Robert Lindsay: Skeptics Are Probably Wrong About Snelgrove Lake


In 2007, MonsterQuest ran an episode documenting scientists, Curt Nelson (biologist, University of Minnesota) and Jeff Meldrum (anthropologist, Idaho State University) who spent five days with their film crew at a cabin near Ontario's Snelgrove Lake.

One evening, during the filming of the episode, the show's cameramen and producers believed they were "attacked" when rocks and sticks were thrown at their cabin. The crew nearly wet their pants that night.

Dr. Meldrum also collected some possible Bigfoot tissue samples scraped off a wooden board with screws in it. According to the show's producer, test results for the blood, tissue and hair samples came back as neither bear nor human. "The hair did not match any known North American bear or animal and tests showed an uncanny similarity to human DNA with one exception: the irregular DNA matched that of a primate," a reporter for the New York Post wrote.

Many skeptics have argued that the area where the samples were recovered is not as isolated as MonsterQuest led us to believe. They claim villagers frequent the popular fishing destination and it probably explains why the DNA test results came back as "American Indian".

Robert Lindsay discussed this possibility on his blog post last night:

Snelgrove Lake appears very isolated. Skeptics say that there is an Indian village of 900 only 5-10 miles away from the lake where Bigfoot evidence, now the provenance of Dr. Melba Ketchum’s DNA study, may well have been found in an elaborate study that involved Jeff Meldrum, a TV show, and some rinky-dink geneticists.

The end result was supposedly “American Indian,” but all they looked at was MtDNA, and Bigfoot MtDNA is human. The sample came from a creature that stepped on a nailboard that Meldrum and others had set out to catch an intruder that had been smashing up the cabin. Something stepped on the nailboard, leaving blood and hair. How many humans have hairy feet?

The sample is said to have made its way to Ketchum’s study, and it is said to be included in the paper. I don’t know for sure, but I would guess that it’s positive for Bigfoot DNA.

Skeptics say it’s merely an Indian, and the lake is not nearly as isolated as we say it is, pointing to the nearby Indian village. Someone needs to tell Google about this Indian village because it doesn’t show up on any maps. In fact, no towns, and not even any roads, appear to be present for maybe 100 miles around the lake. Snelgrove Lake may well be as isolated as we say it is.



[via Robert Lindsay]

Comments

  1. Like anybody cares what RL says anymore....


    btw, have any of you seen the bizarre videos posted on YT by trackersthename? guy can find a sasquatch in a bowl of soup, these are the kinds of people that give footery a bad name.

    seriously, watch this video and then check out the rest of em :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3S1qm4aCdU

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    1. No matter what you have to say or how you say it stank You are the most disliked person who has ever posted here and rightfully so.You are and always will be an asshole.

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    2. ^^^ And you know that, how? Did I miss the BE Popularity Contest voting? I appreciate Stank's insight. Honesty can hurt sometimes... so you'd better learn to htfu or get another interest.

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    3. I agree, this dude,"trackersthename" could find a sasquatch in belly button lint. Your right, those are the people who turn this field of study in to a laughing stock. Lord forbid you you tell him you dont see what hes trying to point out; he crys and whines like a little bitch.

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    4. Regardless of what you think of Stank, he is correct with his opinion of trackersthename. tracker is just like squatchmaster now, but he didn't start out that way. tracker used to make some interesting videos but then one day he went all "Bigfoot is everywhere".
      I don't know if that's working for tracker or not.
      Disliking Stank does not negate what he presented.
      Just my opinion.

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    5. the professionals in this field make it a laughingstock.

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    6. It's the wanna be professionals, hoaxers, and paranormals. Meldrum, Randals, ect are awesome. People who find them a joke are only getting info through this site and don't get the true research they actually are doing.

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    7. Stank is a much better poster than you could ever dream to be Anon.....All you do is follow him around and post: "^^^^^Stank Ape"! like its some ground breaking discovery. No, what it is, is strange. Again, you bring nothing to the table. Stank actually posts things you can discuss.

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    8. I thought his name was Hill Billy.

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    9. it's the name I used for my blog "Deranged Angry Hillbilly" after I found that awesome Bionic Bigfoot picture i started using it everywhere.

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  2. the lake isn't listed on this road map of ontario, but by using google maps and the official road map of Ontario I was able to locate it here http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/traveller/map/images/pdf/northont/sheets/Map16.pdf

    it's almost exactly between 2 towns: South Bay and Slate Falls, about 20 miles from each, no indian villages are listed, and no major hwy really , but that doesn't seem to stop people from driving around up there judging by all the dirt roads and trails I can see

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    1. Try Google Earth.Slate Falls is actually about 8 miles from Snelgrove Lake and Slate Falls Airport is about 5 miles away from the lake.Both these estimates are as the crow flies.

      There is a main roadway about 2 to 2.5 miles from the lake.
      If you've ever have ridden on an ATV it wouldn't take much time on to get to the lake from the main road.

