DeleteSave it for Coast to Coast ya Zagnut.
DeleteSorry, truth hurts.
DeleteThat is precisely why you make up these giant conspiracy theories. The more reported sightings, the less credible it becomes because of the complete lack of physical evidence. Duh.
DeleteAnd the bigger it is the easier to hide, the Nazis did it successfully. Call it conspiracies if you like, fact is people are actually witnessing all sorts of yet unexplained (officially anyway) phenomenon and I'm just putting two and two together here realizing there must be some very good but top secret reasons for not telling us, sort of indicating we aren't looking for mere apes here.
DeleteO. M. G.
DeleteThe government has more important things to worry about than the existence of Bigfoot or unicorns or aliens. I doubt very much that higher ups in the military are going to be tuning into coast to coast to make sure that nothing important is said lol.
DeleteI wouldn't call anything successful that the Nazis did in the long run . . . . except for hiding bigfoot of course.
DeleteThe last straw breaks.
ReplyDeleteFourth...
ReplyDeleteCoast to Coast? Back to square one. Tell the greys and lizard men to scooch over.
ReplyDeleteI hope the kids who read this blog can stay up past their normal bedtime to listen to this interview.
ReplyDeleteThere are no kids on this blog anymore it's just grown ups trolling with a status quo agenda paycheck.
DeleteNo, because Shawn said he would beat them with a belt!
DeleteSpare the rod - spoil the Sasquatcher.
DeleteNotice that her "Peer Review" Paper has drawn a big stinkin' Ho-hum from the
ReplyDeleteNational Media. Dr. Melba is now relegated to sit with the rest of the wall flowers
at the Bigfoot Dance, y'know with Janice Carter Coy, Mary Green etc All alone and unloved BECAUSE SHE TOTALLY SCREWED IT UP!
Don't expect the Handsome and dashing Jeff Meldrum PHD to come to the rescue.
Too late for that. Now you must Sashay away Dr. Melba. And go quietly. Thank you.
When last seen, the handsome and dashing Dr. Meldrum was headed out over the Pacific in a strange, blimp-like contraption that had 'But My Stupid Book' emblazened on the side...
DeleteMelba does pay-per-view peer review.
DeleteShe "totally screwed it up" because she wrote a scientific paper about something that doesnt exist...and has no evidence to back her claims.
DeleteShe is another George Adamski....flying to Venus with the lovely swedish-model aliens.
Bullshit contradicts herself again in the same sentence even, first saying it doesn't exist (though clearly it does or Bullshit wouldn't be here) then saying there's no evidence to back it up. LOL Evidence there's plenty of you slimy turd it's the data in the paper.
DeleteShe didn't screw it up. She didn't have to background and methods to state that her results say what she thinks they say. You need scientists with the background in scientific research in a variety of areas to conservatively argue for what the evidence means or does not mean. No scientist can look at DNA sample results and say this is the thing walking around in the woods. When they find a full body, all of the scientific teams will do all of the testing and examination, and that is the only way to prove Bigfoot.
DeleteTheoretically yes, the serious obstacle though is that mainstream science already know about this species but aren't allowed to tell us by orders of the government just like NASA is a fake front for space science selling you dreams of brave shuttle explorers and rovers on Mars digging in the dirt for nothing.
DeletePlease, Bigfoot Oracle, tell us what NASA actually does...besides oppress the bigfoots and bigfootsers...
DeleteWhy, they lie of course knowing most people are incredibly naive and gullible you can spin them any tale basically as official truth coming from an authority figure they'll believe it, that's why they hate and must constantly fight those of us that know.
Deletezero evidence of bigfoot.
Deletejust a bunch of delusional liers.
Why is Bigfoot is BS in such a panic now that the paper is out? First she said ad nauseum that it would never appear. When Ketchum was good to her word, of course that's not good enough for any silly skeptard. Once it's out, she attacks the study only armed with a cursory knowledge of it.
DeleteAsk yourselves why the skeptards are in a panic. If all of this was nothing, they would just ignore it. Instead, they are obsessed with it, highly emotional, defensive, hyperventilating, stumbling and backpeddling on their cute little invisible bikes which they bleeve in, in a consuming panic about the publication of the study.
If 7 to 12 foot tall hairy monsters don't exist, what are the panicking skeptards doing here day after day for years on end?
Do they really believe they are superior and are here to instruct anyone who considers the existence of bigfoot in a course in reality? They want to be your friends and gently teach you "there's no such thing"? Do you appreciate this and wish to be "taught" by them?
