MABRC Draws Harsh Criticism From Mike Akaganglian [Daisy / Team Quantra]


Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Akaganglian a Sasquatch enthusiast.

When we first witnessed the MABRC's travails with the "Can't confirm or deny" statement that was actually pointed at Ed Smith, I defended them to a point, but the situation was mis-portrayed by blogs like Lindsay's and the Evidence blog. At that time, Ed never said nor did the MABRC say they had a body; Lindsay pulled that out of his imagination and did so for the hits. It was simple yellow journalism. That was then. This is now. The thing that gave life to the confirm/deny fiasco was the fact that the MABRC leadership seems to suffer from the misconception that any attention is good attention, not so. They could have at least tempered the resulting situation by just letting pass and keeping their mouths shut, but.... we all know they didn't. I was sympathetic to a point at the time, but they did in fact mishandle the situation.

That was then, this is now.... fast forward a few weeks, and now Daisy is in the box. And again the news comes from the same source, Ed Smith, man of mystery, fan of bad sentence forming, military radio chatter-batter and illusions of being the poor's James Bond, not an MABRC member but a member of their forum. No one had ever heard of him until the MABRC, and he rarely if ever spoke outside of any venue that wasn't run by the MABRC. Notice a pattern here?

Here's the thing about Ed Smith; does he in fact even exist? DW Lee and Driver Operator say he does. Should we take their word for it? NO. Both of these guys have made so many baseless claims about squatchy stuff that anything they say should in fact be taken with a minivan sized grain of salt. Blobsquatch here and blobsquatch there, but ever any tangible proof? Never. This is a pattern with them for years. Same the pattern of them going to places like the BFF and then storming off all pissy when people actually want real proof, DO in particular. Boo hoo boys, next time bring actual data. Back to Smith's existence, I really don't know what to think. I have had off the record conversations with multiple parties in a position to know, and some say they've spoken to him, some say he's Lee's imaginary friend. The point being, you hear so many different things you end up not really sure what to believe. Is this the point? It’s part of a larger point or sequence of points.

- First larger point: You would think the MABRC would have learned from the previous Confirm/Deny mishap, but they didn’t, and likely never will, any attention is good attention after all, in their little world. Whether or not the claim started with Smith or not, it doesn't completely matter, DW Lee, Glen McDonald, Rob Gaudet and Driver Operator all MABRC members, all actively promoted this situation, and did so to promote the MABRC, so they are involved and are culpable in the outcome.

- Second larger point: Be open minded my ass, these people made the largest claim possible, they claimed to have alive specimen, not had, but currently have.... so the only acceptable proof is the creature itself, not video, not photos, not audio, the actual living breathing creature. And why do they owe this to us? Because, they couldn't just conduct their study and keep it quiet and do the work. They had to be attention mongers and make the claims they did to the far points of Facebook and beyond. Therefore, you made the claims, show the monkey, plain and simple. Put up or shut up, you guys have made tall claims for years, but this one goes too far, and we want proof.

- Third larger point: Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence, and again, the MABRC did nothing to separate themselves from the situation, they wanted in on it and they are part of it. They don't have the luxury to cut and run, because they themselves simply denied themselves by actively promoted these claims as if they were real. Why, they wanted their share of the glory. To wit, they put themselves in the chair they now sit, so deal with said seat as it heats up.

Who’s at fault: I probably come off like I blame entire MABRC for this situation, and there's some partial truth in that. I think there are a few levels of blame. For Team Quantra to be guilty of a hoax, they need to exist, and we frankly no proof they do. They may well be a product of Ed Smith's imagination, if he is not a product of Lee's imagination or a machination of those who have an active vendetta against the MABRC and others. Some may be aware of that situation, some may not, suffice to say that's another story, another time. If they can prove Ed is real, Ed is the hoaxer, if not, figure it out. But many of us aren't convinced he's a real boy, so you are left with those who are left, namely Lee and DO.

Even if Smith is real, as told by those on the inside of this situation, the only proof Lee ever had of either the Orig-6 or Quantra's existence came through one source, Ed Smith and his word for it. So, either Lee is gullible, or made the whole thing up, or bears the burden of proving Quantra actually exists. The same goes for Driver Operator, he claimed he dined with Smith, so he knows if Smith actually exists, and the same burden of proof is on him, because HE MADE THE CLAIM. Either this whole story is a product of DO's gullibility, or a conspiracy of horse puckey made up by him and Lee and maybe some others, or they owe us the proof otherwise, BECAUSE, to beat the dead horse they made the claims.

