Skeptics: Only white people and Christians can see Bigfoot


We like to pay attention to what skeptics are saying here at Bigfoot Evidence because we like to know what the arguments are against the existence of Bigfoot. We have discovered a few things about skeptics. Some of them are insane. There are a few 'smart' ones who label themselves 'critical thinkers', and there are some who are just over the top.

Sometimes, their arguments are more nutty than the Nutty Professor watching The Nutcracker, whilst gorging on Macadamias.

In a conversation about Bigfoot DNA evidence and the likely hood of North American ape, a few skeptics in a skeptics forum turned their arguments against white people and religious Christians. To these 'critical thinkers' it's all part of a joke, and since it's about white people and Christians, they encourage you to have a sense of humor and just laugh.

For the sake of highlighting the crazy parts, we're going to annotate some of their sentences with 'WTF?'.

Read below from forums.randi.org (Critical Thinking forum for critical non-thinkers and skeptics):




Posted by: ReverendClog
Critical Thinker

I would greatly appreciate that readers of the following post understand that it was made in a humourous spirit and intends no offence to any person.

This DNA business can't end well for the protagonists of a 'real' Bigfoot, and while I have found several, (if not most), of those nice people on the BFF to be decent, albeit misguided folk, some of them are unmitigated fruitloops.

I do love the idea of Bigfoot, and from the first moment I saw the PGF as a child I wanted it to be real, but Bigfoot, like the tooth fairy and the Queen Mothers wooden teeth, always disappoint when common sense is applied. WTF?: What sort of common sense have you applied to Bigfoot research?

Far more eloquent and knowledgeable people have discounted and recounted Bigfoot and its contradictory nature - from the elusive hairy man to the scientific contradictions of North Americas largest and most wide-spread unfound primate, the supernatural vanishing, eye-shining, bullet-proof, swamp dwelling, coastal, inland, temperate, cold weather, shy, gregarious and habituated, gentle and overtly aggressive Bigfoot. WTF? "Far more eloquent and knowledgeable people have discounted and recounted Bigfoot", that sounds so authoritative. Did you just pull that out of your @$$?

I love Bigfoot and more specifically, I love the idea of 'super' big foot and I wonder if that is the attraction that the myth has for those who wish to believe at any cost. To these folk Bigfoot is an idealised 'superman', the archetypal obermensch, free from human morality and superior by virtue of his strength and improved 'animal cunning', all natural virtues which modern 'city folk' have lost. WTF? It's a myth, that's fine. But Bigfoot is superman? Where did you get that from? You my man just pulled that out from your @$$.

After all one of the most common refutations from the Bigfoot crowd is, 'you don't know the land, man, natives have seen him and you won't 'cos they can smell that you are a fed/shill/forestry commission agent, etc. WTF? This is true and this has always been true. You're not discounting the Native Americans... That's if you're trying to do exactly that.

Is Bigfoot behind the 'freeman on the land movement' ?, and is the Bigfoot movement racist?. Do we know of any instances where people of African-American ancestry have had sightings?. Is it racist to ask?. WTF? Just because you're a 'critical thinker' and you posed this open question doesn't mean you're not racist my brother. You can't hide behind your veil of 'critical thinking' forever and you're just as racist when you talk about black people like this.

The above seems oddly valid to me, for in my ignorance, I know of no sightings of Bigfoot that are testified to by African-Americans, so is Bigfoot a construct of the European, 'jungles and forests are home to devilish creatures', (a mindset that I doubt existed until the industrialised age, when people where turning away from the pioneer mindset and from being in a 'natural' habitat - the 'wild' became a place of caution and fear, rather than and environment in which man had and is supreme, from the invention of the spear, (100,000 bc ?), onwards. WTF? You don't know of one sighting of Bigfoot were black people are the witness? Where's your critical thinking my man? I don't claim to be a 'critical thinker' like you folks over there at the skeptic think tank, but if you're referring to the names of witnesses on the BFRO's website, how can you tell if they weren't names belonging an African American? You're so racist for making this assumption. Go ahead and hide behind your veil of critical thinking.

I know that the above is full of gaps, from Gimlin to Marx, but I think it is time to give up on Bigfoot. WTF? We think it's time for you to let go of your critical thinking abilities, because there's no such thing. EVERYONE on the planet is a critical thinker and we do it all the time. Just because you put your critical thinking into well written essays don't make you a critical thinker.

