An actual Woolly Mammoth was filmed in Russia in 1943. Or so the story says. Parabreakdown takes a closer look at this video and breaks it down for us:
There is physical evidence to this creature, something that you cleverly avoid, helps you not look silly should you try and counter such like an adult.
Tell me something; if Byrne was such a bad, fraudulant character, then wouldn't he have just made up that he's seen a Bigfoot?
Got monkey suit? Didn't think so... Cry me a river.
After what exactly? You claiming there isn't any physical evidence? I've come across cleverer farts to be honest. Bro... I think you're giving yourself a little, tiny but too much credit, don't ya think?
Tracks, unknown primate DNA, footage, recorded language, hair, scat... All these things have been verified by scientists who are top of their game. I have to go to work now, but I'll leave you something to read... Take your time, it might be too much to digest considering your little mind, but consider it some homework;
"'Normal' science, in Kuhn's sense, exists. It is the activity of the non-revolutionary, or more precisely, the not-too-critical professional: of the science student who accepts the ruling dogma of the day... in my view the 'normal' scientist, as Kuhn describes him, is a person one ought to be sorry for... He has been taught in a dogmatic spirit: he is a victim of indoctrination... I can only say that I see a very great danger in it and in the possibility of its becoming normal... a danger to science and, indeed, to our civilization. And this shows why I regard Kuhn's emphasis on the existence of this kind of science as so important."
Do you not understand the term 'biological evidence' or are you just that clueless?
Maybe you should venture over to BFF and see detailed threads on each one of those topics you listed and see how fellow bigfooters accept there are no accepted examples.
All that hair but you can't get a paper passed on it.
All those poops but you can't find significant DNA?
Unknown primate DNA is a joke, even BFF regulars accept that. One preliminary result from 10 years ago that was never followed up on is not conclusive, final, accepted results.
That's not even a topic for debate.
Tracks that are constantly misidentified and hoaxed? Doesn't mean diddly. If they did, the ape believer Meldrum would be king koopa.
Unlucky! Just because you don't have a source to contradict the DNA findings; that's not my problem, so cry me a river.
All sources of evidence have known, credible scientists and geneticists to them, and to have a paper on it, you need more examples so it can be presented as repeatable evidence. Those sources don't suddenly change because you do t have that, however.
All sources of evidence that are regularly put to the court of law can be falsified, whilst we have plenty examples of journals and peer reviews that have lied of misinformed the scientific community.
Keep blowing your own horn bro... I've come across your arguments a million times and blown them well out of the water and luckily I'm going to work, cause you're boring... Old boy.
Heck, you can get a dozen testable samples off one strand of hair!
Are these 'geneticists' that incompetent or what?
Fact is, there is no conclusive 'unknown primate' DNA. PS - humans and contamination.
Maybe if you went to the first page of BFF then you'd see dozen page length threads on 'unknown primate DNA', genetics, scat samples/testing, hair collection and testings, tracks, and chatter.
You seriously just parrot unoriginal thoughts and completely whacked out (even to diehard footers) bullcrap.
I particularly like how you talk about all these credible scientists and in the following paragraph call these scientists liars and demean them.
You were 'going to work' 25 minutes ago too. I think you're just grandstanding.
I sense Sharon Shill in this thread also. The persnickety snobbish twitish sniffing snooty prissy pontificating is a clue. Keep makin' that cash off o' bigfoot.
Stop crying about it and prove that the geneticists at Ohio State are wrong, it's as simple as that. I think you'll find that they're the best hair forensic lab in the world... Why should they want a second opinion on a subject as ridiculed as this, with a source of evidence that get's 'lost' more often than not?
'Unorginal thoughts'? Those are facts and I can tell by your apparent anger and euphemism that you're a little trapped as usual.
I couldn't understand the part of your comment that where you suggested I contradict myself, not sure you're thinking clearly, old boy.
Wait, prove it? Prove what? That they have nothing? Oregon Bigfoot already did that --
"November, 1995:
Researchers at Ohio State University attempt DNA extractions on two tufts of presumed Bigfoot hair recovered from Washington state in August 1995 after a sighting. Dr. Henner Fahrenbach had determined via microscopic analysis that the hairs came from two individuals of the same species.
March, 1998:
Dr. Henner Fahrenbach, and researchers Poe and Fuerst are unable to extract mitochondrial DNA from the Blue Mountain, WA samples and decide not to submit their manuscript for intended publication in the Journal of Cryptozoology "until more DNA from tissue, preferably with attached hair, is obtained"."
Don't you think in the 19 years since those two samples were submitted that you would have actually heard or read about FINAL results?
19 years, Spanky, 19 years.
Why would they seek a second opinion? You don't spend much time in the scientific world do you?
Unless results are independently repeatable they are merely scientific allegations, not scientific fact. That's the way it works.
Even Melba Ketchum knew that.
But hey, since you are a cranky wanker, and Ohio State is the rival of my own alma matter, I will see if those two fellas are still working for the Buckeyes and I'll send them an email to clear it all up.
And some more info on the Summerlin/Washington state samples from an article in 1996, it seems hoax meister Paul Freeman was part of the 3 man group to find the hair --
"The hair clumps have been given to Frank Pourier, chairman of the anthropology department at Ohio State University, who is using a DNA test developed by the FBI for analysis of hair strands that lack the roots normally needed for identification."
It seems they couldn't even get final results on the sample!
"COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Scientists are using a new DNA matching process to determine whether tufts of hair, recovered in the Blue Mountains of southeastern Washington state in August, could belong to the beast known as Bigfoot. The two tufts of hair, each consisting of about a dozen strands, were sent to Ohio State University. These samples have the best possibility of being real, said Paul Fuerst, OSU associate professor of molecular genetics. Fuerst and a graduate student, Jamie Austin, are using a DNA testing procedure being developed by the FBI for analysis of hair strands that lack the roots normally needed for identification.