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    2. Ps. Slate Falls is listed as First Nation.

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    3. didn't see that on the map I saw (i must admit that I didn't check the legend either so...)

      my bad

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  3. The track on the screw board was way to big for human. If someone busted their butt through the terrain and woods to get to this cabin just to mess this place up rather than steal something would be a tall tale. I'm going with real. Also the interview on the Bigfoot blog radio of the camera man is good stuff.

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    1. Are you referring to the interview with the MonsterQuest producer Doug Hajicek? That was an awesome interview and he comes across as very credible. He rented the cabin for many summers and has had many encounters.

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    2. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bigfoottonightshow/2012/10/01/special-guest-doug-hajicek

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    3. Dude,quit talking to yourself.
      It's to fricking obvious.
      If you wait more than the 1 minute inbetween post it will look like more than one person talking.

      Concerned poster,
      Dr. Phil

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    4. No I didn't respond to myself idiot. Stop assuming crap.

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    5. Whatever... I have nothing to gain by doing it moron. Just because I suggested a person that I liked listening to why the hell would I respond to myself ? Makes no sense dick weed . . Answer to anon 7:14 - yes it was Hajicek. Great resource on this subject.

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    6. Oh ok,thanks for answering me(myself)!
      Lame dude,real lame.

      Are you lost child of Sybil Dorset ,you know,that crazy lady that had like 15 0r 16 people living in her?
      You really need help.
      I'm worried for your safety and the people around you.
      Please seek professional help.If not for you for the people around you.

      Dr.Phil

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    7. Shut The F*ck up Phil. Your the loser posting as a fake Dr Phil. What's your problem jackass! Sounds like your bi-polar.

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    8. Hahahaha lmao!
      That would be typical around here.

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    9. steve does the same shit,sends himself fan mail,sad

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  4. Those barefoot Indians up there must have huge feet !

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  5. If there is so many roads as the skeptics say there is .Why did they fly a plane in the video to get there.

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    1. Google Earth Snelgrove Lake/Slate Falls Airport Ontario Canada.You will see the road and the distance.
      It's all there and by the way I am a believer.

      "Why did they fly a plane in the video to get there."

      For dramatics? I don't know that one but it is Television.I do like Monster Quest,thought it was one of the better cryptid shows but just Google Earth it,please.

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    2. Why didn't Meldrum just make a new boards with screws and take the whole one stepped on? Odd, they took a small sample and handed it back and now complain the sample was all used up without definitive results.

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    3. Typical academic. All brains but zero common sense.

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    4. Because they're dumb when it comes down to it.

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    5. anon@7:44

      There ARE roads nearby, but it's got to be easier to just fly a film crew, equipment...etc than it is to drive there, unload gear onto ATV'S and then go through old trails to the cabin. Locals may do that to get around, but it isn't very practical for a mass of people.

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  6. I think you all have the wrong spot. This area is nowhere near any road or settlement of any kind. Pure bush and forest for miles and miles. Google map has Snelgrove Lake in the wrong spot. It is miles off. This is a common problem with Google map , but people take what it says as accurate all the time ... it's not.

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    1. Ok,we'll just leave it at that.

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    2. Your correct. I have flown to and fished this lake over 10 years ago and it's incorrect on google. You can't even get near to that lake without flying there. Please stop verifying your info on the computer anon 8:04, People also won't discover Sasquatch on the web. Get out and get real experiences and quit taking info from the web as truth and evidence.

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    3. Wow,just wow.
      Like Dr.Phil said,it's not good to answer your own post.How many more people do you have hidden in your lop sided head bitch? 8,9 maybe 10?
      What a dipshit kumquat sucker.
      Captain Obvious taterhole licker.

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    4. I guess anyone that will listen to him.

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  7. BTW , Google Earth has the same problem.

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  8. A barefooted, hairy, and drunk Indian to miss the screws in a board sitting right in front of the door.
    BS, no human stepped on that board. Those are frequently used to keep bears from breaking down doors. Grizzlies do it often in seasonal vacation cabin communities in Montana. In 1978 and 1979 the Giefer Creek grizz ripped up about a dozen such cabins in the Mission Mt.s of west central Montana. A good friend on the Border Grizzly Project out of U of M in Missoula was tasked with foot snaring, collaring and radio tracking him. My guess it's common elsewhere. Actually in real bad areas they will spike the door also.
    My point, no Indian would have stepped on it. They would all be aware of such techniques.

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  9. The board was placed by the owner and not Jeff Meldrum during the offseason to protect against bears, and I think it may have been there for two years before being examined by Meldrum and Nelson, and they noted how old the blood and tissue appeared. Prior to this the guys cabin had been ransacked in a way that did not suggest a bear due to the insulation of the fridge not being torn out. There had been a several year history by both owner and numerous guests of bigfoot type activity. Also the outline of blood on the board was 17 inches and much broader than any human foot and definitely not bear.

