Thanks To Comments, Dude Who Uploaded Deer-Fox-And-Bigfoot Footage May Have Just Dug Himself Into A Hole
While feverishly working on an analysis of the "DEER AND FOX!" video originally uploaded by YouTube user ricter65 on Feb. 20, 2009, Damian Bravo (Sasquatch Lives?) went back to read the YouTube comments and discovered an odd comment left by the uploader:
I didnt notice the guy or whatever it was till i watched the video later, i was paying attention to the fox and deer. yes crappy video shot with a kodak Z712IS camera in video mode zoomed out all the way, btw i dont count myself as a squatch believer. But if he exsits it would be pretty cool!
- ricter65
We usually reserve judgement. But to be honest, the comment above doesn't make any sense. What do you mean: You didn't notice the giant furry man-like creature who's 9 feet tall with all the animals staring as it walked away?
Okay, so he says he wasn't paying attention but we're pretty sure he's going to receive a ton of questions/criticism for his comment. According to Damian, he hasn't returned any emails regarding the context of the footage.
Here's the video:
You need your eye's checked if you can't see that man with his back to the deer, then he turns around and waddles like he is old. You can see pants, and grey head of hair. Are you seriously saying that thing is all brown and 9 feet tall??? You want it to be a bigfoot so bad that you throw all reason and sanity out the window,. Jeeeesh!
ReplyDeleteThe video was uploaded in 2009. And when I watched it the other day it only had 584 views. If someone went out of their way to hoax a video 2 years ago...... They are very bad advertisers! The video was labelled "fox and deer" was it not.
ReplyDeleteAnd by making that statement you can take my name outa the hat as a new skeptic on finding bigfoot. Don't know if it would work to well.
Rye and ginger tonite too, BTW.
It's an old man. He might be hairy, but still, just a dude.
ReplyDeleteIt's possible that he could have been focused initially on the deer and fox, and if he was looking through a view finder while recording, he may not have seen what was beyond. I do this a lot - I pay attention to what I'm focused on. The main focal point seems to be the fox.
ReplyDeleteBlue windbreaker, khaki pants, grey hooded sweatshirt. Grandpa, is that you?
ReplyDelete"It's an old man. He might be hairy, but still, just a dude."
ReplyDeleteLOL!! Yes,this is probably fake (PC aided fake I mean)...but an "old, hairy man"?? How many naked or half naked old hairy (hairy like an ape!!) men have you seen in the middle of the woods recently??!! LOL!!!
Never mind - probably no one apart from the video shooter has (will have) the right answer to this really very cool video
best, Joerg
I still like it. Still weird. John
ReplyDeleteI think the Bigfoot was photo shopped in. If you notice
ReplyDeletethere's a white shaded part almost like an aura that moves with image as it walks off.
Oh jeez. It's very apparent that it's an old man in the video. Any other criticisms you toss at the filmographer is moot.
ReplyDeleteNot even furry. Just an old man wearing a dark windbreaker. LoL.
ReplyDeleteDamnI thought it was real and I didn't believe any video of Bigfoot anymore well Live and Learn !
ReplyDeleteI agree with most of the comments regarding an older Gent with a dark jacket and light pants. Not sure why so many people mistakenly see a BF when the video is blurry. This one you can plainly see the gray hair as compared to the darker area, where the person is most like wearing a dark jacket.
ReplyDeleteIt is a person in a coat you can see the pants. sorry folks no bigfoot here...move along.lol
ReplyDeletethanks
People who make absolute declarations about this video are just seeing what they want. You are just as bad as the FB Sasquatch people who state every video is a sasquatch. Nothing is clear about the figure, who knows what it is. It could be a person, it could be something else. It is another inconclusive video, although it is one of the better ones just due to the other wildlife in it.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how he could be focused on the fox and not see that thing. They are very close to eachother in the frame. Sounds like he just doesn't want to admit it's his big fat uncle Bob in the video.
ReplyDeleteEveryone is wasting energy on this one, in attempts to make it into what they want it to be (bigfoot). It's just some dude walking by, and another filiming the animals. Simple as that.