Austin, a forensic scientist, is using the samples as well as human and chimpanzee hair to do an independent genetic evaluation of the procedure. The technique should be able to determine whether the hair came from a human or another known primate, Austin said.
Tests, which have been done for the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center, suggest the hair did not come from a known primate, Fuerst said."
Oh dear... If you were pissed off before, I'm sure you'll blow your top now!!
I'll say it again... One example of sequenced unknown primate DNA doesn't stop being unknown primate DNA because you don't have a source to contradict that. That is fact I'm afraid and it's your problem, not mine. To have anything accepted for publication, you also require more examples of it. It doesn't matter about getting another lab to sequence it, without more examples for repetitive results... You'd be in the same place.
But that doesn't stop the sample coming through as unknown primate... Does it?
"Update: In 2000, the hair was analyzed and determined to be primate, but from an unknown primate. It was not an identical match to any known living human or non-human primate classified so far..."
There have been plenty of hair samples that have come back unmatched to anything else. The Skookum cast hair samples? The Pangboche Yeti hand tissue samples came back “near human, but not human,” in other words, “almost human” in 1991.
Here I will draw on the 'Monsterquest Sasquatch Attacks 2' episode. In this episode, the geneticist clearly states that the samples appeared to be 'quite degraded having been accumilated a few years ago'. There is also an offered explanation for the samples that though not definitive in that the samples could have degraded to the point that from the original testing (that yielded unknown primate DNA), that had not been able to yield any DNA at all. The genericist clearly states that the samples may benefit from next generation sequencing, however it is increasingly apparent that Monsterquest were not willing to part with the money to get these samples tested further in such a manner.
A previous Anon poster;
"The finger (supposed Yeti) has been studied since the 90's, science has come along way in 20 years. It's been identified as all human."
... Again, this would adhere to my previous example but would also suggest a much longer amount of time to have had the DNA initially tested degraded."
My point being; both these samples were initially tested as unknown primate, but due to unfortunate circumstances and storage that rendered them damaged; sequenced later as inconclusive.
My own medicine? Nope... I'm a target because I'm good at what I do and it infuriates you people. If I wasn't that important, then why would you name drop me and beg for attention like some silly little insignifant?
Taking shots at a mans wife for no other reason than to hurt him is the lowest of lows. That's just the un coolest thing ever. If any of you trolls are married and actually love your wives you know in your heart that stuff should be off limits.
My wife is a gorgeous woman. She's beautiful inside and out. She would give you the shirt off her beautiful tattooed back and die for her family. For you to take shots at her is ridiculous. If you keep cyber bullying people here... Won't you be late for the bus? I mean you most obviously have to be a child the way you choose to attack people. Only a snot nosed fat kid would resort to the sort of social interactions of which you fail so miserably. 3:44, you should try being a gentleman too sometime. It makes you feel good inside. There's more to life than Doritos and porn.
I think that some people (many?) who say they believe that the PGF shows a real Bigfoot don't actually believe that. They pretend and act like they believe. I think this is also true for a general belief in the reality of Bigfoot. People are pretending to believe because they want to participate in the hobby of Bigfootery. They have the kind of personality that thinks it's cool, fun, interesting or whatever. The hobby allows for role-playing on a variety of levels and that may attract people. Some may profess a belief in the PGF because it makes it much easier to socialize with other Bigfooters. Polls on the BFF consistently show that 70-80% of the respondants say that the PGF shows a real Bigfoot (not maybe). That is a meaningful majority. In some circles of Bigfooters the number might approach 100%. AFAIK, there are no famous (emminent) Bigfooters who say that the film is a hoax or is probably a hoax... I'm thinking of Meldrum, Green, Coleman, etc. It may be that you will never gain a meaningful following of fellow Bigfooters if you talk about the PGF being a hoax. If you are a Bigfoot believer who says you think the PGF is real, you have greased the wheels of social propriety within your hobby. Lots of people will voice their agreement and be counted as a friend. But to say that the PGF is a hoax or is probably one is to throw a wrench in the wheels. All sorts of folks will disagree and might stand a few paces away and not be counted as a friend. You are someone who has called Bob Gimlin a liar. There is no way around that because the theories that place Gimlin as being hoaxed himself are bankrupt. If Patty is a guy in a suit then Gimlin is a liar. Period. Anyway, I think many Bigfooters ignore what Greg Long found out and documented because it makes it much easier to get along with other Bigfooters.
"As it turns out, some of the Yakima residents who were quoted by Greg Long in his book now say their stories and comments about Roger were distorted in his book. They say Long seemed to be on a mission to make Roger Patterson out to be a petty criminal.
Roger was an unsophisticated cowboy, but a highly motivated, multi-skilled cowboy with big aspirations. Only a few years after obtaining the footage he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He died in 1972, at the age of 46. Apparently (and not surprisingly) Roger had not repaid all his personal debts, or completed all his planned projects, or returned all his borrowed items, before his cancer put him into the bed where he eventually died.
People who die of cancer in their prime of life often leave behind a lot of loose ends and debts. Does that make them petty criminals? Greg Long would have you think so.
Greg Long told folks around Yakima that Roger Patterson made a heap of money from the famous footage, and he (Greg Long) wanted to find anyone who was owed money by Patterson ... or who would otherwise bear witness against him, as Long claimed everybody in town was doing .... For example, Bob Hieronimous claims Roger owed him $1,000 for wearing the costume in the footage ..."