As for McDonald and Gaudet, they are both MABRC members, and it may be that they are guilty of merely being good soldiers, gullible ones but good ones in intent, by promoting this whole thing all over Facebook and Squatch Unlimited and elsewhere, BUT, they chose to involve themselves so assuming their intentions were sincere, they still willing promoted this situation and put themselves in the mix. And this may well be a flaw within this group, the gullibility index and a lack of critical thinking. With claims this tall being made, they should be challenged for proof.

Why they are at fault: That will depend on how much actual truth comes out of this maze of bull shit. At a minimum, the MABRC leadership bears guilt because they willing and actively promoted the situation, and blindly believed Ed Smith, just like Bulletmaker before him. The leadership of this group are known Attention mongers, obviously gullible and with dubious motives. The rest of the group seems to follow these two with blinders on, and that is the major downfall of their group as a whole. If Ed Smith can be dragged into the light, he's right alongside these two, either a hoaxer, or damn gullible. Neither is good.

Or, Smith doesn't exist in which case he's DW's imaginary friend, or a machination of a nemesis of this group who has apparently has been playing them for years, just, like, Bulletmaker before. So dance around that awful "H" word all you want, the burden to prove it's not, and the burden of proof of Smith's reality lies with Lee and DO, and they have talked themselves into a corner. Prove it's not a hoax or be seen as hoaxers. You don't get the out of crying victim without proving that Ed actually is a real person, and even then they get to look stupid for being the victim of a second long term hoax. Unless Smith can proof otherwise, but the claim has been made that he is conveniently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement with his fictional friends, so don't hold your breath there. The 99% likelihood is this was a hoax, a grandiose and poorly executed one, they got greedy and it boils down to whose hoax it. Smith's or Lee's.

Input from others: I've heard from ex members of this group of late and have things around, and have heard from folks that were involved in this farce, and it's fascinating the amount of conflicting information you here. Ed is real, but he's not. Or he was a mole created by whom have vendettas. Which is real? Is any of it real? After a while your head starts to hurt. The fact is the leadership of this group has been hoaxed before, has demonstrated on multiple forums that they are in fact insecure and will storm off of any forum that doesn’t want to believe their grand claims. From day one they have claimed all kinds of interactions with something that may not exist and offered crap for proof other than they have been hoaxed long term definitely once, possibly twice. This whole situation has effectively in my mind, killed any credibility. I predict they will want to cut their losses, (Ed Smith is suspended from their pulpit as this is written), they will cry victim and attack their critics, myself included. But they really ought to look in the mirror, HARD.

What to learn from this farce: The folks who were "invited to play bridge" are to be commended in my opinion for being skeptical, and not getting sucked in, but one wonders if that was ever meant to happen. It was a little too reminiscent of 2008, and it wasn't a few days before the whole mystery meeting was called off anyway. But the major lesson for the community as a whole is it needs to pull its collective head out of its backside and actively embrace critical thinking. The hucksters of this subject continue to pull their shenanigans because people want to believe to the point of clouded judgment. It isn't rocket science that the same hucksters pull the same crap year after year after year. Dyer had a freezer monkey in 2008, now he has a tent monkey, is either real? YOU KNOW IT ISN'T! Others profit off the soap opera, it doesn't help. Like it or not, Daisy is not in a box, Ketchum is qualified to conduct her fake study and the MABRC is too dubious or gullible to be taken seriously.

Have higher standards toward the burden of proof. End tirade and to all a good night.

Comments

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    1. Not sure if they have a body, but soon the world will know "they are real". Stay tuned for wonderful, magical revelations about our incredible forest-friends.

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    2. I already feel enlightened by you words.

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    3. How about this you fucking bunch of loosers...I TOLD YOU SOOOOO!!!!!!

      Simple minds believe simple things!!!

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    4. Err, well, not so much anymore. Mothman and I got ourselves a case of the munchies something fierce, and we, um, kind of pan-fried his punk ass. Serves him right for being so god damn delicious.