ReplyDeleteIt seems evident to me, based on how the footage was framed on the deer and fox that the person taking the footage was not focused on or possible even aware of the figure in the distance. Also, it is evident to me that the size and gate of the subject in the distance is consistent with 'Validated' Sasquatch movement characteristics. I would give this a high probability of being legitimate!
ReplyDeleteThe coloring distortion on the subject that people assume to be clothing on a person is actually a product of the poor video quality and multiple variations of light reflecting off the subject as it moves. The size correlations and movement reaction of the subject alone suggests a high probability of a legitimate siting. Qualified individuals should acquire the location and conduct a recreation with a large individual and perhaps some artificial deer and fox positioned appropriately. This would provide scale reference that would eliminate the possibility of this being a human.
ReplyDeleteThis thing just screams huge and massive to me. I see no clothes. Certainly not an old man, much to graceful, arms appear to go close to knees, turns and moves so reminiscent of the Patterson Bigfoot.
DeleteThe height of the grass the creature is walking in is purported to be 4 foot high, and only comes to the lower buttocks of the creature making this creature at least 8 foot high. You are right about the light variation and reflection. Only way to get this right is a reenactment as you suggest, however this would best be done in summer or early fall when grass is same height. I hope it is done.
Chuck
Completely agree with you, Anonymous 9:34 and 9:43.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous..sorry it's still a person and it is common for deer to stop and watch...had this happen many times in the woods.
ReplyDeleteSome people see bigfoot in their bowl of oatmeal each morning....poor video will not create waist lines...if it was a BF the color would be consistent...but at this person walks to the right you can see their hair,waist line,different color pants...this is not a bigfoot..it's a person. Plus the arms are too short to be a bf but consistent with a human.
Look for the first article, Drawing done by one of the guest writers name Damian Bravo , He made it from a picture of the video frames, posted calculations and explains the possible hieght of the dark figure, I think they said that he was doing more reaserch on it.I think it evens explains how he got the calculations, but he does stated that theyy might be off because of the poor quality of the video.
ReplyDeleteThey should do more follow ups of the video anyway, hopefully, maybe they found more stuff then what meets the eye, could be their making sure that is legit. I want to know if whats on their is really a man or what.
ReplyDeleteTom, fair enough on your points. I disagree with you on arm length, which to me appears near 60% of body length. Color/Shape distortion is an issue due to poor video quality, which 'could' account for an assumed waste line, clothing, etc. I note how the pixel color and shape change constantly when the subject moves. On another point, I am wilderness educated and it appears to me that the fox, and possibly the dear are aware of the person taking the video, yet even after the subject in the distance walks away, their attention remains on it and not the videographer. I am not totally convinced this is legit and in no way am trying to convince anyone. I do think however it is a good candidate for recreation with a large human as the subject, which would answer some very important questions if done well. Should a recreation show legitimate size and scale for a Sasquatch, I would put this event in the ‘highly probable’ category. Just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI believe in Bigfoot but you can see very clearly that this is a man in some type of dark jacket and you can see his pants and look closely and you can see his head with lighter colored hair above his jacket.
ReplyDeleteI feel that the image distortions due to poor video quality are too great to accurately discern clothing, hair color, waist line, etc. There are several frames where the head disappears, the assumed waist line disappears, and the body color morphs into darker or lighter tones against consistent background tones. Without a recreation for comparison, it is too inconclusive to say it's a human in clothing. Not trying to convince anyone. Just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteInitially, it looked pretty convincing, but in the very beginning it is clear that the figure has light pants and a winter coat on. It's still neat, though.
ReplyDeleteThis video is my second all time favorite (next to Patty.) Its got foreground and mid-ground elements directing attention to the star in the background. Doesn't get much better than that.
ReplyDeleteToo bad its blurry and the photographer didn't pursuit the creature. Again.
Oh well, back to the reality of boring old real life science.
P.S. a new planet was discovered 22 light years away.
Thanks for that "PS"! So close and right in the "Goldilocks Zone"!!! Science is awesome...
DeleteDavid from the PAC/NW
I don't see that as a person. It's way too big. And the way the animals show respect? That's the most amazing thing.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the leaping buck is running from another Bigfoot we don't see? Or its just plain freaked out. Deer aren't necessarily known for their brain power.