Think on about what the skeptards' motives are, and why they are in a panic and obsessed. If they thought nothing of it, they wouldn't be here.
Bigfoot is BS needs to go back to doubtfulnews and stay there as she promised, claiming she would never comment on a bigfoot blog or site ever again. That resolution lasted about five minutes.
These people who claim superiority and science and logic and rationality really, frankly, stink. They are the most obnoxious ones of the lot. No matter how many times they are caught out or proven wrong, no fresh thought can enter through their concrete skulls and they keep on with their stubborn, embarrassing mental limitations.
Tard on, skeptards, tard on.
how much of your life did you use up writing all that bullshit...sheesh^^^^
DeleteHow about this for a reason: It is just pure fun to taunt an angry, fanatical, delusional, science-bashing, non-questioning believer such as yourself. Honestly, you guys just set yourself up for a smack-down. How can we resist?
Delete"Don't expect the Handsome and dashing Jeff Meldrum PHD to come to the rescue." @Anon5:17, That was hilarious, absolutely brilliant.
ReplyDeletelol@5:33
DeleteRobert Lindsay says he speaks to her. I hope she will discredit that master bullshitter once and for all. "I never spoke to him. He is a pathological liar, a real condition."
DeleteHelp us Rick Dyer. Your our only hope.
ReplyDeleteOur only hope is Enoch. Enoch ya! Where is he, MK Davies? Help us, please...
DeleteThose mean scientists are bias, against Bigfoot. They'll never allow them to be proven.
ReplyDeleteHah! DeNovojournal.com! They've got a website and EVERYTHING!
DeleteYou anonymous-minded nameless skeptoids think that several PhDs, though not widely known professors from classy universities, but still real PhDs from real institutions, together with highly experienced, trained and educated professionals from perfectly relevant labs and institutes, all earning money doing the same thing they did for the study, spent years on this, giving it a lot of effort and surely lot of thought (understatement of the year), spent loads of someone’s money and countless work hours, and in the end put their names behind it, ALL IN A BRILLIANT PLAN TO SPLIT 30 BUCKS from an uncertain number of people who have to download a paper on something highly controversial that few people believe exists, and to do it from a poorly designed website of a fresh opened, dubious magazine no one has heard of?
ReplyDeleteIf you truly think that, I’d advise you to be much more SKEPTICAL when something resembling a thought pops up in your heads.
It’s been four days now since the paper became available, and some have indeed downloaded it. One authority (Gibbs) admitted he read it, and basically said that he would need the raw data to come to a safe conclusion, meaning (for every literate person) NOTHING IN THE PAPER ITSELF (allegedly written to scam 30$ out of him) IS WRONG. Another authority openly commented that he read only the abstract and the conclusion, and that it “didn’t make sense”. Well, sometimes it doesn’t, when you only read the abstract and the conclusion of a 5 year old study on something novel. It has also been said that some of the data points to tech artifacts, though they miraculously appeared in several independent analyses, some of them blind. Contamination has also been mentioned, again and again, though the handling and the procedures, described to great lengths, and the credentials of the experts involved (many with contamination as key expertise) rule it out. Why “artifacts”, why “contamination”? Simply because they DO NOT BELIEVE such procedures really took place. They BELIEVE it’s all a LIE, a MAKE BELIEVE OF BUNCH OF DELUDED AMATEURS, which brings us back to the first paragraph, and of course the second. Well, you can’t fight that, can you? Only time can fight that.
Also, the dubiousness of the journal is STILL an issue, though it has been addressed many times clearly. The study has been outright rejected numerous times, without reading or sending it for peer review, mocked at, leaked (as in “it’s not a legal offense or unethical to leak data provided by a nutjob”) and in the end, finally rejected based on “controversy” in a journal where it passed the peer review after months of clarifying requests and rigorous editing.
What else? “Black bear” result from Trent university (sample also used by Ketchum) came from mDNA only. What’s more, the report suggested that human and bear accounted for just a small percentage of DNA, with no mention of the rest. Still, it is somehow relevant to some. Weird.
Also, some cummenters STILL invoke “raped by Sasquatch”, “angel DNA” and “telepathy” trash from the smear campaign, at the same time accusing Ketchum of being hostile and defensive when asked “legitimate questions”. That’s why 30 bucks – so hordes of penniless smearing neverminds don’t urinate all over a 5 y.o. study. The same with the raw data. “That’s how science works, you provide the data”. Well, these people really got to know how “science works”.
