David Paulides tells supporters to stand tall, results from Bigfoot DNA study will come
David Paulides, the leader of the organization that started the Bigfoot DNA project likes to send out messages from his blog periodically. On Blog #110, he tells supporters to disregard attacks, and ignore the disinformation coming from other Bigfoot research groups.
"This bigfoot world is an amazing place with equally amazing people. As the leader of the organization that started the Bigfoot DNA project, the organization that has supplied the most specimens and the person who is sitting on the sidelines watching statements made about our supposed results, I am highly disappointed in some people, people that asked to join the project, people who were embraced and given opportunity and specified access," wrote Paulides.
Frustrated with one blogger's attack on Dr. Melba Ketchum ethics, Paulides was forces to make a rebuttal and posted a snippet from the actual NDA form all participants agreed to sign:
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The photocopy above was in response to this comment by the blogger (a woman we're unable to link to):
"I am not a fan of Melba Ketchum because I find her NDA's unethical. She is being paid to conduct DNA testing and that does not give her ownership of the samples."
Paulides wrote in his response:
"Dr. Ketchum does give her ownership of the samples. This is 100% false, see the attached. I have placed a photo of the first paragraph of everyone's NDA in the DNA Project. EVERYONE owns their samples, from cradle to grave, this never changes. Dr. Ketchum never claims ownership of the samples and has never asked. After the tests are completed, the supplier of the sample still owns the sample."
You have to respect David Paulides for putting up with all the rhetoric coming from those in the Bigfoot community or the "old guard" is what he calls them. "The old guard in the bigfoot world has lived in their penthouse for many years. They haven't been questioned and their beliefs have been held as gospel for decades," he wrote. His group (NABS) has been working on this study for 3+ years, and he tells his supporters and those involved to stand tall and not to respond to the critics and naysayers and not to lower themselves to their level.
Here's the rallying cry he wrote to his supporters:
Blog #110 Stand Tall
We’ve received dozens of emails questioning the DNA study, attacks leveled at DNA researchers and the constant diatribe by bigfoot bloggers. These attacks were expected from the same segment of our world that has a long history of attacks when the victim has information that cast a shadow on their hypothesis, emailers don’t fret.
The bigfoot/sasquatch world has been trapped in a 1960’s mentality for almost 50 years. The last great photos or footage of the biped was in 1967 and no group has made a substantial push to scientifically validate the biped, at least publicly.
NABS purchased the research of Ray Crowe when he retired. Ray had extensive information on a variety of topics, most people ignored or put no credence. NABS knew that Ray had a gold mine of information in a newsletter he published, “The Track record.” Every month for 17 years Ray wrote the newsletter and distributed it across North America (TrackRecord). Prior to purchasing Ray’s research, NABS had read ALL of the Track Records and knew exactly what we were getting. We understood that people had difficulty accessing specific information in the Track Record because there was no index. NABS spent almost a year indexing the Track Record and scanning it into a CD format, 3000 pages of documents on many unusual anomalies. We use the Track Record index on a daily basis because of the value of the reports Ray wrote.
The information in the Track Record assisted in giving NABS direction in our research. Ray wrote many credible articles about Native American beliefs and how they related to a variety of crypto topics. A question we routinely ask ourselves is why the old guard of the bigfoot research world completely discounted the Native American and Native Canadian beliefs about bigfoot/sasquatch? It seems this old guard went completely Ape and discounted any idea that the biped could have a predominant human dimension. This old guard wrote countless books proclaiming the biped was an ape or gorilla and still make presentations pushing that hypothesis.
During the review of the Track Record, it quickly became obvious to us that somewhere or somehow the old guard either didn’t read, didn’t research or put no credibility in the Native Canadian or Native American belief and history with the biped. They decided to push their own belief system and attempt to squash, humiliate, embarrass or bully any other researcher with a contrary view (As is being seen today with the DNA study).
