Are You Confused About Dermal Ridges?
Dermal ridges are difficult to hoax. You have to really know what you're doing to produce the finger-like impressions on a soil. Our from Mike B. has found footprints showing possible dermal ridges, and it's one of the most amazing finds we've seen in a while. Here's a quick tutorial on dermal ridges by Jimmy Chilcutt:
Here's Mike B.'s knucklewalker video if you haven't seen it:
You cannot hoax genuine, biological, forensic sign. You simply need to consult the experts.
ReplyDeleteGod bless America.
Ah but where you have gone wrong is stating that they are genuine. A rookie error i guess. No bigfoot footprint has ever lead to a bigfoot or biological evidence of a bigfoot. Thats a big problem for you and is why it results in your multiple meltdowns on an obscure blog as oppossed to discussing the biggest anthrological find in history in real scientific arenas.
DeleteCool. So we can expect a specimen any time now?
DeleteResearch does not start at specimen, and it is anti-scientific to suggest that forensic physical sign of an unclassified, bipedal primate, twice the size of normal human primates is worthless because you have an imperial agenda, a requirement of a safety net argument that the type specimen hasn't shown up. It is mere evidence that the debate is far more important to you than the truth on the current state of evidence. I have only gone on record to endorse the people who are far, far more qualified than you will ever be about dermals, and according to the people who count; the physical sign for such a creature exists.
DeleteIf something exists in physical reality, it leaves it's physical sign.
*impartial (imperial)
DeleteResearch does not start at a specimen but it certainly ends at one. So wheres the bigfoot?
DeleteNobody claims to have the end product... But considering the evidence is there, it might not be too far off.
DeleteYeah. Quit stalling. A specimen is long overdue.
DeleteWe all know how you can end the debate real fast. Otherwise it will go on forever.
DeleteBy definition a debate about something that dont exist will go on for ever.
DeleteA debate about something that actually exists usually doesnt last long.
Occams razor bigfoot dont exist.
Well said 327.
DeleteOh well that makes it very important now doesnt it? Ikjoemi,nobody gives a shit what you endorse and what you don't.Dermal ridges are not hard to hoax at all as a matter of fact,you can buy stompers with mid tarsal break and dermal ridges so until someone puts a bullet through the eyeball of the monkeyman it doesn't exist,until then none of this bullshit about prints matters.
Delete3:27... By definition, circular reasoning is not conducive to scientific debate;
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
... And is a major fallacy. Not that for one second am I claiming that you are capable of scientific debate. Hair = dermals = audio = footage = whole cultures spanning ten thousand years = tree whole database of contemporary reports = Occam's Razor.
3:33... It appears that you VERY much care what I endorse. You took the time to address it, did you not? To hoax convincing biological dermals, one would have to have a knowledge of primate dermals (that not many do), have a lottery win's chance of faking the same biological idea, and then fool multiple forensic experts. Stompers don't really cut it, none of your straw man arguments do... Your negative proof fallacy is not scientifically sound, is slightly embarrassng considering how much it's been pointed out to you, and the more I read your comments the more I draw the conclusion that I stoop quite low in responding to you.
Sorry.
And still no specimen.
DeleteIt bears little on the fact of whether they exist. This is a negative proof fallacy.
DeleteLearn.
End the debate. Time for a specimen.
DeleteAlso... Would you like to show me a source where I can buy stompers with mid tarsal breaks and dermals? You can buy replica casts, but wouldn't these have been identified within the casting archives? What's more, is that by the early 1980's, the castings that yield the most significant evidence were forensically verified. To the best of my knowledge, there were next to no replicas to be purchased at this time, and certainly none with dermal ridges.
Delete4:04... You can have a skull;
Deletehttp://sasquatchresearchers.org/forums/index.php?/topic/621-anthropologists-paper-on-the-lovelock-skull/
And no specimen.
DeleteIf you need anything explaining from the link, let me know.
DeleteWhen we have a specimen, let me know.
DeleteLol joe getting pwned as usual
DeleteYou'll be sure to know buddy. In the mean time, open that link. There's loads of cool stuff for a young lad like you to learn.
DeleteA specimen is all that matters and is long overdue. Darling.
DeleteIt matters about proving the existence of Sasquatch, a lack of specimen also lacks proof that Sasquatch exists though... And in the meantime you have the physical evidence of an unknown, bipedal primate to be reminded of.
DeleteAre you getting upset or something?
Not at all. Are you having a meltdown?
DeleteDo I read like I'm having one... I'm starting to get a little bored to be honest.
DeleteWhere are all the adults?
Yeah. Boring without a specimen. You can always say hi to your friends. That's fun.
DeleteAlternatively you can contribute to discussion and show that enthusiasm for a specimen showing up any time soon is not warranted based on the lack of physical evidence.
DeleteBut you'd need an ounce of intelligence for that.
Any time soon. Awesome!
DeleteFFS! This 4:57 really has a boner for you dude lol FFS!
DeleteFFS! History is not what we know FFS!
DeleteHey FFS!!!
