Wednesday, June 20, 2012

The Bigfoot News That Started It All


Last June, Robert Lindsay published an interview with a hunter who supposedly had inside information about a recent Bigfoot shooting incident. Many important figures in the Bigfoot community was mentioned in the article, but the spotlight was on a lesser-known individual, a hunter from Sacramento, California. This person created a thread on Taxidermy.net titled: "If You Saw Bigfoot, Would You Shoot It?"

Shortly after posting the thread, it was mysteriously deleted by the forum administrator, but later recovered by some tech-savvy individuals:

Post by: Smeja on November 07, 2010, 01:24:27 AM

Call BS if you want but this bear season I saw a bear in Northern California that walked on 2 legs and was pale white in color like a pale yote sorta. Like some grizzlys I’ve seen but whiter. It stood 8 feet tall or so and walked like a man. Could have been a grizzly (highly doubtful). I don’t know for sure what it was. Maybe just a monster black bear that got shot in the front leg years back and learned to walk different. I don’t know. I do know I was not alone when I saw it.

I shot it with a 25-06 behind the shoulder at 120 yards. It ran 70 yards into the brush and crashed. Sounded like a car wreck. I never found it. Not saying it was bigfoot at all – it just looked different from any bear I’d seen. If it looked any more human-like, I would have passed on it. Something wasn’t right there, oh and it was prob 600+ lbs or more. So to answer my question, I suppose the answer is probably yes for me, but not if he looked any more human then what I shot.

In the following news article from June 27, 2011, Robert Lindsay was still scrambling, trying to recover the original Taxidermy.net thread. At the time, he had only heard rumors about the shooting and had no idea who the hunter was: 


Posted June 27, 2011

New Erickson Project News: Bigfoot DNA Project Using Two Dead Bigfoot Bodies for Samples

Note: Long, runs to 24 pages.

I was recently put into touch with a hunter from Western North America who is quite well known in his field. You might even say that he is famous. He and others were the subject of a recent book, and he often gives talks at various forums. He was formerly employed at America’s foremost science museum but is no longer working there.

He is considered to be at the top of his field, which I will not reveal here. He is also a hunter and travels around North America hunting. He especially likes to hunt bears. This puts him in touch with many other hunters. He is also active on taxidermy boards. He has deep ties to the Erickson Project and the Olympic Project.

He will be known anonymously as Bear Hunter in this article, as he only talked to me on the grounds that his identity was kept secret.

Robert Lindsay: Hi, what made you decide to get in touch with me?

Bear Hunter: Well, I read your article where you interviewed Richard Stubstad, and I thought, “Wow! This guy is hot on the trial! He’s really close. He’s closing in. So I decided to fill in some blanks for you.”

RL: Is there a reason why you decided to spill the beans on this hot news to me just now?

BH: Yes, I am getting very impatient with the pace of this project. You know, it’s always coming out this year, then next year, then this year again, then next year again, then this spring. I’m getting tired of it. I want to jumpstart this project and tell them to get going and finish it up.

RL: You say you have some blockbuster news regarding the Erickson Project Bigfoot DNA study, right?

BH: Yes I do. This all started from a thread on Taxidermy.net, a website where I hang out. There are sometimes threads on Bigfoots, and in this one thread, in November 2010, a guy said that he had just shot two Bigfoots! The guy is a trapper, a taxidermist and a hunter. This was huge news of course, and pretty soon there were lots of followup posts. Somehow the guy’s name and number got out, and there were reports of people bothering him and harassing him. He asked the webmaster, George Ruff, to shut down the thread. George shut it down.

Well, afterward, I got in touch with the guy and talked to him for a while. Adrian Erickson, Matt Moneymaker and Tyler Huggins all got involved. Moneymaker and Huggins are with the BFRO (Bigfoot Field Research Organization). Erickson had heard of Bigfoots getting shot; actually, he has lots a number of stories from Canada where they get shot pretty regularly. But, as he put it, “I’ve never been two weeks behind a shooting before.” Everybody was scrambling after this guy!

RL: How was it that the Bigfoots came to be shot, and were they killed?

BH: In November 2010, [name withheld] was hunting on the border between Nevada and California, inside California, near a game refuge. (RL: Based on my investigation, it took place in or near the Dixie Mountain Game Refuge west of Frenchman Lake on the Plumas National Forest in Plumas County. It borders Washoe County in Nevada. See a map here).

On one side of the game refuge, there was this single road in a canyon leading into and out of the refuge. Bigfoots were apparently using the game refuge, since they are safe from hunters there.

The guy was on this road when he came upon a large dirty-white (RL: supposedly female) Bigfoot standing in the road. Since the narrow road was the only route in and out of the place, the Bigfoots were forced to use this road whether they wanted to or not. The Bigfoot was standing there waving her arms at him. I thought maybe she was telling the hunter to back up so the Bigfoot could move through, since the Bigfoot was stuck on the road, no?

