Bigfoot Caught On Film Ten Years After Patterson-Gimlin Film
Editor’s Note: Jonathan Poulsen has been researching the Sasquatch since 2008, but really involved himself heavily in 2011. He has since devoted his life to the near impossible challenge of verifying the existence of the Sasquatch. Shawn refers to him as the Bigfoot encyclopedia.
On the 7th of October, 1977, Frank White and his wife, Lorraine, were in the Mt. Baker region of Washington state filming movies of the scenic fall colours when Lorraine suddenly shouted "There's a bear!". Without much hesitation, Frank quickly trained his 8mm camera on what he called "A North American Ape", something that was completely different from a bear. The film clearly shows an erect creature walking through the dense brush.
Whilst retreating from the humans, the creature turned back to look at them, twice, the second glare was a menacing stare. They took the aggresive facial expressions on the creature as a warning to get out of there, and fast! Mr. White, the vice president of the Scientific Progress Association (an organization which serves to promote interest in scientific developments), gave a public showing of the film on October 16th at the University of British Columbia. Unfortunately, this film is more than obscure. In fact, the average Bigfooter has no knowledge of this particular film. No known copies of this film have been released to the public (although some researchers believe it may have been shown in the 1978 film 'The Force Beyond).
But why? Well, this film was supposedly better in clarity and quality than the Patterson-Gimlin film that was taken ten years prior. This was not something Rene Dahinden wanted to hear, seeing as he owned some of the rights to the Patterson-Gimlin film. So could Dahinden have taken action and put an end to the short-lived publicity of this film? Who knows. The film will most likely never be released seeing as how the White's were described as elderly at the time and the film was probably thrown out after their pressumed death.
And for the record, I deny the allegation that the film was shown in 'The Force Beyond', mainly because the creature in the film does not match up with the creature in White's film (a single still has been released) and the photographer of that film was described as an anonymous attorney, not as Frank White, the vice-president of the Scientific Progress Association.
So what's the point?
ReplyDeleteExactly what I was thinking. Good grief.
DeleteHoly smokes, my exact thoughts as well. I mean, I kept reading and reading waiting for something of value to be mentioned but in the end nothing was accomplished. Worthless.
DeleteYes, all well and good. But I've heard that there is actual footage of the big woman and the small woman (in bikinis)featured on this fine site. Please can someone find this. I need someting to do while I'm waiting for the Ketchum DNA paper. Cool post by the way. Very intriguing. Fingers crossed the footage is not lost for good. It would be such a shame if the public did not get to see actual footage of the big woman and the small woman (in bikinis).
ReplyDeleteVery interesting, thanks Jonathan/Shawn. Anon above; I get your frustration. Tim, U.K.
ReplyDeleteThanks Jonathan. You're right as I have never heard about this film or the Whites before. It would be a shame if the film had been thrown out after death. You said the film clearly shows an erect creature and is very clear. How did you learn this. Has anybody that say the film at the viewing been interviewed?
DeleteChuck
Chuck, there are 2 newspaper articles about the film.
DeleteWell, maybe a relative is reading this and goes back through that trunk in the attic? I know a family who threw away a trunk full of the old glass silver photo plates, of indegenous peoples and western landscapes, taken by their father in the early 1900's. I was shocked, but things happen. By the time he died he was in Alaska, the kids all with full lives and so on, or maybe didn't like Dad and resented the time he spent in the wilderness. I always thought a tragedy, but a reminder, what we value isn't always translated to our kids...so publish before you perish!
ReplyDeleteYou are right apehuman. Surely there is/are copies of this film somewhere it would seem.
DeleteChuck
So true apehuman, so true. Exactly why I'm getting rid of some of my collections at this time.
DeleteThe "film" does not exist until it comes forth. Right now it's a picture and a story suggesting there is a (thrown out) film. Sounds like a particularly meaningless hoax to me.
Deletehere's 'the force beyond'
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAVqGOLCWE
I'm lazy. Could u tell us at what time in the film the supposed footage is shown?
Deleteabout 19:30 in with a little introduction.
DeleteSorry about my post below, I did not see that Anonymous had posted alink to the movie. I wouldn't have done so had I seen.
I believe that footage was made for the movie. These films were kind of like today's "reality" shows, real, yet not.
DeleteEven if the film doesn't exist anymore, I have oddly never heard about this story, the Whites, or seen the single frame. So I for one am glad to learn about it. It's funny because I've heard of fake stuff like the Ivan Marx films for years, yet never ran across mention of this in any book I've read. Maybe the potentially good stuff does get buried? Anyway ... thank you!
