Calling a Sasquatch an animal is NOT an insult
Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Jeffrey Kelley, an administrator for the Facebook group, The Squatchers Lounge!.
Really Dr. Ketchum? Forcing the HUMAN aspect on these animals or calling them indigenous natives is going to get you nowhere with protection laws. There are already tons of laws on the books to protect HUMANS. Constitutional Rights? Ok then let’s drag them out of the forests and force them to wear clothes and get jobs and pay taxes after all they are HUMAN. This type of Pseudo Science has been the issue with this study from the beginning. If a scientist crossed a chimp with a human and succeeded would that animal be human? Of course it would not be. Plain and simple truth of the matter is regardless of what you THINK happened they are still a separate species and need to be classified as such. WE ARE ALL ANIMALS! Calling a Sasquatch an animal is NOT an insult.
In the coming days of the fiasco that is about to drop on the BF world the time will have come. Put your petty thoughts of what you THINK Sasquatch are and do the real science needed to classify them. Hiding all your data, keeping locations where the animals can be found and studied a secret is not going to help the situation at all. It actually bothers me to see most of these people without a clue wanting Sasquatch to be classified as HUMAN. Simple facts are they will get no special protection if that happens. If they were honestly as intelligent as many people are attempting to force down our throats the leader would have come forward for a meeting and ASKED to be left alone. Instead any sighting or encounter is short lived as they act like ANIMALS and flee the area in most cases. We didn't need to classify the American Bald Eagle as HUMAN to save that species why would this one be any different.
Sadly the people in charge of this study have given us literally NOTHING but their thoughts and words to go on. It is time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Seriously, stop trying to jerk the BF world around and make it out to be what YOU want them to be. Release all the study data and reports so other scientists and researchers have the chance to draw some REAL conclusions instead of us just getting your thoughts on the matter.
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first! Oh, and Jeff was spot on!
ReplyDeleteNope this Jeff dude was totally wrong. He seems to think by putting clothes on people alone can make someone human, is humanity in the clothes? No, that's not how we categorize. Kelley, you're totally weird. And yes it's definitely an insult to call Sasquatches animals, do you walk around and refer to yourself daily as an animal or a human? I'm guessing you prefer to be called human. Technically or biologically or whatever you wanna call it, yeah all living things are animals per se but it's wrong to nitpick like that and hang on textbook words just because the coming revelation is so shocking to you now that the species is closer to us than you thought. Language, pibedal, facial features, etc.
DeleteOh.. So let me get this straight... According to this Jeff feller, All those naked natives running around in the Amazon Rain Forest are not human and therefor should have no rights?
DeleteAnd you are again wrong about your Human/Chimp hybrid. During the Oliver fiasco cross-breading humans and chimps was deemed theoretically possible and then it was deemed scientifically unethical for the reason that you would be creating something that was still half human and thus you would have violated it's human rights.
Unfortunately those people in the Amazon really do not have rights since they are unwilling to adapt to the current world. Your seeing their govt hunt them and push them out of the jungle because they disturb logging. While this is wrong I do not see anyone risking their butts to help them.
DeleteI actually agree with Jeff on this one. If were going to give these beings constitutional rights (which is hilarious to consider) they must obey the laws of the land.
So it must go 2 ways either they are protected as an animal or they are given human rights.
What's the harm in it? It's not like our votes actually count lol. Obviously they would be amended or modified rights similar to what Native Americans have. Reservations and such. But if they do in fact have their own language and are capable of learning ours, then the game changes.
DeleteLol, you arent kidding. Our vote means squat. My thought is this study means nada without an actual specimen. I dont mean kill or capture one, but observing a colony or family in the wild and actually studied.
DeleteThere are animals that we can find with a smaller population than these creatures, but we cannot find a Squatch. I hate saying this but in order to protect them or establish rights we have to prove these creatures are real.
Calling Rick Dyer a human or an animal is an insult to either. He is a chimera. A combination of shit and toenail fungus.
DeleteCalling humans "animals" IS an insult to most. Get a clue, you ANIMAL!!
DeleteLOL
We need a body!
ReplyDeleteIn time.
DeleteYes. Every other form of evidence collecting is a waste of time.
DeleteIf you are trying to prove the existence of bigfoot and you are not seeking to obtain a specimen, you are 100% wasting your time.
