Monday, May 14, 2012

Skeptic Norman Carlson Is Offering $10,000 For A Bigfoot Specimen


A specimen is undoubtedly worth more than a measly 10k-- which is what the guy is offering at The Post-Journal news website. There is one condition though: You must pay him $10 for each year you don't find him "scientifically certifiable remains of a previously unknown contemporary ape or human species". The author of the piece, Normal P. Carlton, got word that the recent Bigfoot conference was a huge success and he felt a little disappointed that there were no DNA evidence being presented. He compares the "fantasy fest" to the ghost hunting craze, which was "harmless but useless do-it-yourself Disneylike".

"No bones. No DNA. No scats. No convincing pictures despite all the automatic game cameras inexpensively available today. No real tracks. Not even a hair," he complained.

Read below from Post-Journal:

To the Readers' Forum:

The Big Foot conference was a huge success, I'm told. Hundreds of people came from all over. People had a good time. People spent money. People made money. People got to tell each other, "We know something those haughty scientists and rationality freaks don't."

My guess is that, like the ghost hunting craze, it was a harmless but useless do-it-yourself Disneylike fantasy fest. No bones. No DNA. No scats. No convincing pictures despite all the automatic game cameras inexpensively available today. No real tracks. Not even a hair. Just eye witness accounts, the worst possible kind of evidence but to the people there, extremely convincing. Ask a psychologist, a cognitive scientist, a lawyer, an artist, or a cop about eye witness evidence.

I'll bet there was little or no talk of what the big apes find to eat, where they find shelter, and even less of minimum sustainable breeding populations, necessary contiguous range, habitat destruction, and genetic bottlenecks.

I will pay anyone $10,000 who brings me any scientifically certifiable remains of a previously unknown contemporary ape or human species - you don't even have to prove it is local, much though I would prefer - if you will agree to pay me $10 each year you don't. And to sweeten the deal, I will even name a star after your mother for an additional $25, less than half what that vendor on the radio who does the same thing charges. I have just as much authority and legitimacy to do that as he does.

A Big Foot who resembles a man so strikingly would have to have a skeleton, including a skull, which resembles human examples. Police and hunters have a fairly good record of finding human murder victims' skeletons and skulls that are left in the woods. If there are Big Foots locally, certainly a breeding population would suffer a considerably larger number of deaths per unit time than the number of murder victims disposed of locally in the woods. So why doesn't anybody find their skulls? Maybe they bury their dead, one woman suggested to me. Oh, come to think of it, I maybe saw one at a farm auction last year bidding on a shovel. And maybe that guy I thought was a Neanderthal in my junior high study hall.

Norman P. Carlson

Busti

[via post-journal.com]

74 comments:

  1. Wow! He's right. Guess we should all go home now and never visit this or similar sites ever again.

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  2. Im gonna send this guy a turd and say it came from bigfoot...its worth a shot

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    1. Lolololololol!!!!

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    2. Thanks Blob. This is the only subject where a joke like that actually has a basis in reality...

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  3. He's crazy, I'm not giving up my Bigfoot specimen for less than $500K. It ain't easy jerkin' on that big feller and holdin' the cup at the same time. I must say though, he did seem to enjoy it.

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    1. Try showin him some photos of Patty with her bi ol' titties and he blow a lot faster.

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  4. $10,000 I hope he isn't planning on keeping it for that small price. I also named something after this guys mom its called the Alabama Hot Pocket (look it up). This guys is a biatch!

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  5. ‎---"I'll bet there was little or no talk of what the big apes find to eat, where they find shelter, and even less of minimum sustainable breeding populations, necessary contiguous range, habitat destruction, and genetic bottlenecks."-- All of those are valid criticisms of any conference.

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    1. "I'll bet..."? Very bad form for Norman to make that statement. He could have easily called an organizer or attendee for an overview. Not saying those items were discussed or not, but why assume they weren't?

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    2. Why do you sorry excuses always want somone ELSE to do all the work, and for a bloody pittance. $10,000 is an insult, not that we would take anything to you anyway. Your offer is as hollow as your head. Get out from behind your computer and go walking in the woods alone at night and make a few friends. You might learn something. Armchair critics are just full of cheap talk and empty of intestinal fortitude. Yes, you heard that right. Read it anyway you want, but you just got called out. Come back when you have something concrete to offer and have some real life experience of the nature of the wild lands of this country.

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    3. Anon 3:48,

      Why assume Bigfoot exists? There's ZERO hard evidence of an undiscovered North American Bi-ped roaming the forests, ZERO. If you can challenge that fact, PROVE IT.