Goodbye Biggie, and thanks for all the shills.

Another insane skeptic responding to the post above:

William Parcher
Does not claim to be a Critical Thinker

There are very few AAs involved in Bigfootery or who claim encounters. It is very disproportionate compared to the population in general. It seems to be an intrigue/pastime of "white folks" more than anybody else. Within that group there also seems to be an overrepresentation of fundamentally religious (evangelical) people. That's my observation but others have said the same. WTF? I'll just say something authoritative, like what you just said. "White people like to go hunting more than black people. That's why you get more reports from white people." ... See how easy that was? That's how critical thinkers come up with such authoritative comments. Think about that...

Comments

  1. Maybe not many African-Americans see Bigfoot because

    a) there are many more African-Americans who live in cities than in towns and rural areas
    and
    b) camping and going out into the wilderness in general is at the current time not a big "thing" in the majority of the black community. Oprah recently tried to buck this trend by going to a national park... I think it was either the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone... to try to convince people that it was fun. On the internet, you can often see lines like "White people don't understand that nature is nature for reason." or other phrases which indicate that trekking out into the middle of the woods just isn't as big an activity in the African-American community... and a lot of that has to do with the fact that the African-American community is poorer in general and probably many parents and single mothers don't have the time to go out camping. They're too busy trying to support their kids!

    Anyway, in summary, the idea that bigfoots don't exist because there aren't many African-American witnesses is bogus.

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  2. First, there a off centered people on most post boards. JREF included. I'd say that the above statements are poorly expressed but your comments aren't supported either.

    Second. You should read Paranormal America by Bader et al. This writeup of an extensive study of beliefs supports Parcher's claims. W. Parcher has exposed a huge number of flaws, errors and hoaxes of Bigfootery. He is what I would consider trustworthy and, indeed, a critical thinker.

    Finally, calling people insane or otherwise suggesting it is a poor way to support an argument.

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  3. I just want to add that it's a normal response to feel defensive towards something you subscribe to. It's very hard not to react or overreact. But it's important to try to get beyond emotion and see if what's being said has merit regardless and construct a measured reply. It really works.

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  4. I would like to say that I agree with both previous posters, but there is a caveat to the first poster's conclusion ("...the idea that bigfoots don't exist because there aren't many African-American witness is bogus.") this is not what the original comment was trying to express. The original poster (OP) was stating that there are not as many African-American witnesses (whether there aren't as many for the first comment's reasons or they are not as evenly represented as white witnesses is irrelevant) this is not a racist assumption it is just a statement that the African-American community is not as represented in the bigfooter population (at least in the public eye) think of the numerous shows now such as Finding Bigfoot (which has an all white cast and interviews mostly white people), etc. This is an analysis of demographic representation not racism (it is similar to saying that more children believe in the Tooth Fairy than adults, there many exceptions but the majority of the represented believer population are in fact children, raising the question of whether the Tooth Fairy is then a construct of the former) that was the OP's point definitely not worthy of a WTF? or whatever "method" of non-biased annotation you attempted to utilize there.