ReplyDeleteIf i manage to record sasquatches, i'm going to send my film to Harvard University.
ReplyDeleteMake sure to send a copy to several prominent researchers too. If there is one thing I've learned from Melissa Hovey, it is that sending evidence to only one place keeps it quiet.
DeleteSally here,
ReplyDeleteI think its time for me to check in, act like I am important and spout off a bunch of bullshit I know is not true.
I would also like to talk about how I worship Melba Ketchum. Everyday I will get down on all fours and kiss her feet. I follow her to the bathroom so I can wipe her ass then sniff the paper. I believe Melba is a god and I will do anything I can to make the rest of the world see this.
that's a ROTFLMAO he he he heh..ahh
Delete"come on kids lets flip our lids,
higher than the mooooon!"
-beanie and cecil-
Is this cyber-bulling? Grow-up, child.
DeleteI guess Sally dumped Janice?
Deletenot cool.
DeleteDefinitely not cool. Please behave like adults and not teenage boys.
DeleteWho hosted the viewing? The anthropology department? The science fiction club? Maybe JP or someone else knows something about the viewing itself; reactions etc.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I will be making a follow-up article about the film. There I will bring up the UBC showing.
DeleteRene Dahinden would have tried to own it, not suppress it.
ReplyDeleteI suspect yet another tall tale.
It may be a tall tale but it was written about by B. Wasson and Rick Noll had knowledge of it as well as Dahinden.
DeleteOK, I made the mistake of getting excited about this and did a quick look. A YouTube account hosts that 1978 film A Force Beyond here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v56ELtsNf-U&feature=related
ReplyDeleteand the new (at that time) bigfoot footage is introduced and played at about 19:30 in.
It stinks. I know Jonathan Poulsen mentions in this very article that he DOES NOT think it's the same footage mentioned here. And I do not know. It's shaky and blurry enough that almost anything could have been pulled out of there as a still M.K. Davis style. And I really doubt this cool film of a sasquatch looking back at the camera with a menacing stare will ever surface. So take a look at this, it hasn't made the rounds that I'm aware of either.
All kidding aside, has anyone watched that clip on A Force Beyond yet?
DeleteYes I did. It was a short clip of a hand held camera filming the actual filmstrip, so judging the quality isn't completely fair, it's been processed and lost quality through 3 or 4 different conversions (film to projection, Filmed the projection, Converted to digital, uploaded to Youtube) so obviously the quality is going to be not very good. Plus they only showed a couple seconds of it. I'd be really interested in seeing the actual footage digitized only once.
Deleteahhh, another tale of "absolute proof" that will never materialize.....just another day in bigfoot believer world. When Ketchum and Smeja have failed to provide proof, dig up tales of a 40 year old home video that may not even exist. Great idea!
ReplyDeleteAnd still the trolls abound.
DeleteI knew it, I just knew there had to be some good footage out there somewhere that showed definite proof of these amazing creatures. This will be a game changer and...what?...you don't have the video you're writing about? It's a film that's been rumored to exist? No one has actually seen said video?
ReplyDeleteWell this is all completely understandable and I can empathize. 20 years ago, I captured clear 8mm footage of Mothman. It was a full frontal shot, from about 10 yards. He was just standing there, then he suddenly took flight, right before my eyes and I captured the whole thing on film. I put the film in a box in the attic, for safe keeping. I left it up there for about three years. Then one day a tornado tore through the area and lifted the entire roof from my house, taking my Mothman movie along with it. It took my dog too, but he could be replaced. I was devastated by the loss of that film and I cringe every time I think of it and how I could have proven that this creature existed.
Oh, what the digital age has wrought... LOL
DeleteThis film was shown, if not extensively, at least in BC for public and reporters. What was he supposed to do then? Upload his 8mm to YouTube in 1977? Copy it to DVD and distribute it? VHS???
I have no way to verify the authenticity of the video, but in out recent history, it was possible for things to be lost to obcurity. There are news articles that give a fairly good description of what is seen on the video, by reporters who went to the showing.
David from the PAC/NW
Thanks David. Good to know.
DeleteThanks Dave for agreeing with me that there is nothing more than anecdotal evidence that this film ever even existed. Good job of paraphrasing what I posted.
DeleteHave some links to those news articles? I'd sure like to read them, probably very interesting. I'm surprised the thread author didn't link them.