Delete: )
You're calling for a specimen. I don't know any group besides the GCBRO crew actively hunting them. Some would say your government does. I've had one researcher a few years back who thought he could pull it off. You'd have to have the top people in the world, a sound exit strategy, and a place people could almost guarantee themselves close contact. It's complex, ethically challenging, and replete with danger and high probability of failure. Oh ye of many demands and little resources, let me know when you've assembled your hit squad.
DeleteBecause the only certainty of such a failed enterprise is that you'll never see one again.
DeleteClaerr's new book, "Sasquatch in Texas, the Track Record" details his study of the Subjects on my ranch and let's you know exactly what is going on with them. If you believe you could cull a specimen from this family clan, please extrapolate here. I'm literally "dying" to hear your plan. M
DeleteMike knows more than anyone that there is no bigfoot and that it is all a role playing game in which the participants, although knowingly pretend to believe, do not discuss it with fellow role players.
DeleteI found this picture of joe fit zgerald: He is so awesome!
Deletehttp://diylol.com/meme-generator/fat-nerd/memes/schoolin-bout-relic-hominids-copypaste-lol-im-so-good
Joe is getting smoked more often than Cheech and Chong's bong !
DeleteMike is interested in a plan - here is my two cents.
DeleteIf I was truly convinced that there was a family (or clan if you will) of Bigfoot regularly habituating my property or area. I would assemble a reliable hunter with tracking dogs (there must be hundreds down in Texas) and if money was no object have someone available with a small plane. Now remember - proof or body of a Bigfoot would bring you untold riches and fame - no need to dispute it because it absolutely would. I would wait until fresh tracks show up and immediately notify the hunter and pilot and spring the dogs into action. With the type of terrain down there the dogs would keep it on the run and sooner or later it would have to come out in the open where the pilot could keep it in his sight and radio the ground crew. At the very least you could get close pictures if the dogs had go pros and at the very best if one is so inclined you would have a body if you had someone along in the plane with a rifle. If money was not an issue you could have a helicopter with one of those nets they use to trap mountain goats and such. Believe me that if I actually believed they were regularly in that area I would FIND the money. The payout would be enormous.
The argument that dogs will not track them is a cop-out and just used as an excuse. Anyone can spin a story to justify any stance they take. If I TRULY believed they existed and TRULY believed they were in the area I would make this happen. It will take more than thrown stones in the darkness and plaster casts of footprints to convince me and the general public so they are going to have to do better than. I wish you success because I think such a discovery would be awesome but I remain skeptical on what is presented so far.
Anyway that is how I would approach it - I'm sure there will be many who disagree and they are welcome to their opinion but I think tracking dogs is a good start. It's worth a try don't you think?
Have to run - will check back later.
Dogs have been tried so, so many times. They don't want to persue Sasquatch. They're are three books by David Paulides with the participation of search & rescue personnel that testify to this. This is not excuses... There is also a published study that shows that an "unknown primate" has the ability to use vocal ranges both below and and above those frequencies of normal human primates. Have you ever seen how dogs react to ultrasound?
Delete7:00... As for playing the role of 'confident, contented sceptic'; played awfully. Nobody who needs to reinforce their belief system daily should have to persue such actions so often. As for the role of 'prized pratt'; Oscar winning performance my friend.
What published study?
DeleteManlike monsters on Trial.
DeleteOh, by study I thought you meant as in a scientific study.
DeleteIt's also 35 years old.
DeleteGot anything recent?
Lol iktomi dogs arent chasing because there is nothing there to chase. Idiot.
DeleteI'm sorry, but by the physical AND now audio evidence... There appears to be an unclassified bipedal primate roaming rave wilderness of the U.S.?
DeleteSlow learner aren't you?
Physical evidence being what? Faked footprints, known animal hair, elk lays?
DeleteIn college I was a bipedal primate roaming wild raves....but that's not the same thing, as for the airplane net-helicopter plan, ummmmm, please tell Johnny quest these aren't mountain goats. Nor mountain gorillas. Why don't you just go to a habituation type "feeding area" with a primate vet and shoot one full of ketamine. Abs then dart my a$$ as well, I've got one wild rave left in me.
Delete:).
Delete8:36... It's ok, I have patience for kids who are learning... Forensically verified physical sign of an unknown primate that is twice the size of normal human primates. There is also unknown primate hair that has been verified by multiple camps of primatologists, to have uniform morphology of an unknown primate, with one instance being linked to a sightings by government employees. Dr Sykes is currently looking at these hairs.
DeleteMike, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
Incorrect. There is no verified evidence. Gutted.
Deletehttp://woodape.org/index.php/about-bigfoot/articles/90-anatomy-and-dermatoglyphics-of-three-sasquatch-footprints
Delete... Don't be gutted, here's some!
Incorrect again joe.
DeleteHow about you prove it kid. This is boring.
DeleteWhich book of David Paulides talks about dogs not pursuing? I would like to read it. Of course writers like to include stories (true or not) if it furthers their agenda and the subject of the book. I have seen no National Geographic special or any other neutral source where dogs are used on a trail of a supposed Bigfoot which would give credence to dogs not pursuing. As for Bigfoot using ultrasound, that is sheer speculation as we have never examined one to see if it was possible. Why are you advocates so negative about using dogs?