During the last decade there have been several DNA tests done by a variety of people, some with the ape hypothesis. ALL of the studies have shown a more human genetic profile for the biped then anything close to ape or gorilla. The interesting part of this story is that each incident stops short of a complete genome series being completed, quite odd. Considering that some of the ape theorists are scientists and understand DNA testing, but they want us to believe that they never completed the process to understand the genetic alignment. NABS believes that genetic testing has been completed by at least one of these scientists and they didn’t like the results, it didn’t fit his hypothesis and the results were concealed from public view.
When NABS started to walk the path for DNA testing we knew we’d need specimens. We initially thought that this must be a very formidable task since no other bigfoot research group had been successful even with LARGE funding from a benefactor. NABS had a series of meetings with researchers, most not known to you, we developed a theory of how to subtly take hair off the biped without causing injury and to continue to take their hair without them knowing it was occurring, it worked. It has worked dozens of times in several states across North America. Our system involved getting the root with the hair, as a bigfoot hair without a root is useless for DNA extraction.
Dr. Ketchum was working on extracting DNA (bigfoot_dna) from our hairs when we started to realize that we would like a wider swath of genetic history from more states and provinces. Dr Ketchum and Dave Paulides went on George Knapp’s Coast-to-Coast radio show and made a public plea for more bigfoot hair, oh we hit gold. People understood we were mounting a serious effort and they contributed, other bigfoot research groups and individuals that had been rebuffed in the past by other groups all contributed validated bigfoot hair.
This study has been a lesson in understanding and compassion for people who had a belief. A few of the participants were labeled by other groups as not credible (Yes, the people who believe bigfoot is an ape), yet it was these people that gave us great specimens and specific insight into bigfoot behavior that we can guarantee is factual and valuable to our research. Many of these people have been in the background for too long and their views have been ignored, that will hopefully soon change if the study supports their beliefs.
NABS has told many supporters not to respond to the critics and naysayers and not to lower themselves to their level. In a yelling match the person screaming the loudest looks like the fool, not the person who calmly and quietly attempts to speak their mind. Trust me, the critics will get louder and more vocal as their perceived expertise is threatened and their income stream comes to an end. We knew the attacks would happen and will continue to happen as long as the public gives them a podium in which to spout.
The DNA project will not be the final project for NABS. We are 80% completed with a parallel study on bigfoot/sasquatch behavior that will cripple the belief system of many of the researchers in the ape arena. This has been a three+ year study that has revealed astonishing data that nobody has ever touched. We have never been an organization to put forth hollow promises and this will be another valuable piece to the bigfoot/sasquatch puzzle.
There are so many pieces to the bigfoot/sasquatch puzzle that few are addressing. We aren’t sure what supposed “professional” bigfoot researchers have been doing in the last 50 years as they haven’t met a scientific criteria for acknowledgement of the biped and aren’t sure why this hasn’t been pursued, or has it and you haven’t been told? We are speaking of the researchers that have been supported through documentaries, funding from other wealthy researchers (Yes, there is one very wealthy researcher that has been building his base by paying others) and sales of their own products.
NABS has received several inquiries from visitors about why we haven’t done a documentary or TV series. We won’t participate in an effort where we don’t have editorial authority over the final product. We won’t allow our research to be manipulated or edited to the point of bending the truth. We won’t enter into a contract where the audience is taken into the woods and the effort doesn’t produce an educational experience for the viewer and researcher. There are too many shows where the audience is manipulated, lied to and there is NO RESEARCH occurring on screen, we won’t be a party to this type of production and we won’t allow this topic to be used as humor. How can we make these promises, because we know we can continually produce an educational experience based on specific locations we are studying.
We need to stand together, proud and professional as the DNA study gets closer to being released. The result of the study is the star of the show, not the researchers. We cannot fall into factions and start to lose sight of our efforts and goal. Adversaries want us to fight, want us to fall apart and appear to the public to be bottom feeders and uneducated crypto creeps, don’t bite. The vast majority of the public doesn’t read or visit the websites that are in the business of causing turmoil, don’t worry. We sincerely appreciate the hundreds of emails supporting this effort!