Disagree strongly here. Something produced this unique dna. People ARE trying to find, catch, or kill a bigfoot(s). Consider we have a single finger bone of the denisovan hominid. Yet we know for a fact it was a unique species. We know of another african hominid that bread with africans, and transfered to them a gene that allows for faster healing. This hominid did not transfer this gene to neanderthals, nor europeans. If we have the hair of bigfoot, it is no different that the finger bone of denisovan. The dna is has unique structures to it, repeatably produced in testing. It can tell us volumes. Only one problem...we're not smart enough to catch one....yet. Perhaps we will...perhaps we won't. Perhaps we're not the apex predator we thought we were. Small note of consolation for our species....at least there's some modern human dna in the bigfoots, so we helped them become whatever they are, and contributed to their unique abilities. Nagging thought for our species....they can catch us, and pound us into the ground anytime they want.
DeleteA little unsettling for some of us.
Side note to Jeff Kelley: I really don't think bigfoot care much what we call them, or what rights "we" give them.
What are the superior abilities - to collect and share information and protect ourselves from the natural world? to talk, talk, talk, read, read, read, and live inside our abstracted minds? Or to live truly connected to the life force and natural world with deeper levels of consciousness? One guess as to who is better at the latter.
Excellent comments, James! It's great to see some intelligent dialog on this site!
DeleteIt sounds to me like this Jeff guy has had one too many beers while ranting on in the squatchers lounge. First, people generally do not refer to themselves as animals. I understand that technically we are animals, more specifically we are apes, but the average person who goes on a hunting trip hunts "animals" by their standards. (Deer, elk, turkey, etc.)
ReplyDeleteAlso, Jeff is a fool for saying that if a sasquatch is labeled as a human they would not receive any special treatment. Unless there are special laws on the books right now prohibiting people from killing a squatch and having it mounted on their fireplace, classifying them as human would ensure this act would be murder.
Your idea of pseudo-science is the exact opposite of what pseudo science is.
Essentially, everything in this article is ignorant, foolish, uneducated, ......... Have another beer and talk about something else. You make absolutely no sense with these rantings.
Well said, exactly right. He's probably some sensitive religious guy unable to deal with it they often have a problem with reality, which is why religion's such a comfortable escape route especially if throwing in some scientic lingo at the same time to sound clever.
DeleteDid not take long for the no nothing ranters to come out. Who is this guy and who made him king. What will happen will happen and probably still a long way off. Thanks Shawn for finding this Yay Hoo from nowhere and making my and a lot of other fine folks blood boil. Needed another jolt today.
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The difference in killing a bald eagle and a human is going from a stiff fine and probably no jail time with a loss of you weapon if you kill an eagle to maybe going to jail for the rest of you life or the death sentence if you kill a human. What is this buffoon talking about?
ReplyDeleteHe's nuts stuck in old lore, one of the fast fading apers.
DeleteHE SOUNDS LIKE A TATERHOLE 2 ME!!!!!
ReplyDeleteJeff needs to realize that any scientist (regardless of how qualified they may be on paper)will run into the same problems while attempting to sequence an unknown DNA strand because they have nothing to compare it to. They will take the info. and make comparisons/conclusions based on the results and history. The next person who sequences Sasquatch DNA will have Ketchums work to compare to. All pioneers of new fields experience the same problems/issues.
ReplyDeleteThe Knower
If you show that suit you can end all this
DeleteIt is people like this Jeff character that cause the notion of Sasquatch/Bigfoot to be scoffed at by main stream media and science. Those who claim to believe in the existence of sasquatch should at least shut their pie holes and wait for results before screaming about the work before they have any idea about it. Why would anyone listen if they see those like Jeff who claim to believe in the existence of Sasquatch immediately attack anything that doesn't come out of their mouth. No credibility.
ReplyDeleteWhat has no credibility is Dr. Ketchum releasing claims about her work before it has been reviewed and verified by the Scientific Community.
DeleteThis just further removes any legitimacy in anything she has done, and is just the next step in her ploy try to gain financial benefit from her so called "data", now that Wally Hersom is on to her fakery and no longer filling her coffers. The money pitch will follow SOOOOOOON..... Mark my words!
Errrrrrrrr, actually it's already de facto proven to be an existing species and seemingly of some early primitive man type race intelligent enough to elude us. That it appears to be made public knowledge shortly could mean, whoever's letting it happen now have carefully realized sightings only increase and it's better to call the species human-something now to avoid conflicts with religion. The ape theory's dead and so by calling them human you cover ground and can probably fit the species in there somewhere with religion as a lost brother or outcast, were they to reveal the species is say from another planet they'd run into the religious problem and so they've decided to go with the faith bound more justifiable human angle. Fine by me as long as we can finally prove it real.