DeleteIs it so ingrained in your belief system that you won't even give it an unbiased chance by someone who has the ability but no belief in their existence?
Mike, all I can say that if they truly exist, then you are sitting on a potential fortune. You and your cohorts can produce all the stories, tracks, pictures and audio tapes but it will do nothing to bolster the proof needed to convince the world at large. You see, it has all been done before. Yes it will bring you accolades from some Bigfoot enthusiasts but don't you want to be the man who makes history? You scoff at my idea but if you are satisfied with just entertaining those who ALREADY believe - well, you have that right. Time to think out of the box and if you do have these things habituating regularly in your area than I would spare no expense hunting them down. The reward would be unimaginable.
Good luck in any case.
It seems Mike would rather get his jollies hoaxing a tiny band of idiots.
DeleteThe books are called Missing 411 and have very real cases in them for you to reference to your heart's content. You really don't have to have been into this subject for very long to know how dogs react around Sasquatch, it's pretty much common knowledge.
DeleteSpeculation? Ok, put it like this... In the published study by the University of Wyoming, if Sasquatch are not making the infrasonic and ultrasonic sounds, then you are left with the uncomfortable requirement of letting us know what other unknown primate is making such sounds in the wilnderness of Northern California.
Who's negative about dogs? People like me who are ten steps ahead of you that are actually aware of the subject matter enough to know that they just don't work. If someone wants to give it a crack... Carry on brother!! I'm all for proving this topic. I require no mere belief system because I have evidence to be convinced by. Measuring by how passionate you are about using dogs (and not for the first time), which clearly amounts to your own level of belief system, why don't you go give it a try? Cut the middle man out and find out for yourself.
Hoaxing a "tiny band of idiots". Surely you jest. I've had David, John, Buddy, Lupe, Bigdog, MK, Tullos, in just the last 24 months. I invited Kelly and Stacy and Randy will be here next week. I've shared evidence with every "hoax buster" known to man. Knock it off with the hoax stuff. You really do know better. And if you think it's a " gold mine " then you have to understand that I'm trying to get footage. Same as others are right now. Noel for example. I also have hair I'm sending to Rhettman. Let's not portray me as a hoaxer. No hoaxer invites every researcher known to man down with their equipment. I can't discuss it with you if that's your true belief.
DeleteIf you really want to spend the money we could get the vets at Primarily Primates to assist in an attempted DNA Capture. I'll need Randy Harrington and someone to comp Stacy Brown's travel as he has a very good DNA capture setup. Look. Do you have my Email. If you truly have the funding. This probably could be done.
DeleteNo question this is a hoax. It is also a way to promote the blog. To be fair I have not seen Mike ask for money....yet.
DeleteMaybe hoax is the wrong term. This reminds me much more of adult real life role play,you know LARPers. Some just take it way too serious.
And for once I'm bring serious in the comments forum of BFE for no less. But I have to have a couple of guys with me that I know have the expertise to do this. I've spoken to Stacy Brown about it and Randy and a few others. It can be done. I'm taking DNA dart. Man I don't want to kill one. I'd prefer not to tranquilize one. But I could get SBJr close enough to do a dart capture. But you have to be serious. And you have to have money. Otherwise this is a lark
DeleteNevermind he asked for money.
DeleteI don't want money. None. But it will cost money to get the people and equipment here I need. No jokes. I'm dead serious.
DeleteI don't want a dollar off any of it. I've been offered 150k just to let a guy get a shot off at a live subject and I said no. Forget it. Email me if you want to talk. It's like talking sportscience at a kickball game with some of these knuckleheads here
Delete10:59... Never once have I read you develop a counter argument against the evidence. Do you think you're capable of that? I'm not so sure.
DeleteFair question... I expect an answer.
You scream for proof. You throw out childish names. The only reason I'm here now is two fold. I started here, and my stuff goes up here. I can post anywhere I choose. I simply am answering the guy's inquiry. Give the expenses to Stacy Brown and Randy Harrington. And let us execute the plan and we could, in all probability, get you a fresh DNA specimen.
Deleteanswer....there is no evidence to dispute.
Deletelong answer....because you are not interested in a counter argument. You are interested in winning. There is no true debate with you. And frankly I find most of your posts boring so I try not to interact with you.
Screw that. That's not me. In all probability. This is me. I guarantee you that if you gave me the month of October. With two guys and their equipment, we could do it. How's that for modesty. Now that I'm fired up, I'm headed to take Louis to Denver. He said something about a cool shop he wanted to show me. If you're serious uptop. Get ahold of me. This blog attracts all kinds. But in me, you have a person who can actually deliver.
DeleteTomi my brother. Have Joe call me. We have a lot to discuss. Sent him a 4 part email / video. M
DeleteMike more power to you. But I do not believe a word of any of it. You have been doing a slow burn on this for some time now. I do applaud you playing the long con. The mention of Stacy Brown Jr.s possible involvement seals the deal. This is well planned and executed.
DeleteAnd again more secret "evidence" shared between joe and mike. funny you mention Denver.
