Yup. Its to much of a coincdence for it to not be the face. You can see the Patterson bigfoot lips and nose look just like this mask. This seals the deal for the film beng a hoax.
I agree. I can no longer defend the Patterson film as being legitimate. It's game over for the Patterson film. I'm sorry for being a jerk about it all these years with that "Got monkey suit" line.
Hey Iktomi. No hard feelings. It takes a big man to admit when they are wrong. I still think that sasquatches may exist, but I agree with you that the Patterson film was the work of a hoaxer.
Another scraped up dog poo cleaned up with one simple comparison. Rum... it appears to me you have these failed arguments on file and simply rotate them in perfect cycles so you are assured of some type of interaction day to day.
“Research shows that experiences and traits related to loneliness have been found, for example, in perpetrators of school shootings, where a history of bullying and rejection sets the stage for tragedy. Other studies reviewed confirm that lonely adolescents are more likely to be physically and emotionally aggressive and that when people are bullied in the real world, they are more likely to act out on the internet. So one would expect loneliness to be a multiplier when it comes to internet trolling, which is itself correlated with Dark Tetrad personality traits of machiavellianism, psychopathy, everyday sadism, and narcissism. The Dark Tetrad is different from the Dark Triad in that in addition to narcissism, machiavellianism and psychopathy, it also includes a direct measure of sadism.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/experimentations/201908/what-makes-internet-trolls-tick?amp=
LOL - first it was "Stuey" now it's "Rum". Joetomi likes to believe every skeptical comment comes from one person. It makes him feel more secure in his religion - eh I mean belief.
Did you know that he now believes in the paranormal Bigfoot and claims it can cloak to make itself invisible? Yes, he said that!
And to think he made fun of old poor Dr. Squatch - LOL.
Listen Rum, the evidence shows that bigfoot have a as yet unexplained ability to turn their hair clear, giving them an ability to cloak. That's what I mean by paranormal. You don't get it Rum, so I'll have to explain it to you again. Bigfoot are mysterious creatures that we don't fully understand. Don't let your small mind not consider the possibilities.
rum, stuey, dr squatch are all the same person on here because it's the same bloke who luvs playing the sadistic role playing game on here. he's a bit daft and unstable and bases his whole existence on this well crafted game he plays but we've caught on and even though he thinks he's slier than everyone else truth is he's just a lonely wanker looking to enrich his life . Hey PS got robot monster suit with topstone mask ? didn't think so- bugger off ! cheers
Yes you will have to school me because I know of no other animal that can do that. Gee, Bigfoot are mysterious creatures that we don't fully understand but you seem to know they can cloak even though WE HAVE NEVER CAPTURED ONE TO PROVE IT. So disappearing in the trees is considered cloaking now? I guess we DO have a lot of animals that can cloak.
It seems that your mind considers every impossibility - LOL!
At the point of which you are pretending to be someone you are exchanging with to give yourself a better chance, it’s time to put the laptop away... go get some fresh air. You are clearly way too invested on an emotional basis.
Oh and Rum... it’s ok if you believe Bigfoot to be paranormal. There are a small amount of people who do. I wouldn’t begrudge them. You don’t have to feel silly on a blog like this. Setting up strawmen about others won’t help you feel better, doing some research on the how they are paranormal will. I’ll help you if you like? Maybe this can finally make peace?
Woo Wo - make way for "paranormal" Joetomi! You know he's getting desperate when he makes the claim that Bigfoot can make themselves invisible by instantaneously turning their hair clear. He also claims Bigfoot are human. So what human in history could do that? The invisible man? Ha ha ha ha.
Like I said Rum... if you’re bitter at others because they can substantiate their stance with evidence, maybe I can help you get some confidence with the paranormal stuff?
Well Mr. Paranormal Joetomi, how about we start with substantiating that Bigfoot can turn their hair clear? Show me the evidence of that. Of course you can't even prove it exists in the first place so.........
Well I think that’s pretty impossible, but I’m not sure anyone around here is advocating for that theory, are they?
What I can prove is that the physical evidence for a giant human with an archaic foot is impossible to hoax. You are welcome to let me know what other giant archaic human is leaving its sign around the US, but I think that would defeat the object.
What? YOU were the one espousing that Bigfoot can conceal themselves by turning their hair clear. Are you just now realizing what a stupid statement that was. Going down the paranormal route sorta undermines any statement you make.