DeleteHows it de facto proven,by being written about on a bigfoot site?
DeleteNo, by being experienced.
DeleteRegardless of whether Ketchem's report is crap or legitimate, I think the point that most people are making is that main stream media and science will not pay attention to bigfoot information when idiots like this Jeff guy who claim to believe in its existence immediately attack any report before it is even released. Regardless of whether it is released or not, Jeff gives the uneducated the idea that everything bigfoot is simply hogwash when our own people can't be on the same page by keeping their rantings silent.
DeleteIf I went to a car dealership to order a new car that had not came out yet but I had heard how great the car was and how much gas it saved etc. only to have the car sales representative immediately start ranting about how junky the car was and how the manufacturers were all "fly by night" mechanics who received their certifications from an on-line class...would I buy the car? No. Would I ever believe that the car was reliable regardless of what other people say? No. If consumer reports came out bragging on the car's reliability, gas savings, etc. it wouldn't matter to me. My opinion has already been tainted by those who I considered to be knowledgeable in the field. This is what people like this Jeff guy and others like him do when they continually attack anything not thought up by them.
Great article Jeffrey, spot on with my feelings about the matter. Sasquatch is not a human, it is it's own unique species that has more in common with the pre-human great apes such as the gorilla & orangutan. Hybridization between homo sapiens and any of the great apes is impossible, the genetic switches do not work together and cannot produce offspring, little alone pregnancy. It has been tried in a labs, with failur as the common result.
ReplyDeleteMitchell Wilson, founder of the Squatchers lounge.
LOL There's nothing ape (as in nonhuman primate) about this species, it's all man just a very different rare kind of man. Your Gorilla dream please take them elsewhere now.
Deleteuhhh No Anom 1:15... The only "Lab" testing was by the Soviets and that was by having male chimps breed with human women and then it was supposedly stopped.
DeleteLater when a chimp called Oliver who was bipedal and had human characteristics, was thought to be a Humanzee, science started looking at this again. At this time, you had scientists claiming that they successfully achieved it. However, science deemed such a practice as Unethical with possible legal ramifications due human rights violations. Then all these scientists shut up. So there were no Lab experiments as that would be illegal. However, it is theoretically possible.
"Feasibility
Humans have one fewer pair of chromosomes than other apes, since the ape chromosomes 2 and 4 have fused into a large chromosome (which contains remnants of the centromere and telomeres of the ancestral 2 and 4) in humans.[3] Having different numbers of chromosomes is not an absolute barrier to hybridization. Similar mismatches are relatively common in existing species, a phenomenon known as chromosomal polymorphism.
The genetic structure of all the great apes is similar. Chromosomes 6, 13, 19, 21, 22, and X are structurally the same in all great apes. 3, 11, 14, 15, 18, and 20 match between gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. Chimps and humans match on 1, 2p, 2q, 5, 7–10, 12, 16, and Y as well. Some older references will include Y as a match between gorillas, chimps, and humans, but chimpanzees (including bonobos) and humans have recently been found to share a large transposition from chromosome 1 to Y that is not found in other apes.[4]
This level of chromosomal similarity is roughly equivalent to that found in equines. Interfertility of horses and donkeys is common, although sterility of the offspring (mules) is nearly universal (around 60 exceptions have been recorded in the whole of equine history[citation needed]). Similar complexities and prevalent sterility pertain to horse-zebra hybrids, or zorses, whose chromosomal disparity is very wide, with horses typically having 32 chromosome pairs and zebras possessing between 44 and 62 depending upon species. In a direct parallel to the chimp-human case, the Przewalski horse (Equus przewalskii) with 33 chromosome pairs, and the domestic horse (E. caballus) with 32 chromosome pairs, have been found to be interfertile, and produce semi-fertile offspring, where male hybrids can breed with female domestic horses.[5]
In the 1920s the Soviet biologist Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov carried out a series of experiments to create a human/non human ape hybrid. At first working with his own sperm and chimpanzee females, none of his attempts created a pregnancy.[6] In 1929 he organized a set of experiments involving nonhuman ape sperm and human volunteers, but was delayed by the death of his last orangutan.[6] The next year he fell under political criticism from the Soviet government and was sentenced to exile in the Kazakh SSR; he worked there at the Kazakh Veterinary-Zootechnical Institute and died of a stroke two years later.