Delete11:10... No, no, no, no... That might wash over at the JREF, it doesn't around here ma boy. There is plenty of evidence to dispute and you prove me correct. From the false premise that there is no evidence, it is easier for you to exchange on the matter, so that you don't look stupid trying to explain it away. It stinks of capitulation on your part, you won't debate the subject matter, because it never ends well for you and your already shattered self esteem.
DeleteI am interested in you, I am interested to see if you can devise at least one decent argument against the evidence referenced in this comment section.
The only slow burn I'll do this week involves a jar simply labeled caviar. I wish you the best. Whatever you think of me, it doesn't change the fact that I can put a person right on top of a Sasquatch. How many other people can produce, not merely claim that. This Ain't SOHA not is it SOBER. My names Mike and you'll see one if we take a hike. It's just that simple. Carry on. And...cue the damn crickets.
Deleteso produce a picture or video since they seem to be so easy to find. please just one clear photo or video. no crickets here.
DeleteNo sh it. What a pile of BS. I can put a person right on a sasquatch, but cannot produce one iota of compelling evidence.
DeleteDo you think we are all retarded or something?
Hoax.
Texas Hillcountry Cryptozoological Society... Plenty of evidence there darling. Give this tab a rest and trot on over to that channel and see what's there.
DeleteIDIOTS,IDIOTS,IDIOTS, YOU DIMBULBS WILL "FAIL" YOU ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL!!! HAAAA HAAA HAAA HAA !
DeleteONLY I KNOW HOW ,,ME NOT YOU MEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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I WILL GIVE YOU A HINT!!
Delete#1 YOU MUST TRAVEL TO NAMIBIA??????
I KNOW YOU FOOLS KAHNT FIGURE OUT
DUH REST!!#
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AC
(Sigh)
DeleteWhat a loon.
Wow. You are demanding evidence that does exist. You know how many researchers' big books and video libraries and evidence drop boxes have clear video footage? Some. But they will not subject themselves to what you attempt to do to me here. I know of one person who researches here in Texas and a private person in Missouri who do. I've seen them. You would be amazed the chilling effect of constant derision. Look what it's done to some of the personakities here. Regardless., my sample is headed to Mullis and I'll have footage by the fall. With or without the help I could very much use. And so, again sir, I bid you good day. (Whistle Britches :))
DeleteAnd Joe, wherever you are. Come back to BFE. Cause im getting back to the woods. Much safer than the comments section here. You tell the trolls to don't let the door hit em where The Lord split em. Laters.
DeleteMore of the same ole ,same ole, I have been listening to this bull crap for 15years, IF YOU HAVE PROOF KOOL!!
DeleteIF YOU CAN'T BACK IT UP ,THEN SHUT THE FOCK UP! CH'ALL SHOULD HAVE
NEVER BROUGHT IT UP TO BEGIN WITH! UNLESS YOU "NEED" A. SLAP ON THE BACK AND A ATTABOY????
So whut up flock of seagull dude??
If this fool had ANY CLEAR VIDEO ,
DeleteIT would be up on this blog. ,in a new york second ,
CHICKINSHIT LIARS ,
Does anyone get the impression that this guy ^ is slightly unhinged?
DeleteGo check out Mike's channel, it's really not difficult to understand.
Reminds me of the guy on the corner who screams things out loud to the voices in his head. Poor chippy.
Delete~ Chick
Chick , this time next month,nothing will have changed .
DeleteDON'T CHA GET IT???
~Rooster , , CLUCK! CLUCK! : )))
Except the date, weather, moon phase, stock market, and peoples' trending interests. Other than that.....nada enchilada. I think I agree with Rooster. Same station, same playlist.
DeleteAnd 2:10 how dare you???? I'm. So upset I'm going to have to get some fresh air and cool down. I'll probably just "walk along the avenue, Aurora Borealis, shines right through, Aurora shines right through...." Flock Of Seagulls indeed sir. Now I'm very upset this week, the American Dream Dusty Rhodes has just passed and I'm going to need time to grieve. Please respect my privacy or I will likely have to use the atomic elbow. Yours In Coors...M
DeleteI would like nothing better than to try out the dog method lktomi. If I had the time and financial resources I would do just that simply for the experience. I would seek out the best tracker I could find and hire him on. We would immediately go to where fresh tracks have been reported and the game would be on.
DeleteMike, I would like nothing better than to visit your area and see for myself. It's not unprecedented as I actually went to the Carter Farm where they too told of habituation. That was a total sham and fiasco which unraveled fairly quickly when it was looked into. The problem is I haven't the time, nor the money to indulge myself to come down there and to be quite frank I'm still pretty dubious about this whole affair. Since expenses seem to be an issue for everyone, have you considered a Kickstarter campaign. I would gladly contribute to that and if you ask for a modest amount and not $355,000 like the disastrous Falcon Project I think you might be successful. But lets be honest - more casts of tracks (dermal ridges or not), hair or visual evidence is never going to prove it. If you go the tranquilizer route - well, now your talking. Even the most hard core of skeptics cannot dispute a body.
In any case I wish you success.
Good Morning Iktom. Forgive my long absence...very busy couple of weeks. Be assured I've still been reading BFE as time's allowed. No matter how busy I am, I can't give up ALL entertainment, you know?
ReplyDeleteHope you're well!