    As for the location, the show said it was (I believe ) 200 miles from the nearest town and could only be accessed by plane. I remember looking at mapquest at the time several years ago and the actual location was very remote indeed, so I think we can rule out any first nation people as the rock throwers.

    It was a very good show as was typical of the monster quest series and I wish they would bring it back.

    PS. Before Doug Hajicek became the producer of Monster Quest he was involved with another show a few years earlier when they were interviewing Bob Gimlim. The producer requested that they offer Bob one million dollars to tell the real story of how the Patterson film was hoaxed. Bob politely responded that he would indeed like to have the money, but could not do this as the facts were the event as he always tells it.

    Chuck

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    1. Thanks for that, Chuck. Always enjoy your very well-informed common-sense posts.

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  10. Dr Phil is accusing people of answering themselves, obviously he stands alone because nobody agrees with his messed up crap It appears by the language he uses that he is guilty of the very thing he is accusing others of. FREAK!

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  11. It must be real, the Monster Quests Narrators voice sounds almost as convincing as Rober Stack. This event is the only BF encounter that keeps me coming back to this pathetic sight. The day they prove this a fake I'm going back to Nessie..NY Mouth

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  12. DR. PHIL FINNA PROVE THAT BIGMANE

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  13. Here's something to consider (and I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed) BUT, if a human steps on those nasty screws (or a bear) and gets several puncture wounds and bleeds, wouldn't the pattern be spread out a little due to the blood? I mean, when you pull your foot off the board it's gonna bleed like hell, and likely not in a nice footprint pattern (or if it did, the pattern would be significantly expanded.) I don't think it would make a nice footprint shaped blood pattern. would it?

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  14. I have to use my "Stupid Stamp" for all of this foolish crap

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  15. The Monster Quest crew went out there for one reason - to get evidence of Bigfoot. They had 5 days with all their tech and experts, then decided to hide from the 'attack' on their cabin. If they had one chance to get something convincing on film, THAT was it. They should have all rushed out into the woods with cameras and flashlights to find it, it was close by. It would have been captured on film. I'm a believer but I think their lack of evidence there was far too disappointing.

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  16. Hello everyone. I am from Ontario Canada and have been up that way several times. There are lots of "logging roads" or service roads all over northern ontario that wind through areas that people haven't been in generations. Even though there's a road listed it might be impossible to travel. Also roads that aren't listed exist as well. The logging roads are very seldom traveled up there by anyone other than really fast logging rigs who drive like fucking.maniacs. it's another reason people don't drive them. I used to drive really slow with the windows down up there listening for engine breaks because that'd the only way you know they are coming and the dirt roads are narrow. So it makes sense there are roads and still it's secluded. If you haven't been to Ontario it's massive and very low population up above central ontario. These things have been sighted here even as far south as 40 minutes north of Toronto. Which is incredible.even Algonquin Park is way south of that area and it's said to have a population of one or another type of creature.

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  17. Hello everyone. I am from Ontario Canada and have been up that way several times. There are lots of "logging roads" or service roads all over northern ontario that wind through areas that people haven't been in generations. Even though there's a road listed it might be impossible to travel. Also roads that aren't listed exist as well. The logging roads are very seldom traveled up there by anyone other than really fast logging rigs who drive like fucking.maniacs. it's another reason people don't drive them. I used to drive really slow with the windows down up there listening for engine breaks because that'd the only way you know they are coming and the dirt roads are narrow. So it makes sense there are roads and still it's secluded. If you haven't been to Ontario it's massive and very low population up above central ontario. These things have been sighted here even as far south as 40 minutes north of Toronto. Which is incredible.even Algonquin Park is way south of that area and it's said to have a population of one or another type of creature.

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  18. And no if you step on a board like that you would rip your foot off it right away before it bleeds. I stepped on a nail and it made me flinch really quickly and when I observed the bottom of my foot the wound was just starting to bleed because of how quick I stepped back off of it. I assume this creature would have reacted the same way. Alot of stab wounds don't bleed until a few seconds afterwards.

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    1. You would have blood on the nails because they were deep inside but it wouldn't gush like that right away. I think it's very real what happened here.

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    2. And yes everyone I'm responding to my own posts. Some of you bicker and argue and its rediculous. I thought this was a safe place for us people just to let it out. If the guys a dick just ignore hI'm and Noone will read his garbage. Let's all get along

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  19. I really wish bigfoot nutjobs pull their heads out of their asses and back their claims up with facts. The lake location is correct on Google Maps and it clearly shows roads within just a few km's. This is a map of the Snelgrove lake area from the website that operates the cabin .

    http://clarksresorts.com/assets/uploads/Maps/Snelgrove%20Lake%20Good17.pdf

    and it is identical to the area depicted in Google Maps showing the logging roads and the nearby airfield.

    https://www.freeimage.us/share-4833_5B92E679.html

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