In 1977, researcher J. Michael Bedford[7] discovered that human sperm could penetrate the protective outer membranes of a gibbon egg. Bedford's paper also stated that human spermatozoa would not even attach to the zona surface of non-hominoid primates (baboon, rhesus monkey, and squirrel monkey), concluding that although the specificity of human spermatozoa is not confined to man alone, it probably is restricted to the Hominoidea.
In 2006, research suggested that after the last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees diverged into two distinct lineages, inter-lineage sex was still sufficiently common that it produced fertile hybrids for around 1.2 million years after the initial split.[8]
However, despite speculation, no case of a human-chimpanzee cross has ever been confirmed to exist."
yeh what he said ^
DeleteLMFAO
DeleteMagilla gorilla could talk so that shoots your theory to crap,sir.
DeleteTzieth - YES!! More, please. :)
DeletePlease no more "guest posts" from this senile, raving lunatic.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
DeleteGreat bit of truth and astute observation Jeffrey!
ReplyDeleteShe has put the last nail in the coffin of her claims to scientific legitimacy.
Bigfoot is of the devil and that animal will eat humans, kill Bigfoot and study what the Native American people have been telling us all for years.
ReplyDeleteGeeker.
DeleteThis is where the review process will rip a big hole in this study. A body is needed and just around the bend so to speak.
ReplyDeletePeople are now wanting to say they are plain human, and worry about people trying to murder them.....before calling them human because of a mixture of dna...means that you are disregarding the nonhuman aspect of their makeup. if you want them to be protected against murder, then they have to understand the laws and adhere to it themselves. no more abduction and killing of people...the law will have to enforce the law on both sides...LOL good luck........call them human, and then fill the court docket up with trespassing cases, killed livestock cases, vandelism cases, terrorizing and threatening behavior....yes laws are screwy, but to call something human that is partial ape and not expect it to follow laws made for humans is not realistic.
ReplyDeleteshut the fuck up^ you think now that the dna is coming out,bigfoots are gonna start coming of the forest knocking off 7/11's and banks.hell maybe srealing a car.please shut up
DeleteWhat an asinine statement. When they are considered "people" under the Constitution, they will be classified along with the insane and young children who cannot understand the concept of "murder" or other crimes and thus are unable to form the requisite mental state to be held criminally responsible for their acts. At the same time, when a competent adult murders or commits a crime against a young child or insane person, then that adult is held legally responsible for his/her acts. Our newly discovered relatives will be considered as "people" under the law and we will have to set up protected reservations upon which they can live and thrive. Clearly, things like IQ tests will have to be performed to guage the exact level of intelligence these creatures possess and perhaps programs can be set up to assist them in becoming fully functioning members of our society, at which time they can pursue their dreams and aspirations just as all of us do.
Delete^Whaa? Are you thinking that the federal government will declare an entire human hybrid population as incompetent? And then set up reservations for them to live on? You think that it is going to be any easier after the report is released to capture one and then subject it to IQ tests? I am sorry, but you are wrong.
DeleteAt the most state and local governments will prohibit killing or harassing them. Since they are supposedly human that will preclude them from environmental laws like buffer zones in logging etc. The feds will never set them up on reservations. Know why? Because that would mean Native Americans are not the original humans in North America. Which opens a huge can of worms.
Because of the non human dna in them, they will be classified as exactly stated in the press release. A human hybrid. The laws will be passed preventing killing and harassing. And nothing more. They will say bigfoot has survived all this time without our interference, so we will leave them be. That will continue to allow use of forests as they have been. By loggers, recreation, and other user groups.
By trying to create programs to help them become part of society, you are assuming they want to be part of our society. Their behavior so far shows they want little to do with us. Since they don't want to be part of our society are you suggesting that we capture them, remove them from their homes and try to force our ways on them? Have you ever heard of the Trail Of Tears?
DeleteI can see the movie coming out Planet of the Foots
DeleteWhere the fuck are all the bigfoots you people are talking about,not one good picture or body yet and you suddenly think they will all wind up dead?
DeleteJeff Kelley tell it true. Another fiasco in the tomfoolery of bigfootery.
ReplyDeleteIn beards we trust!
Kooker.
DeleteAnon 2.01... BF is not the devil but given opportunity and a drive of hunger, it will eat you, yes. As far as the 15,000 bce theory of Melba comes probably from statistics. This has me baffled a bit... Could this be an alien implant to our environment then?
ReplyDelete^ In Tards we don't trust!