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    4. Anon 2:45,

      Come back when YOU have something CONCRETE proving Sasquatch's existence. The burden of proof lies with believers, not skeptics, you have the whole "science" thing twisted.

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  6. Unrelated to the article somewhat, but i've only seen this question posted once ages ago, and as far as i recall it was kind of glossed over so i will ask it:

    With the population size (as a guess of course), is it possible that there would be inbreeding involved, and therefore wouldn't they get less intelligent as generations went by?

    And what on earth do BF eat to sustain their body size? How many calories would they have to consume to maintain their day to day activity? Gorillas are not exactly small, but i imagine if one were to find where they nest, they could clearly see a well lived-in area with vegetation pulled, branches leafless, etc. Perhaps this could be more of a sure-sign of what to look for when searching for BF?

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    1. All good points as to why no such creature exists.

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    2. Yuh huh, it does so exist. I seen one.

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    3. You saw one?

      Well you see thats a wild claim.

      And you see the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

      Dont worry your not the only one with the burden of proof on their shoulders. The thousands of other "witnesses" and thousands of enthusiasts hunting for the creature for decades. So dont worry your not alone.

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    4. Burden Of Proof just cant comprehend their vast intelligence and stealthy stalking skills which allow them to disappear, avoid camera traps, elude having their bones found, their shit collected, their afterbirth pulled from woven birthing centers, etc. I hate to admit it but there is no way a BF could be out there and we not have found it yet. no way.

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    5. There's a reason that great apes live in temperate lush rain forests and lowland areas, and not seasonal pine forests like the Pac NW.

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    6. @Burden of Proof
      Nuh uh, I don't have to prove anything. I seen him and that's all that matters. It was night time and he was only about 300 feet away and the moon was full, so I'm certain about what I seen.

      Oh and I think you made a little spelling error in your post as well. Shouldn't it be: 'you're not the only one with the burden of proof', not "your not the only one with the burden of proof". I figured I'd help you out there. Wouldn't want you to look stupid, when YOU'RE playing English teacher.

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    7. Because spelling matters on a comments section of a Bigfoot blog...lol

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    8. Yeah, but after 3:25's smarmy spelling lesson, I am having a good laugh over his own illiterate use of "I seen" instead of the proper "I saw".

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    9. To the OP of this Comment, I think Damian Bravo did a report on calorie requirements that I saw posted here.

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    10. you can't not take any comment seriously when they use a double negative

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    11. I have seen Bigfoot and played with his children. However due to my DNA study I am going to protect them and drop out of sight even though I weight 300 pounds.

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    12. Bears exist in most of the areas bigfoots have been reported. Many of them weigh 500 - 700 lbs. We know bears exist...

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  7. If he was a skeptic worth his salt he'd offer more than $10K.

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    1. Yeah and you can't believe those skeptics anyway. They're always making stuff up like Oh, Bigfoot doesn't exist and there's no such thing as ghosts or aliens. They are such liars.

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    2. Yep. You're not a true skeptic unless you have at least 2 million dollars to offer up to morons.

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    3. Yep, and your not a true skeptic unless you have time to post comments on a morons blog.

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  8. I will offer 1 million for a copy of Melbas paper-

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  9. Pretty y cut and dry criticisms. Now the ball is in the "researchers court". Well hell, its been in their court for 60 years now and NOTHING. I think 'Ol Norman P. Carlson is going to remain $10,000.00 richer for a VERY LONG TIME.

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  10. Sounds like Norman is jealous that he hasn't seen one.

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  11. It would be hilarious if a squatch hunted this guy down and beat the tar out of him.

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  12. I propose an alternate agreement, where no money changes hands.

    If bigfoot is never proven, things continue as-is.

    If someday it is proven to be real, the people who publicly ridicule witnesses must all make public apologies, admit they were wrong and were behaving like jerks about it, and then never involve themselves with the new field of legitimate sasquatch research/interaction, no matter how interesting it may be to them at that point.

    After decades of witnesses suffering their ridicule, it seems only fair, no?

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    1. I agree, wouldn't you four fittyone?

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    2. The witnesses shouldn't make up silly stories if they don't want to be ridiculed

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    3. There speaks the font of all knowledge. Manages to insult everyone who has seen one but thinks he is so smart without any evidence to support his claims about all those people. That is the arrogance of ignorance in full bloom. Let's call it what it is - cyber bullying. Such are usually cowards when confronted.

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  13. Every one assumes if a trophy hunter kills a bigfoot he is going to turn it over to science and publisize it. The person may be wealthy and not want to give up his trophy preferring instead just to have it mounted and displayed in his trophy room. Some hunters are very serious about getting thier kills mounted. It may have already happened in the past.

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    1. Or he's going to sell it and photos, etc for a lot more.