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  5. My second point of contention is your WTF? annotation of the OP's comments on the Bigfoot as a schematic representation of the ubermensch (the OP wrongly spelled as obermensch) ideal. The OP was not saying that "Bigfoot was superman..." nor was this "..pulled out of [his] @$$." But you need to know what the OP is referencing before making a statement on it (as one should if you want to elicit support based on reason). The concept of the ubermensch (a word which in German means "superman" or "beyond man" not referencing the DC superhero) was one (while perhaps described conceptually by others) elaborated by Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche, while commenting on most topics of life had a particular affinity for analyzing and critiquing traditional moral systems in this light his concept of the ubermensch (while wrongly thought by the Nazis to be a specific person, giving them partial rationalization to breed towards a master race- totally not the intent that Nietzsche had) was one who would be able to transcend the Judeo-Christian standard of morality and go "beyond good and evil," he would be the perfect ideal of man as living a true "life-supporting" life in contrast with the "life-restricting" principles of traditional morality (which according to Nietzsche in his works, particularly in Genealogy of Morals, makes man hate his current reality in pursuit of an ideal of "heaven" stating that this current world is not perfect that the next one will be so he should care too much for this one and deny his inner Dionysian impulses [impulses that pursue putting aside the individual for the whole, a sense of uniting with the world beyond our individual selves and making ourselves better for it, creation especially of music, among others] and become repressed not fully living life to the fullest beyond the traditional frame work of morality [this does not mean living without morals in a purely hedonistic lifestyle, Nietzsche argues that Dionysus must be properly balanced with his Apollonian- the impulses of order and rigidity, but not too much in either way (think of a burnt-out frat boy for too much Dionysus living a pitiful party based existence and a socially impaired one who lives in isolation nerd afraid to break out for too much Apollo not living an important facet of existence through others)]. But, something the OP got wrong, Nietzsche's ubermensch was not a specific person or a different race of person (which would lead to a creation of a "bigfoot" as its personification where it could act without responding to "civilized morality" that Nietzsche felt life-denying) it was actually a state that Nietzsche felt and encouraged that lie dormant within everyone of us waiting to awake it like a tiger and would allow us to transcend our daily lives to the beautiful peaked point of our existences, so no although the OP got the individual creation of singular ubermensch as separate entities wrong, the idea was not "pulled out of his @$$." So, although such titles as yours bring readers to your article, a close reading does not warrant support it only exacerbates those who want to "critically think" no matter how much the wish for a bigfoot to exist is there. If you want broader support more empirical based arguments than WTF attached to concepts you are not (or do not) properly understanding in their original contexts only leads to people assuming ignorance of the article author (not the OP, in this case you) and only sets back your goal of eliciting support.

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  6. The previous two comments were mine, sorry for their length I felt it was just important. Just because you do not know some of the connotations that the OP was implying in his statement (and even though some were wrong) does not make them WTF statements. My name is Hunter if you wish to discuss any points I bring up further in this posting my email is h201890@yahoo. Thank you, and please try to be more professional in your future analyses and maybe people won't look so harshly on your community (not trying to sound elitist sorry if I am, I wish Bigfoot was real too I just highly doubt that it is [doesn't mean it isn't just the lack of empirical evidence that is currently present does not satisfy the claim that it does exist]). And the OP was not at all saying that only "Skeptics and White people can see Bigfoot," inflammatory statements are only that inflammatory and just like any inflammation, intellectual inflammation can be brought down with proper topical analysis (hah, I liked that analogy and "topical" pun lol I'll have to use that in the future- I know I hate it when people go over jokes, it makes them not funny). And although no one will see this post or respond, thank you.
    Hunter, h201890@yahoo

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    1. If you had stuck in a few paragraphs instead of making one huge paragraph (post 3.46), i bet many more people would have read it.

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  9. About 90% of what I read about African American in the same sentence with Bigfoot sounds all wrong lol.
    I'm sure there are bipedals recorded on record in these states, but as an African American myself. The sighting would be told to my family and never to police or newspapers and definitely not TV. Maybe this type of phenomena is kept among family and close friends.

    I do not think the person who asked the question why don't black people see Bigfoot was racist. This is just critical thinking at work and instead of just thinking he spoke it out. This was not a racists statement in my opinion.

    Black people ask the questions to about why.. UFO's, included. I learned that it happens and we don't speak about it publicly.

    The majority of Black people:
    In each of 10 southern states -- Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Maryland, Louisiana, Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi -- more than 1 million people reported as Black.
    New York was the state with the largest number of people reporting as Black in 2000

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    1. This is very true and being an African American, my great grandmother told me things that she saw and never reported it. There are plenty of African American accounts of UFO's, Bigfoot and Paranormal activity. As you stated it has just been passed down to other family members and friends in the African American community.

      My questiion is why don't some of these shows ask the questions and investigate these tru accounts, you would be amazed at what you hear.

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  10. Yes, African Americans have had sightings and plenty of them. If you go searching you will find that ie I was told by young lady who is Africa american that her uncle saw one in alabama. Older AA called the creatures something I'm not sure, but they did have a name for them.

    I just found out that an AA witness and saw the craft that crashed in Kecksburg and this was in a documentary. Also a AA pastor was on base in Roswell when the debris was brought in from the crash, he was replced eventuall by a priest because he could take confessional.

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  11. Black people don't like to get out in the wilderness.

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