Can't copy/paste on my phone. Google "Spokesman Review Oct. 18, 1977" - page 6
DeleteThat's the only one I'm finding quickly. Low Res. and hard to read... you know Sasquatch-Blurry.
David from the PAC/NW
Ok, your Google search yielded nothing, but I did finally find the article that you quoted using different keywords.
DeleteThere are more than a few news items to be found. Most of them are the same text in the story you posted. So, I must say you are right that there are archived news stories about this movie. There is also a snippet about a news reporter that claimed to have seen the film.
There is one part of the news article that I find very interesting. Here's the quote from the article.
"He said he became interested in Sasquatch reports last April and has kept a vigil in the woods for them. But he was not looking for a Sasquatch when he encountered the ape"
So then, White obviously had a predisposed interest in Sasquatch. That's funny because Roger Patterson did as well. What a coincidence. I find this to be a major red flag.
Judging from the words that the author of this blog post used, it seems apparent that he also read that same story, but left out the part about White having an interest in the subject before the alleged incident took place.
This is just an example of what I've seen Bigfooters do, over and over, leave out facts and information that might cause someone to think their story is a hoax.
Gonna have to put the FAIL stamp on this one.
Sally here,
ReplyDeleteI just finished giving Dr. Ketchum a sponge bath and I wanted to check in before preparing her lunch and giving her daily foot rub. She says if I am good we can soak in the hot tup together later.
Tomorrow I am going to have her name tattooed on my lower back.
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I'm gonna get "Sally here" tattooed on my lower back
DeleteThis 'Sally here' joke is getting old now.
DeleteNo its nothing
DeleteSally is doing a splendid job of keeping everyone informed of the day to day happenings.
DeleteSally forth.
I always hoped this video would resurface... Right in my backyard. :)
ReplyDeleteDavid from the PAC/NW
The video resurfaced? When do we get to see it?
DeleteNo, a future hope.
DeleteDavid from the PAC/NW
Trog!
ReplyDeleteYeah it does look kind of mask-like, I'd say it's yet another Bigfoot fake and remember there were a lot of those bad suit movies about in the 1970s. Ivan Marx, ect.
DeleteFake and Gay.
ReplyDeleteI think we need to start combing ebay and Goodwill to find some old 8mm and 16mm movie cameras. Clearly bigfoots don't have the same aversion to film as they do to digital. Hand wound, non-electrical cameras don't seem to bother them, while the electronics in modern cameras alert and frighten them.
ReplyDeleteBigfoot no like robot camera, robot camera bad, steal Bigfoot soul. Bigfoot no want lose soul, soul good, belong to Bigfoot, lost without soul. Bigfoot then have no purpose.
DeleteClickety crank'm up camera not bad, not good, but not bad too...Bigfoot tolerate.
Bigfoot.
Lol. Too funny!
DeleteThank you for a good laugh this morning.
Deletethe original footage was bought from the White's shortly after it was taken
ReplyDeleteWhere is your source of this information?
DeleteHello all:
ReplyDeleteI just got off the phone with Jack Bindernagel who is thrilled this video has been discovered. He said "Back in the 1970's MK Davis brought over some strange tobacco we smoked from a glass pipe. A few friends showed up and this video was mentioned...." He woke up two days later wearing MK's clothes and remembered the video and has been looking for it ever since".
He also said "go check out Big Shawn's site- that bitch Sally is getting hers, that ho had it coming for years".
So I said "Jack why don't you like Sally"? his response was "same reason as everyone else she never chipped in for beer money and did not shower for days. She stunk like a Florida Bigfoot who just ate a pot of chili".
OMG!!! She's a Bogartfoot!!! I'll check in with my bigfoot buddy on this...
DeleteI hope that when our data is out that it will afford protection for our hairy friends.
ReplyDeleteI have seen awsome videos people do not want to exploit these beings.some day soon we will know for sure who they really are I know but have no physical proof....keep trying to get them to let me film them...or interveiw one...I hope someday they will allow me to.
ReplyDeleteIdiot
Deletegrey wolf stupidest post ever...but i bet you qualified for Melbas DNA project now
ReplyDeleteSally here
DeleteI feel I must respond in order to set the record straight, Grey Wolf will not be a part of the DNA project being conducted by the greatest human being ever to walk the earth, Dr. Melba "toast" Ketchum.