You can’t fight all that, can you? Time will. And it’s been FOUR DAYS, and all the neverminded skeptics have is all but scientific comments from people who read across the paper as if it’s contagious, GRAMMATICAL ERRORS (!?) and "why no mainstream media...?" Real scientific shootdown. It would have been TRASHED by now if it wasn’t ROCK SOLID.
The last question, and the only one really legitimate, was RAW DATA. And it’s being done. Just as the paper came out struggling, the truth will also.
“The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.”
^bravo!
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DeletePerfectly said, Degnostik. The fact that only so many people worldwide are seriously interested in this subject yet it can still upset many says a lot, if the trolls wanted it to go away (they're obviously protecting some big secret here) they could simply be silent like their authority employers but oh no instead they fake an interest and shout about it only attracting more attention. Are trolls really a kind of whistleblowers I sometimes wonder, because the shouting only reveals they're fighting something that is real and true.
Delete''The study has been outright rejected numerous times, without reading or sending it for peer review, mocked at, leaked (as in “it’s not a legal offense or unethical to leak data provided by a nutjob”) and in the end, finally rejected based on “controversy” in a journal where it passed the peer review after months of clarifying requests and rigorous editing.''
DeleteTalk about GULLIBLE!
Repeating Ketchum's claims and using them as proof she's a victim of persecution. Melba never submitted a paper anywhere but the fraudulent new website put up to mitigate her 'publishing soon' lies!
Even skeptics are repeating the false line that the veterinarian's junk science was rejected- when there's no evidence that any actual credible journal was even approached. We simply have Melba's word on it- and that's no longer enough.
We must resist the urge to swallow claims hook, line and sinker; just because we want it to be so. It's one of the first things a child learns about life.
STEP ASIDE LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A DELUSIONAL FOOTER HERE, PLEASE TAKE CAUTION, THE DOCTORS WILL BE HERE SOON TO TRANSPORT THE FOOTER TO A MENTAL HOSPITAL, PLEASE SIT TIGHT.
DeleteDegnostik AKA mulder, give it up, theres no monkey.
Deletedon't let'em get you down Muldy
DeleteWarning: Raging skeptard spotted at 8:33. This one has been known to kick at the walls of his padded cell, jump up and down, and claim that he is a qualified psychologist, offering faux diagnoses about the doctors who treat him, and demanding that they be locked up.
DeleteTard on.
They're fun, aren't they?
Sometimes it's too easy.
It's skeptard gold, this one.
Well, anons 8.26 etc,
Deleteif it's a "word against word" situation,
I'll be taking a dozen words for it, with names, degrees and institutions attached, against yours, or I'd realy be delusional.
By the way, "delusion" means belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. Richard Gibbs, also a real person with a name, read the paper and would have had no problem pointing out junk in the vet's science. Why do you still hold that belief with such a strong conviction?
Ah Mulder - eh, I mean Degnostik - hanging on to the ONE authority (Gibbs) who shows a hint of acceptance like a drowning man holding on to a life preserver. Rule out contamination??? Really? Really? Pleeezzze. The sample submitted to Trent University came back HUMAN and bear plain and simple. The sequences did not display characteristics suggesting anything other than HUMAN (as in us). ZING! I have just one question for you since you are so all-knowing. Why does she not deposit the sequences in GenBank and don't say she can't because there is absolutely no reason she cannot - except for the fear of being exposed of course. Your posts exhibit all the signs of desperation of someone who knows their much touted report is in trouble and they are trying to salvage it. Your ship is sinking Degnostik and you best abandon it. Even that bastion of bigfoot believers over at BFF are condemning it with only a few such as yourself remaining steadfast in their delusional belief. Oh yes - and when this report has been thoroughly ravaged for the bad science that it is I would advise you post as anonymous in the future because no one is ever going to take your current poster name seriously again.
DeleteWow it really is obvious when Mulder tries to post anonymously.
DeleteHe always comes on here to avoid answering the tough questions on the BFF.
It's painful to watch him blame science for Melba's failings.
Mulder has not yet seen the worst of it. Yet he still gives Melba a pass at every turn.
Anon 9.57, not only you did not read the 63-page science paper, you haven't even been able to read my comment - which has a small part on the Trent university report your hopes obviously hangs on to. I'll try to be more simple: M.K. claims BF has human mDNA. Trent university analysed only mDNA and reported some "human" and a really small percentage of "bear". How exactly does that ZING? It actually CONFIRMS Ketchum, if you wish to be precise, with contamination as perfect explanation for the small "bear" portion, since it was sent by a bear hunter.