We’ve received dozens of emails questioning the DNA study, attacks leveled at DNA researchers and the constant diatribe by bigfoot bloggers. These attacks were expected from the same segment of our world that has a long history of attacks when the victim has information that cast a shadow on their hypothesis, emailers don’t fret.
The bigfoot/sasquatch world has been trapped in a 1960’s mentality for almost 50 years. The last great photos or footage of the biped was in 1967 and no group has made a substantial push to scientifically validate the biped, at least publicly.
NABS purchased the research of Ray Crowe when he retired. Ray had extensive information on a variety of topics, most people ignored or put no credence. NABS knew that Ray had a gold mine of information in a newsletter he published, “The Track record.” Every month for 17 years Ray wrote the newsletter and distributed it across North America (TrackRecord). Prior to purchasing Ray’s research, NABS had read ALL of the Track Records and knew exactly what we were getting. We understood that people had difficulty accessing specific information in the Track Record because there was no index. NABS spent almost a year indexing the Track Record and scanning it into a CD format, 3000 pages of documents on many unusual anomalies. We use the Track Record index on a daily basis because of the value of the reports Ray wrote.
The information in the Track Record assisted in giving NABS direction in our research. Ray wrote many credible articles about Native American beliefs and how they related to a variety of crypto topics. A question we routinely ask ourselves is why the old guard of the bigfoot research world completely discounted the Native American and Native Canadian beliefs about bigfoot/sasquatch? It seems this old guard went completely Ape and discounted any idea that the biped could have a predominant human dimension. This old guard wrote countless books proclaiming the biped was an ape or gorilla and still make presentations pushing that hypothesis.
During the review of the Track Record, it quickly became obvious to us that somewhere or somehow the old guard either didn’t read, didn’t research or put no credibility in the Native Canadian or Native American belief and history with the biped. They decided to push their own belief system and attempt to squash, humiliate, embarrass or bully any other researcher with a contrary view (As is being seen today with the DNA study).
During the last decade there have been several DNA tests done by a variety of people, some with the ape hypothesis. ALL of the studies have shown a more human genetic profile for the biped then anything close to ape or gorilla. The interesting part of this story is that each incident stops short of a complete genome series being completed, quite odd. Considering that some of the ape theorists are scientists and understand DNA testing, but they want us to believe that they never completed the process to understand the genetic alignment. NABS believes that genetic testing has been completed by at least one of these scientists and they didn’t like the results, it didn’t fit his hypothesis and the results were concealed from public view.
When NABS started to walk the path for DNA testing we knew we’d need specimens. We initially thought that this must be a very formidable task since no other bigfoot research group had been successful even with LARGE funding from a benefactor. NABS had a series of meetings with researchers, most not known to you, we developed a theory of how to subtly take hair off the biped without causing injury and to continue to take their hair without them knowing it was occurring, it worked. It has worked dozens of times in several states across North America. Our system involved getting the root with the hair, as a bigfoot hair without a root is useless for DNA extraction.
Dr. Ketchum was working on extracting DNA (bigfoot_dna) from our hairs when we started to realize that we would like a wider swath of genetic history from more states and provinces. Dr Ketchum and Dave Paulides went on George Knapp’s Coast-to-Coast radio show and made a public plea for more bigfoot hair, oh we hit gold. People understood we were mounting a serious effort and they contributed, other bigfoot research groups and individuals that had been rebuffed in the past by other groups all contributed validated bigfoot hair.
This study has been a lesson in understanding and compassion for people who had a belief. A few of the participants were labeled by other groups as not credible (Yes, the people who believe bigfoot is an ape), yet it was these people that gave us great specimens and specific insight into bigfoot behavior that we can guarantee is factual and valuable to our research. Many of these people have been in the background for too long and their views have been ignored, that will hopefully soon change if the study supports their beliefs.