The guy stopped his truck and jumped out. He knew it was a Bigfoot, but he thought she was threatening him. The Bigfoot knew his intentions by now, and she started to run away. He shot her with a 25.06. He shot her through the side of her chest, piercing her lungs. The Bigfoot took off into the brush, but he heard her crash down soon afterward.

Next thing he knew, he heard barking sounds coming from the side of the road. There were two young Bigfoots there that popped up out of nowhere. They were brown-colored. The hunter shot one of the young Bigfoots dead! He’s an idiot, right?

It died in his arms. 4 feet tall, 80 pounds. He said it had a huge head, and then I knew it was a young Bigfoot, because the young ones have gigantic heads while they are still young. The head is more normal sized as they get older. Remember that “Pancake Video” from the Kentucky Project, where the young Bigfoot has a huge head that everyone was saying was a human with some birth defect? Well, that is what they look like when they are young.

Have you seen the Jacobs footage that they say is a mangy bear? The shooter told me the juvenile he shot looked just like the Jacobs creature.

RL: Yes, what is it? A bear?

BH: No way. It’s a juvenile Bigfoot. You can tell by the hips. And the neck. The thing has no neck. I know bears. I love bears. No way is that a bear.

RL: Why did he shoot the adult Bigfoot? He says he thought it was a bear.

BH: No. He knew what it was. Because of the color. Bears don’t come in off-white. Anyone knows that. He shot it because he thought it was threatening him.

RL: Why did he shoot the juvenile Bigfoot? He says it got up on an outcrop and was threatening him.

BH: No, that’s not true. Why did he shoot it? He’s that kind of guy. I know a lot of hunters. Most are good people, but some are not. There are a lot of guys like him out there hunting. People shoot things just because they can, just to kill them. That’s why he did it. He did it because that’s what kind of person he is.

RL: What did he do with the Bigfoots?

BH: He told us that he left them lying there. There was snow on the ground, so we figured that there might still be enough time to go in and get the bodies. Pretty soon, we decided that the guy was probably lying. We thought he probably took the bodies, because taxidermists are hoarders – they never leave anything they shoot in the field.

RL: The Olympic Project says they went back to the site over two weeks later and found a bit of flesh on the ground, left over from the shooting. They used this bit of flesh to slice up and submit to the DNA project.

BH: No, they told me they never went back there.

RL: What happened to the dead Bigfoots?

BH: Well, we put the hunter in contact with the Olympic Project that is working on Bigfoots in Washington State. We didn’t hear much for a while, only that the OP folks kept saying, “We are just trying to keep [name withheld] out of jail.” The hunter was convinced that if California figured out he shot these two Bigfoots, he was going to jail. He was really afraid of going to jail.

RL: Ok, then?

BH: Moneymaker and the BFRO were in on this too. It was a mad rush for those bodies!

We didn’t hear much more for a while until the Olympic Project starting sending samples to Melba Ketchum for her DNA project as part of the Erickson Project. Some of the samples that the EP was getting were of tissue, and they looked like they were carved off a dead body!

(RL: One sample appeared to be carved off of the thigh of a human or hominid cadaver. Dr. Ketchum was so freaked out by the sample that she called people up asking them to hold it for her in case the police came to her lab, because she was afraid of going to jail.)

The samples had two different colors of hair. Obviously, the Olympic Project was sending Ketchum samples carved from the bodies of the two dead Bigfoots? Isn’t that incredible?

RL: Who has the Bigfoots, the hunter or the Olympic Project?

BH: I think that the hunter still has the bodies or he has parts of the bodies. Maybe he cut parts off them before he left. If he has the bodies, he has probably cut them up, cut off the heads and has them on ice. They can last a long time like that. I don’t think the Olympic Project has the bodies.

We did a lot more digging, and we found that now the hunter is associated deeply with the OP. He’s part of their project. The OP is not admitting to anything. They deny it all, they say they have no dead Bigfoots, and they don’t have access to any.

RL: Incredible news!

BH: Yes, there’s more too. Notice how the Olympic Project is all over the Internet boards talking about how they have enough Bigfoot samples to last for years? Guess why they say that? Probably because they have access to two dead Bigfoot bodies! Think about it.

RL: Too much…Do you know about any leaks from the Erickson Project DNA study?

BH: Yes, I do. They are very close to humans. Say if chimpanzees are 2 clicks away from humans, these things are maybe 3/4 of a click away.

RL: Ok, and they are in the Homo line?

BH: Yes, I am sure of that. Recall that say 50,000 YBP, there were maybe five different hominids on the planet. Homo sapiens sapiens, Homo erectus, Homo Floresiensis, Denisova, Homo heidelbergensis and Neandertal Man. All of these other hominids are gone. What happened to them?