DeleteAs for the genbank, basically - you got me there... It's not that I know for sure why it wasn't there already, but if I had to put up with that much smearing, spinning, insults and mockery from both scientific and BF "communities", I guess I would lose my faith in a fair trial for my data, and I would want to make sure some really independent volunteering experts get it, see it and analyse it first, out of sight of both "communities".
But I admit that's just my guess, and since it's the only REAL ISSUE LEFT with the study - what will you do if I turn out right? Stay anonymous?
To be fair, the skeptic and scientific community has been more gentle in its reaction to the paper than the BF community. Aside from some patronizing blurbs about the paper not meeting standards, mainstream scientists have been respectful in dismissing it.
DeleteBut reading the BFF, I've noticed that the footers (outside of some blind dead enders) are being truly vicious in their skewering of Melba. It makes sense that, after waiting for five years with great expectation, there would be some anger when the whole thing results in one giant turd.
Wasn't the human dna that Trent reported shown to belong to Smeja?
DeleteSO SMEJA IS BIGFOOT????? WTF????
Delete"Only REAL ISSUE LEFT". Hahahahahaha - well if you say so.
DeleteConcerning the sample used by both the Ketchum study and Trent university, tell me what do you think of the post by a Tyler H over at the BFF (I think you know that site well) located on page 708 on the Ketchum Report thread. You don't see a problem? No, I have not read the report - don't want to pay $30.00 for something that is reportedly flawed and relying on those who are qualified to understand it report back . . and I must say it doesn't look good. Now Mulder - eh, I meant Degnostik - you obviously have a deep belief in bigfoot existing but doesn't all the warning flags with Melba's paper concern you? Surely there must be some doubts creeping in? I think the chances are extremely thin that you will turn out to be right but I would actually celebrate with you because I think it would be fantastic if bigfoot exists. However I remain skeptical for now and something stronger than a flawed DNA paper will have to convince me.
What Gibbs actually said was he saw no signs of an intentional fraud with Melba's study which really doesn't support either side it just says that Ketchum didn't do anything FRAUDULENT in his opinion. So it doesn't confirm her study or debunk it, just says that she didn't intentionally try to fool anyone it doesn't mean that her science is correct or incorrect it's a very diplomatic answer. The reason why Ketchum said that it couldn't be uploaded to Genbank though was total bs, she claimed that Genbank will not except her submission as it currently lacks taxonomy (the nice Latin name given to all plants and animals) which the mainstream scientists have all said is completely untrue. Also, the paper was released for review to Bigfoot sites but not actually to any genetics or biology institutions where you'd expect to release a scientific journal to be reviewed, not seem a bit strange?
DeleteThe whole self publishing should be setting off alarm bells, she cries foul at the existing scientific community who won't validate her paper so buys her own journal. How do any of us know that those journals trying to mock her wasn't because of her paper NOT the subject of the paper itself? Maybe it was her lousy science they found laughable and the conclusions she came to based on her findings that was amusing to them? All we have is Melba's word on any of this, she says she has emails to prove it well then publish them and name and shame or will that mean we'd have names that might not collaborate her story or even exist at these journals? She's even used the example of another scientist who worked in a very specialised field that few scientists work in who was granted the option to self publish as there were too few people who understood his work that could peer review it. However, in her case though the subject is unusual the methods she's used are not and anyone who works with animal DNA could easily verify her study.
I don't think she had the intention of perpetrating a hoax just to sell for $30 to a bunch of suckers, think this is a supplementary end game for her. I think the big money will have been made off Wally and dragging it out for so long, when you hook a big fish you don't reel it in quick you keep it on the line till you've exhausted it then reel it in. This PPV thing is the cherry on the top of a long con on Wally and there'll be more yet to come. By the way, if mainstream science is so dead against the subject why is Sykes an Oxford Professor studying it? What's the bets his paper is published?
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DeleteOf course I'm concerned, but all the "red flags" were either fabrications of the smear campaign, things that never came from MK, or had explanations that were not only palusible, but also described what can actually be EXPECTED by any sane person in that situation - trying to prove something so controversial and mockery-inducing.
Just imagine for a moment - for a moment - that BF exists. You are an experienced geneticist, and get a hold of a sample... You really think your effort to be perfectly scientific with it would be instantly recognized? But hey - you can't imagine that, not even for a minute, because you think you KNOW it does not exist... Which is EXACTLY what I'm talking about!