NABS has told many supporters not to respond to the critics and naysayers and not to lower themselves to their level. In a yelling match the person screaming the loudest looks like the fool, not the person who calmly and quietly attempts to speak their mind. Trust me, the critics will get louder and more vocal as their perceived expertise is threatened and their income stream comes to an end. We knew the attacks would happen and will continue to happen as long as the public gives them a podium in which to spout.
The DNA project will not be the final project for NABS. We are 80% completed with a parallel study on bigfoot/sasquatch behavior that will cripple the belief system of many of the researchers in the ape arena. This has been a three+ year study that has revealed astonishing data that nobody has ever touched. We have never been an organization to put forth hollow promises and this will be another valuable piece to the bigfoot/sasquatch puzzle.
There are so many pieces to the bigfoot/sasquatch puzzle that few are addressing. We aren’t sure what supposed “professional” bigfoot researchers have been doing in the last 50 years as they haven’t met a scientific criteria for acknowledgement of the biped and aren’t sure why this hasn’t been pursued, or has it and you haven’t been told? We are speaking of the researchers that have been supported through documentaries, funding from other wealthy researchers (Yes, there is one very wealthy researcher that has been building his base by paying others) and sales of their own products.
NABS has received several inquiries from visitors about why we haven’t done a documentary or TV series. We won’t participate in an effort where we don’t have editorial authority over the final product. We won’t allow our research to be manipulated or edited to the point of bending the truth. We won’t enter into a contract where the audience is taken into the woods and the effort doesn’t produce an educational experience for the viewer and researcher. There are too many shows where the audience is manipulated, lied to and there is NO RESEARCH occurring on screen, we won’t be a party to this type of production and we won’t allow this topic to be used as humor. How can we make these promises, because we know we can continually produce an educational experience based on specific locations we are studying.
We need to stand together, proud and professional as the DNA study gets closer to being released. The result of the study is the star of the show, not the researchers. We cannot fall into factions and start to lose sight of our efforts and goal. Adversaries want us to fight, want us to fall apart and appear to the public to be bottom feeders and uneducated crypto creeps, don’t bite. The vast majority of the public doesn’t read or visit the websites that are in the business of causing turmoil, don’t worry. We sincerely appreciate the hundreds of emails supporting this effort!
Well, someone with a voice of reason. How novel. Doesn't sound ego-driven. I appreciate that with so many strutting idiots in the field. I am curious, though, how we can know that hair samples (I'm assuming caught in tape stretched up high) are from BF and not just human hairs picked up in the wind or from the people stretching the tape up high? Unless we see BF leave the hair there, can we ever really know? This is kind of like crime scene forensics. We have to throw the case out if we can't prove how the DNA was gathered.
ReplyDeleteNot a dna expert, but most likely the results will show that it is 99.9% human, not 100%. So there will still be some characteristics that make it impossible for the dna to be human, while still being almost the same.
ReplyDeleteHe sounds genuinely upset about many things and rightly defended himself and the group.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't hold that against anyone.
I don't know enough about him or the group to make a comment but I respect him for taking a stand.
Is that what they did? Tape?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bigfootreferenceguide.com/sgp/nabs/
ReplyDeletehere are more even less ego driven statements
I find it interesting that Paulides identifies the "old guard" (ape theory) as his "main rival" and therefore the people to convince about the "truth" (even they also believe in BF like him) - and not the 99,99 % of scientists who totally ignore the bigfoot phenomenon and the 95-98 % of the general public, who think BF is just a hoax or a phenomenon as credible as space aliens.
ReplyDeleteI truly believe that it's not sinister forces that have perpetuated the Ape theory all these years but when asked what this creature looked like most people gravitate to the first thing that comes to mind, a tall hairy gorilla. Normal human beings are not 8 ft tall covered in dark hair. I can see quite easily how this classic ape view began. When asked to discribe what the witness saw it looks much more like a biped gorilla then a human being. That's my drift anyway.