RL: We killed them all.

BH: Yes, we killed them all. So the only thing that could survive was something that was huge, very stealthy and wary, hated humans, favored the most remote areas, had the use of bad smell to ward off enemies, used an intense EMF field to paralyze and disorient enemies, was very strong and had a very thick skin that was hard to penetrate. They’re the ultimate survivors of our genocidal wars.

RL: Do you think they are humans or apes?

BH: I don’t know. You know Bindernagel wrote that book, America’s Great Ape, but then after he saw the Bigfoots in Kentucky, he changed his mind. Now he thinks that they are hominids. But I know one fellow who saw one face to face on a trail. He said it’s ape-like; it’s an ape-man. So who knows?

RL: Do you have any info on the Kentucky Project?

BH: I do. Erickson bought that place, and he got a lot of great video out of there. He installed Dennis Pfohl and Leila Hadj-Chikh there, and they shot quite a bit of Bigfoot video. Erickson said he had so much good Bigfoot video that he was getting tired of taking pictures of them. At one point, he brought Bindernagel down there to see the Bigfoots. Bindernagel was able to see them. He also wanted to bring John Green down there, but he was very sick with prostate cancer and could not make it.

A friend of mine saw the famous video of the young female Bigfoot walking in the forest. She walks towards the camera, then sees the camerawoman, growls and turns away. He said there is no way that this could be a costume. They also shot video of a huge male at that site, but everyone is keeping very quiet about that.

RL: Do you believe that Erickson is in it for the money?

BH: I get tired of hearing this. Erickson has sunk $3 million of his own money into this thing. $3 million! He hasn’t made one nickel back.

RL: Do you have any information about Erickson’s movie about Bigfoot?

BH: Yes, it’s finished! 100% completed. They are just waiting for the DNA study to finish up, and I have no word on that yet.

RL: Do you know if Dr. Ketchum has any TV or film interests in the works?

BH: Yes, she is involved with National Geographic. They want to do a special on Bigfoot, and she is involved in that.

RL: What’s the relationship between Bigfoots and trappers?

BH: Bigfoots hang out along traplines and raid them. I heard of one case where a Bigfoot got caught in a trap. The Bigfoot got himself out of the trap by bending the solid steel! Unbelievable!

RL: You say you hear a lot of stories of Bigfoots getting killed?

BH: Yes, I get a story about every 2 months. They range from recent to pretty far back in time. There are many stories coming out of Canada too. Erickson also has many stories. It’s the same story every time. People kill it, and it looks so much like a human being that they leave it in the field because they are afraid they are going to be prosecuted for murder.

RL: I say that if you believe in Bigfoot, you must also believe in a few things. 1) People are shooting at and killing these things fairly regularly. 2) There must be a government coverup. 3) We are photographing and videotaping Bigfoots on a fairly regular basis.

BH: I agree. As far as a government coverup, of course the government must know about these things. And I know that the timber industry knows about them. And people shoot them all the time.

There was a recent case in Alberta where the Fish and Wildlife people were poisoning wolves. They are supposed to tell trappers about this, but they didn’t in this case. A trapper found a dead wolf partly eaten and huge tracks leading away from it. The tracks were of a Bigfoot that had been poisoned by eating the wolf. The guy tracked it for a while but then lost the trail.

He reported it to the Game people, but they paid him $20,000 to shut him up. They kept saying, “So, you lost 5 cougar dogs tracking that thing. That’s worth about $20,000.” He hadn’t lost any cougar dogs. He finally figured out they were offering him money to shut him up, so he took the money.

RL: What’s the motivation for the coverup?

BH: In Canada, they are worried about resource lockup. They are afraid it will shut down logging. I know that up there, as soon as there is a Bigfoot sighting, the timber people get word of it and come in and clearcut the area. They do that to drive the Bigfoot off, because they don’t want the Bigfoot on their logging land. They’re afraid it will keep them from logging the land.

RL: Do you think Bigfoots are getting habituated to humans in any way?

BH: Yes, a friend of mine in Alberta told me about a Bigfoot that was living on the outskirts of the Nordegg dump, living off the garbage, foraging food out of the trash. People tracked the thing way back into a remote area and found its nest. All sorts of stuff from the dump had been hung in trees 8-10 feet up, bicycles, chairs, you name it. The Bigfoot was decorating its home with that stuff.

RL: Wow!

BH: Yes, I have so many stories. When I go to give my talks, I always say if you have any Bigfoot stories, come up and talk to me afterward. Every time, people come up to talk to me. All sorts of people. They haven’t told many others about their sightings, and every case, they have not reported it to any private or public agency.

One guy told me how he was hunting in a swamp in the Southeast US, and he passed out from the swamp gas. The stuff can overwhelm you and make you pass out.