One day she will see how much I do love her and we will be together. After she proves that Bigfoot exists she will become rich and we can run away together and by a vineyard in France and make the best wine anyone has ever had. We will live on French bread which I can make into pizza and I will spend the days braiding Melba's long golden hair. It will be like a fairy tale and she and I will live happily ever after raising children conceived by artificial insemination using the sperm of MK Davis.
You will all see when the paper is published in the year 2020, it will happen.
2020? that's much SOONER than I expected. I can hardly wait, I'm giddy with anticipation, like a little school girl, waiting for her first period. Thanks so very much. Sally forth.
Deletelmfao! MK Davis can stabilize the conception footage and give us an analysis of the white sperm bigfoot
DeleteSo where's the film? Put up or shut up.
ReplyDeleteB.S. - Suckers...
ReplyDeletePGF is fake, this is fake, then what other "evidence" is left? none. Bigfoot does not exist.
ReplyDeleteMore troll bullshit what do you care then.
DeleteI think your fake
DeleteI agree, all the evidence suggests, "Burden of Truth," is a real person: However, I've never seen him, ergo, he is fake.
DeleteRead this, "BOP":
Deletehttp://www.oregonbigfoot.com/docs/nasirpt.pdf
It is for educated minds, and consequently is filled with big words, but you'll get the denotation as there are a few pictures for you.
http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/docs/nasirpt.pdf
DeleteIs an excellent link/source of reference for an educated mind such as, "BOP."
It is the scientific analysis of the Patterson/Gimlin film.
Sally here
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say that I'm very sorry to see all the mocking that's going on here. Myself and godess Melba would have appreciated if all these posts were deleted or else we will stop the facebook page so none of you guys can read all the good information we have to share.
Now I'm off to tuck Melba inn nice and tight so she can get a good nights sleep.
*sigh* I feel so let down..............talk about an anticlimax.....lol
ReplyDeleteI have an even better film of bigfoot in my attic. It's next to my original Monet painting and my orginal printing of The Declaration of Independence.
ReplyDeleteHi Jonathan,
ReplyDeleteI think this information is very intriguing. It's quite possible there are films lost to obscurity and to estate clearing of the deceased. (There are likely hoaxed material that have met the same fate, of course.)
I wish the film could be found, but at least the still exists. It might be worth the while to reach out for witnesses of the showing and see if they will speak about their opinions of it.
As much as I loathe most reality television of today, there are some that are interesting, such as "American Pickers." Maybe that's a project that could be launched...people scouring 'old stuff' from far and wide looking for Bigfoot films, lol. It's even possible there are some out there that are wildlife or hunting footage that has something unidentified lurking in the background that could be enhanced with today's technology. We see stuff like that today enough. Doing that "dry" would be a massive project, however, and possibly turn up nothing. Just throwing some thoughts out. It's far better than much of the 'reality' crap floating around, at least it has a goal of sorts. I was a big fan of 'Court-TV' until it became endless marathons of repo operations and tow truck services from around the country. It's beyond me how there is that much interest as to be profitable for an abundant line up. (Sorry but that is a pet peeve as my favorite obsessions are cryptids and true crime/forensics!)So I wish Tru-TV would just stop, please just stop...lol. "Forensic Files" needs a rescuing network, ID perhaps?
Anyway, I was really intrigued by the article and your writing is top notch. Keep it coming.
Since 2008 so JP was about 10 he is a kid for Gods sake thats why you see all the childish comments.So what has it come down to,the "Little Rascals" meet Bigfoot?Give me a Break....
ReplyDeleteThe post gave information I had not heard about previously. It is well written and informative. That's all that matters.
ReplyDeleteThe invasion of unrelated and childish comments are on every post lately, no matter who has written it or what the post is about.
That the writer is young shows that age doesn't necessarily equal maturity, and probably has a bright future since he writes better than a lot of adults I've come across. Further, how many of us admit we caught the bigfoot bug as kids, many from the Boggy Creek movie?
For all we know some of the most childish comments are coming from 40 year old adolescents. And it's well known that some people never outgrow being assholes.
The writer is busy researching and writing quality posts, not leaving unwarranted hateful comments about someone else's work based on something irrelevant. So who's the mature one here?
Bullshit.....................................................................it just never ends.
ReplyDeleteHere is the newspaper article regarding the Frank White film:
ReplyDeletehttp://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/383751_10150929605120721_10150169543715721_21567451_1587243427_n.jpg
picture is of course a blobsquatch...frustrating.
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