ReplyDeleteCan anyone say... Forgone Conclusion? Conclusion before the facts? This is an absurd argument, especially given the fact that we are more closely related to chimps than chimpanzees are to gorillas. Also, it denies the true complexity of the Native American and First Nations cultures of the creature, wherein it is also described as a shape-shifting spirit being, a cannibalistic ogre, a devil, a heavily taboo laden mystery beast, and so many other things. The simple minded naivety of this statement truly boggles the mind. NABS is Paulides, by himself. And he certainly was not the first to use Ketchum lab services to test ostensible Bigfoot DNA. Biscardi and Destination Truth were there first, but clearly Paulides wants the credit and the fame from this, not to mention validation for his conspiracy theory ideology. The Track Record, too, was notorious for publishing every oddball account that came their way. As Ray Crowe always had to say on the front of his own publication, "Keep Your Skepticals On." Let us wait for real scientific results before crying victory.
ReplyDeleteSteve, Bigfoot's bLog, Willow Creek
Steven
ReplyDeleteYou have attempted to discredit NABS for the last 4 years, nobody is sure why. Your attempts are groundless and you are either illiterate or lying as to Paulides and NABS, look at the site, they list several of their investigators with PHOTOS, cmon Steven, stop the lies. It's amazing you mention Biscardi, but, if you wish to think he's done anything viable in the DNA world, bring your proof, a web search shows he's never found anything...Anyone who follows the bigfoot arena knows you write a blog for BFRO, the same group who was supported for many years by a benefactor to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, specifically to get DNA. Steven, how many samples did your associates accumulate in all of those years??? Zero, and that's why he left....Keep watching that great TV show your buddies produce.
You are gravely mistaken. I do not write my blog FOR the BFRO, nor have I even signed their membership agreement. They featured my blog as a link no their site, and that is all. I am an independent researcher, and I do MY OWN thing. Far from groundless, my position on NABS has way more documentation and basis than I have even begun to touch upon. I did an extensive close reading analysis of THE HOOPA PROJECT, and that stuff is undeniable: the book is fraught with errors and illogical assumptions, as well as being an example of outright pilfering of other people's research and ideas with no citation. I could go on, but clearly that would just be a waste of my time speaking to you. I didn't, BTW, make any claims for Biscardi's credibility, but it is a fact that he presented "BF DNA" to Ketchum before Paulides was involved with her. Think what you want, but if there is no basis to what you are saying, then in fact you are only showing yourself to be a buffoon.
ReplyDeleteMr. Streufert
ReplyDeleteI would be very, very careful about your statements regarding the Hoopa Project."Pilfering of others people research", that is a very bold claim and you better have the proof or you will look more foolish then you have already. As another person who has followed your diatribe, you do not do sasquatch research, you are part of the negativity in this world that attacks others hard work through your blog, others with contrary views. It's amusing that you so quickly resort to name calling when "Anonymous" points out statements where you've lied about NABS, something again you didn't even defend.People who sometimes read your dribble can see your is just a smear campaign against groups believing the biped is human, which is why BFRO posted your supportive blog.
I found Mr. Paulides' use of affidavits in the Hoopa Project to validate his stories refreshing and I know for a fact that the Hoopa people have invited back to their reservation for 5 part documentary on the topic, doesn't sound as though those people were insulted or offended by his work, especially since we never allowed BFRO on the property!
I suppose we will see if Mr. Biscardi had any participation in the DNA bigfoot project when it is completed. In every item on the web related to that project, there is not one mention of Biscardi having a valid sample. I do not believe that Mr. Biscardi HAS EVER found bigfoot DNA, except maybe in that cooler he presented, HA!
Mr. Sreufert, dignity and respect for the work of others is a cornerstone for decency in humanity. Your ability to continually degrade the sasquatch community into a melting pot of waste is one of the main reasons professional researchers,scientists and academic professionals have steered clear. It would appear that NABS has broken this barrier and Dr. Ketchum will soon release a paper that will further numb your senses. Steven, get your facts correct, stop attacking and if you want to call yourself a researcher, go into the field and write something original and cogent about our beloved bipeds, stop making baseless claims about yourself and other researchers.