He woke up, and he was next to a spring. There was a huge 8-foot Bigfoot crouched down next to him, offering a cup of water from the spring. The cup had been hanging from the spring. People sometimes hang metal cups from springs. He took a drink, passed out again, and then woke up again later on. The Bigfoot was still there, and it offered him another drink. He drank it and passed out again. He woke up the third time, and the Bigfoot was gone.

RL: Do you think that tracking dogs are good for tracking Bigfoots, say in order to capture one? Jeff Meldrum has been talking about that a lot lately.

BH: I think dogs are useless when it comes to tracking these things. You know, I am a hunter, and I use tracking dogs all the time. We take people out on guided hunts, and I hunt myself all the time using guides. Dogs will track anything, but they won’t track these things. The meanest dog on Earth will be left pissing, shivering and whimpering by his master’s legs.

I knew one guy who sent six dogs after a Bigfoot. Only five of them came back; the sixth was torn up. The other five dogs were so traumatized that they were useless as trackers. They would never track another animal again. And these were good tracking dogs.

RL: What do you think of Bigfoots’ use of infrasound?

BH: I am not sure that they use infrasound. You see, all animals have an EMF field that they give off, and these things do too. One of my theories is that these things have a very strong EMF field that they give off, and they may be able to manipulate it. One thing you notice is that when these things are around, everything goes quiet, and most of the animals around take off. That’s because of the strong EMF field that the Bigfoots give off. It scares the crap out of other animals.

I know that they use this field to disorient people. Erickson said he was being chased out of the forest in Canada by one once, and he was so disoriented and delirious that he had to keep looking at the moss on the trees, because you know, moss only grows on the north? That’s because the Bigfoot was disorienting him so much that he kept getting lost.

I am going to test this theory out by buying an outfit that they sell for $100. It neutralizes your own EMF field. Supposedly, you can wear it and walk right up to animals and touch them.

RL: Were you always a Bigfoot believer?

BH: Not at all. I was a skeptic until five years ago. Then I started looking into this thing, and all of these people started coming forward, including people I had known for years and trusted completely. I started getting swamped with these stories, even people I had known a long time had stories, but they had never told me! I dove into it, started doing a lot of research, and soon it became completely obvious that these things exist. People can ridicule me all they want to, and they do, believe me. But I don’t care; I know they are real.

RL: Have you met any skeptics who saw one?

BH: Many times. And a lot of them were hardcore skeptics. But then they saw a Bigfoot, and they all changed over to believers. They said that their lives were changed completely.

Here's the official word from the Olympic Project regarding the incident. This report by Derek Randles cleared up most of the rumor/disinformation:

Olympic Project

Sierra shooting

This incident occurred in October of 2010 in Northern California. The persons involved will be known as Hunter 1, and Hunter 2. Hunter 1 is the shooter. Hunter 2 was driving the vehicle.

While driving down a dirt road looking for bear, hunter 1 and hunter 2 were noticing large piles of feces along their route. They commented on the amount they were seeing, and at the strange nature of it. They were having a rough time figuring out what was responsible. To big for Cougar, and didn't appear to be bear. It is important to note that they were hunting at considerable elevation. It's also important to note that they were legally hunting, with appropriate bear tags in a legal hunting area.

As the truck came around a corner they both noticed a large hair covered figure standing approx 80 to 100 yards in a meadow off to the side of the road. ( On the Bigfoot forum I previously said it was off to the left, that was my mistake, it was actually off to the right of the road.) The figure was standing on two legs with it's arms above it's head. It took roughly eight to ten steps toward the vehicle. The arms were moving a little either because it was walking, or it was intensionally swaying them. It was dirty grey in color with some black mixed in. The figure was very large. Hunter 1 decided it had to be a bear. It was completely hair covered, and from that distance good definition was impossible. Hunter 1 got out of the truck and leaned against the door aiming his riffle at the figure. He does admit that it looked strange but in his mind it had to be a bear. He did not believe in Bigfoot at that time. Hunter 2 was now looking at the figure and said " I'm not sure that's a bear". The shot was fired hitting it's mark in the chest region. The figure went down. It got back up immediately and started running on two legs, and then on all fours. It went from two legs to four legs a couple of times before it left view. A short time later they were very sure they heard it crash into the brush, although they never did confirm this. They couldn't believe what they were seeing.

They exited the truck and started across the meadow still wondering what just happened. When they reached the spot where it was standing they noticed movement in the nearby brush. Two smaller figures appeared from the brush and started circling around their position. The smaller ones were totally hair covered, but were much more black in color. They would go back and forth from two legs to four. They were exhibiting some type of chatter back and forth to each other. Hunter 1 and Hunter 2 described them as a cross between a gorilla and a bear. They said that they had very large heads, almost too big for their bodies. They also stated that the little ones had a much flatter face than a bear. They spent as much time on two legs as they did on four. The smaller figures began getting closer and closer, at on point, just a few yards. One of them climbed up a small outcrop above hunter 1. Hunter 1 started to get the feeling he might be attacked. He made a quick decision, turned and fired. The figure went down and rolled right down to Hunter 1's location. He lifted it up, and then placed it in the brush. They then decided that they needed to leave, now.