      -Wendigo

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    5. Skilleyville. DWLee has seen at least 10 Bigfoots doing strange things ,at his famous reaserch location! you Stupid dipshits! SKILLEYVILLE,....DWLEE IS not a lieing sack of SHIT!!

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    6. ^ Stop! Plagiarising My style TURDINTOILETBOWELSON, we all know its you. Dimbulb.

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  2. Tell us what you really think.

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  3. This seemed like a game of make believe from the very beginning. The point of no return was the steering committee and I was pretty sure that was not going to really happen. Any guesses if we will actually hear from the "PR firm".

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  4. If people would just ignore this stupid bullshit it would just go away.

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    1. Main stream science has ignored footery for 45 years and it hasn't gone away.

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    2. I'm pretty certain the OP means people who have an interest in the subject.

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  5. "Dyer had a freezer monkey in 2008, now he has a tent monkey, is either real? YOU KNOW IT ISN'T!"

    Yes and I still hear people say that the tent story has a ring of truth to it.

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    1. Not to mention Robert Lindsay thinks that it is true. Yikes. Good luck with that.

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  6. Another point is that the people who do questionable things still get attention. I think some of this has to do with new people coming in and not knowing any better. On the other hand, the same questionable people keep getting a free pass by people who should know better.

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    1. Who are the questionable people for example

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    2. Dyer, Ketchum, Smith, and all the other ridiculously transparent hoaxers and money-grubbing scum. Do you really need a list?

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  7. Bigfoots are real, I seen one.

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    1. Was it a boy Bigfoot or a girl Bigfoot?

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    2. Me bigfoot. Bigfoot go penis to fan. Oh penis fly off! Bigfoot now mad. Bigfoot no more fun with knot hole. Bigfoot now attack rv! Bigfoot knock over to hump, trailer tongue go up taterhole! Bigfoot stagger off holding butt. Bigfoot be back later.

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    3. LAME! Work on your material, dumbfuck.

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    4. Lighten up shitstick.^ Why is there one fucking asshole everywhere you go?

      Oh penis fly off! Anon 6:55 now mad!

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    5. It's TATER INVADER! He follows in my shadow trying to put down my artistic ability.

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  8. Echo echo echo.... Anybody home home home??? ,l,,,

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  9. Can we just put this all behind us and move on?
    We already look like a bunch of fools as it is, don't need any help from Ed Smith.

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    1. My family and friends make fun of me, they tell Bigfoot jokes about me in front of my face. At this point, I can't look any dumber.

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  10. I miss Mucklegrunt.

    Long Live Mucklegrunt!!!
    Long Live Poop In The Jar Guy!!!
    Long Live Bigfoot Evidence!!!

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    1. I miss the real Bigfoot is Bullshit. Not the tinfoil hat imposter but the vile seething bitch that told off footers. Autumnforest, Debbie the Dyke now Bigfoot is Bullshit, the classiest ladies of Bigfoot evidence. You fuckers ran them all off because you still believe in this bigfooting scatsquatch bullshit.

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    2. We'll always have the poop in a jar guy. They can never take that away from us.

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    3. Aww Skippy! Did you almost find a girlfriend?

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    4. Bullshit when are you going to face up to the fact that you have a problem, just how many posts do you make a day on this blog under anon or other assumed names, the staff at whatever institution you are currently an inmate at need to monitor your internet activity to gain a better insight into your particular condition.

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  11. This whole thing was a plot to promote Goudet's movie "Skookum" which needs funding and attention. Is it a coincidence that both Goudet and the good Dr Meldrum had parts in both the movie and the "Bridge Team" ? Could the MABRC being used as a "Scape Goat" in all this is most likely the case. Watch as the Sasquatch turns for more Suspence and Drama, same Squatch Channel Same Squatch time.

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  12. Bigfoot loves everyone, even the skeptics, follow his example.

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  13. MABRC ARE HOAXERS UNTIL THEY PROVE OTHERWISE!!

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    1. And who isn't a hoaxer, when it comes to anything Bigfoot...dumbass.

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    2. ^^^Likes to dress up as Melba Ketchum.

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    3. ETA-And work the red light district.

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    4. How'd you know I was Mulder?

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  14. I wonder if the female Bigfoots look at the male Bigfoots feet and thinks wouldn't mind him toe popping me. just a thought.

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    1. And a stupid one that's not the least bit funny. Perhaps there's somewhere you can purchase a little imagination.