Hello my friend!!! Good to see you back and posting!! I really hope you are well!!!
DeleteDoing very well. Just busy.
DeleteAwe BigfootStudent! You have been missed, hope your 2 weeks off were for a fantastic vacation ;)
DeleteMorning all!!
~ Chick
Hey Chick!!
DeleteWell howdy Iktomi!
DeleteSo, this is as good a place as any to post this;
ReplyDeleteHere's a question.
Which popular BF podcast uses paid actors to take the part of people who have had "sightings"?
A past employee of the voice agency "Premier", claims to have worked on a specific podcast, and was paid $190 for the gig.
Before the show, according to him, he was given an extensive "character background" on the guy he was going to play.
Don't hang around throwing shade, this place is full of it. Spill it or your claim blends in with the rest of the troll accidents around here. I am preparing to be dazzled.
DeleteWell said sir.
DeleteI completely realize this place is full of bullshit, here's my two cents (I doubt you will be dazzled, mind you).
DeleteMy cousins partner is a voice over actor. He has done stuff in the past for radio shows, where he has acted the part of a "victim" in phone call, which was broadcast as a completely legitimate, and unstaged thing.
Specifically, he has worked on a thing for the DJ's called "Johnjay and Rich", where he played the part of a cheating husband/boyfriend, and his wife/girlfriend (another actor) "outs" his two-timing live on air.
So, my cousin knows I'm into BF and mentions that her partner has done work for a BF podcast.
Initially I thought he must be an enthusiast, and I hadn't realised, but then she told me he had taken part in a completely set up interview.
He has left the company he once worked for (around two years ago) and now works as a freelance contractor. He was contacted by one of the hosts, completely out of the blue, and was asked if he was interested in doing a job in which he would play the part of a witness to something that was, at the time, unspecified.
He said he was concerned that the job might be a little "dubious", but the guy who got in touch set his mind at rest and so he agreed to do it. Part of his contract included the stipulation that he signed an NDA, and as soon as he had done so he learned exactly what the job was all about.
He has no interest whatsoever in Sasquatch, but listened to a show when he knew he had got the job, and listened to a few more after he had recorded the one he appeared on.
My cousin told me that he found it funny that a number of other "witnesses" interviewed on the podcast said a couple of things that he was asked to specifically mention during the recording.
Firstly, before recording the presenter of the show asked him to say something along the lines of "I love your show", "This is a great show", "This is the best show out there", "You're doing God's work", or some such bullcrap.
Secondly, the witnesses on the episodes he heard all mentioned that they had seen BF but didn't tell anyone for "x" number of years.
This is exactly what the presenter suggested that he said too, before they recorded their phone conversation.
My cousins boyfriend thought that at least one other interviewee (in the episodes he listened to) was quite likely a stooge too.
I have no idea if this particular podcast employs voice actors on a regular basis, but there's only one that regularly has guests who say that kind of thing.
Even if most of the interviewees are legitimate, there has been at least one occasion when they most certainly were not.
Personally I like the show, although it's presenter/s seem just too gullible at times. Now I'm wondering whether it's all a set up.
I also find it really interesting that accusations have been flung around that the whole thing is little more than a money-making scheme.
Well, that's all I know.
AnonymousMonday, June 15, 2015 at 8:48:00 AM PDT
DeleteI completely realize this place is full of bullshit, here's my two cents (I doubt you will be dazzled, mind you).
My cousins partner is a voice over actor. He has done stuff in the past for radio shows, where he has acted the part of a "victim" in phone call, which was broadcast as a completely legitimate, and unstaged thing.
Specifically, he has worked on a thing for the DJ's called "Johnjay and Rich", where he played the part of a cheating husband/boyfriend, and his wife/girlfriend (another actor) "outs" his two-timing live on air.
So, my cousin knows I'm into BF and mentions that her partner has done work for a BF podcast.
Initially I thought he must be an enthusiast, and I hadn't realised, but then she told me he had taken part in a completely set up interview.
He has left the company he once worked for (around two years ago) and now works as a freelance contractor. He was contacted by one of the hosts, completely out of the blue, and was asked if he was interested in doing a job in which he would play the part of a witness to something that was, at the time, unspecified.
He said he was concerned that the job might be a little "dubious", but the guy who got in touch set his mind at rest and so he agreed to do it. Part of his contract included the stipulation that he signed an NDA, and as soon as he had done so he learned exactly what the job was all about.
He has no interest whatsoever in Sasquatch, but listened to a show when he knew he had got the job, and listened to a few more after he had recorded the one he appeared on.
My cousin told me that he found it funny that a number of other "witnesses" interviewed on the podcast said a couple of things that he was asked to specifically mention during the recording.
Firstly, before recording the presenter of the show asked him to say something along the lines of "I love your show", "This is a great show", "This is the best show out there", "You're doing God's work", or some such bullcrap.
Secondly, the witnesses on the episodes he heard all mentioned that they had seen BF but didn't tell anyone for "x" number of years.
This is exactly what the presenter suggested that he said too, before they recorded their phone conversation.
My cousins boyfriend thought that at least one other interviewee (in the episodes he listened to) was quite likely a stooge too.