No track is IMPOSSIBLE to hoax. Especially when you have no proof that the creature that made it even exists.
“AnonymousThursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:23:00 PM PST Iktomi if Bigfoot is real it is most certainly paranormal, not gigantopithecus or any other hominid. if it were the hunter Steve would have a bigfoot rug.“
If you’re going to make such statements, you’d better think first before having an epic meltdown and psychologically projecting such things on to others.
If no track is impossible to hoax... then please proceed to show me something that nobody on the planet has managed to accomplish. And your understanding of field biology is a little back to front & infantile. One does not need “proof” of the creature before its physical evidence is accepted as authentic. That goes against the natural process of tracking and cataloguing since field biology began.
That wasn't me you idiot. Once again you are operating under the delusion that all posts are from the same person. YOU made the statement that Bigfoot can conceal themselves by turning their hair clear. How about showing me evidence for that? How about you show me another animal running around today officially recognized by science based on no BIOLOGICAL evidence what-so-ever?
Sorry Rum! If you go back on the last week’s worth of comment sections there is ample evidence of you making some very bizarre claims whilst spending hoofs answering your own comments. I think at this point it would be difficult for anyone to know your background (endorsing Scott Carpenter’s and Dr Squatch’s paranormal pareidolia) and believe otherwise. What’s more is I actually have an avatar. You don’t. I have never made any such claim and I don’t endorse the idea.
Bigfoot have yielded hair fibres tested to be human. Hair fibres are biological evidence.
The hair fibers are just that - human not Bigfoot.
"I have never made any such claim and I don’t endorse the idea."
You sir are a liar and all one has to do is look at past comments and see for themselves that you said Bigfoot have the ability to turn their hair clear.......unless you have erased them.
Unfortunately those hair samples are morphologically congruent which proves they are not those that belong to any classified human or non-human primate. This rules out any suggestion that they can be miss-identified. In fact, the sample that Sykes tested that came back as a match for a feral human from Central Asia was taken from a direct eyewitness sighting by three government employees... where the subject not only left the fair fibre but also left a track that yielded dermal ridges they were verified as authentic by a list of forensic experts. So you can see, the chain of evidence that substantiates such a fair fibre is pretty prolific.
It’s funny Rum... when I get your blood up, ever notice that you focus on the immediate exchange too much and forget to bombard the comment sections with your sockpuppets? You were so dull that when you spent a career in trying to rid this place of people you left yourself open to being identified far more easily. It’s telling that you favoured sadism over your cover. That tells me it’s something far more pathological.
I realize you don't wish to discuss your hair brain statement that Bigfoot conceal themselves by turning their hair clear. I actually don't blame you because it was a real stupid thing to post. You can go on about the hair sample thing which we have heard a hundred times before but apparently it hasn't proved anything except to people who want to believe anyway. Better alert the Science Academy you have bulletproof evidence. Chop Chop.
The only thing you do is amuse me. Who needs a sock puppet when I can engage you one on one and still make you look foolish.
Now how about explaining to everyone how Bigfoot can turn their hair clear to conceal themselves since you know so much about them.
Again, the point has been made that the majority of people would have to know about the fair fibres for it to convince them of anything. Whilst the majority of people are expecting the DNA of a non-human primate, the human results of the DNA are still a shock to many, and what’s holding the subject back at this present time. Facts remain that DNA from hair HAS been sequenced, and we have the results of that sequencing.
And what’s ironic here is that only one of us is truly deflecting. I would suggest you stop making a spectacle of yourself old boy. For he who is trolling to end up so irate surely cannot be role your type envisage.
LOL Archaic Human. Do you hear yourself Rum? You have to look at the Patterson film objectively, like I am now. If there were no doubts about the film, the existence of these animals would be accepted by everyone.
Look at the Topstone caveman mask. It is so obvious that it was used to create the "Patty" face that it's beyond question.
If you need to be schooled again, just let me know. Cheers.
From what I can gather from the typical average approach to the PGF, and based on my own perceptions & naivety on the footage years ago, I can extrapolate four key areas that make people cynical of the footage;
1. People think that because Patty walks like a human it can't be a "Bigfoot", because they expect the stereotypical "hunched over, limping caveman"... When in fact she moves precisely how one would expect from another type of bipedal human.
