Bigfoot Odyssey's Researchers Report
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Bigfoot injured by a forest fire was taken away and hidden by the authorities, not even Robert Lindsay can top this story
This story was circulating the internet way back in 2004, or maybe as far back as 1999. Back when everybody was on 56k dial-up modems and a "Facebook" was just a regular book with directory listing of names and headshots. This story was so disturbing and so shocking that nobody believed it at the time. It was the Robert Lindsay " Bear Hunter: Two Bigfoots Shot and DNA Samples Taken " story of the time. And like Robert's Bear Hunter story , this witness didn't have a name. The only thing known about the witness is that this person was a government employee, anonymous of course. The author of the story was a science teacher named Thom Powell who believe it really happened and that the whole story was an elaborate cover-up. Powell said the anonymous government employee alerted the BFRO about a 7.5 feet long/tall burn victim with "multiple burns on hands, feet, legs and body; some 2nd and 3rd degree burns". Sadly, there was no DNA samples taken from
Hello mates !
ReplyDeleteanyone got Blevins onesie with topstone mask ?
didn't think so
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Joe
Anyone got bigfoot? Didn't think so.
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Bill
Yeah because they exist mr Bill. Go ahead and just try to recreate the PGF using 60s fabric sfx and your topstone mask . good luck boyo !
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Joe
Got bigfoot?
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Bill
There is in fact so much Bigfoot that we can extrapolate average height & weight ratios for a breeding population via the physical evidence they’ve left behind.
DeleteNo, no... the pleasure’s all mine.
There is in fact so much bigfoot that we have no irrefutable proof.
DeleteThere is proof that the physical evidence, good enough to have been peer reviewed... is impossible to hoax.
DeleteIf you can provide evidence to the contrary, crack on.
Scott Carpenter will be distraught his biggest fan doesn’t believe anymore.
DeleteGot bigfoot? Nope.
DeletePlease read above.
DeleteAnd you'd better let pareidolia know that its biggest fan boy has ditched it.
Joetomi has made the statement "I once even believed Patty to be fake." Do not be deceived - he can state that but there is no way to verify it and he knows it. He is just trying to appear objective and reasonable. He has always believed and like any religious fanatic feels anyone who doesn't believe as him is a fool.
DeleteHe has now taken the position that everyone should just leave them alone because in his mind there is ample evidence to prove they exist. Of course he doesn't want anyone searching for them because the more people search and can't come up with a body the less strong his argument becomes. He is more than happy to just keep the myth alive by offering explanations with subjective evidence. He may be satisfied it exists but until a body is produced the rest of the world will not. It's as simple as that.
Who are you talking to Rum? It’s very bizarre behaviour to assume you have an audience, are you aware of that? Did you finally go back and see what I left for you by any chance?
DeleteIf you hadn’t already noticed, for the past ten years I’ve beaten you about the brain regarding their existence rather well. The evidence is so solid that I know of no person on the planet; expert, scientist or amateur armchair sceptic, that can explain that evidence away. Given that very simple fact, I also realise that whatever us civilised humans touch we eventually turns to sh*te. Modern anthropology has shown this to be the case with the many tribes it has approached over the years.
And Rum, if you go back years on this very blog, you’ll find comments from me that maintain that they need to be respected and left alone. That will always be my opinion. If you want to play hypotheticals and compare them to recognised primates, then the plain and simple truth is you cannot find the body of something you are unable to track, that evades in groups and buries it’s dead... without the lengthy and adequately resources study to do so. It took three years to track the Billie Ape, and we are talking about a hominin that the best native trackers in the world have respect for.
So whilst your little safe space about a body might mean a little peace of mind when clinging to your paranormal Bigfoot pareidolia believe system... unfortunately if things were as paranormal as you want them to be then they wouldn’t leave the amount of physical evidence we can point to that makes people like me this confident.
Got pareidolia much?
Oh good God man I have no idea who you think you are talking to but I certainly don't believe in the paranormal Bigfoot style or otherwise. Sure, you may be able to go back years to find your stance that they need to be left alone but I challenge you to find where you ever expressed that the PGF was fake which you plainly stated.
DeleteFace the facts - the ONLY way the world will accept it's existence is proof of a body.