Oh... And what exactly should I be going 'nuclear' over... Because someone said that he doutbs people who claim to believe on the PGF actually don't? Think for a minute how child minded that is.
Also... There is no bigger avenue for self worth and sense of community in trolling something like this subject. Let's look at what qualifies of a troll shall we? Let's...
Dependance of community to make up lack of belonging Chronic denialism A missunderstanding of skepticism Fear Anxiety of the unknown Requirement of reassurance Closure desperation
Many of these people will accept at face value the testimony of people who say they saw a massive uncatalogued bipedal ape from places all over North America in a greater distribution than any other large mammal on this continent, including black bears, cougars, you name it, but they would dismiss the testimony of two camera shop operators who dealt with Patterson in the 60's. Those people are approached by an investigator, relay their experiences with the man, and have little to gain by their discussion. Patterson told both Duane and Harvey Anderson of Anderson's camera that he had encountered Bigfoot. He told Duane that he filmed one and he asked Harvey for advice about filming a fake one and asked him to keep quiet. There were three camera shops for Patterson to buy/rent film and equipment at in the 60's. He dealt with all of them. He ended up arrested because he was ripping off one of them. Why should we not believe the people who ran the businesses in those communites where Patterson was?
You don't have a problem with people talking Bigfoot, but you do have a problem with business owners talking about nutty behaviour from a known liar and hustler?
Cheese and crackers, what the foxtrot is wrong with these people? The film is a fake. The man was con artist and hoaxer. People who know the things we discuss here about Patterson that think he was just the luckiest lying SOB ever are beyond hope of mental rehabilitation.
Your source is from a know liar... End of. Sorry to burst your bubble. By the rules of impartiality you should be as doubtful of our source. It's an old argument with sooooo many holes.
; )
Got monkey suit? No... You always have a known liar who uses known liars to hoax a hoax to fall back on.
There's money in hoaxing a hoax and there a sense of community in trolling a subject. Doesn't say much for your character does it?
Going to work now... I'll be back to answer any more fabrications later.
Ok then... Answer me this, though I won't be here to read it till later;
When all the people Greg interviewed come forward to say he fabricated things they said, when the costume expert he uses in his book had to higher a costume expert to make a gorilla suit that looks nothing like Patty and when the alleged guy who claims he wore the suit makes contradiction after contradiction and then his description of the suit looks nothing like Patty...
Again 84 comments, and mostly all of them are picking on Joe F. What a PATHETIC site this is turning out to be! And what does this Video have to do with Big foots? Shawn?
"Show me the suit" they say, never occurs to them that maybe the suit was destroyed? Why hold on to the one sure fire piece of evidence that proves you a hoaxer?
The film is far from conclusive. It doesn't prove a thing. All it does is verify the existence of Sasquatch to those already predisposed to the idea.
Big budgets have been devoted to replicating Patty and have failed. You are conveniently forgetting and ignoring that massive monolith of evidence. Big budgets already did your work for you, and flunked hard. They already did the work for you, which you dream of doing: try replicate Patty credibly.
When the BBC-backed Hackham flunked so violently with strutting orange stickman, that should have told you something about Patty and PGF. When Bob H flunked out in his replication attempt that should have told you something, since he is the skeptard's golden dream boy of boy-in-suit.
If he Bob H were Patty, his stop motion jerk dance montage would not be, well, a stop motion jerk dance montage.
Hey joe! Ttl! Give monster x a listen the episode about kill or no kill to me it sounds like a lot of holes in the story but very interesting story another man who claims he's going to shoot a sasqwatch!! Also I'd like to here what u think sasqwatch is hybrid?????? Im saying it's a type of unknown ape for Shure and not any type of human or ancient human !!! What r your thoughts joe fitz???? TTL!!!
Come on u guys why don't u find someone else to play with there must be a blog for trolls or whatever it is u do! Just go away and leave Joe alone! This is getting old fast!
Oh ya just thought I'd throw this out there!!! Sick of people saying these sasqwatch have no neck!! They have a neck it's just hard to see given there large shoulder and neck to shoulder muscles, and what really hides everything is there hair!! It's so thick up top and full?, gives the look of having no neck a good example would be taking a body builder and covering him with hair he'd look the same way! Sasqwatch can't go for a haircut just like any other (animal) !!! Hope this comes to a end in 2014!! TTL!
Yes ! This goes back to Justin's shot herd around the world lol, the story is that Walley collected the body after the kill and now Justin needs to prove himself buy killing another bf for himself to show the world, makes perfect sence given its all true??
John Jones Spoke and Corey Hawk Spoke have come forward stating that woolly mammoths practice sky burial. This is why we never find any recent remains. Sounds credible.
Why Anon 8:22 Your so fixated on John W. Jones Spoke? It seems by your many posts about him, that your are obsessed with him! What's the matter? He stated his Native American beliefs, that deceased Big foots are tied to Pine trees, Where do you get Sky Burials? He never said that! Can't you read correctly? As this is not the first time, you got your information wrong about him. Smarten up Dummy! Tom Deer runner Spoken
Ttl ! Thanks chuck! I just don't understand we're people r getting half this crap they talk about and it's mostly cause they never seen a sasqwatch there just a animal ! A huge monster animal but there smart, in low number population , part ape, it would be like walking into the bush trying to find a bear that can think like a ape! Ttl u catch them when there hungry waiting for pray as long as u now were they stalk!