2. People think that because she looks like a gorilla it therefore must be an obvious gorilla costume as it somehow does not fit their expectations. However, if these people were to familiarise themselves with the innumerable witness reports, Patty fits what we would expect from a widely reported "bipedal gorilla".
3. Pre-stabilisation; people weren't seeing enough detail and the two previous points applied even more so to the detriment of their opinions.
4. Post-stabilisation; people forget that Roger Patterson wouldn't have been so detailed in his "costume" by shooting in shakey 16MM. There's no way he would have anticipated the footage being stabilised 45 years later and decided to put SFX defying detail to his costume just in case. Unbelievable detail that equates to lots of hard work that would have been wasted for all these years, and that could have got him a job in the most well paid of Hollywood SFX as opposed to "swindling about Bigfoot".
So Rum, the reason there are still doubts about the film, and the existence of these hominin being accepted by everyone on the basis of that film... is because the people who invest time in researching about this subject and to learn the facts are in the stark minority.
This story was circulating the internet way back in 2004, or maybe as far back as 1999. Back when everybody was on 56k dial-up modems and a "Facebook" was just a regular book with directory listing of names and headshots. This story was so disturbing and so shocking that nobody believed it at the time. It was the Robert Lindsay " Bear Hunter: Two Bigfoots Shot and DNA Samples Taken " story of the time. And like Robert's Bear Hunter story , this witness didn't have a name. The only thing known about the witness is that this person was a government employee, anonymous of course. The author of the story was a science teacher named Thom Powell who believe it really happened and that the whole story was an elaborate cover-up. Powell said the anonymous government employee alerted the BFRO about a 7.5 feet long/tall burn victim with "multiple burns on hands, feet, legs and body; some 2nd and 3rd degree burns". Sadly, there was no DNA samples taken from...
Rumors abound on whether or not Finding Bigfoot will continue, but hopeful news is on the horizon. Snake Oil Productions, the production company responsible for Finding Bigfoot, is seeking a permit for filming in the Monterey, Virginia area. Monterey lies between the Monongahela and George Washington National Forests. Definitely a good place to look for bigfoot. We can only speculate if this means Finding Bigfoot has been signed on for additional seasons, or if perhaps a new bigfoot show is in the works. We'll keep you updated on any further announcements for sure.
Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Suzie M., a sasquatch enthusiast. Crypto-linguists believe that the species known Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Yowie ect speak and understand a complex language, which by all accounts seems to stem from Asia. When one listens to it there is definitely a sense of it being Chinese or Japanese. It is a very odd mix of sounds, clicks and what could be actual words. This is the reason some experts are looking into the Asian dialect theory, some have said it could be a lost dialect, which was carried from Asia by the Bigfoot species that colonised America.
There is no doubt that Patterson (perhaps with an accomplice) created the "Patty" suit using the Topstone caveman mask:
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Yup. Its to much of a coincdence for it to not be the face. You can see the Patterson bigfoot lips and nose look just like this mask. This seals the deal for the film beng a hoax.
DeleteI agree. I can no longer defend the Patterson film as being legitimate. It's game over for the Patterson film. I'm sorry for being a jerk about it all these years with that "Got monkey suit" line.
DeleteIktomi
Hey Iktomi. No hard feelings. It takes a big man to admit when they are wrong. I still think that sasquatches may exist, but I agree with you that the Patterson film was the work of a hoaxer.
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DeleteAnother scraped up dog poo cleaned up with one simple comparison. Rum... it appears to me you have these failed arguments on file and simply rotate them in perfect cycles so you are assured of some type of interaction day to day.
“Research shows that experiences and traits related to loneliness have been found, for example, in perpetrators of school shootings, where a history of bullying and rejection sets the stage for tragedy. Other studies reviewed confirm that lonely adolescents are more likely to be physically and emotionally aggressive and that when people are bullied in the real world, they are more likely to act out on the internet.
So one would expect loneliness to be a multiplier when it comes to internet trolling, which is itself correlated with Dark Tetrad personality traits of machiavellianism, psychopathy, everyday sadism, and narcissism. The Dark Tetrad is different from the Dark Triad in that in addition to narcissism, machiavellianism and psychopathy, it also includes a direct measure of sadism.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/experimentations/201908/what-makes-internet-trolls-tick?amp=
LOL - first it was "Stuey" now it's "Rum". Joetomi likes to believe every skeptical comment comes from one person. It makes him feel more secure in his religion - eh I mean belief.