So Rum, I schooled you again. It's so easy to trounce dimwits like you who don't believe in paranormal sasquatches. That's how they avoid detection. If you can't prove otherwise then you got nothing. Got paranormal monkey suit?
DeleteI'll come back later and put you in your place again.
Iktomi
Huh?
Delete"It's so easy to trounce dimwits like you who DON'T believe in paranormal sasquatches.
So you DO believe in paranormal Sasquatches? Wow! Yes, you've certainly put me in my place again (someone who DOESN'T believe in inter-dimensional Bigfoots).
I see you're playing dumb again Rum. Do I have to explain it to you yet again?
DeleteHair follicle evidence has shown that sasquatches are able to cloak. That makes them paranormal. Sykes has demonstrated that the hairs have the ability to turn clear and appear invisible. So Rum, I have to school you again on the many known facts about sasquatch traits. Unless you can produce the cloaking monkey suit, you might as well sit back and let me tell you the facts about sasquatch.
Patterson said that the bigfoot disappeared in the trees after the film ran out. This proves that that they have cloaking ability. Many other eyewitnesses have discussed this ability to disappear from view in the trees. This points to their paranormal ability. Based on footprint evidence, Dr. Krantz also had calculations showing that sasquatches have the ability to not be seen. Let me spell it out for you Rum. That means that they are paranormal.
If you want to be schooled again, just let me know. Unless you can prove that sasquatches don't have paranormal abilities, they have paranormal abilities.
Why don't you get your Topstone caveman mask and get with Blevins and Hieronomous and make that monkey suit. Oh wait. You can't, because Patty was real.
Let me know if you want to go again Rum for another round of schooling.
-Iktomi
Huh?
DeleteSo your saying that Bigfoot is like the alien Predator? Eh - you do know that was a science fiction movie right? The only thing Sykes demonstrated was that the hairs all came from known animals. I quote:
"The scientists analyzed 30 hair samples. Sykes says they found that the samples were from a variety of animals — but nothing resembling an undiscovered primate. “Bears, and cows and horses, even a porcupine, a raccoon," he says, "quite a range of animals, but all known ones.”
How in the world can you prove they have a cloaking ability when you can't even prove they exist? So eyewitnesses say they have this ability to disappear from view in the TREES?
Gee, I know a lot of animals that can do that - LOL.
Oh yes please- do school me some more. You just dig yourself a little deeper each time you do. Monkey suit? Hell, I just waiting for you to just produce the monkey! I don't know who this Rum is but if he is under your skin this much I like him. Attention everyone - Joetomi has officially announced he is in the Bigfoot woo camp. Ha ha ha ha!
That might be the biggest meltdown I’ve read from you, Rummy Bear. When it gets to this point, take a break. It’s only a blog. Go get some fresh air.
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Iktomi if Bigfoot is real it is most certainly paranormal, not gigantopithecus or any other hominid. if it were the hunter Steve would have a bigfoot rug.“
So I guess the above comment with the time stamps before and after it that we’ve come to know from your bizarre talking to yourself (like this thread), was when you were in another personality so it doesn’t count?
(Cringe) and your can “challenge” me all you like (LOL), I don’t owe you to look for anything. You can take it or leave it, you believing that it not means next to nothing to me compared to being able to substantiate my stance regarding its authenticity. And whilst it would take a body to convince the majority of people who know nothing about this subject... the fact why nearly every scientist (not to mention those who aren’t obsessed with the paranormal side of Bigfoot) end up convinced there is something to this subject is because the current weight of evidence is more than ample to achieve that.
So in short Rum, you either know nothing of the subject apart from pop culture, too stupid To understand the science behind the evidence... or that obsessed you NEED the evidence not to exist.
It appears you fit in the latter when you’re in the mood to “get even” for those years you were bullied.
Oh and Rummy... If Sykes’ study had been about house cats living in the wild, but none of the test results matched that of a domesticated cat, would that mean no house cats live in the wild? The only known researchers who submitted samples were Dan Shirley, Marcel Cagey, JustinSmeja and Derek Randles. The BFRO did not provide any of the North American samples. 30 hair samples as a fair reflection on the 80 years physical evidence has been catalogued does not add up, let alone the thousands of years of anthropological data and three databases of modern eyewitness reports. And even Sykes himself declared that the study by no means debunked the subject.