I, Derek Randles was put in touch with the hunters about two weeks later. I interviewed them both by phone extensively, and separately. I found that their story matched perfectly with no inconsistency's. I could also tell that they were natural and not rehearsed. Consequently, I've spent many many hour talking with hunter 1 one about all aspects of the story, and I completely believe him.

I then urged hunter 1 to return to the site and look around for any evidence from the incident. Upon returning they were greeted with roughly two feet of snow. The little one was not found. They concentrated their efforts in the area where they thought they heard the larger one go down. After digging though the snow for many hours they were able to find a piece of flesh, greasy fat and hair, but no body. The flesh and hair matched the color of the larger one exactly. White gray hair with some black in it.

I then asked him to forward a small piece of the flesh to Dr. Ketchum to have it analyzed for the current DNA study she's involved in. I cannot speak to the results at this time due to an NDA I've signed, but I will say that I 100% believe the story. Read into that what you will.

The site has been under snow since last November. Further study of the site is ongoing. To date, no bodies have been recovered or found. If and when a body or remains is discovered, the appropriate authority's will be notified.

The Olympic Project and Dr. Melba Ketchum do not advocate or condone the killing of a Sasquatch to advance science. That being said, if this sample can help with species verification and protection, then some good can come from a unfortunate incident. It's also important to note that this is but one of over a hundred samples the Olympic Project has contributed to this study.

Updates on this story will be available on this web site, and the story in it's entirety will be told by Hunter 1 when the time is right.

Thank You,
Derek Randles.

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    1. You can't murder imaginary monsters.

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    2. No one but the most naive or hopeful believes Smeja's cock and bull story; few others are willing to believe the convoluted reason he gives for not producing body or part. Go on, hate away. NOTHING will come of the "Sierra kills", in my opinion. As is often the case with bigfoot evidence, the interesting question is:" Are the players hoaxers, or just mistaken?"

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    3. LMAO. You have to kill a 100% human to be a murderer. Learn something, it's 100%, not 96%, 97%, 98% or 99%. It's 100%

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    4. So you would limit rights to only "pure" humans and not allow rights to other hominids?

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    5. I cry every time I think about these poor defenseless Bigfoots losing their lives at the hands of a cold blooded killer.

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    6. I cry whe I think that people who actually believe this shit are walking around free, and have internet access. Geez. Nothing was killed, go buy his book and make his hillbilly ass rich, he did NOTHING but lie. what a friggin joke.

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    7. Timmy the rambler, they didn't murder imaginary monsters they murdered primal people. Sad but true.

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    8. they didn't shot anything ya retard.....

      sweet jesus some of you people need some serious therapy

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    9. Primal people huh? Primal people that use "infrasound" and super strong EMF fields to disorient Bigfoot researchers? Wow that is fuggin talent right there. So one lives in a dump, and they found the nest? Wow! Let me guess they shot it, but just like hundreds of times before it was so humanlike they just LEFT IT THERE? Oh and the part about Ketchum being scared of implication in a murder because of a sample, we later saw a pic of, that looks like bear hair sewn to fake fiber? That shit is just wayyyyh toooooo funny LOL I dont know what to say, except you, Mr Anon are defending it!!!

      So you are basing the primal people comment on the bullshit about Ketchum? Where is her paper or why wont she release her "amazing videos". Why wasnt Dr Meldrum included in site visit to Kentucky like the dead man, and so sick man he just couldnt make it? Lies upon lies, garbage and bullshit, and again the amazing psychological dysfunction of some posters here that has me ADDICTED! I love this blog!!

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    10. Oh OK wait ...so we always hear on Finding Bigfoot and frome everyone researching that these things can move through mountains and woods effortlessly thanks to tree grabbing, compliant gate, mid-tarsal break, size, longer arms and hosts of other adaptations?

      THIS interview claims the Bigfoot have to use a fugging ROAD and theres only one way in/out from Justins Sasquatch Slaughterhouse? OMG I cant take anymore, too damn funny!!

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    11. MAMABEAR,

      I laugh at you hysterically because you are so clueless that its pathetic. I'm not limiting dick. The law states that murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of a human by another.


      Its real simple. Nobody can be charged for killing a fucking Sasquatch unless there's a law particular for Sasquatch.

      Sasquatch is not 100% human and anyone who kills one would walk Scott free if they're being charged with murder based of the law itself.