I have never been to BFF, nor plan to. I read about the Trent results here - that dubious report was printscreened and obviously full of "red flags". But you failed to notice that, becasue it was just neat to shout "Ketchum is dead!"
Paper has not yet ben proven as flawed, other than your "red flag" that it's about Sasquatch.
The "flaws" we have so far were "this data is wrong", meaning "I't must be wrong" meaning "Becasue I don't reciognize it" meaning "You can't really be implying it's a new species of human, becasue that's impossible?"
We'll celebrate toghether. And I'n not Mulder.
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Yes, Gibbs was diplomatic. He basically said he needed the raw data to see whether the science is correct or not. Meaning just what I said: nothing in the paper itself... Also, quote: "...is the evidence here compelling? I don't know." You could also read it like this: if the raw data support it, it will be compelling.
Yes she said that about the genbank. Maybe, just maybe, it was better than saying: "After what we've been through, I don't want to upload it for everybody to piss on it without really giving it a chance, not before I get more support. I want to upload it into a new taxon, because the study deserves it. Period."
You really think some editors and reviewers rightfully laughed at a paper about which for four days now we hear nothing laughable other than "it's about bigfoot"?
Bets on Sykes are that he never really expected what he saw under the microscope, let alone the nuclear DNA. And now, he's not sure what to do.
Your agent provocateur routine is impressive. You must glean some uproarious humor from posting faux defenses of Melba and then reading the incensed responses from outraged skeptics. Well played my friend.
DeleteThank you.
DeleteThe fact that I believe it all just makes it even more perfect.
Sykes has done DNA work on the Yeti before and got results he wasn't expecting that's why he's studing it now, Shawn was nice enough to post a link to a doc off National Geographic with him testing Yeti samples. That's why the majority of us both believers and non-believers are waiting to see his study and what he's found as he is respected in his field, was a professor at Oxford and isn't part of the whole Sasquatch freakshow. As for GenBank she could easily submit it then change it's taxon at a later date or any other information on it, infact hasn't Melba already created her own taxon for it in her study? I think once an animal or human species has it's DNA sequenced it's common practice to add it to GenBank for others to study it, sometimes sequencing labs add thousands at a time. People keep saying on both sides that DNA doesn't lie so why won't Ketchum post it on there? The only reason for anyone to attack her is if it's proved wrong but as it's not on GenBank and the full data needed to successfully check her study was not provided in the journal (which many scientists have commented on as this is also normal practice) no one can test her results.
DeleteIf science scoffs at Ketchum for discovering a new human species and not giving it the time of day (as esentially she is maintaining Bigfoot is a human species) how do you account for the several other new human species discovered recently that have been in journals? People have thrown their names around on here like homo rudolfensis or devisonian man and there's also a discovery of the so called Red Deer People in a cave in China. Just google "new human species found" and see all the results from last year alone! Most of these have had papers published on them in journals like Nature and the existence of all these human species contradicts the traditional view of human evolution. If you take away the name Sasquatch or Bigfoot essentially isn't the study about the possibility of other human species living side by side with man which is something proposed by the scientists who re-discovered the remains of the Red Deer People who it was claimed existed up 14,000 years ago so same time as Ketchum states Bigfoot came from. So if science is willing to accept the other species with little evidence why not this one? Is it because Ketchum's study is flawed, is it because she doesn't provide the raw data to back up her claims or simply because of the word "Bigfoot"? Is it solely because she says it still exists? Come on how many primates have been discovered recently? Isn't that the believers response? Hell if she can provide all this DNA evidence (and DNA doesn't lie remember) that's more than the scientists who claim homo rudolensis have done and a journal published their work, the devisonians were discovered by the remnants of a little finger bone, gigantopithicus was by a tooth and Ketchum has both mDNA and nucleotide DNA. This doesn't raise any red flags about Ketchum, then all is lost.
Of course it's because she says it still exists, in USA, today. Really weird stuff, even for want-to-believers such as me (not Mulder, btw). Say or don't say it, we all know she means "Bigfoot", the tabloid creature, hoaxer's pet project and the paranormal inter-dimensional hairy avatar of the most drug-distorted new agers.
DeleteHomo floresiensis was and still is such a trouble, remaining only a "possible" new species. If the researchers said they saw it alive ("Orang Pendek"), what do you think the reaction would be? And it's tiny, and far far away.
Thanks for the Sykes-Yeti connection, I must have missed it.