DeleteDid you know that he now believes in the paranormal Bigfoot and claims it can cloak to make itself invisible? Yes, he said that!
And to think he made fun of old poor Dr. Squatch - LOL.
Listen Rum, the evidence shows that bigfoot have a as yet unexplained ability to turn their hair clear, giving them an ability to cloak. That's what I mean by paranormal. You don't get it Rum, so I'll have to explain it to you again. Bigfoot are mysterious creatures that we don't fully understand. Don't let your small mind not consider the possibilities.
DeleteLet me know when you want to be schooled again.
Iktomi
rum, stuey, dr squatch are all the same person on here because it's the same bloke who luvs playing the sadistic role playing game on here. he's a bit daft and unstable and bases his whole existence on this well crafted game he plays but we've caught on and even though he thinks he's slier than everyone else truth is he's just a lonely wanker looking to enrich his life . Hey PS got robot monster suit with topstone mask ?
Deletedidn't think so- bugger off !
cheers
Joe
"Unexplained ability to turn their hair clear".
DeleteYes you will have to school me because I know of no other animal that can do that. Gee, Bigfoot are mysterious creatures that we don't fully understand but you seem to know they can cloak even though WE HAVE NEVER CAPTURED ONE TO PROVE IT. So disappearing in the trees is considered cloaking now? I guess we DO have a lot of animals that can cloak.
It seems that your mind considers every impossibility - LOL!
At the point of which you are pretending to be someone you are exchanging with to give yourself a better chance, it’s time to put the laptop away... go get some fresh air. You are clearly way too invested on an emotional basis.
DeleteOh and Rum... it’s ok if you believe Bigfoot to be paranormal. There are a small amount of people who do. I wouldn’t begrudge them. You don’t have to feel silly on a blog like this. Setting up strawmen about others won’t help you feel better, doing some research on the how they are paranormal will. I’ll help you if you like? Maybe this can finally make peace?
DeleteWoo Wo - make way for "paranormal" Joetomi! You know he's getting desperate when he makes the claim that Bigfoot can make themselves invisible by instantaneously turning their hair clear. He also claims Bigfoot are human. So what human in history could do that? The invisible man? Ha ha ha ha.
DeleteLike I said Rum... if you’re bitter at others because they can substantiate their stance with evidence, maybe I can help you get some confidence with the paranormal stuff?
DeleteLet me help you.
Well Mr. Paranormal Joetomi, how about we start with substantiating that Bigfoot can turn their hair clear? Show me the evidence of that. Of course you can't even prove it exists in the first place so.........
DeleteWell I think that’s pretty impossible, but I’m not sure anyone around here is advocating for that theory, are they?
DeleteWhat I can prove is that the physical evidence for a giant human with an archaic foot is impossible to hoax. You are welcome to let me know what other giant archaic human is leaving its sign around the US, but I think that would defeat the object.
What? YOU were the one espousing that Bigfoot can conceal themselves by turning their hair clear. Are you just now realizing what a stupid statement that was. Going down the paranormal route sorta undermines any statement you make.
DeleteNo track is IMPOSSIBLE to hoax. Especially when you have no proof that the creature that made it even exists.
“AnonymousThursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:23:00 PM PST
DeleteIktomi if Bigfoot is real it is most certainly paranormal, not gigantopithecus or any other hominid. if it were the hunter Steve would have a bigfoot rug.“
If you’re going to make such statements, you’d better think first before having an epic meltdown and psychologically projecting such things on to others.
If no track is impossible to hoax... then please proceed to show me something that nobody on the planet has managed to accomplish. And your understanding of field biology is a little back to front & infantile. One does not need “proof” of the creature before its physical evidence is accepted as authentic. That goes against the natural process of tracking and cataloguing since field biology began.
That wasn't me you idiot. Once again you are operating under the delusion that all posts are from the same person. YOU made the statement that Bigfoot can conceal themselves by turning their hair clear. How about showing me evidence for that? How about you show me another animal running around today officially recognized by science based on no BIOLOGICAL evidence what-so-ever?
DeleteSorry Rum! If you go back on the last week’s worth of comment sections there is ample evidence of you making some very bizarre claims whilst spending hoofs answering your own comments. I think at this point it would be difficult for anyone to know your background (endorsing Scott Carpenter’s and Dr Squatch’s paranormal pareidolia) and believe otherwise. What’s more is I actually have an avatar. You don’t. I have never made any such claim and I don’t endorse the idea.