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    12. @Timmy-"Justin's Sasquatch Slaughterhouse" too damn. funny. man. OMG LOL I am still crying so hard over this^^^^^^

      Too Funny Timmy!!!!

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  2. Closing in on 2 years after the "incident" and no proof outside a few interviews, a sketch, a DNA project that's never coming out and a bunch of hoaxers laughing at us.

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    1. Don't forget Barts got the boots :).

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    2. Although I dislike even thinking about the event, I am shocked the DNA analysis was not released upon completion, independant of any "study." I hope Dr. Sykes shows more compassion for Justin and BFs by releasing immediately his results for that sample, which apparently is being represented by Dr. Meldrum now.

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    3. Or apparently not. Last time I read anything connecting Prof. Meldrum to this circus was his taking umbrage with being quoted,"This is what I've been waiting for". True, the beef was with Lindsay; but other than that, and getting zinged for calling a sample coyote hair, I doubt Prof. Meldrum or Prof. Sykes has anything to do with this. Also, Bart Cutino allegedly has blood samples from the boots. You would think he would mention if he has been in contact with a project everyone is thinking about.

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    4. I have no first hand knowledge of such, you are correct. Until recently I expected some release of some data somewhere, I am not so hopeful for that today. Perhaps I have wishfully placed these samples in Dr. meldrum's hands because of the close association of Justin, OP, Dr. Meldrum and Bart as well as my high regard for the Oxford/Sykes entry. Which also kind of concerns me, in that a poor showing by BFers of samples could be a major set back for involvment of conventional science/academia...certainly his results will be highly regarded among all of us anyway?

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    5. Thanks apehuman. If Smeja's samples are a major find, naturally they should be in the hands of pros; but I don't have faith in his story, think the link between Meldrum and him is merely that they are both associated with the large Olympic project and(without evidence to the contrary) believe guys like Cutino and Randles are just doing their due diligence.
      The Sykes team will hopefully make an interim announcement when they are done with the vetting and collecting, then it might be time to wonder/worry.

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    6. Since Bff a-z sierras thread, cutino has made it clear his involvement was in regards to performing dilligence and just restated that on kulls show a few weeks back when he confirmed he had smeja's boots. He also cautioned others about getting excited until they are blind tested as well as being very pessim & outspoken about dr. ketchums study. Get the feeling he's not a big fan of hers.
      Dr. Meldrum on the other hand has also done things by the book imo though i believe he's had limited role thus far just examining flesh on site? For all we know the sierras steak may be with sykes study or be part of it. Im not
      holding my breath but am ok with approach by parties involved when it comes to OP, cutino and Dr. meldrum.

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  3. Clear hoax. Note the original story....now note the "full story".

    Bigfooters, youv'e been had. AGAIN.

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    1. The original story was third hand. Justin's telling has been remarkably consistent. That doesn't mean it's not a hoax, it just means your premise is severely flawed.

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    2. Not to worry, please stand by. There will be more 'earth shattering evidence' to come along soon and the bleevers will feel a renewed hope. They'll once again be able to tell skeptics how the are going to gloat when Bigfoot is proven to be real. You just gotta have a little faith.

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    3. Thanks but no thanks trolls, we don't need or appreciate your staged concern.

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  4. This will go done in history like the "Travis Walton"

    tell (movie/book "Fire in the sky") you either believe the guy "and his buddies" or not.

    Also, like above, it shows YOU CAN make money on "a story" with-out proof-a good story can pay off.

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  5. Quote: “They’re the ultimate survivors of our genocidal wars”….

    And apparently we are hell bent on finishing them off completely…

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    1. I couldn't agree more Anon at 5:06am.

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    2. In reference to Smeja's complete LIE, I laughed out loud when I read your comment.....and I also laughed out loud when I read that in the story. "EMF field" to confuse and disable me? Where do people come up with this shit seriously?! LOL at anyone who believes Smeja!!!!!!

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    3. We never laugh harder than when reading tabloid talker Timmy's troll trash tosh. LOL

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    4. Timmy did your daddy beat you up when you were little? Did he bully you the same way you come here and bully people? Its ok you can tell me.

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  6. "Bait and switch advertising is when a company offers consumers an appealing deal and then changes the deal when consumers make direct inquiries."

    Folks that are interested in the truth, must need only ask for proof.

    If no proof is forth-coming in short order then
    move on.

    shop else where.

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  7. If he killed Bigffot ill will kill the guy miself.

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  8. Who is Bear Hunter. Does anyone out here know. Would love to sit down and have a few beers with this guy and here some stories.

    Chuck

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    1. If you do Chuck I hope you'll share his stories. Sounds like he's got some great ones.

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    2. I read somewhere that it was Jim Shockey.Don't know if it was true though.

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    3. thanks for the tip anon 9 39. I will do a little research on him.

