Robert Lindsay reveals source of rumor for Bigfoot DNA Study and Nature Magazine


There has been numerous rumors regarding Dr. Melba Ketchum's Bigfoot DNA study and the Nature journal. One rumor was that the study was being looked at by the science journal Nature and then it was later rejected. Another rumor was that it never made it to Nature. This led many to speculate and ultimately confused those who have been following Dr. Ketchum. Attempts by Dr. Ketchum to clarify this matter is sparse since the study is currently under peer review and she is not allowed to talk about it.

In an article titled "Bigfoot News January 2012," Robert Lindsay writes about how this rumor possibly started:

Melba Ketchum report may be nearing release: On her Facebook page, Ketchum released a statement that implied that publication may not be too far off. It said, “Yes, it will get really exciting before long, LOL!” In her Texas American dialect, using “before long” instead of “soon” means that something is going to happen quite soon indeed.

Ketchum deserves to be supported on this report 100%. She’s going to go down in history as one of the biggest names in this field, for whatever it’s worth.

Max Plank Institute: There is a lot of speculation about the Max Plank Insttitue and whether or not anyone is trying to get a study done there. Apparently they might be interested in a new hominid. I can confirm that there are some lower level people at the institute who are indeed very interested in the question. Is a Stubstad parallel Bigfoot DNA project going on at the Max Plank Institute? No it is not.

Source for the Nature rumors: There is much speculation about whether or not Ketchum’s paper was at Nature magazine for a while. Matt Moneymaker said it was there, but it was “handed back” for a couple of reasons. One reason was “no testable hypothesis.” Another reason was “no zoologist on the paper.” The not having a zoologist is a major failing, but I doubt Ketchum is going to correct that oversight either.

We were the ones who initially started the rumor that the paper was at Nature magazine. Ketchum then said that the paper was not at Nature. She was correct – it had been at Nature, but Nature handed the paper back. Moneymaker confirmed this later on.

So I suppose you are all wondering who our source was for the Nature rumors? The source was ultimately none other than David Paulides, who is about as closely associated with Dr. Ketchum and her project as anyone could be, if you catch my drift. Paulides apparently hates us and orders people not to link to us, and he has written a few articles attacking irresponsible bloggers (us among others apparently) and what not.

Skeptics keep hammering away that we have no evidence that the paper was ever at Nature in the first place. On the looks of the evidence, it appears that it was very much at Nature at least for a while.

Ketchum paper at a new journal. Yes, it is at a new journal, and it looks as if it may be published soon. We do not know the name of the journal, but we may be able to give you a guess soon.

Skeptics and Henry Gee, Nature editor: Gee wrote an article a while back after the discovery of Flores Man suggesting that relict hominids may well exist on the planet. Now that the paper has been handed back, skeptics suggest that the paper must be terminally flawed in some terrible way. The main hypothesis is that the paper shows “human DNA.”

The paper does not show human DNA. How many times do we have to tell you this? The NuDNA is, in terms of polymorphisms, about 1/3 of the way from a human to a chimp. This does not mean that a Bigfoot has chimp genes anymore than a human has chimp genes or a chimp has human genes.

Let us say that chimps share 94% of their genes with man. Then Bigfoot shares 98% of its genes with man. 1/3 of the way from a human to a chimp. Get it? It’s sad that so many people misunderstand this. An animal that shares only 98% of its genes with man cannot possibly be human in the way human is defined on this Earth.

The skeptics also said that Gee would have to be a complete idiot who made the mistake of his lifetime to have turned back a good Ketchum paper with the conclusion of the century. Well then, that must be correct. Gee apparently is a complete idiot then, and he just did make the mistake of his lifetime I suppose. He’s only human; why is that so hard to figure out?

The Snellgrove Lake blood sample. The skeptics are going nuts about this finding. First of all, only MtDNA was tested, and Bigfoot MtDNA is human. Further, only ~300 markers were tested. No unusual markers were found. The cabin is indeed fly in only, with frankly no access period by any other way. It’s about 40 miles from the nearest human settlement, 40 miles of the roughest swamp, bog and forest land you can imagine. No way did a person step on that nail.

Further, mixed in with blood on the nails was hair. So this person had hair on the bottom of his feet? No way. In addition, 17 inch footprints were found nearby, with the classic Bigfoot signature. A barefoot human with 17 inch prints? No. The third point is that many guests had written in the guestbook about Bigfoots bothering them while at the cabin. So an Indian stepped on those nails? Uh uh.

Are Bigfoots part-Erectus? I think they may well be part Erectus. The final result may indeed look something like Heidelbergensis, which was Erectus transitional to archaic Sapiens. Heidelbergensis was huge, often over 7 feet tall, and he had an occipital crest on his heads. They date to 11,000 YBP in China.

Flores Man and Erectus DNA. It is dubious that we will get good DNA from either any time soon. Erectus may have gone out way too long ago and no DNA was extractable from Floresiensis samples. It is dubious that we will find more Floresiensis samples anytime soon. Keep in mind that there is no way to get DNA out of remains older than 47,000 years with present technology.

You can read the full article at robertlindsay.wordpress.com

Comments

  1. Lindsay wries well. His information has been fairly accurate so far given the lockdowns, or not lockdoens, on sources. The future may, or may not, inform us differently.
    Let's hope this initial paper is well received and those interested in the right professionals come forward with some serious science and policy programs.