I have no idea if this particular podcast employs voice actors on a regular basis, but there's only one that regularly has guests who say that kind of thing.
Even if most of the interviewees are legitimate, there has been at least one occasion when they most certainly were not.
Personally I like the show, although it's presenter/s seem just too gullible at times. Now I'm wondering whether it's all a set up.
I also find it really interesting that accusations have been flung around that the whole thing is little more than a money-making scheme.
Well, that's all I know.
Been trying to post my reply, but it's not appearing :/
DeleteDoes anyone know whether there's a word limit?
If you put too many spaces between your sentences, it can white out like up top. If you swear then that can do the same.
DeleteI'm looking forward to your post.
Thanks for the advice Iktomi. I guess I put too many paragraphs in the original post.
DeleteHere it is again=======================
I completely realize this place is full of bullshit, here's my two cents (I doubt you will be dazzled, mind you).
My cousins partner is a voice over actor. He has done stuff in the past for radio shows, where he has acted the part of a "victim" in phone call, which was broadcast as a completely legitimate, and unstaged thing.
Specifically, he has worked on a thing for the DJ's called "Johnjay and Rich", where he played the part of a cheating husband/boyfriend, and his wife/girlfriend (another actor) "outs" his two-timing live on air.
So, my cousin knows I'm into BF and mentions that her partner has done work for a BF podcast.
Initially I thought he must be an enthusiast, and I hadn't realised, but then she told me he had taken part in a completely set up interview.
He has left the company he once worked for (around two years ago) and now works as a freelance contractor. He was contacted by one of the hosts, completely out of the blue, and was asked if he was interested in doing a job in which he would play the part of a witness to something that was, at the time, unspecified.
He said he was concerned that the job might be a little "dubious", but the guy who got in touch set his mind at rest and so he agreed to do it. Part of his contract included the stipulation that he signed an NDA, and as soon as he had done so he learned exactly what the job was all about.
He has no interest whatsoever in Sasquatch, but listened to a show when he knew he had got the job, and listened to a few more after he had recorded the one he appeared on.
My cousin told me that he found it funny that a number of other "witnesses" interviewed on the podcast said a couple of things that he was asked to specifically mention during the recording.
Firstly, before recording the presenter of the show asked him to say something along the lines of "I love your show", "This is a great show", "This is the best show out there", "You're doing God's work", or some such bullcrap.
Secondly, the witnesses on the episodes he heard all mentioned that they had seen BF but didn't tell anyone for "x" number of years.
This is exactly what the presenter suggested that he said too, before they recorded their phone conversation.
My cousins boyfriend thought that at least one other interviewee (in the episodes he listened to) was quite likely a stooge too.
I have no idea if this particular podcast employs voice actors on a regular basis, but there's only one that regularly has guests who say that kind of thing.
Even if most of the interviewees are legitimate, there has been at least one occasion when they most certainly were not.
Personally I like the show, although it's presenter/s seem just too gullible at times. Now I'm wondering whether it's all a set up.
I also find it really interesting that accusations have been flung around that the whole thing is little more than a money-making scheme.
Well, that's all I know.
Show name? S.C.?
DeleteWas the actor the guy who peed on one?
DeleteLike I said, there's only one podcast that has guests who REGULARLY give it shining endorsements. These endorsements now seem to be a part of every show too!
DeleteI'd be screwed if I specifically mentioned names, and apart from that I REALLY don't want to get my cousins partner in the crap. Doubly so if he has signed a non disclosure agreement.
I hvae no idea to disbelieve what she says, though I have to admit that I was surprised that the particular host of this show had the wherewithal to write up an nda because he has always struck me as being a little bit stupid. Unkind I know, but true!
DeleteInteresting.
Deleteit's sc...it always has been how you say to good to be true. there is a reason jevning left and it wasn't the full moon bullshyt either..
DeleteThere has to be a reason as to why Jevning left. I would love to get to the bottom of that.
Deletehe must have caught wind that the fix was in. then waited for an out. such as the hoax claims against wes
DeleteHi, I'm the guy who posted the original comment.
DeleteJust to clarify, I have spoken to my cousin and she corrected something I posted. The name of the talent agency that her partner was represented by was
"one of the Premier talent agencies", rather than a talent agency called "Premier".
As far as her partner is concerned, he has no problem with me mentioning the event but is more worried about me mentioning names so I have to respect that.
Just a little more information, he is a Texan and said the presenter of the podcast said to him that his accent "wouldn't hurt". he took that to mean that the presenter was specifically after someone with that accent.
Moving onto William Jevning, I always thought that he was "too good to be true" also. I would like to hear more about why he left Sasquatch Chronicles, and I'd also like to hear more about why the female presenter left also (I apologize, but her name has slipped my mind). She is hardly ever spoken about.
Thats who I thought you were getting at.
DeleteThe mass exodus left S C and created their own blog/forum/radio show in retaliation. This is it: http://talkbigfoot.freeforums.net/
I haven't been on in quite a while but several times saw Jenving in the chatroom giving his side. He and Shannon left right quick when the accusations hit. Will says he talked to some of his inside regular witnesses and the group of sasquatch described by Wes and Woody were in another location that night doing something else. Blah blah moon fazes- blah blah weather and story inconsistencies blah. There is a thread with lots of details on the events at the site above if you want the down low from their angle. I believe Shannon has or is planning her own show as well as Will.