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  14. all 10k is gonna buy is a bunch of dead opposums wraped in a fur coat.......oh wait didn't someone already sell something like that.

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  15. If BF exists and we agree they eat deer, small animals, etc., why do they leave us alone? Why aren't there more reported attacks, surely they would have killed someone by now out of territorial spite?

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    1. I'm sure a Bigfoot "expert" will have some wild ideas about that

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    2. Why they leave us alone? Same reason we should leave them alone. Harming another person physically is a criminal offense anyway, they don't know the law but they know we're trouble.

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    3. Bigfoot is a very elusive species and they avoid human interaction at all cost. Except of course when they throw rocks at BFRO members, wave their arms at Justin Smeja, walk lazily away from Roger Patterson, or interact with the thousands of people who have "Class A" sightings. Other than that, they're very elusive, almost undetectable.

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    4. check out david paulides book on people gone missing in the national parks

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  16. So it doesn't look like the DNA paper is ever coming out. Is there any other efforts going on right now that will prove the species?

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    1. More blurry pics, distanced vids, fake sounds and reports. Same shit, different year. Ten years from now we still won't have found bigfoot, and there will still be naive morons who think its real.

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    2. And big troll idiots caring.

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  17. 10K is probably an easy haul on an overnight expedition with the BFRO.

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  18. $10,000? Seriously? Sorry, I just spit my beer out from laughing.

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  19. I bet if the BFRO actually found Bigfoot they would pay someone $10,000,000 to destroy it. Game would be over.

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    1. Do you think so? I would think this could only boost them. If and when Sasquatch is discovered, scientists would need people to go to for advice and help on a variety of issues.
      Scientists may need guides and or people who have equipment that scientists don't have readily available to them.
      Having said that, I would also think that scientists would select only the most serious of researchers, groups and/or individuals.

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    2. If sasquatch is discovered as a real living species, scientists would go to... wait for it... actual scientists for advice. There are professionals out there known as anthropologists, biologists, zoologists, etc... who study animals, including humans, apes, and human ancstestors and they are experts in those fields. If sasquatch were discovered, they'd immediately know more about the species on day one than any self-proclaimed "researcher" who thinks that going into the woods at night and knocking on trees is a scientific endeavor.

      Going to the BFRO or any other bigfoot acronym group would be like a medical doctor going to a meth dealer for advice on a new cough medicine.

      Bigfoot "researchers" are glorified campers, nothing more*, and suggesting that actual scientists would consult them for sasquatch advice? Please.

      *with a few exceptions of course, like Meldrum, SWP, and Bindernagel.

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    3. The best college professors are those who actually have been out in the "real world" experiencing the subject they teach. Generally speaking, the only thing that may seperate a "scientist" from a "researcher" is the piece of paper hanging on the wall. If sasquatch is discovered, it will take the "scientist" willing to swallow their ignorance and pride and go to the "campers" for consulting purposes with them.

      That is to say if they truly want to learn as much about the creature as possible. My opinion (I have three college degrees and I am now working on a Masters) the "scientists" will dim-wittedly stumble through the dark until they have no choice but to do something productive. The best example of this: State and Federal game biologists. They are generally clueless and end up having to "eat crow" repeatedly because they refuse to listen to the hunters who actually get out into the woods and study the game in their area. The great example of this is the wolf population out west, and the elk population in WV. For years hunters were reporting sightings of these animals to State and Federal Game Biologists who simply laughed and claimed "misidentification". Needless to say, Wolves are thriving out west, and the Southern region of WV has recently been declared an "Elk habitat zone".

      I find it amusing that many from the world of academia who are looked upon as the "experts" in certain fields are truly clueless. They read books, do research based on someone elses literature (who coincidentally read a book to write their paper)and then produce more literature about the same thing with their "spin" on it. The greatest problem with this system is they rarely do field work. (Except for the occasional survey or study conducted by one of their students for extra credit).

      That is the greatest problem with the Sasquatch phenomenon. The world of Academia refuses to leave their computer screen to do real research, and they ignorantly and arrogantly look down their snout and the workers out in the field and label them as unqualified to have an opinion or input. It is an endless cycle.

      Only until there is "beyond any reasonable doubt" proof offered up to the scientific community, they will never leave their computer desks to study this topic. Even then, they will do it unwillingly.

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    4. Excellent comment, Archer1!!! Articulate, intelligent and well-written!!

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    5. Hilarious how troll 451 mentions SWP in the same breath as Meldrum and Bindernagel. LOL

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    6. You're completely wrong, Archer, in almost every meaningful way. Yikes.