this was proven a hoax years ago when it came out! really? this is what classifies as news here? what a bunch of half wits! sad to see it go this low :{
This story was circulating the internet way back in 2004, or maybe as far back as 1999. Back when everybody was on 56k dial-up modems and a "Facebook" was just a regular book with directory listing of names and headshots. This story was so disturbing and so shocking that nobody believed it at the time. It was the Robert Lindsay " Bear Hunter: Two Bigfoots Shot and DNA Samples Taken " story of the time. And like Robert's Bear Hunter story , this witness didn't have a name. The only thing known about the witness is that this person was a government employee, anonymous of course. The author of the story was a science teacher named Thom Powell who believe it really happened and that the whole story was an elaborate cover-up. Powell said the anonymous government employee alerted the BFRO about a 7.5 feet long/tall burn victim with "multiple burns on hands, feet, legs and body; some 2nd and 3rd degree burns". Sadly, there was no DNA samples taken from
Rumors abound on whether or not Finding Bigfoot will continue, but hopeful news is on the horizon. Snake Oil Productions, the production company responsible for Finding Bigfoot, is seeking a permit for filming in the Monterey, Virginia area. Monterey lies between the Monongahela and George Washington National Forests. Definitely a good place to look for bigfoot. We can only speculate if this means Finding Bigfoot has been signed on for additional seasons, or if perhaps a new bigfoot show is in the works. We'll keep you updated on any further announcements for sure.
Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Suzie M., a sasquatch enthusiast. Crypto-linguists believe that the species known Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Yowie ect speak and understand a complex language, which by all accounts seems to stem from Asia. When one listens to it there is definitely a sense of it being Chinese or Japanese. It is a very odd mix of sounds, clicks and what could be actual words. This is the reason some experts are looking into the Asian dialect theory, some have said it could be a lost dialect, which was carried from Asia by the Bigfoot species that colonised America.
My wife has a woolly mammoth.
ReplyDeleteI hear you hope for my death? What did I ever do to you that you should hope for my death, little man?
DeleteI really doubt YOU have a wife!
Deleteball boy
You hear? I literally just said it a thread ago. Don't you mean you read it?
DeleteAnd if it isn't the little weirdo obsessed with Harry Bandini and Daniel Campbell!! How's your alter coming along ball boy?
Joe's mother is a whore.
DeleteNope... I heard from a friend who read it and rung me. Answer the question; what have I ever done to you for you to hope for my death?
DeleteI heard he was mad about the time you wouldnt let him give you the golden
DeleteAnd I think it totally rich that you should suggest anyone is obsessed when you have MMG's name and you name drop me on every thread.
DeleteSilly little man.
Got patty butt diaper?
DeleteGot monkey suit? Didn't think so... Your problem, not mine.
Deleteoh, it's fine. how's yours?
Deleteweirdo? now, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
ball boy
"I heard from a friend who read it and rung me."
DeleteSUUUUUURRREEE YA DID
my point, exactly, joe!
Deleteball boy
Got patty butt diaper and fake patty pancakes?
DeleteGot magic monkey suit? No???
DeleteGot Patty butt diaper and Blevins suit?
DeleteComplete lack of bigfoot means there is no need for a special monkey suit.
DeleteThousands of these giant creatures but not a single conclusive piece of evidence ever.
Top footers going down for fraud doesn't help either.
There is physical evidence to this creature, something that you cleverly avoid, helps you not look silly should you try and counter such like an adult.
DeleteTell me something; if Byrne was such a bad, fraudulant character, then wouldn't he have just made up that he's seen a Bigfoot?
Got monkey suit? Didn't think so... Cry me a river.
; )
^ Steven Streufert
DeleteScientific allegations, sure, there is plenty of that.
DeleteConclusive biological evidence? Not so much.
Knocks and stick figures don't validate a species.
Goodness. I don't even know if you are the poor man's DWA after this. I don't know if you could even stand in his shadow.
After what exactly? You claiming there isn't any physical evidence? I've come across cleverer farts to be honest. Bro... I think you're giving yourself a little, tiny but too much credit, don't ya think?
DeleteTracks, unknown primate DNA, footage, recorded language, hair, scat... All these things have been verified by scientists who are top of their game. I have to go to work now, but I'll leave you something to read... Take your time, it might be too much to digest considering your little mind, but consider it some homework;
"'Normal' science, in Kuhn's sense, exists. It is the activity of the non-revolutionary, or more precisely, the not-too-critical professional: of the science student who accepts the ruling dogma of the day... in my view the 'normal' scientist, as Kuhn describes him, is a person one ought to be sorry for... He has been taught in a dogmatic spirit: he is a victim of indoctrination... I can only say that I see a very great danger in it and in the possibility of its becoming normal... a danger to science and, indeed, to our civilization. And this shows why I regard Kuhn's emphasis on the existence of this kind of science as so important."
— Karl Raimund Popper
Karl Popper is a known hoaxer. Got patty butt diaper Steven?
DeleteDo you not understand the term 'biological evidence' or are you just that clueless?
DeleteMaybe you should venture over to BFF and see detailed threads on each one of those topics you listed and see how fellow bigfooters accept there are no accepted examples.
All that hair but you can't get a paper passed on it.
All those poops but you can't find significant DNA?
Unknown primate DNA is a joke, even BFF regulars accept that. One preliminary result from 10 years ago that was never followed up on is not conclusive, final, accepted results.
That's not even a topic for debate.
Tracks that are constantly misidentified and hoaxed? Doesn't mean diddly. If they did, the ape believer Meldrum would be king koopa.
Recorded language? LOL
You're not even entertaining. At least DWA is.
Later gator
Man, Joe just got schooled. schooled hard
DeleteUnlucky! Just because you don't have a source to contradict the DNA findings; that's not my problem, so cry me a river.
DeleteAll sources of evidence have known, credible scientists and geneticists to them, and to have a paper on it, you need more examples so it can be presented as repeatable evidence. Those sources don't suddenly change because you do t have that, however.