I have no explanation for her refusal to upload the data other than what I said already. Your point is...well, should be valid. But who knows? Maybe she's just pissed.
"...that's more than the scientists who claim homo rudolensis have done and a journal published their work, the devisonians were discovered by the remnants of a little finger bone, gigantopithicus was by a tooth and Ketchum has both mDNA and nucleotide DNA"
Imagine how pissed? That would be enough for me.
But the data exists. Exciting, isn't it?
Yeah but the point I was making was if she has this cast iron DNA evidence why won't the journals publish it? If she submitted the same paper that she published then the reason is she hasn't present the raw data to back up her claims, if she did present the raw data it's because the science is bogus. It's easy to say the big bad establishment blackballed me when you're dealing with Bigfoot because the people interested in your study are already either frustrated by the fact no one takes them seriously or they are ready to believe in whatever conspiracy theory you have. You don't even have to provide the evidence! People just believe at face value because it's something they already do listening to all those supposedly eye witness reports or whatever Bigfoot gossip is going round. Bigfoot belief isn't based on empirical evidence, there is no body, the samples for the study could realistically be pretty much anything and when it comes to eyewitness they lie or are easily mistaken that's the problem with people! If she makes the claims she has then she needs to provide the raw data or it's nothing but hot air!
DeleteHomo florensis could be Orang Pendak infact if you look it up on Wiki one of the editors of Nature journal even suggests that they could still be alive in the remote forests there. So if the science journals are so against there being a Bigfoot and won't publish Ketchum why are they willing to suggest there is an Orang Pendak? Maybe because Melba is telling lies and has a flawed study?
I got no problem with anything you said, except for that one difference:
DeleteAs for me, I believe she tells the truth when she says she submitted it to many and nobody took it seriously (you think she wouldn't give the raw data to "Nature" or "Science" if they showed interest?).
I also believe is is now obvious that the paper is written well enough even for top geneticists and can not be tossed away due to methodological, technical or any other flaws (we would know that by know).
As for you, so it seems, you believe she's not telling the truth, or the paper is flawed.
We are both believers, you see.
Same goes for all other issues in the argument.
Unless you are someone with direct connections to Melba, I would encourage you to look at other bigfoot related blogs and forums. Many people with expertise in genetics, biology, and anthropology who are also believers have ripped the paper apart on at least 12 different bases. I won't do the work for you in that endeavor -- it's up to you whether you want to discover the truth or remain ensconced in your little believer bubble. It does no good for the community to have people continue to support this debacle.
DeleteIf she did prove them with her raw data then why didn't they publish when they have already published other people's work that challenges the status quo regarding human evolution? The reason why people haven't chimed in yet is probably because she didn't give press copies to other science journals or blogs but only to certain Bigfoot blogs that were more likely to stroke her ego and accept her findings. If it is a science journal shouldn't it be distributed to scientific institutions etc not Bigfoot blogs who know little bout genetics? If you read Steve Kulls blog you'll see how some scientists have not particularly nice things to say from what I heard she hasn't even listed her samples correctly which is grade school stuff. There was one article from a science blog that Mark UK linked to on another thread where a former scientist who was also a former Bigfooter made a valid point that no one else seems to be asking bout. If there are these creatures out there they can't all be human hybrids with human mDNA and Squatch nucleotide DNA, there must be animals out there that are pure Squatch, with no human DNA at all where are they in this study with all these samples?
DeleteLike I keep saying in other threads if Melba really cared bout this big discovery why charge for it? If she cared bout her supporters out there who've been waiting years for this why ask you to pay for this? Why after asking you guys for samples and video evidence is she asking you to pay to read the findings, not giving you the raw data and only showing you a measly 16 seconds of the Erickson footage? Like Merchant's just said on the podcast he was on if they had Squatches at the bottom of her garden and they got that close to Matilda etc why don't we have better evidence to show for it?? I know some of the stories bout her were Lindsay's bs but some she claimed were true like the stick structure, braiding horsehair wasn't there a blueberry bagel sample too? All this is she provides little to back up her claims that the animal is real yet alone a close relative!