DeleteBigfoot have yielded hair fibres tested to be human. Hair fibres are biological evidence.
The hair fibers are just that - human not Bigfoot.
Delete"I have never made any such claim and I don’t endorse the idea."
You sir are a liar and all one has to do is look at past comments and see for themselves that you said Bigfoot have the ability to turn their hair clear.......unless you have erased them.
Unfortunately those hair samples are morphologically congruent which proves they are not those that belong to any classified human or non-human primate. This rules out any suggestion that they can be miss-identified. In fact, the sample that Sykes tested that came back as a match for a feral human from Central Asia was taken from a direct eyewitness sighting by three government employees... where the subject not only left the fair fibre but also left a track that yielded dermal ridges they were verified as authentic by a list of forensic experts. So you can see, the chain of evidence that substantiates such a fair fibre is pretty prolific.
DeleteIt’s funny Rum... when I get your blood up, ever notice that you focus on the immediate exchange too much and forget to bombard the comment sections with your sockpuppets? You were so dull that when you spent a career in trying to rid this place of people you left yourself open to being identified far more easily. It’s telling that you favoured sadism over your cover. That tells me it’s something far more pathological.
See ya tomorrow Rum!
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
DeleteI realize you don't wish to discuss your hair brain statement that Bigfoot conceal themselves by turning their hair clear. I actually don't blame you because it was a real stupid thing to post. You can go on about the hair sample thing which we have heard a hundred times before but apparently it hasn't proved anything except to people who want to believe anyway. Better alert the Science Academy you have bulletproof evidence. Chop Chop.
The only thing you do is amuse me. Who needs a sock puppet when I can engage you one on one and still make you look foolish.
Now how about explaining to everyone how Bigfoot can turn their hair clear to conceal themselves since you know so much about them.
Again, the point has been made that the majority of people would have to know about the fair fibres for it to convince them of anything. Whilst the majority of people are expecting the DNA of a non-human primate, the human results of the DNA are still a shock to many, and what’s holding the subject back at this present time. Facts remain that DNA from hair HAS been sequenced, and we have the results of that sequencing.
DeleteAnd what’s ironic here is that only one of us is truly deflecting. I would suggest you stop making a spectacle of yourself old boy. For he who is trolling to end up so irate surely cannot be role your type envisage.
DeleteThe PGF is genuine. The subject in the PGF is a female BF. No evidence has been cited for 52 years that even begins to cast doubt on the imagery.
ReplyDeletebang on ! skeptics try so hard t disprove it but can't . they are a bit like a parson's egg, some good bit's but overall a big failure
Deletecheers
Joe
LOL Archaic Human. Do you hear yourself Rum? You have to look at the Patterson film objectively, like I am now. If there were no doubts about the film, the existence of these animals would be accepted by everyone.
DeleteLook at the Topstone caveman mask. It is so obvious that it was used to create the "Patty" face that it's beyond question.
If you need to be schooled again, just let me know. Cheers.
Iktomi
From what I can gather from the typical average approach to the PGF, and based on my own perceptions & naivety on the footage years ago, I can extrapolate four key areas that make people cynical of the footage;
Delete1. People think that because Patty walks like a human it can't be a "Bigfoot", because they expect the stereotypical "hunched over, limping caveman"... When in fact she moves precisely how one would expect from another type of bipedal human.
2. People think that because she looks like a gorilla it therefore must be an obvious gorilla costume as it somehow does not fit their expectations. However, if these people were to familiarise themselves with the innumerable witness reports, Patty fits what we would expect from a widely reported "bipedal gorilla".
3. Pre-stabilisation; people weren't seeing enough detail and the two previous points applied even more so to the detriment of their opinions.
4. Post-stabilisation; people forget that Roger Patterson wouldn't have been so detailed in his "costume" by shooting in shakey 16MM. There's no way he would have anticipated the footage being stabilised 45 years later and decided to put SFX defying detail to his costume just in case. Unbelievable detail that equates to lots of hard work that would have been wasted for all these years, and that could have got him a job in the most well paid of Hollywood SFX as opposed to "swindling about Bigfoot".
So Rum, the reason there are still doubts about the film, and the existence of these hominin being accepted by everyone on the basis of that film... is because the people who invest time in researching about this subject and to learn the facts are in the stark minority.
Delete