I was very clear about the issues I have with the book, HOOPA PROJECT. I showed them specifically in a page-by-page close reading of the first part of the book. It is all documented on my blog. It has NOTHING to do with lies, but everything to do with Paulides' huge, arrogant claims, most specifically his "only full-time Bigfoot organization in the world" claim. Everyone knows it is just Dave and his marketing image. His members page has three people on it. One, Hucklebridge, just recently was accepted back into the BFRO, and he was overjoyed. I don't know what to say to you, as obviously you don't know what you, "Anonymous" whomever you are, are talking about. I am not conducting a "smear campaign" about Paulides, and I couldn't care less whether Bigfoot are human or ape. We are all apes. What I DO NOT LIKE is illogical thought, outrageous claims, and arrogance. Paulides has caught my attention by committing all three of the above. That is all. He should give some credit to people who came before him, cite sources, and correct the huge amount of factual errors in his books. Then, maybe, he would gain my respect. Instead, all I ever hear from him is defensive conspiracy theory thinking, just like "Anonymous" above.
ReplyDeleteJohn Green was using affidavits back in the late sixties. It took Paulides reading my blog to finally, belatedly, come out with some credit for John. This is the kind of thing I am talking about.
Biscardi--he contacted Ketchum to have the "toenail of unknown origin" tested. That was the first, along with the Destination Truth "yeti hair."
Frankly, anonymous, you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I live in the woods in the Willow Creek area, so I am "out in the field" every day. I do not make any outlandish claims about myself, but I do critique what I see as false or illogical claims coming from others. I am a researcher in the history of this field, and I know damn well what I am talking about. This is not about egos for me, but it clearly is about egotism for Dave and you. It is Dave who "degraded the Sasquatch community" when he stood before a large audience and insulted Michael Rugg and the Bigfoot Discover Project publicly, saying right to Mike's face, "You are not a researcher. You are just a museum curator." THIS is why people do not like Mr. Paulides, and I assure you it is a widespread opinion. My facts are correct, friend. GO READ THEM. Don't just sit there and spew senseless blather anonymously.
Reading THE HOOPA PROJECT: A Study in Contrasts and Confusion
ReplyDeletehttp://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/reading-hoopa-project-study-in.html
What I really said. Here is the introduction to that lengthy blog entry:
ReplyDelete"First, don't take this review the wrong way. The Hoopa Project is, despite certain flaws, still a fascinating book. Say what you will about David Paulides and Harvey Pratt, they have done some interesting work, some of it unique. NABS decided to focus on one limited area of Bigfoot activity in this book, and also focussed on a particular cultural group, the Hupa Indians. This gives the book a certain strength and distinction. When we first read it upon its release we barrelled through it in just a few days, drawn on by intrigue to the end. However, as we went along there was a certain feeling of unease. We found ourselves repeatedly asking, Did he really say that? Isn't this or that point just plain wrong? That is not even begining to mention all of the typos and poor general editing. The redundancies in the book, with affidavits repeating the narrative for each sighting report, prove to be highly tedious, and hence the book could have been reduced to nearly half its size--but that is for another blog entry."
Continuing:
ReplyDelete"Here we cover just the first section, and think it will be clear if you read to the end of this part of our review, that the book sits on rather shaky foundations. In saying what we say below, please note, we are not trying to debunk Bigfoot, but rather to debunk the statements and methods found in this particular Bigfoot book. Hence, we do not necessarily question or doubt the Skookum cast or various hair and scat DNA finds, but Paulides' use of these in his narrative. It is our feeling that he and NABS are so eager to conquer the field and the issue at hand, so confident in their own investigative abilities, so concerned with outdoing all the other Bigfoot groups (especially the BFRO) and researchers, that they get going right from the start on the wrong foot, so to speak. If we are to prove Bigfoot to the world, or to make the field at all respectable to the general public or the scientific world, then we simply MUST have solid methodological foundations, and our analyses of evidence and reports should be sound, not fraught with gross errors of logic and procedure. If the story isn't straight to begin with, then everything that follows is corrupted in sequence, and the errors compound multiplicatively upon those that preceeded them.