      Chuck

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    4. Chuck,if you find anything on Shockey please let us know.

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    5. I know who Bear Hunter is, and normally I would guard his privacy. However, he was outed long ago as Ken Walker, famous taxidermist from Canada.

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  9. A complete and total pile of rubbish.

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  10. I never heard a bunch of bull like this interview. Well , i take that back. Just about everyday more crap comes out.

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  11. Lots of people cant see the holes in these stories?

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  12. So justin initially said he shot a bear. Then the bigfoot hunters called him, he realized "hey i can hoax/have fun/make money off these guys, and he gradually built up his story or the BFers "filled him in"
    Justin "yeah it was a weird bear"
    BFer: yeah, it had a coned head right? Squatches have coned heads"
    Justin: um.. Yeah.. Totally...
    BF "and the bf juveniles...?"
    Justin: huh? Oh.. Um..
    BFer:"did you shoot one?"
    Justin: "ih yeah, yeah i shot it.. And held it in my arms..*sniff*

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  13. I have been visiting this blog for about seven months, and have to confess I don't see any persuasive developments with Sasquatch. So, I am going to try an experiment and delete the bookmark and stop dropping by. I believe if any really important discoveries are made we will hear about them through mainstream media. All I have seen here is nonsense,hoaxing and the same old soap operas. I came as an interested party and leave feeling a bit foolish.

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    1. You mean the below wasn't entertaining?

      Smeja
      Ketchum
      Bigfoot in a freezer
      Erickson
      Hoveys Photo
      Bigfoot seen driving a taxi-cab in Florida
      and much more...

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    2. Oh and don't forget this is the location for the internship from Troll College for the class how to make oneself look stupid.

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    3. I think your plan is valid. I recommend you replace the bookmark with something more staid and reliable (within the parameters of the topic!) such as bigfootencounters.com....the "what's new" page will apprise you of major news and there is an enewsletter monthly. The historic articles are fairly deep and foundational for someone new to the topic. This rolling format of the silly and serious has it's moments, and offers a wonderful bulletin board of sorts for those of us who are condemed to think about BFs too much...

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    4. Why dont you come back and make fun of those who do still believe like we do?

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    5. You probably learned a few things; maybe not all directly from posts and comments, but by googling around.

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  14. This story is disturbing all the way around.

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    1. Disturbingly bad and made up...its Bleevers like you who are going to make this redneck liar rich.

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    2. To anon at 12:52pm

      And you know this how?

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    3. Easy,Bigfoot+Rednecks=$$$

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  15. Shawn& RL this was an excellent article. It was interesting to read what BH had to say.

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    1. You musta just fell off the turnip truck. This crap's been around forever.

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    2. Only for the Bfers really, a fairly insulated internet community for lack of interest and credibility in society... I think Finding Bigfoot and some other highly visible media has expanded the audience considerably and this story is not so aparent elsewhere with the "non-BF community" exposure this site has... and the blog format quickly buries "old news"... so to person who took the time to read and post above, welcome to the world of the rough and tumble internet BF posters! I agree it was an interesting interview, and one day maybe we shall know if it is true.

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    3. Let me help out: There isnt a chance in hell that this even MIGHT be true.

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    4. Let me help you then: leave.

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    5. To Anon at 9:30 am

      I read a lot of the info before but to have it all combined here in one article can still lead to a good article.

      It doesn't mean someone had never heard the info before however SOME of BH's info was new to me.

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  16. What kind of absolute idiot takes a shot at a bear with a .25-06? Let alone an immense bear that's walking upright.

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    1. Psychotic serial killer genome poacher scum?

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    2. I don't think smejas hunting or firearms knowledge is up for debate. Most people consider him a professional hunter. If i had to guess its your lack of understanding of ballestics that would promt a comment like that. Smeja is a licenced guide in the state of Alaska on and off according to a radio interview he did. He has killed several bears elk caribou and a few moose with that same 25-06 without ever wounding any.

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    3. A bear is a significantly tougher thing than a moose or elk. The .25-06 is generally considered a fine choice for anything from varmints up to elk, but bear hunters usually use something significantly heavier. Bears are usually hunted in thick brush at close range using a .30-caliber magnum.

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    4. In my day we hunted bear with chewing gum and a railroad spike. and we liked it that way!!!

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    5. Bigfoot kills intruding bears with his evolved spear tipped, bone filled penis.

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    6. Ha ha Nick. You made a funny : )

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  17. Sounds like an interview with Biscardi Biscartti Biscuit Discards? Whatever his name. Sounds like a load of bull. At least most of it. I mean this line right here sounds like a bunch of crap. How does he know, do they have a toll gate set up? Deer 20 cents Bigfoot 50 cents.
    "Since the narrow road was the only route in and out of the place, the Bigfoots were forced to use this road whether they wanted to or not."
    As far as the shoot anything mentality of Smegma, he should be fined and his guns melted down for paperweights. And I've been hunting my whole life. Other than a few woodchucks, I've never blasted anything and let it lay. And when I say woodchucks, I don't mean the human kind. Though I've known a few that needed blasting.