      The qualifying difference between a BFRO "researcher" and a field scientist (note that you're the one who for whatever reason equated field scientist with academian, which is a bizarre strawman) is that the field scientist understands the philosophy of science and the rigors of falsifiability, testing, and repeatability (not, as you claim, a "piece of paper", which by the way, if a degree is just a meaningless "piece of paper" why are you wasting your time on a 4th?).

      Are scientists wrong? Yes! All the time. But the great thing that separates actual scientists from pseudo-researchers is that true scientists actually test their hypotheses. Bigfoot researchers simply make excuses to fit whatever narrative they happen to be peddling at the time.

      But whatever, I'm sure you're right. If sasquatch is discovered, BFRO members' phones will be ringing off the hook from actual biologists wanting to know the best wood knocking techniques and how to differentiate between a bigfoot "vocalization" and a wolf howl. 0.o

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    7. Anon 7:47,

      Get your facts straight. You post misleading info. You try to persuade people to believe that Elk have remained in WV the entire time. That's not true at all. Elk in WV have long been gone since the WV settlement. What happened was a herd was introduced in Kentucky a decade ago and some have migrated during that timeframe into the Southern Coalfields of WV. The Elk management zones are "only a work in progress" at this point and thats only because strip mining has "created a great habitat for them now. Furthermore, this is ONLY being proposed due to the DNR acknowledgement of the Kentucky introduced herd a decade ago. Its NOT because some stealthy Elk have evaded human in WV for the entire time.

      What you posted is a perfect example of how people are so easily mislead by lack of research or "facts".

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    8. This is Anon 2:58 again. All I'm saying is the way you posted that response at 7:47 would have people believing that Elk have remained elusive over the course of years and years and years and that "scientists" have just shunned the thought of it. That's not what happened at all. It is believed known that these Elk are from the same herd introduced just a decade ago in Kentucky.

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    9. Say what you will about this blog, but here you get it all -- solid, interesting, and reasonably respectful arguments such as the comments in this "string", as well as a good laugh. Thanks, Shawn!

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    10. No Anonymous, you are wrong. My facts are straight. I am a retired Supervisor with the WV State Police and the Dept. of Natural Resources ABSOLUTELY refused to actually send their biologists into the field to check the numerous elk damage complaints that were being filed at our offices in Southern WV. We (That is the WVSP) had known since the early to mid 90's that the elk were back. They are from KY. KY started restocking their herd in the 80's and they eventually flourished enough to move into WV.

      Only until the Logan Banner Newpaper posted a color photo of a large bull elk and two cow elk, did the DNR decide to get off of their duff and investigate. The DNR had offended and degraded many decent people by telling them that they were "imagining" things, or that they were mistaking a deer for an elk. I have never stated that elk have always remained in WV. But, my point is this; if the Logan Banner had not posted this picture, the DNR would probably still be denying the existence of elk in Southern WV, and no research would be done.

      If you believe otherwise, you do not get out into the woods much.

      Who usually discovers a species thought to be nonexistent? Answer: Hunters, outsdoors, campers, etc. Only after repeatedly sightings and complaints that may span through several years will a "scientist" be forced to leave their desk, push away from the keyboard, and go find out what all the "paranoi" and misidentifications are about. About 99.9% of the time, they end up eating their words because of the "campers".

      Archer1

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    11. Guys, (or girls) do not misunderstand me when I am talking about the validity of scientific data. I realize the need for scientific study and testing. But, it is the attitude of "science is everything" that generally causes the desk jockey to refuse to see the forest for the trees. If someone claims to be a scientist, yet they refuse to listen to the people who are most famaliar with a given study location, they are arrogant and foolish. I realize that facts must be checked, studies, etc. but, a thorough investigator cannot enter into any study with a bias opinion.

      Archer1

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  20. Valid point. But i think they would actually draw the interest of more people wanting to go out into the field. I think it's a win-win for groups like BFRO.

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    1. Mommy here Ricky, time for bed school tomorrow.

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  22. I sold mine to some guys in black suits for a cool million and a place in the witness protection program.

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  23. Lol. Team Sylvanic has a businessman offering 2 million for a body, this guy and his 10gs needs to go away.

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  24. Putting a ''bounty'' out on another type of hominid....very classy!
    If he wants one he can do the crime himself.

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  25. Rick Dyer is the best researcher and an expert tracker.
    If anyone can bring the big guy in, it's him.

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    1. Rick you stupid fat lying shithead please stop posting anonymously with comments about yourself. Who the hell is fucking Rick Dyer anyway? A scientist, doctor, expert? Nahh, just another hoaxer like moneymaker.

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    2. It's Monkeymaker, if you please.

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  26. you guys give me plenty of material i must say..this web site is a comic goldmine

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