ReplyDeleteThat would be anon 2:08
DeleteDoes anyone remember the episode of Fantasy Island in which Mr. Rourke helps a guy who is trying to find bigfoot?
ReplyDelete^get out really! ^ are you making that up ? lol
DeleteI do remember it -- great show! There was also an episode of "The Six Million Dollar Man" with the famous pro wrestler Andre the Giant portraying a bigfoot who lived inside a mountain and was controlled by outer space aliens.
DeleteYeah, from what I remember, the Fantasy Island episode invovled bigfoot creatures living on a nearby island. Mr. Rourke drops this guy off there, and he tries to hunt down a bigfoot only to have his life saved at the end by a bigfoot who pulls him up from certain death as he is dangling over a cliff.
DeleteHow about the 70s Saturday morning show Bigfoot and Wildboy? Do you remember that one?
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NNb1pgQlQo
Way to go shawn!! Happy for you man! But remember what the prez said, You did not succeeded on you're own! The GOV-MENT Did that for you!!!
ReplyDeleteSorry wrong post
DeletePeople who call themselves Squatchers should be shunned.
ReplyDeleteI got your shunning right here Fucking Amish taterhole
DeleteCan I copyright my poorly-written, snidely sarcastic ravings full of egregious punctuation errors and which lack any semblance of logic, too?
ReplyDelete^ HUGE TATERHOLE!!! ^
DeleteI heard this of MoneyMaker that Ketchum is supposed to have a vagina like an antique golf bag.
ReplyDeleteTheres a paper in peer review on that
DeleteThey are. Why else would they be so bitter?
ReplyDeleteBecause they look like drugged up cats who have had their face shaved at a a party?
DeleteJust a quess.
Americas Settled 15,000 Years Ago, Study Says
ReplyDeletethe journal Science, shows that the first Americans came from a single Siberian population and ventured across the Bering land bridge connecting Asia and North America about 22,000 years ago.
The group got stuck in Alaska because of glacial ice, however, so humans probably didn't migrate down into the rest of the Americas until after 16,500 years ago, when an ice-free corridor in Canada opened up.
I wonder how BF plays into the north america die_off, extinction event?
DeleteIf you beleave science. Don't forget science has been wrong and it does lie from time to time.
DeleteYou fools do realize the paper and the DNA don't mean anything and will not be taken seriously without a body.
ReplyDeleteSaying most people on this site probably resemble a banana with Down syndrome. I doubt they care.
DeleteYour pecker probably resembles a banana with downsyndrome...fucking taterhole
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Two days ago you were all calling Ketchum a nut and now you are worried about insulting a Sasquatch.This paper of hers doesn't change anything.Do you see anything on the real news about it?
ReplyDeleteNerder.
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ReplyDeleteBig gay Jim jr. There is no such thing as A human hybrid. They are either human or not human. If not 100% human they are something else, probably a fuctard like you!
ReplyDelete@5:44.....what if you're wrong? Here's a couple of facts for you: asians and europeans both have denisovan and neanderthal dna in them to varying degress, thusly making them hybrids. Then somebody ELSE came to the party. Human females it seems get taken advantage of, and make all kinds of little bastards. Who was this last party crasher, and why do the sasquatches always end up raising the little bastards? It was bad enough that there was ONE feral cousin we couldn't catch, now, to add insult to injury, there's ANOTHER one out there, maybe more.
DeleteDid you not read the release? It clearly states that bigfoot is a human hybrid. I used that info in my post. I have no idea what bigfoot might be. My point above is that no one should expect the feds to do anything except put in place laws to prevent killing and harassing them. If they are like me, it would explain why they have stayed so elusive. Because if they were closer to you, they would have died off thousands of years ago from being too stupid to live, inbreeding, and trying to mate with other animals like bears.
DeleteThere is nothing about that promotion/preview that suggests to me that the lab is going to reveal results during the episode.
ReplyDeleteI have haters now. I must be doing something right.
ReplyDeleteThank you all for responding. For or against the post it really makes no matter. There are a lot of good and no so good points being thrown around in the comments. Yet it does have everyone talking about it. Apparently some people didn't even read the article that this post was in regards to but that is ok.
I did not hide my identity nor will I. This post was more to relieve the stress my heart was feeling after the so called "Press Release." We have been involved in this discussion pretty much the entire day.
By the way this blog post was not copyrighted "© In Beards We Trust" is an inside joke for those in the know.
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DeleteLONG LIVE BIGFOOT EVIDENCE!!