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    1. Lindsay needs to understand the landscape before he makes claims that are remotely believable......Let's see, Moneymaker makes claims he knows the study was at Nature and later Lindsay claims Pauledis is the person who is the informant. Not only is this claim one of the most absurd the bigfoot world has ever heard, it's impossible. Anyone in this arena knows that MM has made many serious and equally absurd claims about other researchers with opposing ideals and views. Pauledis and MM couldn't be further apart on the way they treat people and their theories on bigfoot. Yeh, right Lindsay, Pauledis and MM spoke about this and MM released the info. This research group has reached a new all time level for idiocy. Another blatant lie by Lindsay, please tell the world where Pauledis or his group ever made any statements about you or any claims that others shouldn't link to you, right.. His blogs are posted, anyone can read that this never happened, more lies and deceit from a group that thrives on this behavior, welcome to the bigfoot world...

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    2. "A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

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  2. I hope to God that Lindsays longing to be famous doesn't screw up the whole freakin DNA Project through his constant jabbering about Dr. Ketchum and her Paper... Please Lindsay we do notice you out there now put it back in your pants you'll be famous soon enough ...got it !

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  3. I'm most curious at this point to see that, once the DNA results are out in the public, anyone can manage to explain to unsettled citizens just what BF is. Even if we put an absolute dividing line one what makes us human, exactly what place BF has in the animal versus man scenario is the really big question. Smart enough to hide from us and survive and thrive? Dumb enough to be living in the wild and not using technology. How do we determine his rights and his protections?

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  4. Let us just suppose that a Bigfoot was captured. Testing could possibly reveal whether it has languange capability, other "human" mental traits - problem solving, tool use etc. Something with DNA close to human but not human would probably fall in the same "rights range" as other primates...none so to speak other than possible protected status. It does raise interesting philosophical / legal questions.

    New anonymous

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  5. It seems the paper is submitted somewhere., with so many comments about what she can and can't say, but she never says it is in review? But, if it has just been submitted in the last month, it will be a long wait. She cited 5 to 26 weeks, if the news is as difficult or spectacular as all claim then 26 weeks might be the minimum, or about six months from now? So again just no-news here. Lindsay has a bit more to say on the subject and the players. I Imagine if Ketchum got a paper back and it said, "We turned you down b/c a blogger named Robert Lindsay," Anon above might have a point. Sounds more like a prepatory blame game, or someone mentioned in his blog.

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  6. I just read the entire transcript from his latest blog dated Jan 2. It it a most interesting read. I know a lot of people do not like him, but he continues to get news from sources and has been pretty accurate from early on with the Smeja Shootings and the Ketchum Project. Also when he speculates or does not know he says so. Also for those who have a hard time understanding the Smeja interview, he has the first 1/2 hour transcript.

    Also Ms Autumn you bring up a very good ?. I personally think because it is dumb enough to live in the wild and abstain from technology, it may just be the smartest hominid besides humans. All the other hominid species have died off, most like by extermination by humans. By living in the deep forest, and avoiding humans, it has managed to survive quite well. Also its very physiology makes it the most adapted forest animal in NA. I dont't know - it is just my theory.

    As far as rights and protection's - that is going to be interesting, probably getting endangered species protection, and then will be an evolving legal battle that will be tumultuous, with different lobbying and interest groups lining up.

    Chuck in Ohio

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  7. Wait wait wait! I just read a comment by Dr. Ketchum to her own post on Facebook, and it says this:
    "Yes, I do know about them now. I am glad I didn't see them until after most of the data was in. I needed to prove it scientifically to myself first as a former skeptic before hitting the field so to speak and actually observing them. I had no fear, the ones I encountered were peaceful and gentle. I keep going back, I know why so many people love doing this now."

    So she is clearly saying she has observed these creatures in the wild. This doesn't sound very ambiguous and adds a weird layer to all of this. This must be why she has claimed such certainty as to their existence, which she couldn't really posit from her data if she were being true to the tight lipped ethic she's been espousing about results.

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  8. What, no expert photos or film from her encounters?

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  9. Because chances are she saw them at one of Ericksons habituation sites. NDA etc

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  10. She never saw them at Erickson's site. She only saw the video clips from there.

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  11. I love the Snelgrove Lake story but it has some flaws in it. Technically it is only 3 k away from a road. In the winter time the cabin can be reached easily from that road. The location was given out on Monsterquest. That year the damage was done. Sounds like bored kid's to me. Bears love the insulation found in fridges so the report it was a Sasquatch opening the door from the inside and trashing the place could be an assumption at best.
    After the Monsterquest show aired the place(rental cabin) booked up for years. Sounds like a great marketing idea.

    Like I said I do like the story and believe something went on when they visited the cabin but I believe after that first visit it became a bag of assumptions.

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  12. As for all this DNA information and Dr. Ketchum. I really have no opinion on it and I truly have no idea what to believe.
    I do feel that something is coming in 2012 but it may not come from known sources. Keeping my fingers crossed.

    Everyone's research will continue either way I would hope.

    I was wondering if Erickson finally shows us the money shot would he finally let the Finding Bigfoot crew in to check it out?

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  13. Isn't 2012 going to be some big year for the planet, according to some theories? This could be it, or part of it.

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