DeleteMight I add that Sykes did test a hair sample that came back as a match to a feral human from Central Asia?
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DeleteI'm not sure what's more amusing. The fact that you think I'm this "Rum" person or the fact you think a Bigfoot can cloak itself.
Delete"the fact why nearly every scientist (not to mention those who aren’t obsessed with the paranormal side of Bigfoot) end up convinced there is something to this subject is because the current weight of evidence is more than ample to achieve that."
Nearly EVERY scientist eh? Wow - I had no idea. Gee, there must be thousands and thousands of scientists in the US alone who have the credentials to comment on Bigfoot and we strangely haven't heard from them. Apparently the one's who write books and attend Bigfoot conventions and make money off it have any merit.
Every one of the hairs submitted were cherry picked for having the best chance among all those submitted. No one protested UNTIL they turned out to be known ANIMALS AND you were one of them! Remember the battle cry "Sykes is coming"? The "feral" human you refer to was a human being the same as you and me - not a Bigfoot creature.
LOL - keep writing. Your hole continues to get deeper. On second thought, that's probably a good place for you.
^ sleeps with his topstone mask on whilst repeating Randi's prayer "Oh amazing Randi, how great thou art. Bigfoot doesn't exist and my life is s much more better believing that . Please look after my stash of skeptical enquirer magazines i keep under my bed and protect them from mum throwing them out, amen" count sheep in your blevins onesie boyo !
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Oh look - it's Joetomi's sockpuppet. A personality he uses that appears even dumber than his own. Well I guess he needs something to back up his lame arguments - LOL!
DeleteAllow me to clarify for you Rummy Bear. Every modern scientist that has bothered to look into the subject’s evidence, ends up convinced there is something to this subject. That is fact. If you believe me to be wrong on that then please... source me a scientist who has dismissed this subject based on their analysis of that evidence.
DeleteYou will find scientists who dismiss the subject outright on the basis that there “is no evidence”, because they are ignorant of it, but not after they have been educated on the evidence.
And Rum... can you please inform me of the circumstances of each one of those hairs? You seem to know the details of how they were “cherry picked for having the best chance”, yet I know of no person ever to have this type of inside knowledge. Can you please elaborate how you know this? Let’s make sure you’re not making things up as you go along, eh? We wouldn’t want you to look silly now.
And Rum... Sykes most certainly came. After the DNA study he rallied researchers to provide more samples as he felt the study went no length to debunking anything. He also theorised that Zana might have been a relict sub-species of homo sapien that left Africa 100,000 year ago. And for the record regarding the feral human, that’s all we know at this point. Sykes declared he would need to do more testing on the sample, but if Bigfoot are human... and they most certainly are... then preliminary results of a wild human from the central Asia (cough, cough) where Zana came from... is pretty exciting stuff wouldn’t you think?
Ha ha ha!!
I can name 3 right off the top of my head. Darren Naish, Todd Disotell and Mark Wilson. In fact all 3 actually would like for Bigfoot to be real but dismiss it because of inconclusive evidence.
Deletehttps://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/story/news/local/2017/04/17/science-professor-explains-why-bigfoots-likely-not-real/100543942/
I know that out of a total of 57 samples sent in that 30 were selected for having the best chance of results. It was not up to Sykes to choose where and who the hairs were submitted from just that he asked for submissions. He mainly picked the ones that had the best chance of success.
Thinking that Zena was a relict sub-species is ONLY theorizing and there is nothing to conclude she was anything other than a poor human from Africa in an unfortunate situation. You seem to think Bigfoot are human. Say - can you cloak your hair?
Ok, Todd Disotell is amongst other things an amazing geneticist. But has only tested samples provided to him. He has not given any opinion based on the footprint evidence, footage and eyewitness reports. You were asked to provide based on the evidence.
DeleteMark Wilson provides not one explanation for how Bigfoot evidence is faked. To argue that Bigfoot is unscientific he uses a circular reasoning logical fallacy that evidence is fake because it is fake, to argue the case with no data. That’s simply embarrassing.