Seriously, if you had 5 years of working on this wouldn't you come up with something better? Wouldn't you stand by your findings, add it to GenBank and publish all your data if for nothing but to shove it in the doubter's faces? Here is the proof DNA doesn't lie read it and weep! But she didn't do that, she could have produced all kinds of evidence to show the nasty scientists are picking on her but she didn't do that either! You believers wear your belief in Bigfoot with pride out here on this blog for all to read and this woman says I have all this raw data that will vindicate all of you but I'm not showing it even though it could theoretically be proof positive Sadquatch exists I'm not showing it? Why? What you hiding Melba? Why so scared of people checking your data? If there are peer reviews where are they are you going to publish those too? What's the names of the journals you originally sent the study to? If it really got rejected from these places why not name them? What you got to loose if they've already blackballed you? Or is it you're worried someone might fact check and contact them? Worried Wally might think you've not been a straight shooter and realise he's been had?
How can you say nothing in the paper is wrong? I've seen several knowledgable people trash this piece of crap for a whole gifting basket full of reasons. The fact that she hadn't made her raw data availab;e to everyone (genbank?) doesn't help.
ReplyDeleteSo Melba ran the gauntlet and took the beating she deserved. I see nothing here that will make it any easier on those foolish enough to follow.
^ Part of the unofficial bigfoot science protecting cult.
DeleteOf course! We're not here for our own presonal amusement, although there is that. I get a six figure salary from the federal government to maintain the status quo.
DeleteIt' actually quite easy, going up against the conspiracy-minded lunatic fringe. Got a keep them in their place.
See, there's the ridicule again cloaked in irony.
Deletehow can I get in on this government subsidized disinformation bonanza?
DeleteIt's funny when pseudo-intellectuals learn new words or concepts. You'll see them constantly bickering with them, proudly shouting them out constantly. When they really don't have a good argument they toss out "straw man" and then "sophist". Now they all cry out about "Genbank". The funny thing is I never saw one post with anything that included that until recently when Meldrum mentioned it. Now it's thrown around repeatedly as if they have known all about it for years, lol. Probably never even heard of it til recently, ha ha.
DeleteLet's make up a new word and see how fast they cling to it to prove how much smarter they are than whomever their opponent is.
Nope you are right - never heard of it before now - really had no reason to. But since it has come up and you have skirted the issue let me ask you a simple question.
DeleteWHY DOES SHE NOT SUBMIT HER DATA TO THE GENBANK???
I have a feeling your going to hear a lot more about GenBank until she submits so you better get used to it.
What's really funny are these crazies who think that Bigfoot is such a massive deal to the US Government that they're paying people to come on here and supposedly attack believers and Melba! It's something we do as hobby we don't get paid for it as we consider it as a community service we provide by trying to show individuals like yourself that you need psychiatric care
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DeleteBLAST may be a good word to know and understand aswell and no I am not cussing, if your curious just google blast dna.
Who saw who do what exactly, please?
ReplyDeleteSame old same. Bifgoot, taterhole, Zagnut.
DeleteThe glaring omission of raw data put the final nail in Melba's coffin. Back-peddling now to assemble a HAND-PICKED group of "top scientists" to review it not only insults her co-authors, but it further discredits her paper.
ReplyDeleteHer only shot at redemption can come by sharing that "beautiful" data NOW and with ALL.
^ Farce.
DeleteRight. Ketchum has no shot at redemption. Het paper is unsalvagable, as is her reputation.
DeleteShe is forever relegated to the ash heap of history with all the other Bigfoot-for-profit scammers who by their own actions subtracted themselves from the conversation.
Backpeddling skeptard backpeddling on invisible bicycle which skeptards say exist while claiming there is no bigfoot.
DeleteNice one.
There may be a Bigfoot, but Ketchum, Dyer and Biscardi will never prove it.
DeleteCome on, man! Use your head!
Agreed! ^^^^
DeleteKen: wow, a lot of really good posts, sadly most all are about a dead horse named Ketchum. I once believed you were the one Melba.
ReplyDeleteKeep on denyin'.
DeleteThere's no denying that Melba's Spring 2013 line of sasquatch activewear will make a bleever out of you!
DeleteWhat is it with the IMMATURE kids here who must try to be FIRST in every thread. Grow up will ya!
ReplyDeleteAs for Genbank, maybe just maybe, Genbank, like the varied other well known scientific closed-minded journals, refused to all the upload of DNA that they felt couldn't possibly be legit? Why wouldn't we see the same response there as with closed science? Maybe Ketchum shouldn't be blamed for this one, but having other scientists take a look in a second round and then upload from there, is a decent comeback methodology to accomplish same.
While many of her actions aren't agreeable, the subject matter is what it is, controversial. Hence there is going to be sufficient controversy. There is no template for introducing Sasquatch DNA to the world. PT
^never been first
DeletePoor Galileo! So ahead of his time. So misunderstood.