After Paulides came out as being in support of the "Bluff Creek Massacre Theory" (blogged about earlier by us HERE and HERE, and the MK interview HERE and HERE) we really had to revisit those misgivings. We decided to go back and do a review. What follows is a close reading of the book's first 51 pages, with an eye bent to ascertaining fact, fiction, and error in the book. The sightings reports which constitute the majority of the book are best left for later. Despite minor errors and glitches of methodology and assumption in this later part of the book, the reports are still good, and need to be appreciated for what they are--personal stories, anecdotal evidence, and at least suggestive of certain traits of the Creature and of a particular Native American culture in Northwestern California. We particularly appreciate this part of the book, despite misgivings about the introductory part, as we, too, live in the same region, and we receive the same kinds of reports from locals constantly.
All of us make mistakes--that is for sure. Even Bigfoot's bLog does, we'll admit it humbly if and when it happens. We are here to learn, after all, not to dictate. However, we feel there is a real need to run through parts of this book in order to show how egregious the errors and illogical assumptions can be in a Bigfoot book. It would do us all well if we learned to fact-check, edit, and think correctly before we publish these things. If we bigfooters can't get the story straight, the media and public surely won't, either. Since the people outside of the world of Bigfooting cannot or will not look more deeply into the evidence, it is clear that they will evaluate the topic based upon what they can see: the behavior of the researchers, and the consistency of their productions."
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ReplyDeleteAnd this is how it concluded: "In Bigfooting we need to establish historical consistency, along with logic in methodology, or else we are a rudderless ship that will look like its foundering (or floundering) to the masses at large. Bigfooting needs to become more professional and serious if it is ever to gain the respect it deserves. We need PEER REVIEW, people. It cannot survive solely upon egotism and wild theoretical speculation. Sadly, with so many who just jump into it, without earning their bones and polishing their chops, it often looks like a circus. And human, all too human...."
ReplyDeleteOriginally published Thursday, April 1, 2010
http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/reading-hoopa-project-study-in.html
He's alienated a lot of others, including numerous folks we know personally. Here's what BIGFOOT FIELD REPORTER, Sharon Lee, had to say about Dave's behavior at this year's BIGFOOT DISCOVERY DAYS:
ReplyDelete"Finally, the most difficult presentation to sit through was that of David Paulides. Now, I am pretty new to this world of bigfoot research, 6 years. I have not had time to read every book written on bigfoots because almost EVERYONE has written a book. So, I had no idea who this Paulides guy was, but I guess I should have! In his words, he is the best researcher. His organization is the best. He doesn't consider individual people researchers. He insulted Michael Rugg, the host of the event, by telling Mike that he was not a researcher, but just a museum curator. He then went on to talk about what a bad rap he gets, and how no other organizations will step forward to work with him. Gee, I wonder why? This guy had no shortage of arrogance! I felt really badly for Mike Rugg. He has dedicated his life to bigfoot research and to be insulted at his own event that Paulides was invited to, was so disrespectful."
More from my blog:
ReplyDeleteDaniel Perez and Loren Coleman both published and quoted Paulides as writing (yes, we got a variant of these odd emails from him, too),
"I actually got my hands on a fairly old copy of the PG film, full framed with segments on it nobody has seen. It is in the experts hands and many of our impressions of what actually occurred is playing out. I actually believe that John Green and Gimlin are harboring a very, very dark secret, really."
The "Secret"? It is a theory that claims John Green, Bob Gimlin, Rene Dahinden, Roger Patterson and Bob Titmus participated in the slaughter of a Sasquatch family, and that the clip known as the PGF is just a small piece of the killing action. In stating or at least implying things like this, Paulides is not only scandalizing the names of these two elder statesmen of Bigfooting, but he is also besmirching the honorable memory of nearly all the late greats, who aren't around anymore to defend themselves against such outrages: Patterson, Dahinden, and Titmus. He is not just dragging their names in the dirt, but more: he is accusing them of MURDER. If you buy into Dave Paulides' notion that Bigfoot is fully HUMAN, then what else can we call the slaughter of a whole family of them in Bluff Creek? This is serious shit, and ex-cop Dave should KNOW BETTER.