All sources of evidence that are regularly put to the court of law can be falsified, whilst we have plenty examples of journals and peer reviews that have lied of misinformed the scientific community.
Keep blowing your own horn bro... I've come across your arguments a million times and blown them well out of the water and luckily I'm going to work, cause you're boring... Old boy.
Heck, you can get a dozen testable samples off one strand of hair!
DeleteAre these 'geneticists' that incompetent or what?
Fact is, there is no conclusive 'unknown primate' DNA. PS - humans and contamination.
Maybe if you went to the first page of BFF then you'd see dozen page length threads on 'unknown primate DNA', genetics, scat samples/testing, hair collection and testings, tracks, and chatter.
You seriously just parrot unoriginal thoughts and completely whacked out (even to diehard footers) bullcrap.
I particularly like how you talk about all these credible scientists and in the following paragraph call these scientists liars and demean them.
You were 'going to work' 25 minutes ago too. I think you're just grandstanding.
^ Walter Peck. Is that you?
DeleteI sense Sharon Shill in this thread also. The persnickety snobbish twitish sniffing snooty prissy pontificating is a clue. Keep makin' that cash off o' bigfoot.
DeleteProve it.
DeleteStop crying about it and prove that the geneticists at Ohio State are wrong, it's as simple as that. I think you'll find that they're the best hair forensic lab in the world... Why should they want a second opinion on a subject as ridiculed as this, with a source of evidence that get's 'lost' more often than not?
'Unorginal thoughts'? Those are facts and I can tell by your apparent anger and euphemism that you're a little trapped as usual.
I couldn't understand the part of your comment that where you suggested I contradict myself, not sure you're thinking clearly, old boy.
; )
Wait, prove it? Prove what? That they have nothing? Oregon Bigfoot already did that --
Delete"November, 1995:
Researchers at Ohio State University attempt DNA extractions on two tufts of presumed Bigfoot hair recovered from Washington state in August 1995 after a sighting. Dr. Henner Fahrenbach had determined via microscopic analysis that the hairs came from two individuals of the same species.
March, 1998:
Dr. Henner Fahrenbach, and researchers Poe and Fuerst are unable to extract mitochondrial DNA from the Blue Mountain, WA samples and decide not to submit their manuscript for intended publication in the Journal of Cryptozoology "until more DNA from tissue, preferably with attached hair, is obtained"."
Don't you think in the 19 years since those two samples were submitted that you would have actually heard or read about FINAL results?
19 years, Spanky, 19 years.
Why would they seek a second opinion? You don't spend much time in the scientific world do you?
Unless results are independently repeatable they are merely scientific allegations, not scientific fact. That's the way it works.
Even Melba Ketchum knew that.
But hey, since you are a cranky wanker, and Ohio State is the rival of my own alma matter, I will see if those two fellas are still working for the Buckeyes and I'll send them an email to clear it all up.
PEACE!!!!!
Oh and here - www.oregonbigfoot.com/melba-ketchum-Bigfoot-DNA-study_2011.php
DeleteAnd some more info on the Summerlin/Washington state samples from an article in 1996, it seems hoax meister Paul Freeman was part of the 3 man group to find the hair --
Delete"The hair clumps have been given to Frank Pourier, chairman of the anthropology department at Ohio State University, who is using a DNA test developed by the FBI for analysis of hair strands that lack the roots normally needed for identification."
It seems they couldn't even get final results on the sample!
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/london.htm
"COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Scientists are using a new DNA matching process to determine whether tufts of hair, recovered in the Blue Mountains of southeastern Washington state in August, could belong to the beast known as Bigfoot.
DeleteThe two tufts of hair, each consisting of about a dozen strands, were sent to Ohio State University. These samples have the best possibility of being real, said Paul Fuerst, OSU associate professor of molecular genetics. Fuerst and a graduate student, Jamie Austin, are using a DNA testing procedure being developed by the FBI for analysis of hair strands that lack the roots normally needed for identification.
Austin, a forensic scientist, is using the samples as well as human and chimpanzee hair to do an independent genetic evaluation of the procedure. The technique should be able to determine whether the hair came from a human or another known primate, Austin said.
Tests, which have been done for the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center, suggest the hair did not come from a known primate, Fuerst said."
Oh dear... If you were pissed off before, I'm sure you'll blow your top now!!
I'll say it again... One example of sequenced unknown primate DNA doesn't stop being unknown primate DNA because you don't have a source to contradict that. That is fact I'm afraid and it's your problem, not mine. To have anything accepted for publication, you also require more examples of it. It doesn't matter about getting another lab to sequence it, without more examples for repetitive results... You'd be in the same place.
But that doesn't stop the sample coming through as unknown primate... Does it?
Ha ha ha ha!!!
Cue the names...
http://www.mid-americabigfoot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6042
Delete"Update: In 2000, the hair was analyzed and determined to be primate, but from an unknown primate. It was not an identical match to any known living human or non-human primate classified so far..."
Spanky???
DeleteThis being the modern age, I just typed up an email to him asking for clarification and details due to hearsay.
DeleteI'll be sure to screen cap the reply and post it for all to see.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
DeleteAnd ok to believe an anonymous poster who uses the name 'Spanky' that you're indeed speaking with such people?
I was laughing before, now I'm just pretty hysterical!
There have been plenty of hair samples that have come back unmatched to anything else. The Skookum cast hair samples? The Pangboche Yeti hand tissue samples came back “near human, but not human,” in other words, “almost human” in 1991.