Even with all the contrary evidence I believe this one. I've just got a hunch that it's real.
Totally agree with you, Anonymous at 11:10AM. The same logic also applies to the "debunked" video by Squatchmaster, featured on last week's Finding Bigfoot.
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of devices are you people claiming it's a bigfoot examining this footage on? A phone or something? This is an older man in a blue windbreaker and tan pants. You can see the waistline of the jacket, the edges of his sleeves, the white hair on his head. Take off the belief goggles or get an eye examination. This is embarrassing stuff.
ReplyDeleteI'm viewing on my 15 inch pc monitor. The quality of the footage is crappy - blurry and over exposed in full sunlight areas. Light can be bouncing off of and reflecting off the legs, making them appear to be pants. Same with his head when the sun hits it just the right way. I'm not saying it is a bigfoot, I'm just saying it isn't proven either way yet. I'd love to see a recreation in the same place under similar circumstances. I'd also love to see a really good video editor enhance this so it might be more clear one way or the other.
ReplyDeleteI change my mind. I agree with Sue D. Because she's hot.
ReplyDeleteNo way the man in the background is 8 feet tall. Do a screen capture at 8 seconds, and 28 seconds (when the buck crosses the road). The size discrepancy between the two is not that dramatic. Also, you need to figure out the focal length of the camera to be able to adjust for the depth of focus, and really how far in the background the old gentlemen in the wind breaker is from the deer.
ReplyDeletePer comment: "yes crappy video shot with a kodak Z712IS camera in video mode zoomed out all the way". From Kodak's website, the focal length zoomed all the way out is 36 mm, and the apeture can vary between f2.8 to f4.8. Assuming the first set of deer are 3 meters away, the depth of field is only 0.17 meters or about 6 inches to about 0.3 meters or about 12 inches. Depth of field defines the distance an image is acceptably sharp. My opinion is that it is acceptable sharp up to about midway to the fox. So that would make the fox about 2 or maybe 3 feet in front of the deer. I would assume that the dude in the coat isn't that much further back either.
ReplyDeleteThe deer moves at least 3 feet forward but she's still not as far away as the fox. Maybe we should assume that the deer are more than three meters away.
DeleteNo way the fox is only 2 or 3 feet in front of the deer. The deer takes about 3 diagonal trots to cross the path and I would imagine it would have moved at least 3 feet further down the path. Looks to me like the fox is at least 20 feet in front of the deer.
ReplyDeleteThere is no frame of reference for you to determine the distance of the fox at 20 feet, except for the mathematics of focal length and depth of field. You are looking at false perspective due to the focal length of the lens, plain and simple. There are plenty of examples of false perspective if you employ a simple Google search.
ReplyDeleteRicter65, please jump in here and give us your own naked eye perception of distances in this video - much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteI think people are missing the point a little bit with this one... Saying that the subject is definitely an old man wearing a military coat is as ridiculous as saying it's clearly a Sasquatch. The detail isn't there to determine whether it's Peter, Paul or bigfoot. there's no clear scale, and the image is an absolute mess. That's not the point, i don't think. It may be a person - Ricter65's comments are odd, but hardly count as a Mea culpa. I will admit that i do find it unusual that someone wouldn't notice that figure standing on the road - especially if it isn't a human person, but something supposedly larger. Why would someone so unobservant be interested in wildlife photography in the first place? It seems strange... But anyway, the point isn't the figure on the road. The lack of detail renders that point mute. The fact that the animals react to it in such an unusual way proves that the thing hasn't been Photoshopped in, but is a real creature that the fox and deer are seeing and reacting to. Whether it's just a man or something else can only be ascertained through a recreation. I still think this is a very interesting video, if only because we have animals actually reacting to this thing. they're clearly on edge; i don't think it takes a zoologist to see that. But yeah, as to what we're looking at, the video doesn't offer enough to say one way or the other.
ReplyDeleteSam
I agree with Sam. The pixel distortion is too great to discern Sasquatch or human. Video distortion 'Can' cause illusion of clothing, light hair, etc. Fox and deer are clearly more focused on distant subject than videographer and on edge, which is more indicative of reaction to a natural apex predator. The only thing that would assist here is a proper recreation with a large human and an identical camera.
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