Steven
ReplyDeleteYou do what all of your cronies do, don't answer questions just quickly shift directions and add more baseless accusations. You and Coleman are the only people accusing Paulides of anything along these lines, good try bro!! You, Coleman, Perez are all pro-kill and that, in short is why you won't ever be allowed on the reservation and why you continually attack researchers that are against killing. Let's make this clear, Paulides has NEVER, EVER accused these men of anything publicly (Read his blog, you'll learn something), and would never do it, he's more professional then some who live their lives like that. Paulides has NEVER, REPEAT NEVER made these statements, read his blog. He has personally challenged anyone to produce anything where he has impugned these men, nobody can.You are extrapolating that his comments had something to do with Bluff Creek, nice stretch......The "massacre at Bluff Creek" was something Coleman developed, another of your buddies, nice try....Again, it's more important to Steven to continue his baseless accusations. Look at the past paragraphs where he accuses Mr. Paulides of utilizing others research, never happened.If anyone knows anything about the Hoopa Project, it was technically edited by Chris Murphy, so, if something is technically wrong, Murphy is the guilty party, Ha! Keep trying Steven!!!
Steven, go into the field, and write something honest and original instead of continually attacking others and living off their hard work. Your time has past and you probably know it, thus the continual attack. When Dr. Ketchem's study is public, the theory of you, BFRO, Mr. Perez, Bindernagel, Meldrum may all be a footnote in history, wow, what a shame but not surprising that BFRO's main benefactor left and joined Dr. Ketchem in supporting the DNA work, Gee Steven, write about that!!! All those years, all that money and zero evidence from BFRO, why can't your cronies produce evidence(That would be an interesting blog)??? Everyone knows why, no need to answer. Well, those are the facts, Steven won't address them but will continue to attack because people without original ideas must live off others! This is a boring banter as it's difficult to have an intellectual conversation with someone who fabricates, doesn't answer straight forward questions and writes a story to support his own groundless theories.
Steven, a last offer. I will personally contact Mr. Paulides and invite him the next time he's in Hoopa to have a public debate with you on the topic of human vs ape with all of the money for admission going to charity. Your so smart, so sure of yourself and are willing to attack someone with their back turned, how about a face to face debate.....We already know the answer, internet bullies never want to meet their targets, that would take courage.....
Paulides sent that "dark secret" email to my neighbor Al Hodgson. I know it is real. He implied the same to me. I already tried to discuss things with Paulides in the interview I did with him, and he refused to cover anything really interesting. You are totally running at the mouth. How do you think you know anything about what I think? I am not for the killing of bigfoot or anything. I am not tied to the BFRO in any way that would bias me. I believe that we really don't know yet exactly how to classify bigfoot, and in fact have not even proven its existence beyond the believer and experience communities. I look forward to the Ketchum results, whatever they may be, so long as the science is sound. You clearly are operating on misconceptions, and you don't even have the courage to post under your real name, so why am I even talking to you? I won't try to teach you how to actually read something. I have read all of Paulides, including his books. I will debate him any day, but not in some stupid set up circus where you expect me to defend a notion for which there is currently no evidence for one way or other... But clearly bigfoot is an ape, just like us. Clearly, you do not know a thing about biology... easy to see why you fall for Dave's spiel. When Dave was here in my shop years before anyone knew his name he didn't even bother to tell me about his bigfoot research project or even his name, despite at least an hour of me talking with him. He acted like a mere tourist. Who knows? Maybe I even helped him. It was my own idea to study the Native viewpoint, which I expressed to him. He acted like a spy.
ReplyDeleteOk, i'm sick of talking to the wind. Let me know if or when you gain logic and objectivity, and maybe even a name.
Excuse me, but WHAT QUESTION was I supposed to answer? All I saw above was a lame rant without a single valid or factual point made by "anonymous."
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