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    2. ^^^^
      I noticed that you require my services.

      -a proctologist

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  15. If this whole fiasco is MABRCs' way of telling us to learn from or recognize the difference between proof and evidence, or in this case no evidence at all, then they did a terrible job of it. All just a sick joke.

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    1. Good point. "Evidence" is not "proof". Of anything.

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  16. So after finding this blog a few months back and admittedly being entertained...the question that comes to my mind after reading all the tabloid type things that get posted here is:

    Is there anyone sane within the Bigfoot community?

    Just normal people after the truth that steer away from all this made up fantasy?

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    1. Yep. We here, amongst the new age true believers, the pompus anti-bigfoot assholes and the scatological E.H. perverts.
      Sometimes our voices of reason rise above the din...

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  17. BTW...did not mean Akaganglian was insane..his post was very sane....referring to all this hoaxing that goes on and the BF community at large letting it go on without checking and double checking people's stories before they post things.

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  18. Gearman is a hoaxer along with BigJim, DriverOperator, Dark Wing, and the rest of the MABRC hoaxers.

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    1. You're not going to stop there are you?
      That's just the tip of the giant, floating chunk of ice.

      (I don't say iceberg because it makes me sound anti-semitic)

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    2. Huh? Oh, you mean that BiggJimm guy who was suppose to be part of the "bridge" meeting. I haven't even seen one much less created a hoax. Not stupid enough to run around the woods in a gorilla costume. Too many trigger happy people around here.

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  19. Fact: most skeptics love having anal sex with dead animals

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  20. Give me the steak. Bigfoot, bear cub, coyote, whatever. Just give me the steak. I'm starving.
    - Mike Arglebargle

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  21. What does he mean 'because people want to believe to the point of clouded judgement'?

    Skeptics who call us bitter and narrow-minded should all be put to death for their blasphemous lies.

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    1. *sigh* You still don't understand what a skeptc is. True skeptics are your friends. We're on YOUR side. Its the orthodox nonbelievers that are the closed minded ones, and they're arrogant assholes to boot. They're the ones who call you names. Please don't legitimize them by promoting them to the rank of skepic. They have in no way earned the distinction.

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  22. Best post in forever, Shawn. Who is this guy/gal? Let's have more from him (her?)!

    Damn right, Akaganglian! Call out the hoaxters and the hucksters for what they really are. All of 'um. And hell yes, the Sagan Rule applies. Its Bigfoot for Chrissake! How could it not apply??? Show us the f**king monkey or shut the f**k up.

    SOMEBODY needed to say it, pal. Well done.

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  23. Aw, I like the MABRC guys. I went to their site to look at the things they were doing and I like. So what if they lie a little bit? I think they were lonely and needed company.

    I will forgive and believe them now. They are my friends.

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  24. Can anyone of these hoaxers be sued--Or gang-banned from ever typing a blog ever again?

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  25. And why are we still discussing this nonsense?

    Move on. This is a hoax perpetrated by a single poster on a message board, inflated by those twats over at the MABRC and made into an even bigger deal by this blog.

    Let's move on, I'm sure there are other hoaxes to highlight.

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  26. Mr. Ed was real, I saw him on TV, and he could talk! Same. Same.

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  27. The childish banter here is abhorring. The BF community at large suffers each time this goes on because in the end, people come read this nonsense and go, "wow, this is just a bunch of kids trying to out do each other with stories." Just sit back and relax people. Something will happen that you have actually no control over, and no investment in. So, whatever happens is just going to happen and you're going to have to live with it, like it or not.

    The DNA information is making the story real. The Quantra group event is just something else which might make it more real for some people...

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    1. Well... We need SOMETHING to talk about until the Sykes report comes out...

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  28. It was great entertainment. Bigfoot is not real. Bigfoot believers are mentally disturbed.
    They the footers need to seek help, get back on their meds

    I'm LMAO at those suckers. The MABRC is a fraud. Four and a half years think about it.

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  29. And some of us saw you as the dipshit hick hoaxer that you are. Whatever.....

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    1. It's so easy to say now that your group is going down in flames

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  30. You are so right.

    DW Lee is astupid ass country bumpkin and Randy "driveroperator" is a stupid , gullible loud mouth, wanna be intimidator asshole.

    Fuck them Fuck the MABRC. Douchebags.

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