DeleteHere I will draw on the 'Monsterquest Sasquatch Attacks 2' episode. In this episode, the geneticist clearly states that the samples appeared to be 'quite degraded having been accumilated a few years ago'. There is also an offered explanation for the samples that though not definitive in that the samples could have degraded to the point that from the original testing (that yielded unknown primate DNA), that had not been able to yield any DNA at all. The genericist clearly states that the samples may benefit from next generation sequencing, however it is increasingly apparent that Monsterquest were not willing to part with the money to get these samples tested further in such a manner.
A previous Anon poster;
"The finger (supposed Yeti) has been studied since the 90's, science has come along way in 20 years. It's been identified as all human."
... Again, this would adhere to my previous example but would also suggest a much longer amount of time to have had the DNA initially tested degraded."
My point being; both these samples were initially tested as unknown primate, but due to unfortunate circumstances and storage that rendered them damaged; sequenced later as inconclusive.
Check the Les Stroud comments, Joe.
DeleteInconclusive and preliminary results are not final, conclusive, accepted results.
You should know this. It's nothing new.
'Preliminary results' in this case meaning; 'results that aren't to your liking'?
DeleteGood luck with expecting people to believe you on that 'reply' you get there, old boy... Ha!!
Oh, and you didn't answer my question earlier (a trait I know well), what have I done to you for you to wish me dead?
^ Steven Streufert
DeleteGot elephant?
ReplyDeleteNo, just giant hairy rhynos
Deletewhy is fitzgerald verified and why is he calling somebody 'a little man'. the irony. How clueless and ignorant he is
ReplyDeleteWhat's the matter, do you want some attention too?
Delete^ Streufert is that you??
DeleteSo this is your new obsession I guess? Pretty pointless isn't it??
DeleteNot like you have anything better to do. On meth much?
^ Streufert
DeleteJoe, they're just giving you some of your own medicine. Bitter much?
DeletePoor man's DWA ^
DeleteSuch a perfect description.
My own medicine? Nope... I'm a target because I'm good at what I do and it infuriates you people. If I wasn't that important, then why would you name drop me and beg for attention like some silly little insignifant?
Delete^ Steven Streufert
DeleteTravis gets made fun of all the time and he hasn't posted regularly in a year. So do many other people.
DeleteI'd ease up on your narcissism, "Joe."
But you make me so important... Look how important I am to you.
DeleteMan, I'm so important.
^ Steven Streufert
DeleteWell, time for me to go to work. I'll let old Steven fester in his own excrement for the rest of the day.
DeleteGOOD MORNING PEOPLE
ReplyDeleteHey harry! How's your fat wife??
DeleteBandini!!! How are you buddy?
DeleteQuick, someone paste Joe's vile comments about Bandini from 2 months ago when he had a meltdown.
DeleteHow'd that go again, Joe?
bandini, why'd u stop coming for a while?
DeleteIn your estimate, how many meltdowns has Joe had, and which was the worst?
DeleteGood joe what's goin on. Funny she makes more in a week then you'll make in a lifetime how's your miserable life and gay fetishes goin.
DeleteIs your mom goin to town on your dad with the strap on I sent them
DeleteLOL, can't read what you wrote.
DeleteNot sure what's more disturbing, Harry's terrible grammar skills, unibrow, or fat wife.
Harry, why did you have a strap on to begin with?
DeleteOr is your dad using it cause he can't get it up either way they're both lady like I guess I don't care
DeleteOooooo avoid the money question like the plague we have a winner folks are very own punk kid makin dominoes pizza what's up b*tch
DeleteTaking shots at a mans wife for no other reason than to hurt him is the lowest of lows. That's just the un coolest thing ever. If any of you trolls are married and actually love your wives you know in your heart that stuff should be off limits.
DeleteHarry stealing lines from Super Bowl commercials and Kent Skeptard playing Captain White Knight.
DeleteMove along, people, nothing to see here.
Are you married, Kent? If so, I'm sure that your wife is a fat whore like Harry's.
DeleteMy wife is a gorgeous woman. She's beautiful inside and out. She would give you the shirt off her beautiful tattooed back and die for her family. For you to take shots at her is ridiculous.
DeleteIf you keep cyber bullying people here... Won't you be late for the bus? I mean you most obviously have to be a child the way you choose to attack people. Only a snot nosed fat kid would resort to the sort of social interactions of which you fail so miserably.
3:44, you should try being a gentleman too sometime. It makes you feel good inside. There's more to life than Doritos and porn.
Well, it seems Kent is guilty of the things the things he accuses others of doing.
DeleteMaybe you should just go back to being anonymous and telling mmg sr how he's a bully!
Dude, you wish I was anonymous which just goes to show, you truly are a child.
DeleteAfter seeing your posts here, I don't think you should be calling anyone else childish...pony.
DeleteOr does your little meltdown the night before escape your memory? You said a plethora of very childish things.
Go back to your fat, Indian inked, ugly wife.
Kent got pwned like Joe.
DeleteLaugh out loud at the little trolls who cameth from the toilet bowls
DeleteChildish, mean and very rude
Attacking Joe cuz thems got schooled.
Did you..did you just type out "laugh out lout at"....,
DeleteAAHHAHAHAHAHSHSHGAHSGAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you just misspell loud?
DeleteHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Must be a first grade troll.
Here,at TROLLANDIA,you must be able to spell correctly.