~ Chick
Lol! MMG called out SC months ago.Why are the morons on this site so slow and behind what's really going on in Bigfoot world??????
DeleteWTF are you blowing a gasket about 1:22? This story dropped 6 months ago and a huge number left off SC way back then. Nobody here is surprised about that. The poster above ALREADY KNOWS- he just doesn't have all the down and dirty. For goodness sake read the comments.
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Well said chick.
DeleteBottom line
ReplyDeleteDermal ridge patterns are acceptable evidence in a court of law. Science recognizes their uniqueness and validity. They put people away for murder with this kind of evidence
MMC
Bottom line.
DeleteThat does not mean there is an undiscovered species of apes.
You are absolutly correct
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7:27... Yes it does. It proves that there is a bipedal primate that is yet to be classified.
DeleteMMC... Sorry, I respectfully disagree in part with your 8:12 comment, brother.
Not even close iktomi. Meldrum himself even got smoked when he could not explain why 2 tracks from the trackway had different dermal ridges. Casting process artifact my deluded friend.
DeleteFolds, creases, artifacts, substrate, This is true
DeleteThat's alright iktomi. Human nature says that when the big guy is scientifically proven people will have too hard of a time admitting that what they are looking at is a relic hominid. Not to mention the scholarly university evolution types. People tend to look down on things that are different. It's nothing more than a different ape is what they will say
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8:31... This could quite simply by the result of a casting artefact in one foot fall, and a genuine biological impression in be next. I remember putting this to you about a year ago, I guess it didn't sink in.
DeleteMMC, I miss our chats brother, can't agree more!!
You are always fun to talk too and more fun watching you lay waiste to the more-than-willing skeptics. You got them waiting in line
DeleteMMC
Loooool^
DeleteHere we have joe saying dermals can be a casting artifact but not all of them are!
This kind of delusion is like when a footer says that owl sound was a bigfoot mimicing an owl.
Utter tripe.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/36334-suit-possibly-key-to-final-hoax-proof/page-5
DeleteHalf way down this page, a comparison of casting artefacts and biological dermals.
Well said and very true about Iktomi MMC! I am actually awaiting the hit squad roster to be released and the rave to start. Anyone seen potato head I found his angry eyes. He has gotten a little over the hill and his t a ter trap door is kind of loose these days.
Delete~ Chick
hmmm...another welcher. seems to be alot of that on this blog, how could any of you be trusted if you welch on a bet?
DeleteThe bet Daniel Campbell lost, you mean?
DeleteReally- where is the proof you have as your part of the deal? Like I told you before post it up or shut your pie hole. Biotch.
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For 11:41
Delete~ Chick
lol biotch that sent chills down my arm.the wife says that all the time when she gets a bit cranky lol...i was trolling you a bit.have not seen you in awhile...nice comeback now i know its you
DeleteWell then I will readjust all my feathers ; )
DeleteThere appears to be dermal evidence. There is no type sample to compare them to. Simply saying they are unknown primate is interesting but ultimately worthless. Using the argument that convictions can be centered on fingerprints in a court of law is a different kettle of fish. Human dermals are exhaustively documented and studied, and prints can be matched to physical individuals for identification. Declaring a defendant guilty on the basis of an unidentified print has no precedent, the argument has no substantial meaning. Dermal evidence is tantalizing but has not proven anything. Just because someone cannot conceive of how a hoax was achieved does not make for an argument of authenticity. There is no getting around the requirement of a type specimen.
DeleteQuestion... If Sasquatch didn't leave a biological impression in the soil that is primate in origin, but twice the size normal human primates, then what bipedal primate twice the size of normal human primates did? You don't classify Sasquatch by this physical sign, you prove there is an unknown bipedal primate.
DeleteYou must test science and if it can't be tested to support a premise of inauthenticity, then there is no reason to doubt the consistent science that has verified it. If things exist in physical reality, they leave their physical sign.
Nobody is trying to prove Sasquatch with no specimen.
"Human dermals are exhaustively documented and studied, and prints can be matched to physical individuals for identification."
DeletePrecisely, and not just human dermals too, but primate dermals. When you have biological impressions that have uniform morphology over samples (this then being repeatable evidence), States and decades apart... The prints can be matched to physical individuals that appear to yield what can be percieved by experts as species traits.
I wouldn't call it mere "interesting", it's a very valuable source of evidence to show people that researchers who search for this stuff are not searching in ignorance. Accompanied by other forms of evidence that points to the same phenomena (unknown primate), we get to use little principles like Occam's Razor on the cynics.
They are interesting to me. I'm not willing to state a case for sasquatch either way, however, I am not entirely convinced of the authenticity of any of the evidence, to be frank. Some of it looks very good. There are cases that are very intriguing, but I reserve a verdict until there is a confirmed physical specimen. For what it's worth, Mike Rugg has told me personally that he has his doubts, and he runs a bigfoot museum (I lived about a 150ft down the road at the time, and visited often). In regards to the supposed impossibility of hoaxing, let's remember our achievements as a species: splitting the atom. The Pyramids. Space exploration. Flight. Industrial agriculture. My point is that human ingenuity should not be underestimated, we are capable of great things, and great deceptions.