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  18. Sally Meldrum Bindernagle here,

    after analyzing the "steak" I came to the conclusion that it was merely the remnant's of a Biscardi hair piece (he's known to shed them occasionally) so , nothing to see here

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  19. Bears tougher then moose? Really? Wow. Where the f are you getting your information? An average adult CA black bear is 240lbs and that's tougher then a 1000 pound moose? A normal moose bullet is a 45-70, 338,375h&h,450 marlin. Where as a normal californoa black bear gun is a 270 a 30-30 or a 44. Bears have very little fat and their hair is very soft. Hence a bear rug. You obviously have no idea what your talking about

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    1. That comment was to raven at 1127

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    2. I know a number of local moose hunters, and most of them use either .303 Brit or .30-06. Bears might be lighter, but they're of a completely different build, and the field situations are very different from moose hunting. Most guides won't allow anything below a .30-06 and prefer a .300 Magnum.

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    3. Once again that's simply not true

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    4. Oh really?
      http://www.biggamehunt.net/forum/caliber-black-bear
      http://www.gunblast.com/JoeRiekers-BearHunting.htm
      http://bearbums.net/2008/08/14/bear-hunting-caliber-recommendation/

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  20. Like it or not, Smeja is bound to make tens of dollars from his book... I can see about 9 people in these comments that will lay out $19.95 "just to take a look for myself".

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    1. So you're reading minds now? Is that part of the Troll College curriculum?

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    2. No sir,it's part of the Jref college curriculum.But thanks for asking just the same.

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  21. anything is possible, but y not grab the body nd drive off??

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    1. I don't know, you're telling me I had a lottery ticket and just threw it away?

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  22. trolls on here could learn a lot from smeja,

    successfully trolling the whole bigfoot community, to the point where there have been blog posts about him for months and months and successfully trolling a scientist to the point of basing a DNA study on it.

    Successful troll is successful.

    +1 to smeja.

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  23. Hey Bigfooters -

    Any news on Smeja's bloody boots? I hope Bart is storing them in controlled atmosphere storage. This is key piece of evidence, no?

    Nutzhak Rabin

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    1. not really when the person testing the dna wont release the results

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    2. I am willing to pay very good price for boots and analyze at university. Who contact in USA?

      - Nutzhak

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    3. Contact-''YO MAMA'' NUTSACK RABIN LOL....

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  24. Bart wisely downplayed potential results in recent interview and said that he's currently vetting independent labs (away from Melba Ketchum) and was concerned about cost, and they only get one shot etc.

    I doubt he'll except money, but be prepared to be vetted. Not off to good start with your name if fake I'd imagine "Nutzhak."

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  25. Try getting ahold of him on FB "bart cutino" I think we're friends on there or email Bfro or Oly Project, he's in both

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  26. If Smeja's lying then he should look into becoming a "professional story teller". He's that good and will have duped me if indeed this whole thing is made up. I like to think I'm pretty good at determining when people are lying during their witness accounts. He passed the test multiple times. I'm not saying it went down 100% as he told it BUT I truly feel like he shot something that wasn't a bear and wasn't a guy in a suit. If I'm wrong, I quit.

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  27. Was just notified about this thread and just wanted to clarify that the "anonymous" poster above isn't me.

    Thank you for your interest Mr. Rabin, and you are correct that if the Sierras event happened as purported by both witnesses, the boots are potentially key pieces of evidence and "non-circumstantial" in nature.

    Right now we are currently auditing different labs (university & private) for potential processing in the very near future and are down to several candidates.

    If you are associated with a university and are interested in potentially examining them, feel free to contact me asap through this site (Shawn has my contact info to pass message on to me) as we will begin performing due diligence immediately

    Although I appreciate the preliminary monetary offer, I respectfully decline as my only objective with the boots (and personally promised to witness) is for an unbiased and reputable independent party to objectively examine them and would not part with them for "any" price.
    As I've previously stated publicly, from my position, there are no guarantees in either the reality of the Sierras event as a whole (without corroborating evidence) or... of verifiable physical evidence present in the boots, without completed forensic examination and validation.

    In the interim, the boots are being appropriately stored for intended processing.

    Thank you

    Bart Cutino
    CA-BFRO, AIBR & Olympic Project

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    1. If you're talking about the post at 9:46, it wasn't intended as being made by "Bart Cutino".

      That was just my feeling on the whole saga. Again, if you're referring to that post at 9:46, that was just my (some guy on the Internets) feelings on the matter.

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