I think that some people (many?) who say they believe that the PGF shows a real Bigfoot don't actually believe that. They pretend and act like they believe. I think this is also true for a general belief in the reality of Bigfoot. People are pretending to believe because they want to participate in the hobby of Bigfootery. They have the kind of personality that thinks it's cool, fun, interesting or whatever. The hobby allows for role-playing on a variety of levels and that may attract people. Some may profess a belief in the PGF because it makes it much easier to socialize with other Bigfooters. Polls on the BFF consistently show that 70-80% of the respondants say that the PGF shows a real Bigfoot (not maybe). That is a meaningful majority. In some circles of Bigfooters the number might approach 100%. AFAIK, there are no famous (emminent) Bigfooters who say that the film is a hoax or is probably a hoax... I'm thinking of Meldrum, Green, Coleman, etc. It may be that you will never gain a meaningful following of fellow Bigfooters if you talk about the PGF being a hoax. If you are a Bigfoot believer who says you think the PGF is real, you have greased the wheels of social propriety within your hobby. Lots of people will voice their agreement and be counted as a friend. But to say that the PGF is a hoax or is probably one is to throw a wrench in the wheels. All sorts of folks will disagree and might stand a few paces away and not be counted as a friend. You are someone who has called Bob Gimlin a liar. There is no way around that because the theories that place Gimlin as being hoaxed himself are bankrupt. If Patty is a guy in a suit then Gimlin is a liar. Period. Anyway, I think many Bigfooters ignore what Greg Long found out and documented because it makes it much easier to get along with other Bigfooters.
ReplyDeleteLook out, hes going to go nuclear. Advanced warning
DeleteYou just f**king wait for the poor man's DWA to see this.
Delete"As it turns out, some of the Yakima residents who were quoted by Greg Long in his book now say their stories and comments about Roger were distorted in his book. They say Long seemed to be on a mission to make Roger Patterson out to be a petty criminal.
DeleteRoger was an unsophisticated cowboy, but a highly motivated, multi-skilled cowboy with big aspirations. Only a few years after obtaining the footage he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He died in 1972, at the age of 46. Apparently (and not surprisingly) Roger had not repaid all his personal debts, or completed all his planned projects, or returned all his borrowed items, before his cancer put him into the bed where he eventually died.
People who die of cancer in their prime of life often leave behind a lot of loose ends and debts. Does that make them petty criminals? Greg Long would have you think so.
Greg Long told folks around Yakima that Roger Patterson made a heap of money from the famous footage, and he (Greg Long) wanted to find anyone who was owed money by Patterson ... or who would otherwise bear witness against him, as Long claimed everybody in town was doing .... For example, Bob Hieronimous claims Roger owed him $1,000 for wearing the costume in the footage ..."
Oh... And what exactly should I be going 'nuclear' over... Because someone said that he doutbs people who claim to believe on the PGF actually don't? Think for a minute how child minded that is.
Also... There is no bigger avenue for self worth and sense of community in trolling something like this subject. Let's look at what qualifies of a troll shall we? Let's...
Dependance of community to make up lack of belonging
Chronic denialism
A missunderstanding of skepticism
Fear
Anxiety of the unknown
Requirement of reassurance
Closure desperation
Yep... That's you people to a 'T' me thinks.
Ha ha ha ha!!
^ Steven Streufert
DeleteMeltdown ^
DeleteYeahp, Streufert lost it when Patterson was questioned.
DeleteMany of these people will accept at face value the testimony of people who say they saw a massive uncatalogued bipedal ape from places all over North America in a greater distribution than any other large mammal on this continent, including black bears, cougars, you name it, but they would dismiss the testimony of two camera shop operators who dealt with Patterson in the 60's. Those people are approached by an investigator, relay their experiences with the man, and have little to gain by their discussion. Patterson told both Duane and Harvey Anderson of Anderson's camera that he had encountered Bigfoot. He told Duane that he filmed one and he asked Harvey for advice about filming a fake one and asked him to keep quiet. There were three camera shops for Patterson to buy/rent film and equipment at in the 60's. He dealt with all of them. He ended up arrested because he was ripping off one of them. Why should we not believe the people who ran the businesses in those communites where Patterson was?
DeleteYou don't have a problem with people talking Bigfoot, but you do have a problem with business owners talking about nutty behaviour from a known liar and hustler?
Cheese and crackers, what the foxtrot is wrong with these people? The film is a fake. The man was con artist and hoaxer. People who know the things we discuss here about Patterson that think he was just the luckiest lying SOB ever are beyond hope of mental rehabilitation.
Meltdown in 3....2....1...
DeleteYour source is from a know liar... End of. Sorry to burst your bubble. By the rules of impartiality you should be as doubtful of our source. It's an old argument with sooooo many holes.
Delete; )
Got monkey suit? No... You always have a known liar who uses known liars to hoax a hoax to fall back on.
There's money in hoaxing a hoax and there a sense of community in trolling a subject. Doesn't say much for your character does it?
Going to work now... I'll be back to answer any more fabrications later.
My word, what a schooling.
; )
Yep Steven blew his top. Just like i suspected
DeleteUm Joe? Are you slipping? You didnt school him at all.
DeleteBAHAHAHA! What time is it other Joe? Just now going to work?? Are you on fries or the grill?
Delete^ Steven Streufert
DeleteOk then... Answer me this, though I won't be here to read it till later;
DeleteWhen all the people Greg interviewed come forward to say he fabricated things they said, when the costume expert he uses in his book had to higher a costume expert to make a gorilla suit that looks nothing like Patty and when the alleged guy who claims he wore the suit makes contradiction after contradiction and then his description of the suit looks nothing like Patty...
Should that be considered a credible source?
You school yourselves sometimes. You really do.
; )
^Steven Streufert. Got Patty butt diaper?
DeleteHey joe dont feel too bad about getting destroyed buddy. We all have our off days.
Delete3:36 was perfect timing.
DeleteFack was that hilarious.
Didnt Joe once try and open up a youtube channel?? And then it failed horribly??
DeleteLong is a hoaxer. His book is a hoax.
DeleteBob H hoaxed after the fact. H is for Hoaxer.