And to Darren Naish. His first argument regarding physical evidence is that professionals with academic backgrounds don’t find tracks, when in fact they have done pretty well. John Bindernagle used to work for the UN, and Jeff Meldrum is a leading academic in the field of evolutionary bipedalism; both have studied tracks in the field. That’s without the forestry workers and government employees who have sourced physical evidence. Out of the three track castings that are now peer reviewed in consistency with long-standing hominin studies, one of them was found by three government employees, as well as the fair fibre that was tested by Sykes that yielded a match for a feral human. His other argument is to bizarrely acknowledge the Bosburg tracks appear biological, and then claim that casts are too “clean” to be biological. What he doesn’t know is Bigfoot track casts mostly go through the process of being polished and cleaned up for presentation. Unfortunately for him there are examples of track castings that have biological detail in dermal ridges, which are clear forensic sign which has been verified by a list of forensic experts. He also claims to have cleared up the mid-tarsal break theory, but I suspect that this was before Meldrum had his work on the matter peer reviewed, because he has shown categorically that such a physical trait is consistent with known homo erectus trackways. And I’m pretty sure Naish hasn’t debunked 100 years of those studies by some of the best anthropologists ever. Apart from those two things, he typically assumes other things don’t exist.
So you appear to have responded to your own argument. “It was not up to Sykes to choose where and who the hairs were submitted from just that he asked for submissions”. Out of the apparent random manner in which samples were acquired how can you argue that these were the best that have to offer if you cannot vouch for the credibility of the fibres backgrounds and circumstances they were sourced? Am I to take the word of someone who spends half his time pretending to be someone else arguing with himself on that? I think I’ll pass on that one if you don’t mind.
Oh... and Sykes was theorising based on the descriptions of an entire community, and the act that their was ancient skull morphology in her son’s skull morphology. Skull morphology I might add, that is not found in negroid skulls from the 1800’s. Very basic stuff - if someone is meant to come from a particular part of the world then they yield a particular grouping of morphology that people have been aware of and studied for a very long time.
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DeleteDon't blame anyone else except for your fellow believers for the hair samples miserable failure. They were the ones sending in the samples after Sykes openly called for submissions. Now where is Sykes's paper that was supposedly coming concerning the Zena case? Kawit's skull could simple be a genetic abnormality so that proves nothing. Who examined and made the statement about the skull anyway? Was it peer reviewed? By the way, simple descriptions can be wildly inaccurate but of course you put great stock in them if it supports your belief.
DeleteIn the case of Mark Wilson;
to argue the case with no data. That’s simply embarrassing.
Sort of like someone claiming that Bigfoots can cloak by making their hair clear? LOL.
Actually, I’ve just managed to read extracts from Naish’s book Hunting Monsters on Google Books, where he addresses the midtarsal break and dermals. As I expected, none of these arguments are new, and nothing of his own research.
DeleteFirstly, he claims that the midtarsal break in Bigfoot tracks do not match those of known hominid trackways. Jeff Meldrum has written extensively about this in two pieces where any such suggestion is categorically put to bed;
https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/18/jse_18_1_meldrum.pdf
https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/30/jse_30_3_Meldrum.pdf
His next argument is that the midtarsal break is made in earth with flat-bottomed objects like fake feet. This goes against the many experiments that researchers have done with fake stompers to test their own sources of evidence to see if toe splaying (something he claims doesn’t exist in your link so he clearly hasn’t studied the most basic of casts), toe bending & gripping can be achieved in muddy uphill terrain; it is impossible. What’s more is we actually have footage of a Bigfoot (PGF) extending its toes which is impossible to accomplish with stompers, with the tracks it left being consistent with what we already know from homo erectus trackways. There is no method of getting a sequential print, with different planter pressure in a trackway of foot falls, that also bare archaic morphological detail that is accurate to evolutionary history via stompers. If there is, then please show me not one person on the planet can.
And his next case against footprints is again not his own; he referenced Crowley’s work on dermals. Crowley has never cited his fake dermals to be consistent with the Elk Wallow dermals. In fact, he referenced the Elk Wallow dermals as being inconsistent with his laboratory artefacts to try and argue inconsistency. But what he actually does is show that the dermals in the Elk Wallow are impossible to hoax, and especially since those dermals have a list of forensic experts backing them.
Well that was fun.