DeleteIf you were familiar with how Genbank worked, you'd know that wasn't a possibility.
DeleteFirst!
ReplyDeleteBFF are scared of the logic and reason of JREF
ReplyDeleteLogic and reason ? LMAO. Didn't you shitheads bleeve Kitakaze found the P/G suit and that Parnassus is a doctor ?
DeleteI wore the suit. I wear lots of suits. My name is Bob Hilarious. How do you do?
DeleteKerchak is listed as inactive at the BFF. lmao
DeleteI admit I am admittedly no Nostradamus but I will make several predictions concerning tonight's show on Coast to Coast:
ReplyDelete1. George Knapp will be sympathetic and ask softball questions. He will not be confronting and will go easy on her.
2. She (Ketchum) will not admit to making any mistakes and will criticize those critical for being close-minded. She will infer that there is a conspiracy by the mainstream scientific community to suppress her paper and data.
3. There will be many callers who will praise and defend her and one to none critical of her findings (screening).
4. There will be a least one caller who sounds bat-shit crazy (a 100% safe prediction).
Let's see how I do.
yea pretty much, janice carter will probably phone in
DeleteHey not fair that has nothing to do with prediction that's called educated guessing
DeleteA lot of it will be a pity party for poor Melba who is being unfairly attacked by mean skeptics. It boils down to more enabling for an unabashed fraud.
DeleteI hope the crazy cat lady linda sedlak calls in. She'll profess her love for the other crazy cat lady ketchum, and all will be right in footery land.
DeleteOMG! I hope Sally Here calls in!!! That would be EPIC!
DeleteWow. I just read through the entire comments section and saw the least amount of trolling ever on this site. Amazing. I'm sure they'll come out of the woodwork now though. LOL
ReplyDeleteHush little footer, don't say a word.
DeleteMelba's gonna shit you a steaming turd.
And if that steaming turd don't stink,
Melba's gonna shit you a kitchen sink.
*yawn*
ReplyDeleteKetchum going on Coast to Coast is like Dick Cheney going on Fox 'News' - both sides have the same agenda. There will be no hard-hitting questions and Melba will be praised like she is a genius and cast as a victim of those 'elitist scientists.'
ReplyDeleteOr Barry talking with anyone in the media at all.
DeleteIt's funny when pseudo-intellectuals learn new words or concepts. You'll see them constantly bickering with them, proudly shouting them out constantly. When they really don't have a good argument they toss out "straw man" and then "sophist". Now they all cry out about "Genbank". The funny thing is I never saw one post with anything that included that until recently when Meldrum mentioned it. Now it's thrown around repeatedly as if they have known all about it for years, lol. Probably never even heard of it til recently, ha ha.
ReplyDeleteLet's make up a new word and see how fast they cling to it to prove how much smarter they are than whomever their opponent is.
It wasn't mentioned before because it was assumed that Melba and her committee of experienced researchers would follow SOP and post their data to Genbank. It should go without saying, just like people shouldn't need to be told "Lock your car doors when driving through the south side of Chicago."
DeleteI agree, it is quite hilarious to read when high school drop out yokels, who believe in a 9 foot, 600 pound ape, learn terms like "mid-tarsal break", "dermal ridges", "compliant gait", and "ad hominem" and repeat them ad infintum with only a dim understanding of their meanings.
DeleteMost of these people flunked science in high school and now think it's science's fault.
DeleteConfirmed with friend at Blogspot that Degnostik is indeed Mulder.
ReplyDeleteMulder is abandoning the BFF because, after his one post there since the Melba release, he was soundly and unanimously dismissed by the other footers who are a bit less daft than he is.
DeleteLOL - for all his posts BEFORE the paper came out he is strangely silent now. Must be sad to be rebuked by your own fellow believers.
DeleteI confess - I miss his ramblings.
Hey Mulder what happened to your little buddy Kerchak?
DeleteI'm not.
DeleteBut - we all are, in a way.
Bigfoot is dead. Long Live Slenderman!
ReplyDeleteI hope people call in and ask the tough questions, because Knapp won't.
ReplyDeleteI'm the NY one,good hunting to you guys
ReplyDeleteLMFAO' Coast to Coast is precisely the place that a legit/professional/scientifically backed/ discovery is announced...........ah ha ha ha ha ha, you can't write this comedy any better.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Knapp and Coast to Coast ah ha ha ha ha ha.