It's funny how no skeptard has ever read Christopher Murphy's book. That books doesn't exist to them.
mmg sr. fake AC, & fake joe are all the same weirdo
ReplyDeleteball boy
You don't pay attention much, do you?
ReplyDeleteOhhh man kinda feel sorry for joe. Wow. Haven't seen a pwning like this since the credits rolled on the sykes documentary.
ReplyDeleteThe Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project is being peer reviewed.
Delete^ Steven Streufert
DeleteAgain 84 comments, and mostly all of them are picking on Joe F. What a PATHETIC site this is turning out to be!
ReplyDeleteAnd what does this Video have to do with Big foots? Shawn?
Not to mention I think this wooly mammoth video was discussed already here - like 6 months ago.
DeleteShut yet trap, Yankee.
Delete"Show me the suit" they say, never occurs to them that maybe the suit was destroyed? Why hold on to the one sure fire piece of evidence that proves you a hoaxer?
ReplyDeleteThe film is far from conclusive. It doesn't prove a thing. All it does is verify the existence of Sasquatch to those already predisposed to the idea.
These people think its more likely that bigfoot is a real species than the possibility that a suit can be made to look like the pgf
DeleteJoe is just mad b/c the patty butt diaper got emptied in his face.
DeleteBig budgets have been devoted to replicating Patty and have failed. You are conveniently forgetting and ignoring that massive monolith of evidence. Big budgets already did your work for you, and flunked hard. They already did the work for you, which you dream of doing: try replicate Patty credibly.
DeleteWhen the BBC-backed Hackham flunked so violently with strutting orange stickman, that should have told you something about Patty and PGF. When Bob H flunked out in his replication attempt that should have told you something, since he is the skeptard's golden dream boy of boy-in-suit.
If he Bob H were Patty, his stop motion jerk dance montage would not be, well, a stop motion jerk dance montage.
^ Joe
DeleteHey joe! Ttl! Give monster x a listen the episode about kill or no kill to me it sounds like a lot of holes in the story but very interesting story another man who claims he's going to shoot a sasqwatch!! Also I'd like to here what u think sasqwatch is hybrid?????? Im saying it's a type of unknown ape for Shure and not any type of human or ancient human !!! What r your thoughts joe fitz???? TTL!!!
ReplyDeleteSory, Joe can't resond at the moment. He has his lips around my snitzer.
DeleteMMG
Come on u guys why don't u find someone else to play with there must be a blog for trolls or whatever it is u do! Just go away and leave Joe alone! This is getting old fast!
DeleteWhen Joe learns to treat people with respect, I'm sure the trolling will stop.
DeleteIf that is what he's doing I'll take it back I just don't read very much of the crap on here!
DeleteOh ya just thought I'd throw this out there!!! Sick of people saying these sasqwatch have no neck!! They have a neck it's just hard to see given there large shoulder and neck to shoulder muscles, and what really hides everything is there hair!! It's so thick up top and full?, gives the look of having no neck a good example would be taking a body builder and covering him with hair he'd look the same way! Sasqwatch can't go for a haircut just like any other (animal) !!! Hope this comes to a end in 2014!! TTL!
ReplyDeleteGawd is this all getting old.
ReplyDeleteIs it possible (Joe...et al) to NOT talk about the frickin' suit for 2 seconds. So much emphasis on it is such a waste.
Let's talk about today - or recent events.
This should Rock the world Walley has a sasqwatch body confirmed!!
ReplyDeleteIs there any truth behind this guy having a body??? Anyone now the back story on Walley and the body of a young sasqwatch ??????
ReplyDeleteYes ! This goes back to Justin's shot herd around the world lol, the story is that Walley collected the body after the kill and now Justin needs to prove himself buy killing another bf for himself to show the world, makes perfect sence given its all true??
ReplyDeleteBREAKING NEWS...........
ReplyDeleteJohn Jones Spoke and Corey Hawk Spoke have come forward stating that woolly mammoths practice sky burial. This is why we never find any recent remains. Sounds credible.
Why Anon 8:22 Your so fixated on John W. Jones Spoke? It seems by your many posts about him, that your are obsessed with him!
DeleteWhat's the matter? He stated his Native American beliefs, that deceased Big foots are tied to Pine trees, Where do you get Sky Burials? He never said that! Can't you read correctly? As this is not the first time, you got your information wrong about him. Smarten up Dummy!
Tom Deer runner Spoken
Corey hawk jones and john w jones spoke are both chronic bigfoot sky burial hoaxers
DeleteShawn could u please start Puting Bigfoot videos on here I thought this was a bigfoot blog??????
ReplyDeleteIt was just confirmed! Joe F is ELVIS! End of that fucking stupid Steve story!
ReplyDeleteTTL. I would have to agree with your assessment on your 6 26 post.
ReplyDeleteChuck
Ttl ! Thanks chuck! I just don't understand we're people r getting half this crap they talk about and it's mostly cause they never seen a sasqwatch there just a animal ! A huge monster animal but there smart, in low number population , part ape, it would be like walking into the bush trying to find a bear that can think like a ape! Ttl u catch them when there hungry waiting for pray as long as u now were they stalk!
ReplyDeleteLame. This was done in fun, and proven to be fake a long time ago. It is CGI and taken from a documentary on prehistoric history.
ReplyDeleteIt seems there are a bunch of teenage kids on here now, to dumb to read these comments correctly. Their IQ is to low for this blog!
ReplyDeleteI think you mean "too dumb", "their IQ is too low for this blog".
Deletethis was proven a hoax years ago when it came out!
ReplyDeletereally? this is what classifies as news here?
what a bunch of half wits! sad to see it go this low :{
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ReplyDeleteThank you, I enjoyed reading those very much Mammoth Wheels
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