DeleteSir, I very much enjoy your comments. You appear to have a fascinating insight that I would very much enjoy reading more of... But I always go by what science can tell me and if many can come to the same conclusion and be convinced then I'll await for someone to show them otherwise. Suggesting that something could be hoaxed, no matter how improbable, does not test this science enough to show that me I need to turn my back on its authenticity.
DeleteVery much enjoyed that, I'll look out for your comments more regularly.
Thanks, I am enjoying the conversation also. In all fairness, I am not claiming that dermals are faked, but I'm not sold on them either. The tracks I find to be most compelling are the Grays Harbor prints documented by Heryford (not certain I'm spelling that correctly). There were a profusion of trackways, and half tracks. What I find impressive about them is the apparent plasticity of the foot that indicates shifting soft tissue. Position of the toes change, as do their shape according to pressure interacting with the substrate. For me, more than dermal ridges, this indicates a living foot. Am I convinced? No. But I'm absolutely fascinated. The bulk of the dermal ridge evidence comes from one source: Paul Freeman, who I'm sure many would agree was a dubious source. Setting aside the question of dermal ridges present on Freeman's castings, I remain more concerned with the morphology of the foot. In all honesty they do not conform to the characteristics of other tracks that are regarded as authentic, especially the toes. I find this suspicious. In essence, I am interested in how good the dermal evidence is if we set aside the Freeman samples entirely. It's worth pointing out that many of his peers thought him a fraud.
DeleteThanks, I am enjoying the conversation also. In all fairness, I am not claiming that dermals are faked, but I'm not sold on them either. The tracks I find to be most compelling are the Grays Harbor prints documented by Heryford (not certain I'm spelling that correctly). There were a profusion of trackways, and half tracks. What I find impressive about them is the apparent plasticity of the foot that indicates shifting soft tissue. Position of the toes change, as do their shape according to pressure interacting with the substrate. For me, more than dermal ridges, this indicates a living foot. Am I convinced? No. But I'm absolutely fascinated. The bulk of the dermal ridge evidence comes from one source: Paul Freeman, who I'm sure many would agree was a dubious source. Setting aside the question of dermal ridges present on Freeman's castings, I remain more concerned with the morphology of the foot. In all honesty they do not conform to the characteristics of other tracks that are regarded as authentic, especially the toes. I find this suspicious. In essence, I am interested in how good the dermal evidence is if we set aside the Freeman samples entirely. It's worth pointing out that many of his peers thought him a fraud.
DeletePardon me, I'm repeating myself!
DeleteA lot of Freeman's evidences are considered unknowns, he is no doubt some what of a controversial figure. I'm very much excited to see what Sykes determines of his hair samples, that of late were in the possession of Henner Feranbach.
DeleteI found some dermal ridges on my potato chips last night. They were salt and vinegar flavored ripples.
ReplyDeletePotatoes do not have feet but they have eyes ?
Potatoes can't see but they are commonly used for filming bigfoot.
Delete^^ what about Mr. Potato head ?
DeleteFunny you should mention that because there was a recent Mr Potato head sighting in my area. No video or plaster casts but the witness was a reputable farmer
DeleteWell unless you can provide the mr potato man suit then its the real deal!
DeleteI love to microwave potatoes in their jackets. Until they explode.
Delete8:34
DeleteAll you need for proof is the eyes, ears, hat, feet, mouth oh and his little politically incorrect pipe. It's been a while I hope I'm not forgetting anything
MMC
Black felt mustache and yellow glasses. Tongue.
DeleteSee
DeleteMr. Potato head is real. !!!!!
MMC
not only is mr Potato head real but he makes excellent fries !
DeleteDont you all get bored of destroying joes fantasies every day?
ReplyDeleteWho's Joe? It appears that "fantasy destroying" is a euphemism for "learning without moma finding out you're asking questions about Sasquatch and then making fun of you".
DeleteYou are Joe since you are the only person who seems to care what is said about him with the response "who's Joe?"
DeleteWho's Iktomi ?
He is Joe who has just been pawned again
Who's Joe?
DeleteWe don't need dermal ridges or DNA samples to prove it's you
DeletePawned royally again Joe !
Who's... ???????
Deletewho's Iktomi ????
DeleteClearhy he is suffering from asceticism (very severe denial )
Poor boy, kippered again
FFS! Science discovers a new species every now and then (some thought to be extinct), some literally under their noses...So there could be a relic hominid out there, yes that's right I said it! I will now return to trolling the site comments :) FFS!
ReplyDeleteDermal smermal, you can have plaster casts of footprints with these so-called dermal ridges stacked to the moon,but once and yet again it does not get us one bit closer to this species existence at all...........
ReplyDeleteWhat about the snipe ?
DeleteThey even know that it is part of the gnasser family.
MMC
So this is the same Mike Brookreson who posted pictures of trees on his Facebook and said there was a bigfoot up in them? Ha Ha!
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