I have no animosity towards amateur researchers who are out in the wilderness every weekend chasing eyewitness reports and looking for physical sign. I in fact applaud such people as they’ve come up with some of the best evidence in recent decades. The truth is plenty of reliable hair fibres HAVE been successfully sequenced and have come back human - precisely what Bigfoot are. Now this might go against the strawman you like to set up when pretending Bigfoot isn’t real, but to tell people what Bigfoot is (a non-human primate) when you have claimed Bigfoot is paranormal isn’t really a solid basis for logical thinking, is it?
DeleteAnd Khwit’s skull cannot be the result of a mere genetic abnormality, and that cringed me out more than anything I’ve read today because you are now clearly trying to come across like you know what you’re talking about. You cannot get a collection of archaic traits by mere abnormality. You get a collection of archaic traits from genetic lineage. And one only need to recognise archaic traits such as very wide eye sockets, elevated brow ridge, pronounced occipital bone, bigger mass all-round, bigger teeth and bigger jaw bone, to know that these are not mere “simple descriptions”. They are in fact in front of your eyes. Go take a look. Let me know if you need any more help in comparing skull morphology.
No footprints are impossible to hoax. So many factors are involved that could taint the prints such as weather, time, interpretation, biased opinion etc. I would accept actual biological evidence over the opinion and findings of a man making money off the belief that what made them was Bigfoot any day.
DeleteNow about that cloaking thing..............?
If no footprints are impossible to to hoax, then please... you are welcome to demonstrate what nobody on the planet has managed so far. And in actual fact, things like weather are major factors in the case for footprints authenticity. How might you put toe gripping and different planter pressure in a fake stomper in muddy uphill terrain? And unfortunately “interpretation” goes out of the window when track casts show such impossible consistency that they are shown in examples found across continents, and before replica casts were in production and the majority of the general public even knew what midtarsal breaks were. And if scientists are investing hard work into progressing the field, which the likes of Meldrum has done rather well... then they deserve to be paid for their hard work. This is how scientists have got by since scientists were scientists.
DeleteCuriously you have no issue in adhering to the opinions of those like Naish who also make money off the back of the subject, when they have displayed a sheer lack of basic knowledge of key data and have shown that they have the poorest of research methods. In short... you have plugged the work of someone whose ideas and data aren’t even up to the scientific consistency of those you’re trying to argue are fraudulent. Don’t you think that’s a little ironic?
Ouch!
How about you show me another animal running around today officially recognized by science based on no BIOLOGICAL evidence what-so-ever? You seem to have a lot of faith in the conclusions of a select few yourself. Pity I haven't seen any peer review except for one biased journal which also espouses the paranormal. Oh wait - that's right - you also believe in that!
DeleteNow about that cloaking thing.......?
There isn’t. Hair fibres attributed to eyewitness reports of the hominin leaving them have been tested multiple times and have come back as human. These samples are also morphologically congruent across 12 samples, which rules out any miss-identification.
DeleteHow nice, they're human. Well that solves everything (rolls eyes).
DeleteNow about that cloaking thing.........?
" I also realise that whatever us civilised humans touch we eventually turns to sh*te."
ReplyDeleteWhat a deranged and bitter view of mankind oozing from this person just because he can't get proof of a Bigfoot. Haters gonna Hate I guess.
Only one of us is melting down to the point of having exchanges with themselves, ha ha ha!!
DeleteWrong again Hater.
DeleteAnd who do I hate exactly?
DeleteI think there is far more facts regarding misanthropy & Internet trolling than there is for anyone in the know enough to realise that civilisation eventually encroaches on everything that was once pristine?
"Only one of us is melting down to the point of having exchanges with themselves, ha ha ha!!"
DeleteYes, Joetomi would never do that. He just calls in his sock puppet "Joe" for reinforcement, ha ha ha.
“Joe” could be you for all I know. And I think the time stamps are pretty much proving that I’m unable to post both at the same time.
DeleteSomeone mention my name? PS thinks me and Iktomi are the same person much in line as like he believes Patty was a bloke with a robot monster ape suit and topstone caveman mask. sheer lunacy from a now pedo , can't even wrap my mind around it !
Deletehe fails on both accounts
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Joe
Got bigfoot? Didn't think so.
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Bill
You seem to be running out of ideas old Rum?
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